StickyShisha2
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im not up on what changes there will be with 3.0, but the 2.5/2.7 works great.
of course i'm going to get a 3.x eventually anyway.
of course i'm going to get a 3.x eventually anyway.
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It's probably been discussed but what is the difference in the 2.5 and 2.7???
i'm thinking the 2.7 because i know what im doing enough to not destroy it immediately with too much power but still curious
The 2.7 says not to use above 11 watts and i have a pen that maxes out at 13.5 watts so i was hoping i could just use that in the sub-10 watt range on the 2.7
StickyShisha2
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they changed the mouthpiece. i'm not convinced it improves anything. same heater. runs best between 12 and 13.3w for me
edit to add; i hope i'm not starting any drama by recommending such high wattage
edit to add; i hope i'm not starting any drama by recommending such high wattage
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fernand
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@StickyShisha, the wattage on these TC controllers only serves to limit the power applied as the coil is ramped up to temperature. So a change from 12 to 13.3 W is only making the ascent steeper. Once it hits temp limit, it will back off, and then ramp up again (at the max power you allow), off again, and so on. So you end up with a faster warm-up and a sharper oscillation. No real change in actual temperature. If you set the wattage really low, you'll see it either takes forever to reach temp, or never even gets there.
That, BTW, is the advantage of the controllers that include a wattage setting in TC mode. The older designs would always blast full wattage during ramp-up, making the oscillation bigger, and not allowing a more subtle adjustment.
That, BTW, is the advantage of the controllers that include a wattage setting in TC mode. The older designs would always blast full wattage during ramp-up, making the oscillation bigger, and not allowing a more subtle adjustment.
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I actually have been running my donuts at 18-21w in TC mode as suggested by @OF and it only stays there for a moment. The coil never gets red hot due to the TC cut off and the wattage drops quickly. Works better IMO and hasn't burned the atomizer out in the week I have been trying it. In power mode I use 15w to clean it and that puts much more strain on the coil than the 21w in TC mode.
Is the DT 3.0 supposed to be a full ceramic cup that heats like the Puffco Plus or what?
Is the DT 3.0 supposed to be a full ceramic cup that heats like the Puffco Plus or what?
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AVENTUS
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That would be a very welcome development !
OF
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No, not enough for the DT.
Glad you got the Pico going, I agree, serious advantages size/weight wise.
IIRC the manual suggests charging outside 'where it's faster'. I charge in the unit as the USB charger is all set up and used for lots of other vapes as well.
As to speed, they seem to charge at about .8 Amps, faster than many 'outside chargers', slower than some.
I think that's true enough, but doesn't tell the whole story. Burnout is one way to kill heaters like this, too rapid a heating is another. If you heat the metal element very quickly, before the ceramic substrate and glazing have a chance to also heat and expand damage at the atomic level can happen. "Cycles" kill machines sometimes rather than other factors, which is why big airplanes lose tails and other body parts from 'cycle fatigue'. 13.3 Watts is probably OK, but I'd definitely not go higher even for a few seconds every time it heats up. Didn't Matt say something to the effect that all the failed units he'd seen had been run over 14 Watts?
Must be some other OF, this one is not recommending that much power. 12 Watts in TC mode using 245 as the "TCR Value" when you can is my advice. As they age, some attys seem to need a bit more power, I'll go to 12.5 Watts or so if they can't reach 390F in the 10 second limit with a modest load. Heavy loads can slow heating.
Your unit is, of course, yours to do with as you see fit. But my advice is 12 Watts not "18-21".
OF
StickyShisha2
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i have been playing with a piece of clear tubing, while dialing in the TCR values, with much success.
looking for smooth even vapor production without the gaps of being too cool for a moment.
one donut i have works perfectly at 390f tcr=249, another donut works best at tcr=235
consistent results with different concentrates. this TC thing seems to work.
looking for smooth even vapor production without the gaps of being too cool for a moment.
one donut i have works perfectly at 390f tcr=249, another donut works best at tcr=235
consistent results with different concentrates. this TC thing seems to work.
I've gone ahead and bought a FC bundle of the deep dish 2.7 with the eleaf. Figured that is pretty cheap and if it's the recommended battery that is a good deal. I've spent more on attachments for pen vapes that sucked so i'm hoping this one will make me happy.
Is that one able to replace the battery cells if they get old and grey?
Is that one able to replace the battery cells if they get old and grey?
StickyShisha2
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the tc40w doesn't appear to have a replaceable cell.
the pico uses 1 18650 cell, which it didn't come with.
edited to add: BE SURE TO TURN DOWN THE POWER from the 40W factory set-up!!!
i know of a few people who killed their heater on the first hit.
the pico uses 1 18650 cell, which it didn't come with.
edited to add: BE SURE TO TURN DOWN THE POWER from the 40W factory set-up!!!
i know of a few people who killed their heater on the first hit.
