Pen DNA 40 mod

[mrweed]

Today I’ve stumbled upon the DNA 40 ecig mod, which features temperature control (200-600°F)!

So I guess this thing must work with dry herbs, as well.

Has anybody ever used such a mod with herbs, successfully and if yes what kind of atomizer do you use to vape dry herbs.

Should be something without an exposed coil or something with a screen in between.

seems like there are a few other mods with a similar temp control feature (for example cloupor t6)

 

[Sativen]

Today I’ve stumbled upon the DNA 40 ecig mod, which features temperature control (200-600°F)!

So I guess this thing must work with dry herbs, as well.

Has anybody ever used such a mod with herbs, successfully and if yes what kind of atomizer do you use to vape dry herbs.

Should be something without an exposed coil or something with a screen in between.

seems like there are a few other mods with a similar temp control feature (for example cloupor t6)

Can you please show the how the atomizer looks like, i think with a e-cig MOD should comes with a atomizer to vaporizing/burning the Herb.If the atomizer is a convection type will be good as most of the e-cig atomizer are build with heating coils. wraped with cotton or wicks for liquid. but maybe a good choice for dabbing.

 

[mrweed]

i think with the right atomizer this should work with a coil as well, pretty much like the elevape.
i mean a coil at the right temperature should not burn your herbs.

this mod does not come with an atomizer, but it supports 510 threading. I can imagine that even the Atomizers from the classic Atmos Raw might work with it

 

[MikeInMiami]

In order to use the tempurature control settings with any DNA40 mod, the coil must be made out of nickle wire (Ni200 IIRC). So if you can find a rebuildable dry herb atomizer, then in theory, it should work. I myself, have never seen such an atomizer.

 

[mrweed]

I really don’t know much about ecigs, atomizers and coils… but you do @MikeInMiami, I guess!

There is another mod coming out soon, called the vaporshark and the manufacturer says: “Temperature control fit for all coils, Nichrome And Kanthal!”

Are there any nichrome or kanthal atomizers for herbs that might work (sorry, I don’t know the difference!)?
maybe @divinetribe has something like this?!

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

I think you should be after ceramic donut heater with nichrome wire .. if there is such thing .
You can also check yocan dry herb carts.. http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/06...k-spare-heating-coils-5-pack.jpg?v=1410889349

 

[stickstones]

you got a link, @mrweed ?

 

[MikeInMiami]

Vaporshark uses the same DNA40 board, so unless they have something extra special coming out I don't think anything kanthal will work. But again, that's based off what I know and I don't claim to know a whole lot

 

[mrweed]

you got a link, @mrweed ?

sorry for the late reply! i believe this company has produced the circuit board all these plenty dna40 mods are based on http://www.evolvapor.com/
the ecig market is very complex, I think... from what I have understood so far is you could build your own heating element with Nichrome wire, but there is no company who sells such atomizers atm.
however, i think this could be a great tool for homemade vapes and I'm sure someone will come up with an functional diy atomizer anytime soon.
technically it should be possible. might even work with an rebuildable atomizer, nichrome wire and a screen. but again, I'm no expert in this market

sadly, I'm not allowed to talk about this on ecig boards, would love to learn more about it

 

[fregglepops]

listen guys its an e cig mod. not for herbs. the dna 40 is for use with ni200wire and e liquid only. The temp control is there to kinda stop you getting a burnt hit. A burnt hit is where your cotton is dry and it sucks ass. there are not many reviews ou yet as it is buggy as hell. it doesn't have full temp control. rather you sett the temp and then the chip will use the wattage to get to temp quicker or slower. Like i say none of the GOOD e cig reviewers have reviewed it seriously as it is really really buggy. seriously guys not for herbs. And there are several hundred rebuildable attys......for e liquid.........not herbs. I believe cloupor tried to bring one out called the m3 but it combusted not vaped and it wasnt rebuildable. Also for the price of a dna board alone(without mod) you could get a smiss fm v5. But if you are that despertae to try it @mrweed try vapin donuts by fat daddy vapes..........ceramic donuts used if you cant build yr own coils. I think yr barkin up the wrong tree tho dude and its not nichrome the temp sensing works with its NICKEL200. and its exactly that temp sensing.....not full control and temp sensing ONLY works with NICKEL not kanthal or nichrome or the donuts so basically leave it alone. For somebody who has all those vape you really ken feck all do ya? FUD!...........not been on here in ages and i log in to read this, from a vape reviewer?

 

[mrweed]

thanks for clarifying and sorry for dissapointing you.

