Effects of bud vs trim

[juneshayek]

I know this sounds strange but the high from trim or low quality weed feels a lot better to me than real bud! Real bud feels trippy and icky in a sense. Almost like my body is slightly aching like when you're just starting to get sick. Trim makes me euphoric and relaxed. It feels nice.

The differences between indica dominant and sativa dominant strains is a lot more subtle to me than the differences between various parts of the same plant, regardless of being indica or sativa.

I've tested this with around 20 different types of weed, and recently had a chance to grow my own, and I can directly compare the high from the bud vs. e.g. fan leaves. Yes, vaping fan leaves from my plant actually gets me high and feels amazing! The bud is dank but feels like crap, honestly.

What do you guys make of this? I'm puzzled since it pretty much goes against conventional wisdom.

P.S.: I'm extremely sensitive to the effects of weed. I don't know if that means anything in this context.

 

[EverythingsHazy]

Yes, vaping fan leaves from my plant actually gets me high and feels amazing! The bud is dank but feels like crap, honestly.

What do you guys make of this? I'm puzzled since it pretty much goes against conventional wisdom.

P.S.: I'm extremely sensitive to the effects of weed. I don't know if that means anything in this context.

Sounds to me, like you have a very low tolerance, and are getting way too stoned when you vape the buds.

How much bud/leaf do you vape?

 

[invertedisdead]

Sounds like low tolerance, but I suppose it's possible you enjoy the effects of the smaller bulbous and sessile trichomes more than capitate stalked trichomes.

 

[TeeJay1952]

I used to split chickens with a fellow that only liked dark meat. Find a "bud head" and arrange an exchange.

 

[JCat]

I know this sounds strange but the high from trim or low quality weed feels a lot better to me than real bud! Real bud feels trippy and icky in a sense. Almost like my body is slightly aching like when you're just starting to get sick. Trim makes me euphoric and relaxed. It feels nice.

The differences between indica dominant and sativa dominant strains is a lot more subtle to me than the differences between various parts of the same plant, regardless of being indica or sativa.

I've tested this with around 20 different types of weed, and recently had a chance to grow my own, and I can directly compare the high from the bud vs. e.g. fan leaves. Yes, vaping fan leaves from my plant actually gets me high and feels amazing! The bud is dank but feels like crap, honestly.

What do you guys make of this? I'm puzzled since it pretty much goes against conventional wisdom.

P.S.: I'm extremely sensitive to the effects of weed. I don't know if that means anything in this context.

Yep ... sounds to me like your tolerance is just extremely low as well ... might want to try just vaping like a crumb ... .01 or so ... possibly less ... (like dab size but flower ... so the size of a grain of rice or so ...)

 

[juneshayek]

I hear you, guys. But I've been getting blazed on average twice daily for the past year and a half. Could it really be low tolerance then?

I vape on average 0.005 grams of bud per session, or 0.02 grams of trim per session, or 0.1 grams of fan leaves per session. So obviously bud is a lot stronger than trim and leaves, I get that, but that's not the issue here. Even if I smoke half the amount of bud, it still doesn't feel as good as the trim.

Bud, for me, just has a sort of sharp feel to it, while trim feels a lot more soft and mellow, regardless of dose. I've experimented a LOT with modulating dosage, and these differences are irrespective of that.

What if trim/leaves just have a bad rep from the combustion days because they taste crappy when smoked? For vaping they taste fine and give me the nicest high. Sometimes it almost feels like a different drug compared to bud.

Has anybody here ever tried vaping trim? What were your experiences? If not, maybe give it a try if you ever get the chance.

also @invertedisdead, that's amazing with the sessile glands, I had no idea! I was looking at my fan leaves and trim under a microscope and saw what looked like little droplets of oil. So that's what that was. Makes sense now!

 

[crawdad]

even with a built up tolerance level im still a sensitive person to partaking. ive vaped, cooked in oil and combusted trim and can relate to the "feels like a different drug" perspective. certainly far more mellow reaction would be one way to describe it. id explain it as a hybrid experience where own-self is able to remain more conscious and aware during the session versus becoming a bit numb in favor of a heightened sense of natural sensations.

