grokit
well-worn member
I had my hernia repaired at an outpatient surgical facility a year or two back, I can't find the figures now but the chance of getting an infection was supposedly much lower than if I had it done in a hospital.
Fuck you !!!
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lwien
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Another place to avoid is the public library as books get awfully nasty and carry everything in their pages that the last reader may have had.
library books are Dirtier then public rest rooms or most movie theaters or even paper money (three of the most germ carrying things or places most people come into contact with).
I put that in a very different category. I'm under the mindset that exposure to bacteria and stuff is a good thing over the long haul as it helps to strengthen ones immune system, much like what happens when you break down muscle tissue when you work out and you get stronger doing so.
But in hospitals, especially when you are cut open for one reason or another, or you are getting transfusions, or equipment is introduced to your internals, some of your bodies greatest defense mechanisms are bypassed and THAT is what scares the hell out of me.
t-dub
Vapor Sloth
That's great unless your immune system is impaired by things like poor health, medications, etc.
lwien
Well-Known Member
Yup. That does change the card game.
t-dub
Vapor Sloth
Hospitals are dangerous places that's why they call it "practicing" medicine. Too bad they "practice" on us. From NPR: A study in the current issue of the Journal of Patient Safety that says between 210,000 and 440,000 patients each year who go to the hospital for care suffer some type of preventable harm that contributes to their death.
That would make medical errors the third-leading cause of death in America, behind heart disease, which is the first, and cancer, which is second.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/201...ny-die-from-medical-mistakes-in-u-s-hospitals
Caligula
Maximus
library books are Dirtier then public rest rooms or most movie theaters or even paper money (three of the most germ carrying things or places most people come into contact with).
Basically everything is dirtier than public restrooms as they are some of the most frequently cleaned places on the planet. In fact it's been proven that your average toilet seat has less harmful bacteria than almost anything in your kitchen or office... including your sponges and plates (in fact I believe your average kitchen sponge is one of, if not THE dirtiest thing in your house).
Money of course is one of the dirtiest things on the planet.
As for library books:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/7722550/
lwien
Well-Known Member
While that may be true, I would much prefer making my sandwich on a kitchen counter top than a toilet seat.
Caligula
Maximus
That's fine as long as you know it's all in your head.
Just keep that in mind next time you use a sponge. The thing probably has 100s to 1000s of times more fecal matter than your toilet seat.
Http://www.foodandwine.com/articles/fyi-your-kitchen-is-probably-dirtier-than-a-toilet-seat
lwien
Well-Known Member
That's fine as long as you know it's all in your head.
So is eating any of these: http://edibug.wordpress.com/list-of-edible-insects/
but I say............fuck that !!!
RUDE BOY
Space is the Place
That's fine as long as you know it's all in your head.
Just keep that in mind next time you use a sponge. The thing probably has 100s to 1000s of times more fecal matter than your toilet seat.
Http://www.foodandwine.com/articles/fyi-your-kitchen-is-probably-dirtier-than-a-toilet-seat
Only sponge in use around here for years is for washing the car and nothing else.
Fuck You sponge's (not really because that'll fuck with people who make a living sponge diving and they never did nothin' to me)
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lwien
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I use the same fracking sponge for months on end to clean my kitchen counter tops. I figure that if I use anti-bacterial soap to clean with, it's gonna kill not only whatever germs on my counter tops but on the sponge as well. So far, I guess it's working being that I've never had food poisoning a day in my life and I haven't even had a cold in the past 10 years.
(fuck, I probably shouldn't have said that...........I need some fucking wood to knock on, like now.....)
Caligula
Maximus
People have been using sponges for way longer than anti-bacterial soap has been around (including yourself I'm sure). I think this speaks more to how much we are over-reacting than the awesomeness of new soaps. Regardless, the studies done on this are fairly new and take soap into account. Of course if you want to disinfect your sponge properly:
http://www.webmd.com/parenting/d2n-stopping-germs-12/kitchen-germs
The Germiest Kitchen Item?
Kitchen sponge:
This is probably the most germ-filled item in your house. It's used to sop up all kinds of germs and grime and then often stored under the sink -- a wet, dark place that's a perfect environment for bacteria to grow.
Experts point out that when you use a sponge throughout your kitchen -- wiping dishes, counters, or the sink -- you're just moving germs from one spot to another. While zapping the sponge in the microwave will get rid of some germs, it won't get rid of all of them. There are dead spots where the microwaves or heat doesn't reach, like cold spots in food, and germs survive there.
Washing a sponge in the dishwasher also isn't enough to kill germs unless you have an extremely high-heat germicide cycle. As an alternative, you can use paper towels or a clean cloth; be sure to use the cloth only once and then toss it in the laundry. If you do use sponges, you can soak them between cleanings in a solution of no more than 1 cup of bleach to 1 gallon of water, or vinegar and water. Soak them in the bleach solution for about 5 minutes or in the vinegar solution for 20 to 30 minutes. Rinse thoroughly and let air dry.
EveryDayAmnesiac
Well-Known Member
All this fucking germ talk has me wanting to resurrect an old thread about public restrooms doors... 
And I'm definitely throwing out this year's sponge a few months early!
And I'm definitely throwing out this year's sponge a few months early!
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5871224
fuck you propaganda!
and fuck paper towels... you cut down trees to wipe up your fucking mess! get a fucking rag!
fuck you propaganda!
and fuck paper towels... you cut down trees to wipe up your fucking mess! get a fucking rag!
Caligula
Maximus
You know there are lots of 100% recycled paper towels though, right?
http://www.nrdc.org/land/forests/gtissue.asp
Besides, while not always the best tool for the job, paper towels are at least lightyears more sanitary than reusable rags in most instances. Plus they are themselves recyclable in a lot of areas as well as being 100% biodegradable regardless. Hell, you can compost them if you want.
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rayski
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I used to microwave the kitchen sponge every morning and I don't know why I stopped. Says here it's effective: http://momsagainstcooties.com/want-...ess-out-of-your-home-zap-that-kitchen-sponge/ I think cellphones can get a little gerrmy. I haven't seen the reps at Verizon wipe anyone's phone, but why not?
Vicki
Herbal Alchemist
Like cleaning up cat hair balls.
Caligula
Maximus
So very true.
http://www.webmd.com/parenting/d2n-stopping-germs-12/kitchen-germs
The Germiest Kitchen Item?
Kitchen sponge:
This is probably the most germ-filled item in your house. It's used to sop up all kinds of germs and grime and then often stored under the sink -- a wet, dark place that's a perfect environment for bacteria to grow.
Experts point out that when you use a sponge throughout your kitchen -- wiping dishes, counters, or the sink -- you're just moving germs from one spot to another. While zapping the sponge in the microwave will get rid of some germs, it won't get rid of all of them. There are dead spots where the microwaves or heat doesn't reach, like cold spots in food, and germs survive there.
Washing a sponge in the dishwasher also isn't enough to kill germs unless you have an extremely high-heat germicide cycle. As an alternative, you can use paper towels or a clean cloth; be sure to use the cloth only once and then toss it in the laundry. If you do use sponges, you can soak them between cleanings in a solution of no more than 1 cup of bleach to 1 gallon of water, or vinegar and water. Soak them in the bleach solution for about 5 minutes or in the vinegar solution for 20 to 30 minutes. Rinse thoroughly and let air dry.
EveryDayAmnesiac
Well-Known Member
grokit
well-worn member
I wonder if native americans had that attitude when smallpox came to town