 

[fregglepops]

You only disappoint me when I see stuff like this. The DNA40 is alledgedly the major advance in e CIG technology that is gonna make it safer. Last thing we need in the e CIG community is some dude trying to work out how to use it for pot. With 2016 and EU and fda rulings due on the matter the DNA 40 is evolvs attempt at getting rid of some of the unknowns like how hot does the coil in an e CIG get. Sorry bout my rant. I am a bit passionate about my e cigs. They got me off tabs after 20years. So @mrweed I apologise for my tirade

 

[mrweed]

Yes, that's pretty much what they've said to me on the ecig boards, too. I can understand your feelings, but from my point of view these markets will collide sooner or later anyway (example: V2 Series 3 7 9).

 

[fregglepops]

Maybe you're right but I couldn't see it happening on a grand scale or totally legit either. Too much at stake ATM with all the unknown regs away to be imposed on e cigs. The vhit boom tried to kinda bring tech from both sides but was kinda not up to par as per usual. I feel that the 2 industries should stay that way. Two. No blurred lines are needed imo. Edit yeah you won't get any help from e liquid capers. Espesh on reddit. Judgemental as fuck the e CIG crowd I've found anyway. Especially the reddit mob. I dunno I can see both sides. I've often thought about what money I could save if I could use my e CIG mods. But the tech just advent nailed it yet. I prefer having separate devices. I think? Hahaha. Most devices with genuine(not Chinese clone,) DNA boards are high end e CIG mods and cost about the same as a good herb vape. The hana modz box in the PIC you posted is about 200dollars. Jus buy a solo. Haha

 

[RastaBuddhaTao]

I have a friend who runs an ecig store and bought an official Hanna 40 mod... I hope I'm ok saying this withy mfg badge since an ecig mfg but he problems with the device and the service. I recently worked with the DNA-30 and a 100 watt box mod in attempts to use them in a flower unit and had issues in that the the worlds are in deed different. Since the ecig user gets so much vapor so fast the blast 3-4 second hits. With a flower unit it's much longer and controlled especially of your a sipper sometimes 10 seconds. So many of the box mods will deliver the power for a few seconds but will over temp on a longer flower hit. I was only able to run the 100 watt unit at half power without it over hearing. I eventually went with a tried and true DC/DC buck converter from GE that is rated for 85 degrees C and put it in it's own compartment away from the heater element. I have run the chip continuously as part of some endurance testing such that it was hot to the touch with no issues. Fancy screens with wattages, current, voltage, temperatures and battery charge state is all opportunities for failure. If you make the unit intuitive and engaging and develop a more organic user interface and experience you really can do more with less

 

[fregglepops]

Plus the board was rushed out and there have been issues.

 

[BeardedCrow]

I don't see any clash between the 2 cultures, i see them sharing batteries soon.

I have used batteries to vape both nicotine and cannabis (oil atoms from dispensaries).

I hope to see better atoms at dispensaries or fill it yourself cannabis glycerins at dispensaries.

 

[RastaBuddhaTao]

Agreed... In fact many in the ecig community consider themselves poly vapors and the local ecig store just added a big addition for herbal. I am currently using the batteries (18650 lithium) and DC/DC from the ecig mod world in a project I am working on. Tons of power and extremely reliable.

 

[BeardedCrow]

I mean, eventually, they'll have a volcano vape that's smaller than a smartphone.

Or imagine a guitar pick sized device that let's you get a few doses before being disposed.

 

[fregglepops]

18650 s are about it really as far as sharing goes. The big big players. Like evolv, innokin, and the american modders like house of hybrids etc won't touch cannabis. DC-DC? Would that be one of the IPV s you're using?

 

[RastaBuddhaTao]

18650 s are about it really as far as sharing goes. The big big players. Like evolv, innokin, and the american modders like house of hybrids etc won't touch cannabis. DC-DC? Would that be one of the IPV s you're using?

