Dr Dabber Switch (Induction Vaporizer)

[His_Highness]

We're not into dabbing but my questions below pertain to dabbing and flowers. Everyone has a different perspective so to each their own.

Initially what got me interested in vaporizing was the ability to lower the cost of my flower use when the users in my household doubled. Is the Switch efficient? @stickstones has already said it can make ABV usable which is better than smoking ABV in a bong (which I was known to do when I first started vaping and craved the taste of smoke) but my question isn't about ABV.

I fell in love with the vape taste. I've seen some call the Switch flower use as conduction. I love the taste of the first few hits on my conduction vapes! Eventually my conduction vapes are going to taste like ass/burnt popcorn. How's the taste at the lower temps before the char sets in? How's the taste for dabs?

Then I came to appreciate the lack of smell. Is it necessary to smell like smoke or can keeping to the lower temps eliminate the smoke smell?

I've seen varying replies to the questions above so maybe we'd be better off starting a poll but it might be too soon for that.

And finally .... I began to notice my lungs were noticeably clearer and I wasn't using my asthma inhaler anymore. I'm steering clear of the "Is the Switch healthier, less healthy or the same" question since the debate seems to still be going on.

EDIT: When I finish off a conduction vape at max temp what's left is black char looking stuff that doesn't taste nor smell like smoke so the Switch has to be going beyond that with it's new tech?

 

[TheHitman]

I don't understand why so many of you are choosing to ignore the fact that in advanced mode on the lower temps the results are much different than on the higher temps with this unit.

Many of us that own the Switch have confirmed brown abv with vape taste and smell on these lower temps in advanced mode, yet all you guys want to talk about is how it works on high settings with a 25 second hit time, which is more like taking a big bong rip.

Record shorter hit times on lower temp settings and you can dial it to be a lot more like a traditional vape experience.

Yet several of you that seem to have not even tried one keep coming up with long theoretical posts that every rip off this is producing charred effects, or unwanted compounds, or bad taste and smell. This thing can absolutely reach high temps that other vapes don't and can also reach low temps that other vapes don't. It is a lot more versatile than what many of you are claiming.

 

[Danksta]

I don't understand why so many of you are choosing to ignore the fact that on advanced mode in the lower temps the results are much different than on the higher temps with this unit.

Many of us that own the Switch have confirmed brown abv with vape taste and smell on these lower temps in advanced mode, yet all you guys want to talk about is how it works on high settings with a 25 second hit time, which is more like taking a big bong rip.

Record shorter hit times on lower temp settings and you can dail it to be a lot more like a traditional vape experience.

Yet several of you that seem to have not even tried one keep coming up with long theoretical posts that every rip off this this is producing charred effects, or unwanted compounds, or bad taste and smell. This thing can absolutely reach high temps that other vapes don't and can also reach low temps that other vapes don't. It is a lot more versatile than what many of you are claiming.

I did the max temp and the lowest temp. Both were pretty bad.

The Flowerpot at 800 tastes good. The Switch has never tasted good to me for flower.

 

[TheHitman]

I did the max temp and the lowest temp. Both were pretty bad.

The Flowerpot at 800 tastes good. The Switch has never tasted good to me for flower.

You did the lowest temp on preset green or in advanced mode?

 

[wall]

I did the max temp and the lowest temp. Both were pretty bad.

The Flowerpot at 800 tastes good. The Switch has never tasted good to me for flower.

What head are you using on the flowerpot? That’s some high heat

 

[tonuzzi]

I have to say that the customer support @DrDabber is very good.
A big shout out to Holly for all her time and support

 

[Mystorium]

I have to say that the customer support @DrDabber is very good.
A big shout out to Holly for all her time and support

Holly has helped me as well with my issue, shes amazing!

 

[Custom Flower Hardware]

Stuff a whole nug in the cup and zap it up on advanced blue/cyan. Very nice!

 

[terpslayer]

I have to say that the customer support @DrDabber is very good.
A big shout out to Holly for all her time and support

I been trying to get in contact with them, they charged me for any extra one on my cc and won’t reply after several emails... it’s hilarious how you guys get answer though

Just gonna call visa now and get a charge back

 

[biohacker]

from my interpretation didn’t think it was something we did everyday nor is it as simple as heating trichs to gases.

