Firewood Vaporizer

[paytonpenn]

Thinking of adding the F4 to my collection, its a split between this and a Ti GH. Both seem to have great customer service and both have decent stealth and good on-the-go use as well.
The aesthetic's are great in their own way for both too... so its a hard decision.

So the comparison is between F4 w/Cooling unit and Ti GH w/the Perf. front end, mostly for use at home (dry or water filtered) but w/some on-the-go thrown in there too, 1-2 users max.
If anyone has anything to add please do!

Its an old comparison of the 3 vs gH but here it is http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/firewood-vaporizer.9306/page-80#post-911956

Here is my newer video of the 4 vs gH vs MVT.

I think Hopper is a waste of time dry in comparison, the Firewood is great all around but doesn't milk like the Hopper. I'd highly recommend the Firewood over the Hopper. If you were dedicated to the Hopper I think the Fury 2 is a better option.

 

[Robob]

I watched all of your vids on the F4 and the comparisons already, thank you for doing those! Very helpful input

 

[moondog]

Why make life hard? Get them both!

Seriously, they are both great units. Each has it's own strengths. The FW can keep you cool, calm, and collected if (when?) your GH needs to go home to CO for a spa treatment. The GH kicks like a frikkin' mule and the FW gets the job done in its own high-class laid-back way. They're both easy to clean. Both ultra stealthy although you do need to be aware of the GH's LEDs, which are pretty bright and can draw attention in dark spaces. This is easily dealt with through strategic hand placement while using it.

The thing I have come to realize about both these units is that they are not the most fool-proof when sharing with friends who are not familiar with the units. For some reason, all my friends have trouble with the GH's timing and switching on/off routine. And the techniques for maintaining the correct draw speed and understanding the haptic feedback on the FW can be tricky at first blush. I wouldn't want to try to explain how to use either one at a concert, for instance. Lucky for me, all my concert-going friends have their own units (after seeing my first portable), so we're past the stage of passing back and forth. But a little "training session" in circumstances where your explanations can be heard would solve those issues, I'm sure.

I also have a Vapor Brothers unit and with that, the FW4, and the GH in my arsenal (along with a Magic Flight Orbiter and a whole lot of accessories from Ratchett), all of my vaping needs are fully met. No VAS here anymore.

So, if you can swing it, get 'em both! If not, I don't think you can go wrong either way. The major deciding factor, I think, would be your tolerance for the very real possibility that the cutting-edge tech in your Grasshopper will require the use of the lifetime warranty. For some people, it's too much stress to worry about. For others, like myself, it's not a real issue even though my SS unit has had to be sent back 5 times. I've got my FW and a backup GH to fill in the portable gaps and my trusty VB holding down the fort at home. I'm a lucky guy.

 

[Robob]

I definitely hear you on handing the unit to a friend and having them just be able to hit it with success.
It seems I have all the hard to share vapes haha If i hand my friends the Solo or FF 1/2 they always say eh I dont think i did it right. Compared to the VB desktop that will milk them into the next galaxy easily without finesse.

Perhaps both are truly needed...damn VAS

 

[paytonpenn]

I definitely hear you on handing the unit to a friend and having them just be able to hit it with success.
It seems I have all the hard to share vapes haha If i hand my friends the Solo or FF 1/2 they always say eh I dont think i did it right. Compared to the VB desktop that will milk them into the next galaxy easily without finesse.

Perhaps both are truly needed...damn VAS

Didn't do the Solo right? Its just inhale. They probably just weren't satisfied with the temp you chose or the lackluster hit it provides.

Firefly I wouldn't even waste their time with. Hopper is good if you wanted to share but I'd only share with water. Firewood I have shared and no one seemed bothered everyone caught on pretty quickly.

EDIT:

I currently don't use my Hoppers at all unless I want one specific thing, (milk, and even then the competition has really risen) dense vapor production. The Fury 2 I would not ignore, being this is the Firewood thread I wont go into detail but check out its thread. Highly recommend the Fury over the Hoppers if you're considering the Hopper that much.

Now the Firewood I still use at least once a week. I use it while driving and when watching things. I am not really a walk and vape person unless its a walk around my home. But the Firewood in my opinion is the most enjoyable pure convection vape to have a session with. And it doesn't need the cooling unit, unlike the Hopper which needs more than the PFE and session extender.

 

[Robob]

Yeah with the solo I think it was the draw resistance that messed them up, still it was more useful for group sessions than FF

 

[Mr. Me2]

Thinking of adding the F4 to my collection, its a split between this and a Ti GH. Both seem to have great customer service and both have decent stealth and good on-the-go use as well.
The aesthetic's are great in their own way for both too... so its a hard decision.

