Dr Dabber Switch (Induction Vaporizer)

[Likes2vape]

I have read enough of this thread and reports from @stickstones before it was even released that I wouldn’t bother trying the flower mode if I were to get this. I see this as a portable dab rig and an electric bong. Kinda like a megatoke in bong form.

 

[Niiizy_503]

Last night I pushed about an 8th through flower mode, basically starting at the very first purple setting and working my way up. I found I didn’t start getting the charred up abv until I started getting into the mid Cyan settings. IMO The sweet spot for flower mode is the 2nd light on the dark blue setting in advanced mode.. after the first round on that setting, the abv was still light brown and semi sticky. It didn’t start really darkening up initial after nearly 3 rounds of vaping it. The Switch is so damn powerful, but I find works better on the lower settings, especially with the bubble cap.

 

[Custom Flower Hardware]

Exactly turn the temp down for some of the fastest conduction hits out

 

[stickstones]

It sounds like some members are enjoying the same noxious effects that beginner vaporists often have trouble giving up when switching to vaporization. I think we should really think twice before celebrating the addition of benzene and other byproducts of incomplete combustion in our vapor...

I think there’s more going on here than that. The lack of oxygen means different compounds are/aren’t being formed. The effects I get are like getting really faded...heavy cbd effects that knock me out.

We won’t really know what’s in the smoke/vapor until this stuff gets tested. I was playing with it a lot last night and there is a full spectrum ratio of vapor to smoke to choose from. If I hit a load on high several
times the room will smell like smoke the next day. If I keep it to no more than 2 hits on green 2 it’s more vapor and wisps away fairly quickly.

 

[Alexis]

heavy cbd effects that knock me out

Hey man, hope its a good day. I think those effects you are speaking of are due to CBN not CBD.
CBN is released at the higher temps, and is very abundant in ABV and in a far greater proportion to THC than it is fresh bud.

Hence the more tranquilising, less psychoactive, energetic high from ABV edibles. CBD is relaxing and can help with sleep, but it is not really sedativeor very physical in effects.

CBN is indesirable to me personally and I try and avoid it. I have severe chronic fatigue and the CBN doesnt help at all. It can be quite unpleasant to some in a sort of groggy, lethargic sense. Some people dont like it. We have harvested many plants a little too late, which results in a lot of THC degrading into CBN. Note- "degrading", not how a crysallis turns into a butterfly.

But many people also like the effects of CBN and deliberately let their plants run longer for 30% amber trichomes or higher. The amber colour is due to the formation of CBN. It is largely CBN that is at play in the couch lock effect.

I think CBD has a much lower boiling point also? So it would all be zapped out at lower temps with usual vaping temps. And CBD is actually very very low in most standard classical strains anyhow, although more and more newer strains are emerging with higher CBD levels. The effects of CBD would be difficult to perceive at even higher doses, especially with decent THC intake. It might passify the THC and give a more relaxed effect. But not account for heavy sedating effects at high temps. Blame that on that (ghastly) CBN

Sorry not meaning to sound at all patronising. You guys are all so knowledgable on all aspects of vaporizing. This is one of the very few aspects of cannaabis that I know just a little bit about that's all, so I'm seizing the opportunity to try and make a valid contribution.

All said, please feel free to correct me where I am wrong anybody.

 

[ohmygodimsohigh]

I think there’s more going on here than that. The lack of oxygen means different compounds are/aren’t being formed. The effects I get are like getting really faded...heavy cbd effects that knock me out.

We won’t really know what’s in the smoke/vapor until this stuff gets tested. I was playing with it a lot last night and there is a full spectrum ratio of vapor to smoke to choose from. If I hit a load on high several
times the room will smell like smoke the next day. If I keep it to no more than 2 hits on green 2 it’s more vapor and wisps away fairly quickly.

I agree. It's different than smoke and gets me higher than vaping OR smoking would.

I fully expected most vapor purists to not enjoy the flower mode.
I wasn't expecting people to lash out and marginalize the ones with differing opinions.

 

[invertedisdead]

The effects I get are like getting really faded

THCV + CBN + Benzene + Tolulene + Napthalene. Did you ever try using the Vapcap OG and heat towards the bottom with a single jet? It makes stoney charcoal too.

 

[stickstones]

@Alexis - see what I mean? I can’t even tell my letters apart the next day!

@invertedisdead - I try to take every vape I test to the limits, and can really beat up some herb, but nothing does what this thing does. It’s different than anything I’ve tried before.