"Pyrolysis is most commonly applied to the treatment of organic materials. It is one of the processes involved in charring wood, starting at 200–300 °C (390–570 °F).[2] In general, pyrolysis of organic substances produces volatile products and leaves a solid residue enriched in carbon, char."

If Pyrolysis is involved starting at 200-300c with WOOD, you would think that flower would be MUCH lower. Surface to mass ratio is crucial here.

Regardless, quack! quack! Unsubscribed and enjoy the smoke show!

 

[WelshBrok]

Sorry @biohacker I don’t mean to continue this and derail the thread further and this may be better moved to a discussion on pyrolysis itself but I feel you’ve missed the point, possibly my explanation wasn’t all that clear. I’m only putting this here so everyone understands that the process of pyrolysis is unique to the switch (well of the vapes I’m aware of anyway)

You said

We all use pyrolysis every single day with our vaporizers? Pyrolysis is a solid (trichs) turning into a gas (vapour) via heat?. Why must it get more complex than that?

This is simply not true. As far as I’m aware the switch is the first vape capable of pyrolysis. Convection vapes by definition can’t achieve pyrolysis (how can you heat something with air while heating it in the absence of oxygen?) and currently all conduction vapes I’m aware of involve drawing air through the heated material, which again means you aren’t heating in the an inert atmosphere.

"Pyrolysis is most commonly applied to the treatment of organic materials. It is one of the processes involved in charring wood, starting at 200–300 °C (390–570 °F).[2] In general, pyrolysis of organic substances produces volatile products and leaves a solid residue enriched in carbon, char."

If Pyrolysis is involved starting at 200-300c with WOOD, you would think that flower would be MUCH lower. Surface to mass ratio is crucial here.

Regardless, quack! quack! Unsubscribed and enjoy the smoke show!

Again the point here is, if you heated wood to 200-300c in the presence of air it would combust. All other vapes that I know of, do their thing, in the presence of air, so what the switch is doing here isn’t something I’ve ever experienced and certainly not something I do everyday.

Again sorry for continuing the discussion but I thought it should be clear to anyone who comes here in the future that vapes usually don’t do pyrolysis

 

[biohacker]

Again the point here is, if you heated wood to 200-300c in the presence of air it would combust.

Are you sure about that? Remember what I said about surface to mass ratio? Let's just agree to disagree on this one... but again, it's not the solid that is burning - it's the gasses via pyrolysis.

I still think it's possible to achieve pyrolysis in a vape other than the Switch, with high enough temperature.

Why Vape?
What is Vaporization?
Vaporization, also known as volatization, is a process by which the active elements of a substance are released through the application of heat without combustion. In other words, the substance is heated, but never burned.

This is an important distinction because when a substance is burned it becomes denatured. Denaturing means that a chemical change takes place and the molecular structure of the substance is actually modified. When denaturing is catalyzed by excessive heat this is known as pyrolysis. Pyrolysis is a major drawback to smoking a material.

When pyrolysis occurs, a molecular breakdown creates new elements that had not been present in the source material prior to combustion. The obvious example is, of course, tobacco. When smoking a cigarette, you seek the effects of tobacco's active element, nicotine. Through the process of smoking, however, you receive not only nicotine, but a handful of toxins and irritants, such as smoke and tar, which have been created by pyrolysis.

In contrast, because vaporization typically requires a temperature lower than a substance's combustion point, pyrolysis never takes place and the substance is never denatured. In other words, vaporization releases the active elements of a substance through a method by which pyrolysis cannot take place. Therefore, it produces a pure aerosol mist comprised only of elements naturally occurring in the source material.

What are the benefits of Vaporization?
Vaporization produces no combustion byproducts such as Carbon Monoxide, Tar or other harmful elements which are prime suspects in cigarette-related Cancers. Vapor is also considerably cooler than smoke and less likely to damage sensitive lung and throat tissue. Users who are concerned about the respiratory hazards of smoking are strongly advised to use vaporizers.