So the comparison is between F4 w/Cooling unit and Ti GH w/the Perf. front end, mostly for use at home (dry or water filtered) but w/some on-the-go thrown in there too, 1-2 users max.
If anyone has anything to add please do!

I think @JoeMama is one of the people to ask...

 

[JoeMama]

Thinking of adding the F4 to my collection, its a split between this and a Ti GH. Both seem to have great customer service and both have decent stealth and good on-the-go use as well.
The aesthetic's are great in their own way for both too... so its a hard decision.

So the comparison is between F4 w/Cooling unit and Ti GH w/the Perf. front end, mostly for use at home (dry or water filtered) but w/some on-the-go thrown in there too, 1-2 users max.
If anyone has anything to add please do!

Howdy, @Mr. Me2 . Methinks I have been summoned for my humble opinion.

Robob, I do have the FW4 and my Ti GH's. I still use both, where the FW4 is my night-time favorite. I liken it to smoking a pipe in the evening, sans the smoking jacket.

It's reliable and consistent, though it is a totally different technique than using the GH. They both deliver a punch, but the FW4 is more like a punch with a velvet glove.

Go for it.

 

[moondog]

Robob, I do have the FW4 and my Ti GH's. I still use both, where the FW4 is my night-time favorite. I liken it to smoking a pipe in the evening, sans the smoking jacket.

Yes! I too have come to depend on my FW4 for my pre-bed-time ritual.

...the FW4 is more like a punch with a velvet glove.

Ah, Joe. Yer a poet, ye are.

 

[JoeMama]

Yes! I too have come to depend on my FW4 for my pre-bed-time ritual.



Ah, Joe. Yer a poet, ye are.

MOOOOOON!

 

[FatOldEnt]

A couple of questions for you guys.

A) I'm a fan of the cooling unit but mine has a ton of reclaim in it. Any suggestions on how to clean it without damaging the wood? It's so purty I don't want to hurt it.

2) I bought a Sai kit from Humboldt Vape Tech and it came with a HydroTube glass bubbler. Does anyone know what kind of adapter would allow me to use it with my FW4?

D) Anyone know the heat rating for the silicone mouthpiece? I typically have 3 to 4 strains on hand and would like to have different colored silicone capsules to differentiate between strains.

 

[Hjalmark]

D) Anyone know the heat rating for the silicone mouthpiece? I typically have 3 to 4 strains on hand and would like to have different colored silicone capsules to differentiate between strains.

No idea about the heat rating but that is a brilliant idea!

 

[CharmCityVapeGuy]

I have the Tubo and FW3(very similar, but apparently not quite as powerful or fast as the fw4 to vapor, from what i read on here)

Thanks! This is not an easy comparison and you seem to have homed in on the basic differences already (ie their respective strengths ) but i will see if i can add anything.

Vapor quality. Difficult. Both are great. Both produce similar type of vapor which i describe as 'nano like'. That is, more uplifting type of vapor.
the tubo with it's wide open airpath has virtually no restriction and because of the evic, has total control on temperature AND volume of vapor. That is, if you draw harder, it instantly compensates and so keeps pumping out vapor and lots of it. Very hard to overwhelm the heater.
the FW has a much more restricted airpath so has draw restriction. This is part of the design, so as long as you keep 'within spec' you will get quality vapor, but not as much per draw. I have no problems getting awesome clouds (and effects) though.

Harshness- I'd say the FW tends to be harsher, especially at higher temps. That short vapor path has it's limits, although the Fw mates with 14mm water connection AND 510 ecig mouthpieces right out of the box, so extending the path is easy.
Tubo, i bought an 18-14 wpa from them with my purchase so it also mates with water.
I haven't tried tubo with the short stem though. Only the bent stem and via a hydro tube.

Ease of use-depends on the situation, but both are easy And I have used both when vaping with beginners.
Fw is for me top dog portable. Sleek design fits in the pocket like a phone and no lights and haptic feedback means it just seems like you are getting a few texts if anyone notices the sounds.
it's also a completely self contained unit. Load the capsule and put it in your pocket. Good to go. No extra parts, stems etc to think about (unless you take a 510 ecig mouthpiece, which i often do, but this is optional-and tha fw4 has an extra mouthpiece integrated to extend the path)
Easy to use-once turned on (hold button, then 1-4 presses to set temp) everything is automatic with the draw sensor. You can get extra capsules for easy swapping, but i find refilling on the go pretty simple too.

Tubo has a seperate stem system. Very easy, but seperate components to carry as you couldn't leave them in on the go (safely ), however you can use 2 different spots in the stem for different size loads (and effects?), and both are designed to use a second screen to hold the load, so material doesn't fall out.
I Wouldn't use tubo as a portable out of the house. Too big and odd shape and seperate parts, but it can be. I didn't buy it for this purpose, though, so have never tried.
easy to use. Set temp. Press button. Draw. No technique required. Probably even easier in cruise mode (haven't bothered to try cruise yet...)