 

[jojo monkey]

I know this sounds strange but the high from trim or low quality weed feels a lot better to me than real bud! Real bud feels trippy and icky in a sense. Almost like my body is slightly aching like when you're just starting to get sick. Trim makes me euphoric and relaxed. It feels nice.

The differences between indica dominant and sativa dominant strains is a lot more subtle to me than the differences between various parts of the same plant, regardless of being indica or sativa.

I've tested this with around 20 different types of weed, and recently had a chance to grow my own, and I can directly compare the high from the bud vs. e.g. fan leaves. Yes, vaping fan leaves from my plant actually gets me high and feels amazing! The bud is dank but feels like crap, honestly.

What do you guys make of this? I'm puzzled since it pretty much goes against conventional wisdom.

P.S.: I'm extremely sensitive to the effects of weed. I don't know if that means anything in this context.

Not strange at all. Actually very observant!

A ‘phytochemical polymorphism’ seems operative in the plant (Franz and Novak, 2010), as production favours agents such as limonene and pinene in flowers that are repellent to insects (Nerio et al., 2010), while lower fan leaves express higher concentrations of bitter sesquiterpenoids that act as anti-feedants for grazing animals (Potter, 2009). Evolutionarily, terpenoids seem to occur in complex and variable mixtures with marked structural diversity to serve various ecological roles.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3165946/

 

[C No Ego]

I hear you, guys. But I've been getting blazed on average twice daily for the past year and a half. Could it really be low tolerance then?

I vape on average 0.005 grams of bud per session, or 0.02 grams of trim per session, or 0.1 grams of fan leaves per session. So obviously bud is a lot stronger than trim and leaves, I get that, but that's not the issue here. Even if I smoke half the amount of bud, it still doesn't feel as good as the trim.

Bud, for me, just has a sort of sharp feel to it, while trim feels a lot more soft and mellow, regardless of dose. I've experimented a LOT with modulating dosage, and these differences are irrespective of that.

What if trim/leaves just have a bad rep from the combustion days because they taste crappy when smoked? For vaping they taste fine and give me the nicest high. Sometimes it almost feels like a different drug compared to bud.

Has anybody here ever tried vaping trim? What were your experiences? If not, maybe give it a try if you ever get the chance.

also @invertedisdead, that's amazing with the sessile glands, I had no idea! I was looking at my fan leaves and trim under a microscope and saw what looked like little droplets of oil. So that's what that was. Makes sense now!

I had some minty trim one time that vaped and had the best mellow high... that mint and then

though, I actually have had some cinderella 99 flower that had exact effect... but, not many strains do that as it does seem heavier... you could boost your metabolism some too to better metabolize compounds from the buds check this link- it explains how http://themodern.farm/studies/Omega-3 Deficiancy Abolish Endocannabinoid Function.pdf

 

[vaporcloud]

I've vaped most parts of the plant. When I have had no bud I've vaped fan leaves. So that normally means my tolerance is very low. No bud=low tolerance for me as a daily user. Initially the high is acceptable, mellow and satisfyingly but as soon as I'm ready for a boost I can't get to where I want to be due to the lower quality of fan leaves vs bud. Plus I generally find leaf and trim to be more stoned than high. The euphoric effects are way less.

This is my experience only but due to the seasonal nature of supply in NZ sometimes all you can get is crappy regs or trim.

 

[juneshayek]

very interesting input, @vaporcloud. Definitely a more stoned feel on leaves, but I can still get high on them if I vape enough. As for bud, it definitely feels high, but also sort of "on edge" to me.

Also interesting to hear about your low tolerance in spite of daily usage. So that really is possible and not just me imagining things!

 

[chris 71]

I had a what was called a personal production licence for a few years and grew my own . i cant wait till it becomes legal up here in canada next summer so i can do this again it was great thing being able to grow my own .

