Fiberglass found in Angus Enhanced

[Agent_KushmanX]

Hey everyone figured I'd share this information i found on reddit over here PSA: The Angus Enhanced -> Inhaling Glass Fibers is NOT "Enhanced". Basically a guy did a break down of an AE and found lots of loose fiberglass contaminating the air path, not safe to use imo.

 

[dukes00]

Hey everyone figured I'd share this information i found on reddit over here PSA: The Angus Enhanced -> Inhaling Glass Fibers is NOT "Enhanced". Basically a guy did a break down of an AE and found lots of loose fiberglass contaminating the air path, not safe to use imo.

There’s another post on r/vaporents about this. Apparently that’s not true, the guy in the NZ post literally broke it apart and normally the fiberglass is completely sealed. Some YLLvape rep said they’re working on contacting retailers to issue a replacement for the first batch of the product anyway because in later issues the sealing is improved.
Link to the post

 

[WeedHunter]

If I understood Mike YLL's answer correctly, fiberglass was only used in the first revision of the AE. The newer AE models do not use fiberglass!

 

[zeebudz]

If I understood Mike YLL's answer correctly, fiberglass was only used in the first revision of the AE. The newer AE models do not use fiberglass!

Was there an explanation of why fiberglass was used in the first place and why it was apparently never part of any testing and why it took a third party tear down to reveal this potentially serious problem for everyone using the earlier model rather than a proactive recall?

Sounds more like "oopsie but we fixed it".

 

[spearmint]

Hey everyone figured I'd share this information i found on reddit over here PSA: The Angus Enhanced -> Inhaling Glass Fibers is NOT "Enhanced". Basically a guy did a break down of an AE and found lots of loose fiberglass contaminating the air path, not safe to use imo.

I struggle with seeing how this fault isn't caused by them literally ripping the device apart and probably causing a dust cloud. The airpath is normally sealed.

The amount of contamination shown in that photo would be evident to anyone who uses their eyes while cleaning.

 

[zeebudz]

I struggle with seeing how this fault isn't caused by them literally ripping the device apart and probably causing a dust cloud. The airpath is normally sealed.

The amount of contamination shown in that photo would be evident to anyone who uses their eyes while cleaning.

Doesn't explain why packing materials were included in the CE safety testing but not some of the actual materials used in the vape...

 

[spearmint]

Not saying it does. I'm just really doubting that any of this material is actually at risk of entering the air path.

 

[Moody]

If I had this vape, I would not use based on what I've seen on Reddit and what the facts are regarding the mat sheet, what is actually in the vape, and what was found in the vape. Obviously everyone has their own opinion. However, there are enough facts to pretty easily determine (at least for myself) that I would discontinue use until it was swapped out by the manufacturer. And even then, I wouldn't keep it. Life is too short to risk your health. I wouldn't and won't buy anything they ever manfufacture. I know bad mouthing companies is frowned upon, but in this case it seems justified based on evidence and the current facts.

It is sad this happens. But when it does, I'm not about to forgive someone that lied to me about product materials and it's safety. If it is safe and fine then why wasn't the glass mesh in the materials list? Why was the materials list mislabeled? Seems shady and dangerous to me. No thanks.

 

[oddjobold]

Everyone. Finally a Cure!

I found out how to cure VAS. I will definitely no longer have VAS for any YLL vapes.

 

[TigoleBitties]

Yeah, this news is alarming and disappointing. Can we get any clarification from a rep? Anyone email mike@yllvape.com about this yet?

 

[oddjobold]

I don't do huge lumps of black plastic. Shame.

Or fiberglass.

Has anyone had to lay that shit in a attic (or loft as we would say in the UK). You itch for days. Your itch has an itch.

Not recommended for lungs.

 

[leanpubpackage]

This right here helps justify the FC community’s over caution and skepticism over materials from new makers.

I now have trust issues.

Going to stick to reputable makers until I know exactly whats in the components of each new vape I am buying.