 

[WelshBrok]

In contrast, because vaporization typically requires a temperature lower than a substance's combustion point, pyrolysis never takes place and the substance is never denatured. In other words, vaporization releases the active elements of a substance through a method by which pyrolysis cannot take place. Therefore, it produces a pure aerosol mist comprised only of elements naturally occurring in the source material..

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[biohacker]

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Think TEMPERATURE..... vaporization.....then combustion/pyrolysis... and many vapes can very easily cross that threshold, everything else is pretty self explanatory IMO. I'll stick to vaporization, and FUCK COMBUSTION, whether it's complete or especially INcomplete aka pyrolyblahblah... Cheers and best!

 

[HerbieVonVapster]

I've seen varying replies to the questions above so maybe we'd be better off starting a poll but it might be too soon for that.

Wonder how many where made in the first batch. Doesn't seem to be many in the wild yet. So far seems to be a very mixed bag on what people think of it. Hopefully will get a better ideal when I get my unit.

 

[Danksta]

You did the lowest temp on preset green or in advanced mode?

Yes and it gave me just about the same experience as the high settings. So I never went back to flower mode after that.

 

[HerbieVonVapster]

Yes and it gave me just about the same experience as the high settings. So I never went back to flower mode after that.

Hopefully this will be a case of one mans junk is another man treasure. I'm sure I will have some thoughts and opinions once I get a chance to play with it. Got few different strains and going run out for some concertrates since seems to shine there.

Going be a good weekend

 

[Baron23]

how can you heat something with air while heating it in the absence of oxygen?

I keep seeing this statement but have not been able to receive any sort of supporting explanation.

Where did the oxygen go?

The oxygen was not pumped out.

The oven/capsules are not hermetically sealed.

Gas (vapor) is drawn out of the device and out the MP to the user so there is indeed an air path of some sort and its NOT a sealed system.

So, how do you get "no oxygen"?

I'm open to input, but without a substantive response, I have to throw the BS flag on this "no oxygen" thing. To me, its The Emperor's New Clothes story.

And again, my only shot at this device is the claim to vaporize flower and, again, I continue to wonder why manf feel the need to make every vape a swiss army knife. It cuts, it slices, is Julienne's potatoes.

Just sell it as a portable dab rig which it apparently does very well.

 

[freddiegibbs]

I gave leaf mode another chance last night after my initial distasteful experience with it the other day. I ran 2 cups of herb through advanced mode - 1st cup from dark blue 1 to dark blue 3, and 2nd cup from dark blue 3 to dark blue 5. DB is the second lowest color, so I figured it should produce a relatively mild profile for leaf.

While it was far less unpleasant than the green heat setting, I still didn't like it. Smoke flavor crept in at the 2nd hit, and was overwhelming by the 3rd. The vapor itself is light and insubstantial.

There's no denying that the effects are heavier than when I use my Cloud Evo or other vapes. It settles into your bones and weighs you down in a way that I found pleasantly surprising.

That said, I personally don't find the tradeoff worthwhile. You just can't escape the taste, even at lower temps. It didn't fill my entire room with smoke smell like the green temp did, but I still had to thoroughly scrub and rinse away the smell from the glass. Again, another miss on Dr. Dabber's part by not being transparent up front that they recommend a separate $90 accessory to use leaf mode.

 

[HerbieVonVapster]

I keep seeing this statement but have not been able to receive any sort of supporting explanation.

Where did the oxygen go?

The oxygen was not pumped out.

The oven/capsules are not hermetically sealed.

Gas (vapor) is drawn out of the device and out the MP to the user so there is indeed an air path of some sort and its NOT a sealed system.

So, how do you get "no oxygen"?

I'm open to input, but without a substantive response, I have to throw the BS flag on this "no oxygen" thing. To me, its The Emperor's New Clothes story.

Good points seems like this heats the material then it's mixed with cool air from the carb. Instead of air being drawn thru the material.

I could see something like a mod or add-on that has a cup with tube in bottom that connects to the carb hole in lid. Allowing heat to be directly thru the material. Might make for a more tradational vamping experience.