I remember watching the tricombe devlopement and scoping different parts of the plant one thing i recall is the tricomes on the sugar leaves matured faster then the ones on the buds them self , with more amber ocuring before the ones on the buds maybe thats your answer as wel as a lower tolerance

take a look at this too https://www.royalqueenseeds.com/blog-cannabis-trichomes-importance-n430

i have preached it before i also believe that the optimal time to harvest isint necessarily when the plant has reached its most highest thc potential . i think it needs to ripen further even if it means a lower thc percentage especialy for those of us who arnt good with the racy edgy type high

 

[grampa_herb]

Interesting. Back in the day I used to buy in quantity, sell the bud and keep the shake. The shake got me higher but customers preferred the bud.

 

[C No Ego]

Interesting. Back in the day I used to buy in quantity, sell the bud and keep the shake. The shake got me higher but customers preferred the bud.

all those bud thrichs drop to the bottom and stick to the shake... potent stuff

 

[juneshayek]

i have preached it before i also believe that the optimal time to harvest isint necessarily when the plant has reached its most highest thc potential . i think it needs to ripen further even if it means a lower thc percentage especialy for those of us who arnt good with the racy edgy type high

Yeah, sounds like this is what happened with my own plant. The trichomes on the bud are all clear as glass. As for the bud I've bought, it has opaque trichomes and sure feels better than my own bud, but still not good as my leaves.

You can most likely 'cure' your way out of this.

Hmm.. interesting. Do elaborate if you have any more info. My bud's been curing for a month now and still feels the same.

 

[vaporcloud]

I dunno mate. I'm not sure curing does anymore than making the bud nicer to consume. As for making it more potent I can't see how. The potency is related to the strain. As I produce my own product I've tried quick drying vs a slow cure dry and find potency doesn't change much.

I was given some lovely cured bud last month. Looked great smooth as a baby's butt to vap but my 2 day quick dry home grown blew it away. Just a better stain. I gave the cured bud to a mate.

 

[asdf420]

I dunno mate. I'm not sure curing does anymore than making the bud nicer to consume. As for making it more potent I can't see how. The potency is related to the strain. As I produce my own product I've tried quick drying vs a slow cure dry and find potency doesn't change much.

I was given some lovely cured bud last month. Looked great smooth as a baby's butt to vap but my 2 day quick dry home grown blew it away. Just a better stain. I gave the cured bud to a mate.

Weird.. since curing supposedly allows a chemical reaction from non-psychoactive CBGA to THCA.
https://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/222426
https://www.leafly.com/news/cannabis-101/what-is-cbg-cannabinoid

and since CBGA reacts into both THCA and CBDA, I don't know how some strains end up with more THC or CBD...

 

[C No Ego]

I dunno mate. I'm not sure curing does anymore than making the bud nicer to consume. As for making it more potent I can't see how. The potency is related to the strain. As I produce my own product I've tried quick drying vs a slow cure dry and find potency doesn't change much.

I was given some lovely cured bud last month. Looked great smooth as a baby's butt to vap but my 2 day quick dry home grown blew it away. Just a better stain. I gave the cured bud to a mate.

the key to curing is to ferment the sugars into acetyl alcohol... the sugars are harsh and curing mellows them out and brings out flavors etc... this effects how it vapes as well because alcohol helps carry the vapor better than sugar

 

[BLACK ICE !!!]

I hear you, guys. But I've been getting blazed on average twice daily for the past year and a half. Could it really be low tolerance then?

I vape on average 0.005 grams of bud per session, or 0.02 grams of trim per session, or 0.1 grams of fan leaves per session. So obviously bud is a lot stronger than trim and leaves, I get that, but that's not the issue here. Even if I smoke half the amount of bud, it still doesn't feel as good as the trim.

Bud, for me, just has a sort of sharp feel to it, while trim feels a lot more soft and mellow, regardless of dose. I've experimented a LOT with modulating dosage, and these differences are irrespective of that.

What if trim/leaves just have a bad rep from the combustion days because they taste crappy when smoked? For vaping they taste fine and give me the nicest high. Sometimes it almost feels like a different drug compared to bud.

Has anybody here ever tried vaping trim? What were your experiences? If not, maybe give it a try if you ever get the chance.

also @invertedisdead, that's amazing with the sessile glands, I had no idea! I was looking at my fan leaves and trim under a microscope and saw what looked like little droplets of oil. So that's what that was. Makes sense now!