Yeh I don't see a company doing both but the technologies will cross over. Yeh DC to DC keeps a constant voltage as the battery voltage drops as they discharge which will could lead to temperature drop. This will result in uneven vaporization unless you are running an active control. GE and Murrata make a really nice chip and of course there are the Chinese knock-offs on eBay

 

[fregglepops]

I know about DC power. Pwm sucks on an e CIG mod

 

[RastaBuddhaTao]

pwm is tuff as you are at the mercy of the response time of your sensors and controls. No pwm for me... I chose to go open loop on my device and focus on a rock solid heater design for thermal consistency. More of an organic approach

 

[rayl90125]

You only disappoint me when I see stuff like this. The DNA40 is alledgedly the major advance in e CIG technology that is gonna make it safer. Last thing we need in the e CIG community is some dude trying to work out how to use it for pot. With 2016 and EU and fda rulings due on the matter the DNA 40 is evolvs attempt at getting rid of some of the unknowns like how hot does the coil in an e CIG get. Sorry bout my rant. I am a bit passionate about my e cigs. They got me off tabs after 20years. So @mrweed I apologise for my tirade

Hey fregglepops I favor the Arizer Solo but also am a passionate ecig vaper (actually mostly use small box mods).

All I'm going to do is make a vegetable glycerin tincture using dry ice extraction concentrates (kief) to make my e-juice, may also use PG (proplyene glycol). PG added with VG can make it more potent along with some other advantages but I happen to be a bit sensitive to PG and most likely will just use VG.

Getting something with the new ecig vape box mods with the temp sensing chip as well. New Yihi SX Mini M Class coming out in mid-March or with DNA 40 chip like the Vapor Flask Dna 40, Vapor Shark rDNA (40W Version) or XPV DNA-40D. Many seem to prefer 28 gauge Ni200 wire for this. I like the RDAs (rebuildable dripping atomizers) such as Veritas, Plume Veil, Magma, Lemo, Luxe, Dark Horse, Aeolus & Origen and some others as well as the tank atomizers like Aspire Atlantis (they have prebuilt atomizer heads w/Ni200 temperature sensing coils) & Joyetech Delta II.

Here's some info on making VG tinctures: Papa Kief - Cannabis Consultant - Vegetable Glycerin THC extract also Cannabis, meet Glycerin…

You also should 1st decarb the weed in the oven on low setting:

"To start with you're going to want finely sifted hash or kief. Find your oven safe ceramic dish, mine is used heavily and often so you'll notice throughout my tutorials that I don't bother cleaning it.. why remove those glands after all, when I can reduce their loss by leaving the same amount behind with each use. I just pop it in the fridge when I'm done with it, knowing I'll be using it again in a few days or a week.

Preheat oven, to 220 f. Sprinkle your hash evenly over the dish, and double seal WELL, with aluminum foil. Set a timer for 20 minutes, place the sealed dish on a baking sheet, in the oven, during pre-heat.. it isn't entirely necessary, but heating slowly reduces the risk of shattering your dish, and losing your precious material.

The same applies to the end of the heating, turn off the oven, open it briefly, then close it and allow it to cool slowly within the oven for 10 minutes. Total decarb time, 30 minutes (20 of which, the oven is ‘on’).

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Decarbing is a touchy issue for many folks, some know they need it but don't know the methods and practices that cause decarbing, some aren't aware of it at all, others think it's unnecessary and 'know' they get some amount of effect from eating bud on its own, here's why: some herb, if it's old, commercial, over-dry, whatever the reason, for a variety of reasons, some herb is already partially, or even full decarbed. The process begins happening, very gradually, the moment you cut a plant down and begin depriving it of water. The older the bud is, and the drier it gets, the more carbon dioxide and water vapor is released, and the closer it is to removing the carboxyl group. It's something that is almost never discussed publicly, but is frequently known in professional kitchens.

The fresher the herb, or the more moist the storage conditions, the more necessary and extensive the decarbing process needs to be. Loose hash, separated from plant matter, in general needs a bit less decarbing." From link: BadKat's CannaPharm: Medical Grade Oil

NOTE: just using the oven method for decarb from this link above as they also use soy lecithin which is also in oil for cooking that can NOT be safely vaped.

Hope this helps. Was a member in this forum as Stonefree or something similar but couldn't get back in after a while of being inactive and getting invalid results to reset password.

 

[rayl90125]

Oh forgot to add the Aspire Nautilus Mini & Kanger SubTank are also great performing vape tanks & also have option for Ni200 coils for the temp control sensing circuits (w/newer Yihi & Evolv DNA 40 chips) in those new mods that are out and that's already prebuilt into the atomizer head. Replacement atomizer heads come in packs of 5 for about $18 at Vapor Shark, also some other sites have them.

Also if you pick a good tank and/or know how to rebuild coils the right way and use your vape properly, temp control isn't as much as a necessary safety feature. Still it's neat you can't even burn a dry wick with the temp control option. I personally like it and it can be turned off if you want to use other coils made from Kanthal wire instead of Ni200 wire.