What a nightmare. Sorry for all those early adopters. Hope you are in good health!

 

[Razhumikin]

Wasnt there a whole thing on here about their CE mark being a fake? Seems lile it shouldve been a sign...

 

[dukes00]

Wasnt there a whole thing on here about their CE mark being a fake? Seems lile it shouldve been a sign...

Isn’t that an urban legend? I mean the whole “letters slight closer = China Export” or whatever. I’ll wait on an official response (if anything like that happens) from YLLvape before throwing mine out. For now it seems more in the “could possibly be a risk if something breaks” territory, there’s no way anyone could use the device and not notice the fibers even with a cursory look at the mouthpiece. Also the first batch comment from u/yllvape is kinda unclear to me. They talk about insulating the air path more in later batches and “removing that part”, what does that mean exactly?

 

[priapuus]

This right here helps justify the FC community’s over caution and skepticism over materials from new makers.

I now have trust issues.

Going to stick to reputable makers until I know exactly whats in the components of each new vape I am buying.

What a nightmare. Sorry for all those early adopters. Hope you are in good health!

“While caution is understandable, it’s worth noting that the FC community has a long history of using vaporizers with components sourced from less-than-reputable origins. For years, we’ve inhaled vapor heated by cheap PIDs and coils from AliExpress, often paired with materials like titanium, stainless steel, corundum, zirconia, cubic zirconia, and even borosilicate balls and gem-cut pieces from unknown factories in unknown countries. This isn’t a new phenomenon.

It’s important to recognize that many of the materials and components we’ve used for years come from sources with little to no transparency. This isn’t to dismiss the concerns about new makers, but to highlight that we’ve been operating in a gray area for a long time. Perhaps instead of focusing solely on the risks with new makers, we could also push for better quality control and material transparency across the board—even from the older, more ‘established’ vendors we’ve been trusting. Consistency in our caution will benefit everyone.”

 

[chillAtGVC]

Yeah, this news is alarming and disappointing. Can we get any clarification from a rep? Anyone email mike@yllvape.com about this yet?

Yeah, I emailed him last night. Here is the response:

just saw this post.

I understand customer’s concern. For the first production units, I will talk to retailers and send them replacements.

For Angus Enhanced, the air path is fully isolated and that part is not in the air path. When disassemble the device, it could damage it and make it look messy.

If customers are concerned about it, we can replace for the new one.

And I will work on more Angus enhanced for replacements and contact retailers about this.

 

[TigoleBitties]

Yeah, I emailed him last night. Here is the response:

For Angus Enhanced, the air path is fully isolated and that part is not in the air path. When disassemble the device, it could damage it and make it look messy.
If customers are concerned about it, we can replace for the new one.

And I will work on more Angus enhanced for replacements and contact retailers about this.

Thanks for that. So it sounds like the early versions of the enhanced did have this fiberglass insulation but according to them it was "not in the airpath". It doesn't sound great to me that fiberglass was even considered close to an airpath much less making it into production units.

Also not sure what "replace for the new one" means. What is the new material?

 

[snowdrop7756]

Remember when their first angus had cooling units supposedly made of PEEK melting far below PEEK rated temperatures? This isn't the first time YLL has been questionable. It's either shoddy engineering, cost cutting, or flat out negligent behavior. If the material was supposedly ceramic I wouldn't put it past them to say screw it and stuff insulation to save costs. I can only imagine what the metal and plastic are made out of.

As for those saying the airpath is isolated, sure that's assuming there aren't any manufacturing issues. Mesothelioma ain't worth the risk.

 

[spearmint]

Update, I checked mine. Just gotta unscrew the top Torx screws.

I got my AE ~seven months after the first batch from Verdampftnochmal, and it has the fully exposed fibreglass insulation as well.

Seeing more data and other photos I'm now very unconvinced about the seal of the air path. There is no way they have a full clean room for assembly of these, and relying on an O-ring to avoid inhaling micro fibreglass is not something I will be doing.