 

[BLACK ICE !!!]

I hear you, guys. But I've been getting blazed on average twice daily for the past year and a half. Could it really be low tolerance then?

I vape on average 0.005 grams of bud per session, or 0.02 grams of trim per session, or 0.1 grams of fan leaves per session. So obviously bud is a lot stronger than trim and leaves, I get that, but that's not the issue here. Even if I smoke half the amount of bud, it still doesn't feel as good as the trim.

Bud, for me, just has a sort of sharp feel to it, while trim feels a lot more soft and mellow, regardless of dose. I've experimented a LOT with modulating dosage, and these differences are irrespective of that.

What if trim/leaves just have a bad rep from the combustion days because they taste crappy when smoked? For vaping they taste fine and give me the nicest high. Sometimes it almost feels like a different drug compared to bud.

Has anybody here ever tried vaping trim? What were your experiences? If not, maybe give it a try if you ever get the chance.

also @invertedisdead, that's amazing with the sessile glands, I had no idea! I was looking at my fan leaves and trim under a microscope and saw what looked like little droplets of oil. So that's what that was. Makes sense now!

I'm having the same/similar experience with CBD herbs ... I never thought in my life I would buy or even try trim/shake ... But 1 site I bought from - Fingerlakes cannabis ... Had a 15%off discount code which also included 2 oz of shake/trim ... & It's 1 of the most perfectly smooth,mellow & sedating effects I've ever had ... I didn't even used the regular flower yet because of this ! I ended ordering 1 pound =(16oz) of sour space candy trim + 1oz of blue moon kush & another 1oz of special sauce from medhemporium ! I've only opened the Blue Moon Kush & Sour Space Candy & it's absolutely shocking the effects I'm getting/feeling from this Vaping in my Custom created Black & Chrome latched Ghost ! I finally had to google search 2 see if anybody else has realized what I'm just now figuring out by accident ... Which lead me here 2+ years after your post !!! Thanks for this post if 2 many people realize the same as us they would feel a lot better & save a lot of money while getting why more product !!! {$90 for *16oz/1pound} Would've been cheaper if i didn't miss the sale @t medhemporium .. I seriously doubt I'll buy anything other than trim now !!!

 

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[TommyDee]

I know this sounds strange but the high from trim or low quality weed feels a lot better to me than real bud! Real bud feels trippy and icky in a sense. Almost like my body is slightly aching like when you're just starting to get sick. Trim makes me euphoric and relaxed. It feels nice.

The differences between indica dominant and sativa dominant strains is a lot more subtle to me than the differences between various parts of the same plant, regardless of being indica or sativa.

I've tested this with around 20 different types of weed, and recently had a chance to grow my own, and I can directly compare the high from the bud vs. e.g. fan leaves. Yes, vaping fan leaves from my plant actually gets me high and feels amazing! The bud is dank but feels like crap, honestly.

What do you guys make of this? I'm puzzled since it pretty much goes against conventional wisdom.

P.S.: I'm extremely sensitive to the effects of weed. I don't know if that means anything in this context.

That icky sick feeling is paranoia. I get this from my one strain too on a first draw. I look forward to that dissipating within the half hour. After that, nada. The rest is just the pleasant high I look for and it is waning fast. Within a few hours the mind is straight albeit shifted and I feel the body effects in the ligaments.

I can get a hard buzz on just the little leaf-stems that I remove during grinding. All plant matter has the THC. Concentrations is what makes it different.

However, and this may help you. I do understand what you are describing as I've also found a way to avoid it, but not by choice. CBD inhibits THC. I like the taste of hemp and that I can do all day without interfering with daily life like driving and working. Later in the evening when I catch up medical levels of cannabis with THC I don't get nothing by way of paranoia or even a decent buzz. Hell of a catch 22!

Have you tried a high CBD content herb? Maybe try hemp an hour before the stronger stuff? Anyway, I can get past the paranoid feeling which I know is simply induced. But I also know I can eliminate it with hemp. CBD strains should also help but I don't know if the high-CBD content works immediately in suppressing THC for that initial draw.

edit; I get that this is an old thread now woopy

 

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