 

[Danksta]

I gave leaf mode another chance last night after my initial distasteful experience with it the other day. I ran 2 cups of herb through advanced mode - 1st cup from dark blue 1 to dark blue 3, and 2nd cup from dark blue 3 to dark blue 5. DB is the second lowest color, so I figured it should produce a relatively mild profile for leaf.

While it was far less unpleasant than the green heat setting, I still didn't like it. Smoke flavor crept in at the 2nd hit, and was overwhelming by the 3rd. The vapor itself is light and insubstantial.

There's no denying that the effects are heavier than when I use my Cloud Evo or other vapes. It settles into your bones and weighs you down in a way that I found pleasantly surprising.

That said, I personally don't find the tradeoff worthwhile. You just can't escape the taste, even at lower temps. It didn't fill my entire room with smoke smell like the green temp did, but I still had to thoroughly scrub and rinse away the smell from the glass. Again, another miss on Dr. Dabber's part by not being transparent up front that they recommend a separate $90 accessory to use leaf mode.

Even if they can convince people to buy a separate rig, the Switch joint needs cleaned each time. A thorough cleaning at that.

I stand by what I said. This should have never been marketed for flower. I bet their customer service reps would agree.

Perhaps a new firmware update will correct things.

 

[freddiegibbs]

Even if they can convince people to buy a separate rig, the Switch joint needs cleaned each time. A thorough cleaning at that.

I stand by what I said. This should have never been marketed for flower. I bet their customer service reps would agree.

Perhaps a new firmware update will correct things.

In its current iteration, I have to agree. I say that not as an indictment, but a recommendation. I otherwise enjoy this product and would like to see the company succeed with the concept.

Firmware updates would be a bummer, as that would require us to send our units in. Though I don't think that's going to solve our problem. I'm no expert by any means, but this seems like a hardware issue. My guess is we would only get "normal" vapor from either an add-on or a re-design.

 

[WelshBrok]

I keep seeing this statement but have not been able to receive any sort of supporting explanation.

Where did the oxygen go?

The oxygen was not pumped out.

The oven/capsules are not hermetically sealed.

Gas (vapor) is drawn out of the device and out the MP to the user so there is indeed an air path of some sort and its NOT a sealed system.

So, how do you get "no oxygen"?

I'm open to input, but without a substantive response, I have to throw the BS flag on this "no oxygen" thing. To me, its The Emperor's New Clothes story.

And again, my only shot at this device is the claim to vaporize flower and, again, I continue to wonder why manf feel the need to make every vape a swiss army knife. It cuts, it slices, is Julienne's potatoes.

Just sell it as a portable dab rig which it apparently does very well.

I asked the same thing way back in the thread on VL and s car go said:
“The nail is in a deep well and during the vaporization process the payload is out gassing and no air can get into the area while the out gassing is occurring.”

 

[Danksta]

In its current iteration, I have to agree. I say that not as an indictment, but a recommendation. I otherwise enjoy this product and would like to see the company succeed with the concept.

Firmware updates would be a bummer, as that would require us to send our units in. Though I don't think that's going to solve our problem. I'm no expert by any means, but this seems like a hardware issue. My guess is we would only get "normal" vapor from either an add-on or a re-design.

I think even on the lowest setting it's getting too cooked (the load). I think if an update came out with a lower temp it might work. On the low setting it looks like the heat builds. Whatever temp it's aiming at is too high for that environment (capsule) IMO.

 

[Baron23]

Good points seems like this heats the material then it's mixed with cool air from the carb. Instead of air being drawn thru the material.

I'm not concerned with exactly how the air is routed, but its a fact that air and vapor from the load are routed from the outside and the oven respectively and delivered to the MP.

Its an open system. I don' think there is anything else I can say about it.

Again, from folks I know who have one, they like it very much for dabs (as do people with the Peake) and there ain't nothing wrong with that.

“The nail is in a deep well and during the vaporization process the payload is out gassing and no air can get into the area while the out gassing is occurring.”

I know this is not your quote...but that doesn't even make sense.