 

[TheHitman]

Last night I pushed about an 8th through flower mode, basically starting at the very first purple setting and working my way up. I found I didn’t start getting the charred up abv until I started getting into the mid Cyan settings. IMO The sweet spot for flower mode is the 2nd light on the dark blue setting in advanced mode.. after the first round on that setting, the abv was still light brown and semi sticky. It didn’t start really darkening up initial after nearly 3 rounds of vaping it. The Switch is so damn powerful, but I find works better on the lower settings, especially with the bubble cap.

Thank you! That's what I've been saying and a lot of people seem to keep ignoring this fact.
At no point is it combusting and if you don't like the look of the abv or the taste and smell on the higher temps you can simply go into advanced mode and lower the temp to get results you're looking for. You can also train it to record a shorter hit time too so it's not heating as long.

 

[Custom Flower Hardware]

I'm a flower guy mainly and this one is different. We are all used to conduction that heats the weed for a short period of time till 360-410 degrees roughly. Then air is drawn through/around the weed so technically there is oxygen in play here. with the switch it is induction (instant conductive heating) So that temp of 360-410 is blasted on the load in seconds. The temp and time of the heat can be tailored by you. The oxygen that comes through the pinhole of the carb cap is minimal. So basically you are boiling whatever and how- long ever you want. But like a pizza in the oven, if you keep flashing 410 degrees on it it'll blacken and taste like shit too. I've been trying the cyan setting with A 10 - 15 second heat time. But i'm changing it up all the time. The flavor and effects are great at that range. This is a badass tool that has more power than anyone of us will ever need

 

[jsnstanley]

I put wood chips into a metal box on the gas grill. The wood chips don’t catch on fire. They turn to coal. They are not on fire. Not full, true combustion. They churn out smoke. Different? than full on burning a blaze smoke? Maybe.. but it’s smoke. smell, taste, ect

 

[biohacker]

I put wood chips into a metal box on the gas grill. The wood chips don’t catch on fire. They turn to coal. They are not on fire. Not full, true combustion. They churn out smoke. Different? than full on burning a blaze smoke? Maybe.. but it’s smoke. smell, taste, ect

Yep, incomplete combustion... even worse than combustion.... unless you love carbon monoxide! It makes you feel very sleepy.... wait a sec, is that why it's such a great vape before bed? Of course not, it must be the CBN!

 

[clukx]

Yep, incomplete combustion... even worse than combustion.... unless you love carbon monoxide! It makes you feel very sleepy.... wait a sec, is that why it's such a great vape before bed? Of course not, it must be the CBN!

right lol, I think this unit is a flop for me I was damn excited about it too...plus the need to clean the glass every hit if I wanted to dab/smoke/dab/smoke

 

[duff]

@stickstones, do you know if they are shooting for the vaporizer market, the combustors or somewhere in between?
I thought it was called the Switch because it was capable of vaporizing flower and concentrate but perhaps it was always geared towards folks that are currently combusting and are considering switching to vaporization.

 

[Danksta]

Spent the weekend with this unit and have come to the conclusion it's not for me. It's not as plug and play as I had hoped for. It requires some effort in between hits to keep it clean and working right, even with quartz. There is always some burn off I can't get clean with qtips alone and that overtime adds a smell to the joint. When it works it works really nice. I still think it's a fun device to use but it's not for me. When there is a Liger plugged in right next to it, having a Switch seems a bit unnecessary.

The heating unit is pretty cool though. This thing has incredible power.

But those ceramic coated ti cups really made for a terrible sesh late last week. It was downright embarrassing. The cleaning mode and 5min cool down just turned it in a waiting game. Kind of the opposite of chill.

I'm glad others are still enjoying theirs. It's not a terrible device. I just don't think it works for me.

 

[stickstones]

@stickstones, do you know if they are shooting for the vaporizer market, the combustors or somewhere in between?
I thought it was called the Switch because it was capable of vaporizing flower and concentrate but perhaps it was always geared towards folks that are currently combusting and are considering switching to vaporization.

I don't know what their plan for that is. If I were running the marketing, it would be tagged as an e-rig/e-bong for smokers and dabbers. I'd let the community discussion drive the pyrolysis interest and start working on a convection or hybrid attachment for dry herbs.

 

[Vapxr]

I don't know what their plan for that is. If I were running the marketing, it would be tagged as an e-rig/e-bong for smokers and dabbers. I'd let the community discussion drive the pyrolysis interest and start working on a convection or hybrid attachment for dry herbs.

I agree and definitely think there needs to be an attachment for the herb

 

[biohacker]

I'd let the community discussion drive the pyrolysis

We all use pyrolysis every single day with our vaporizers? Pyrolysis is a solid (trichs) turning into a gas (vapour) via heat?. Why must it get more complex than that?