 

[snowdrop7756]

Update, I checked mine. Just gotta unscrew the top Torx screws.

I got my AE ~seven months after the first batch from Verdampftnochmal, and it has the fully exposed fibreglass insulation as well.

Seeing more data and other photos I'm now very unconvinced about the seal of the air path. There is no way they have a full clean room for assembly of these, and relying on an O-ring to avoid inhaling micro fibreglass is not something I will be doing.

Looking at that I can bet one of two things. Shit plastic blend that was melting or battery heat containment issues. They realized the issue and rather then fix it properly they stuffed it full of insulation. Completely unacceptable.

 

[rwx-800]

How isnt this all over the forums? This is huge news and every AE buyer and current owners should know about this potential health hazard

 

[Agent_KushmanX]

Yeah this is a whole mess, and i dont really like the lack of accountability of Mike on reddit beyond oopsie daisie, we will offer replacements for the batches with issues, and contact the affected parties, i dont know man a total recall seems to be more in order, and even if they did that the fact that they blatantly lied in their testing and have been caught repeteadly lying or mislabelling their products is grotesque, a deal breaker for me glad i didnt pick up the AE last december, almost pulled the trigger.

In one of the threads in reddit a guy did a breakdown on his ditanium and found similar materials in it, said he would upload pics tomorrow, so it makes me wonder which electric vapes are actually safe, are my china vapes like xmax safe or should we all be very concerned?

 

[TerpChasersClub]

Yeah this is a whole mess, and i dont really like the lack of accountability of Mike on reddit beyond oopsie daisie, we will offer replacements for the batches with issues, and contact the affected parties, i dont know man a total recall seems to be more in order, and even if they did that the fact that they blatantly lied in their testing and have been caught repeteadly lying or mislabelling their products is grotesque, a deal breaker for me glad i didnt pick up the AE last december, almost pulled the trigger.

In one of the threads in reddit a guy did a breakdown on his ditanium and found similar materials in it, said he would upload pics tomorrow, so it makes me wonder which electric vapes are actually safe, are my china vapes like xmax safe or should we all be very concerned?

Not trying to make excuses, because I am upset as well. However, fiberglass is not the same as asbestos. Multiple studies on fiberglass have concluded that it is not a significant cancer risk, and that irritation ends after exposure ends. It doesn’t stick in your lungs forever. Inhaling fiberglass would instantly produce acute symptoms

 

[snowdrop7756]

Yeah this is a whole mess, and i dont really like the lack of accountability of Mike on reddit beyond oopsie daisie, we will offer replacements for the batches with issues, and contact the affected parties, i dont know man a total recall seems to be more in order, and even if they did that the fact that they blatantly lied in their testing and have been caught repeteadly lying or mislabelling their products is grotesque, a deal breaker for me glad i didnt pick up the AE last december, almost pulled the trigger.

In one of the threads in reddit a guy did a breakdown on his ditanium and found similar materials in it, said he would upload pics tomorrow, so it makes me wonder which electric vapes are actually safe, are my china vapes like xmax safe or should we all be very concerned?

I think most Chinese vapes should be held with strong suspicion. Especially those with no affiliation outside of china. IE sold/made/founded in china. They will never be held accountable and they know this.

 

[Agent_KushmanX]

Not trying to make excuses, because I am upset as well. However, fiberglass is not the same as asbestos. Multiple studies on fiberglass have concluded that it is not a significant cancer risk, and that irritation ends after exposure ends. It doesn’t stick in your lungs forever. Inhaling fiberglass would instantly produce acute symptoms

ohh yeah at least it's not giving ya cancer, still shoddy business practices like that are not acceptable.

I think most Chinese vapes should be held with strong suspicion. Especially those with no affiliation outside of china. IE sold/made/founded in china. They will never be held accountable and they know this.

yeah i agree, its no mans land as far as accountability goes.