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OF
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Yes, the TC40W has an internal cell that can't be changed by the owner, although that allows it to be a bit smaller.
While it's a great idea to 'turn down the power' this is not an available feature with the TC40W when in TC mode.. It's probably better to use it in VW mode at 12 Watts or so rather than trying to do TC using the Ni range (where it comes on at 40 Watts). This (ability to set lower power), along with user defined 'TCR' values, is I think what makes the Pico, VTC Mini, Cuboid and the rest such 'naturals' to drive the DC Attys.
OF
OF
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With TC40W I think you should stick to VW mode and avoid TC mode. No need to 'back down' from 12 Watts aside from learning advantages. 12 Watts should serve you well, it did me and a LOT of others before we started messing with TC mods.
I think the TC40W is an excellent and solid unit. Very compact and easy to use. FWIW, while the silicone 'skins' are nice, I really like the 'leather' version for this mod:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/US-Seller-F...Leather-Case-Sleeve-Cover-Pouch-/121903062879
By all means enjoy your gear when it gets there, you've made an excellent choice IMO. Feed it well and treat it gently and it'll reward you over and over and over.
OF
fernand
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@OF, that's a good point about stress, yeah yeah, but when wattage wasn't available in TC mode on the first generation TC units, and it was available on the KangXin MiniVFs and all the devices that used the same chip, like the Heatvape Invader Mini, y'all as I recall didn't want to hear that setting wattage with TC was useful, or even made sense !
OF
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I think you'll find I tried the Invader and at first recommended it. In fact I bought a second one to 'loan out' and use for another project. Then a friend 'bricked' it somehow and I found smaller, lighter mods that were more reliable (RX200, Pico, Cuboid, Mini and so on). I tend to not recommend unit's I haven't personally tried and found success with.
I think the idea should be to find the most effective mods (and that includes size, price, reliability, utility and such) for this use. A somewhat moving target. While some mods will work, others might work better? And, as always with a bit of justification of the advantages so our fellows can make more informed decisions.
OF
Vape Donkey 650
All vape, no smoke please.
You guys know I'm always looking for nice little TC mods as well. Like you said, some will work, others work better.
Some that work, but not "Better" I would list:
The artery nugget, istick 40w TC, and vaporesso target 40w TC
I still want to post a full review of the little target but too busy: but here's the preview:
3/5 stars. Why? Can't set watts on TC mode, always starts at 40 like the istick
And for the ones that are "better", we know pretty well which mods those are.
I'm sure there's plenty more that work fine with DT, and I'd love to hear about it from anyone that knows. Because the inferior TC mods that are sluggish with the wattage and hovers too long at high watts, or won't let you set it, will burn your oil / crust your donuts, while the swift ones will handle higher watts in TC mode just fine and won't harm your donuts as they warm up near-instantly
And yet still, for the last 20-30 pages or so, people continue to ask, and we continue to reply:
evic VTC, pico, cuboid! mini! and for steven, presa
Joyetech also has re-released the old evic VT with newer firmware, upgradeable, can sett watts, and so forth. They're calling it the VTwo, while the VTC is now the VTwo Mini.
Besides color, the only difference I can notice between the VTC and VTwo Mini is "dual circuit protection" which is more "Safe and reliable"What do you think OF? Marketing, or a real upgrade?
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OF
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What do you think OF? Marketing, or a real upgrade?
I'm still messing with mine, as of right now I'm thinking it's just software, the hardware seems the same and I bet you can 'upgrade' the original to show the clock?
BTW, that feature is pretty lame IMO. First it's not available in TC mode and I've yet to find a useful way to 'check the time' with it. The display shows a bit more information.
Real upgrade in SW but IMO not all that useful? I cannot recommend replacing your Mini........
OF
Vape Donkey 650
All vape, no smoke please.
Hey, did I get an upgrade in status or did OF publish a new study in TC wattages that I missed?
I have been playing with the new steel pico @ 18w TCR vs. the 20w I was using earlier. I was surprised that a mere 2w difference affected warm up time alot: about 2.5-3 seconds vs. 1.5-2 second. (estimating by screen cycles on the display) Based on that, I've went back to 20w. If I had as much respect for the pico's response time to counter the watts oscillation, I'd give it 25w like my evics and cubes.
No drama, but I would be careful going higher than 12w in VW mode (not TC mode) to clean your donut, or to vape on. Maybe you can get away with it, but it's not really necessary, and won't accomplish anything you can't do with 12w. Even when cleaning at 12w VW, I wouldn't keep it glowing red hot for many seconds at a time, only long enough to burn off the crust and heat any reclaim oil that may have leaked into the base, so it can run out.