 

[WelshBrok]

We all use pyrolysis every single day with our vaporizers? Pyrolysis is a solid (trichs) turning into a gas (vapour) via heat?. Why must it get more complex than that?

I thought pyrolysis was thermal decomposition of materials in an inert atmosphere. None of my current vapes can do that, they all involve non-inert atmosphere being pulled through them.

 

[biohacker]

I thought pyrolysis was thermal decomposition of materials in an inert atmosphere. None of my current vapes can do that, they all involve non-inert atmosphere being pulled through them.

This is what popped up, first thing on google:

"decomposition brought about by high temperatures."

When you see smoke or "vapour" coming off a piece of wood, even if it's not technically burning yet - that's pyrolysis. Wood doesn't burn, the gasses do (from pyrolysis).

I think everyone is overthinking this all.... again, if it looks like smoke, tastes like smoke, it's probably smoke. It's really not a big caramilk type of secret. No need to head to the lab... it is what it is, and some people love it, but most here on FC that have been around a while and seek herbal VAPORIZERS that are regulated to PREVENT what's going on with the Switch won't.

Then again, according to the polls, about 10% of FC STILL COMBUSTS!

 

[HerbieVonVapster]

but most here on FC that have been around a while and seek herbal VAPORIZERS that are regulated to PREVENT what's going on with the Switch won't

Totally agree for me it's about adding something unique that I don't already have in my collection. I don't really have a good home oil device. Plus the herb burning vaping pyrolysis whatever it's doing has me interested enough I want to try it. Plus down the road there be a better herb vaping add-ons.

 

[WelshBrok]

This is what popped up, first thing on google:

"decomposition brought about by high temperatures."

When you see smoke or "vapour" coming off a piece of wood, even if it's not technically burning yet - that's pyrolysis. Wood doesn't burn, the gasses do (from pyrolysis).

I think everyone is overthinking this all.... again, if it looks like smoke, tastes like smoke, it's probably smoke. It's really not a big caramilk type of secret. No need to head to the lab... it is what it is, and some people love it, but most here on FC that have been around a while and seek herbal VAPORIZERS that are regulated to PREVENT what's going on with the Switch won't.

Then again, according to the polls, about 10% of FC STILL COMBUSTS!

The first line of the Wikipedia page says “pyrolysis is the thermal decomposition of materials at elevated temperatures in an inert atmosphere”.

And then this bit made me think vaporising and pyrolysis are two different processes:

“In contrary to combustion and gasifications processes, which involve entire or partial oxidation of material, pyrolysis bases on heating in the absence of air. This makes it mostly endothermic process that ensure high energy content in the products received.

Pyrolysis products always produce solid (charcoal, biochar), liquid and non-condensable gases (H2, CH4, CnHm, CO, CO2 and N). “


Edit: I didn’t mean to derail the thread talking about pyrolysis again, just interested in the science and from my interpretation didn’t think it was something we did everyday nor is it as simple as heating trichs to gases. Interested in the switch, but I’ve already got a good at home flower/dab combo with the flowerpot anyway.

 

[clukx]

So. Basically, buy a dedicated enail, and a flower vape and a bong for the same price as the switch

 

[wall]

So. Basically, buy a dedicated enail, and a flower vape and a bong for the same price as the switch

Or get a Flower pot This is some interesting reading. I love this about cannabis in general right now, its fun to know that we are somewhat pioneering methods and discovering different effects and methods of doing things. It's interesting to see this develop, sounds like to me its a different way to smoke flower with out lighting it up, for some people that wont be an issue but I do think it needs to be marketed that way

 

[Baron23]

I put wood chips into a metal box on the gas grill. The wood chips don’t catch on fire. They turn to coal. They are not on fire. Not full, true combustion. They churn out smoke. Different? than full on burning a blaze smoke? Maybe.. but it’s smoke. smell, taste, ect

Definition of combustion from Websters. Flame is not necessary to declare combustion and indeed combustion is a process that proceeds at widely varying speeds and hence looks a lot different. For example, they mention slow oxidation as a form of combustion. But smokeless gunpowder is NOT an high explosive but rather is extremely rapid combustion and this distinguishes itself from high explosives that react even much faster and are caused by a shock wave propogated through the material breaking high energy bonds.

I personally think we (incl me) are splitting hairs a bit too finely here. Walks like a duck, etc...yeah?

Oh, as for inert atmosphere...I really think I need to throw a flag on the "no oxygen" claim. Where did the oxygen go? Its not a sealed oven (we do draw gas from it, righ? air comes in and air goes out via the MP somehow) and its not like all of the air (to incl oxygen) is being pumped out. So, how is this supposed to be an oxygen free oven???

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