I could go on, but have already written an essay, so will stop...soon

You can't go wrong with either, but if I had to choose, for me it would be the firewood as the effects produced are just perfect for me (I am firmly in the camp of 'vape signature' compatibility being a very big part of why some people love vapes that others find meh) although the tubo is no slouch here either.

I think how you intend to use it should be the deciding factor.

I hope i have helped, but i probably haven't really... Good luck.

This is great info. I actually have a FW4 on the way and a Tubo Evic on order. I just couldn’t decide. I figure I’ll give them both a try and then sell one, if I can bring myself to and my wife doesn’t kill me for going way over budget.

 

[almost there]

This is great info. I actually have a FW4 on the way and a Tubo Evic on order. I just couldn’t decide. I figure I’ll give them both a try and then sell one, if I can bring myself to and my wife doesn’t kill me for going way over budget.

Don't worry with a little bit of training it'll become the norm for her

 

[CharmCityVapeGuy]

I’ve been enjoying experimenting with my FW4 and one of my issues was that the vapor was a bit hot so I ordered the cooling unit. It just came last night and I was excited to try it out. I was really disappointed though. The vapor was a little cooler but the mouthpiece itself was ridiculously hot. It was burning my lips. What am I doing wrong?

 

[hippogriff]

I’ve been enjoying experimenting with my FW4 and one of my issues was that the vapor was a bit hot so I ordered the cooling unit. It just came last night and I was excited to try it out. I was really disappointed though. The vapor was a little cooler but the mouthpiece itself was ridiculously hot. It was burning my lips. What am I doing wrong?

Huh, what temps are you running? How full are your capsules? How long are your sessions? How hot is the FW itself?

Glass getting hot is just a function of heat over time. It’s likely you’re running hotter than necessary (I use Temp 1 90% of the time) with a technique (eg overfull capsule or drawing too soon or too fast) that exposes the glass to more heat than average. Or you’re vaping bubble hash on Temp 4, I dunno - what’s your use?

 

[CharmCityVapeGuy]

Huh, what temps are you running? How full are your capsules? How long are your sessions? How hot is the FW itself?

Glass getting hot is just a function of heat over time. It’s likely you’re running hotter than necessary (I use Temp 1 90% of the time) with a technique (eg overfull capsule or drawing too soon or too fast) that exposes the glass to more heat than average. Or you’re vaping bubble hash on Temp 4, I dunno - what’s your use?

I was on 3. Maybe that was too high. It wasn’t fully packed. I used the vacuum method and didn’t ramp it down. I tried different draw speeds. It just seemed more comfortable without the CU.

 

[Pussyholeyute]

Does anyone have any good thoughts on the cooling unit. I just got a fw4 and wondered how worth it , it would be

 

[paytonpenn]

Does anyone have any good thoughts on the cooling unit. I just got a fw4 and wondered how worth it , it would be

I honestly don't use the cooling unit for cooling purposes but use it to help restrict airflow for consistently better hits.

I don't think its needed for non harsh hits but it is so much more pleasurable producing hits with the cu on.

 

[Pussyholeyute]

I honestly don't use the cooling unit for cooling purposes but use it to help restrict airflow for consistently better hits.

I don't think its needed for non harsh hits but it is so much more pleasurable producing hits with the cu on.

That makes sense. I might have to get one then

 

[CharmCityVapeGuy]

Does anyone have any good thoughts on the cooling unit. I just got a fw4 and wondered how worth it , it would be

So after an adjustment period I am enjoying the CU. I just know when it starts to heat up I’m pulling too hard.

 

[Vapsinthe]

Anyone notice the announcement for the Firewood 5? Is there any other information out there or is everything still under wraps?

 

[moondog]

Anyone notice the announcement for the Firewood 5? Is there any other information out there or is everything still under wraps?

As it happens, my brother just corresponded with Marc yesterday looking to buy a FW4 on my recommendation. Like it says on the website, Marc told him the plan was for the FW5 to come out in the spring and that FW4 production was being curtailed to allow Marc to concentrate on the launch of the 5.

Looking at the website, it appears that the improvements will be mostly around the vapor path. (Side note: the FW evolution slideshow is pretty cool.)

As a childhood fan (OK, yes, and still a fan as an adult) of Gerry Anderson (Fireball XL5) and Speed Racer (Mach 5), I may have to get a FW5 just on principle.

 

[paytonpenn]

I'm thinking we might get back to manual. True on demand and instant heat up? We already have instant heat up true on demand style sounds more manual oriented.

 

[Cheesequake]

I'm thinking we might get back to manual. True on demand and instant heat up? We already have instant heat up true on demand style sounds more manual oriented.

I sure hope so. I was never a big fan of the draw activation.