Nope, just a larger version of what we already are using; a donut in a cup. The donut gets hot, not the cup, but it will be rebuildable, and come in small / medium / large sizes
Interesting that you are talking about ramp up times, oscillations, etc. I was browsing some of those DIY herb heater threads over here, and people are posting oscilloscope charts of their mods (many evics) running their custom herb ovens. I would love to see someone hook up the DT 2.5 with an evic, pico, cuboid, etc, to an oscilloscope, run at various TC wattages, and see the results.
I don't even know how those things work
But I'd postulate that on the better mods, the wattage oscillations at reasonable ranges would be minimal, and limited mostly to the first 2-3 seconds of the hit. I'd bet that a 12w and 20w TC hit look almost the same after the first 4 seconds, but we'd need to test that to find out, right? 
Also, I'd hypothesize that using intermediately higher TC wattages, like, say, 14-17w, may be more detrimental to your donut longevity, especially on a mod with suspect TC performance, and repeated use, because these medium wattages will still take a long time to heat up your donut, and will have to stay there longer, unlike 20-30w, which is a mere blip on the oscilloscope, and, I can verify
, is safe.Actually, I wasn't talking about the clock. That's pure marketing-BS, and I'd actually like to disable that feature if I could. (flappy birds?) No reason to go out and rush to get a new evic for sure, but the new colors are nice.
I was talking about THIS:
This feature is apparently absent from the VTC, but the cuboids and VTwo's & Minis have it
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You guys know I'm always looking for nice little TC mods as well. Like you said, some will work, others work better.
Some that work, but not "Better" I would list:
The artery nugget, istick 40w TC, and vaporesso target 40w TC
I still want to post a full review of the little target but too busy: but here's the preview:
3/5 stars. Why? Can't set watts on TC mode, always starts at 40 like the istick
And for the ones that are "better", we know pretty well which mods those are.
I'm sure there's plenty more that work fine with DT, and I'd love to hear about it from anyone that knows. Because the inferior TC mods that are sluggish with the wattage and hovers too long at high watts, or won't let you set it, will burn your oil / crust your donuts, while the swift ones will handle higher watts in TC mode just fine and won't harm your donuts as they warm up near-instantly
And yet still, for the last 20-30 pages or so, people continue to ask, and we continue to reply:
evic VTC, pico, cuboid! mini! and for steven, presa
Joyetech also has re-released the old evic VT with newer firmware, upgradeable, can sett watts, and so forth. They're calling it the VTwo, while the VTC is now the VTwo Mini.
What do you think OF? Marketing, or a real upgrade?
I have 2 of the Vtwo minis. If you want to compare anything let me know.
Guys I 100% hear you on the TC vs wattage modes and I greatly appreciate the advice.
I'm doing more reading of the last 20-30 pages now to get ready for delivery of my own device..
The only thing i'm still curious about regarding using wattage mode versus TC mode, is has anyone's DT blown out from using it in TC mode as is suggested on the directions posted on the ineedhemp site; or is the suggestion to start at 12w in wattage mode because it's known safer and more time tested than the TC mode?
I've had a hercules before so I think I can figure this guy out I just am curious if TC has blown up people's DT's or not.
I'm doing more reading of the last 20-30 pages now to get ready for delivery of my own device..
The only thing i'm still curious about regarding using wattage mode versus TC mode, is has anyone's DT blown out from using it in TC mode as is suggested on the directions posted on the ineedhemp site; or is the suggestion to start at 12w in wattage mode because it's known safer and more time tested than the TC mode?
I've had a hercules before so I think I can figure this guy out I just am curious if TC has blown up people's DT's or not.
OF
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Sorry, don't buy it.
What happens if you keep charging past 'full' (leave it plugged into a USB port)? Mine cuts charging when the battery is up to 100%. In fact, it follows the normal profile I first explored with Solo (full current until final voltage then tapering current to 10% of initial value) so the 'Gadget' I built to limit charging automatically works fine here once converted from 12 to 5 VDC.
What happens to yours when the battery is completely flat? Mine cuts off, protecting the battery, same as most any other vape?
Sorry, I find both those protections in the Mini.......I smell Sales Hype (someone open a window, please). I see the same features on all the mods we're considering????
Actually both I think. Guys have damaged doughnuts hammering them with 40 Watts on startups, and the 12 Watt limit suggestion is based on that. Both are true?
OF
OF
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My curiosity is satisfied. Thanks @OF.
We will see if I burn out a doughnutbut i must wait until Friday for delivry...
You're welcome.
Set it for 12 Watts in VW mode and I bet you can't burn it out......'on a (proverbial) bet'........
Keep it between the ditches and take it easy on the clutch and you'll get a lot of great miles out of it.
OF
I almost regretted not paying extra for priority mail for it to get here early, but it still showed up in two days 
Now I need to get to letting the battery to charge and power watching some YT demo videos... but this is great because I wanted to take it on an adventure tomorrow
Now I need to get to letting the battery to charge and power watching some YT demo videos... but this is great because I wanted to take it on an adventure tomorrow