Custom Glass Ideas/Designs Thread
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tennstrong
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Better for oil this way, hamm is pretty legendary so the design and height are for a reason.
Tiny note,
Any chance we can make it a bit bigger?
I was expecting it to be 14-16 inches tall, not 12.
The mini pillar is gonna be around 10 or so isn't it?
Either way, that looks awesome
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Monsoon
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Yeah I was hoping we'd have more than one vendor doing customs to spread out our fab eggs so to speak, maybe for the next piece? I think having multiple members work with a single seller on behalf of FC should be avoided where possible so as to not complicate each other's efforts and ensures we have options if one seller goes to shit or pulls a Doughboy.
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I see no problem with it, if stevenlmz79 doesn't, isn't it ultimately his business that fails or profits? Who here is representing FC? I've seen no polls or votes, just ideas thrown around, or did I miss something? Likes shouldn't count for votes.
The other two pieces being "designed", the Diffusion pump and SG peyotte pillar are straight copies of the originals correct? Wasn't that the purpose of this Concept thread and finding a glass vendor to work with us, to design something we want, not copy another artist's ideas to the T?
1 month and 21 pages later, the Matrix Pillar is born.
Should we expect water test videos today?
EverythingsHazy
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Wow, five minutes after asking, lol.
Is that the same Matrix from the 2nd gen FC-187? Maybe it's just the water, looks bigger.
beastcoast
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so many matrix's
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That matrix recycler is beyond cool but the perc needs to be a up a about a half inch higher
photobooth
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Stereo matrix and the matrix pillar look great, going to be hard to resist...
Couple notes/suggestions for the recycler: I think the matrix perk needs to be moved up in the can, it is displacing too much water being so low and risks flowing up the return tube. They could also increase the size of the funnel slightly, that would help prevent any splash on hard draws/clears. But the angles of dual funnel intakes look great, finally figuring out that elusive vortex
EDIT, haha beat me to it
Couple notes/suggestions for the recycler: I think the matrix perk needs to be moved up in the can, it is displacing too much water being so low and risks flowing up the return tube. They could also increase the size of the funnel slightly, that would help prevent any splash on hard draws/clears. But the angles of dual funnel intakes look great, finally figuring out that elusive vortex
EDIT, haha beat me to it
alltoreup
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Looking good. I agree on the recycler. Higher perc and even though they have opposing tubes to the funnel,they still have an almost straight connection to it if you look close. The GB242 connects straight to the funnel creating that angle of entry to the curved funnel that makes that fantastic vortex.
Still, to get those produced so quickly... Mad props...
Still, to get those produced so quickly... Mad props...
snackmaster
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Recycler in that state looks awfully delicate... Hope to see the design tightened up a bit to decrease likelihood of breaking during shipping.
I'm VERY impressed by the stereo matrix though. Curious to see what it'll cost. Edit: Guessing it's straight neck? That's slightly disappointing but not a deal breaker
I'm VERY impressed by the stereo matrix though. Curious to see what it'll cost. Edit: Guessing it's straight neck? That's slightly disappointing but not a deal breaker
cybrguy
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@Frederick McGuire Having shown your descriptive skills on the Diffusion Pump, would you mind pointing your communication tools at the Peyote Pillar? 
I'm still trying to get exactly how it works. For example do the tubes always have water moving in the same direction or do they trade off? Is the down moving water just gravity or is there pressure pushing it? Stuff like dat...
Edit: Obviously (after thinking) there can't be any downward pressure, but still...
I'm still trying to get exactly how it works. For example do the tubes always have water moving in the same direction or do they trade off? Is the down moving water just gravity or is there pressure pushing it? Stuff like dat...Edit: Obviously (after thinking) there can't be any downward pressure, but still...
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BoogerMan
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I agree with both of these. Raise the perc to maybe halfway up the can and make the recycling funnel a bit larger. Like this funnel (which the shape of this funnel will also help with vortex a lot from my experience):
Also I think the uptake tubes are a little long and stick out the sides way too much.
Why don't we shorten them up and not make them so curved so they don't stick out the side so much.
So the current design uses "C" style uptake tubes. I say we go with more of a slightly bent "I" style uptake tube (aka a less bent "C" style)...
More like these uptake tubes:
Anyone agree about using these uptake tubes and the larger elongated funnel?
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beastcoast
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Imo it looks like the matrix on the pillar is too powerful for that pillar placement/size and it's not functioning properly (not enough restriction for the perc). I think the matrix needs a little more clearance before the pillar section and regardless the pillar section needs to be larger. Thoughts?
ChiefKeefe
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Agreed^. Ive owned multiple different sov style pillars, worked and clear. Pillars need to be larger, more room for matrix to fire, and space above the pillars should be shorter not taller. Closer the bubbles pop to the mouthpiece more flavor, thats why people love the sov pillars. Huge rips that are smooth that dont sacrifice flavor. I would
oli
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So here is a rough copy with adjustments to discuss (I have made 03 with a cone can, could it help?) Bearing in mind the arms been ugly but hey its a sketch
Yes, strange?
I think we need @blankrider to come and give his opinion on this one cause I do not believe that, this is what he signed off for but to be honest I can't remember where the conversation was left ???
Also agree on the uptake tubes, and the high Perc...
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The water in the pillars go both ways. The DI intake joint leads to the middle section which is separated from the bottom section by a wall of glass that hold the Matrix Perc and pillars in place, kinda like the D-021 but inverted:
The matrix perc pulls air in from the middle chamber/DI and feeds it into the pillars. The water travels up the pillar and pools above the pillars, causing a sprinkler type percolation. After clearing, the water then sinks back into the bottom chamber down through the pillars. MW has some better images that might help wrap your head around the idea in his Itza Pillar thread.
It is quite a unique piece and I'm still amazed as much as the first time I seen a video.
I'd say it's hard to tell from just this video. Water levels might need adjusted or putting a vaporizer on the piece, he was pulling it dry w/o resistance. I almost thought for a second he was going to block the intake with his finger, ugh.
I agree the top section needs something done to it. No point in having all the extra room unless the bubbles stack that high. In a genuine Pillar it looks like they do something to make the top chamber hold more water.
EverythingsHazy
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The reason the top part is bigger is so it can fill up with vapor for a big hit on the clear, vs with the mini-pillar and diffusion pump, where you are pretty much inhaling the vapor as it enters the piece without letting any volume build up (which is nice for dabs). Also to keep water out of the mouthpiece. I highly doubt anyone can tell a flavor difference based on a couple inches of size in the top chamber, since the vapor isn't going to be spending much time in it anyway. Despite being a large piece, the vapor isn't getting ridiculously diffused, because the entire middle chamber has no water in it, so flavor should be retained pretty well.
The water in the pillars go both ways. The DI intake joint leads to the middle section which is separated from the bottom section by a wall of glass that hold the Matrix Perc and pillars in place, kinda like the D-021 but inverted:
The matrix perc pulls air in from the middle chamber/DI and feeds it into the pillars. The water travels up the pillar and pools above the pillars, causing a sprinkler type percolation. After clearing, the water then sinks back into the bottom chamber down through the pillars. MW has some better images that might help wrap your head around the idea in his Itza Pillar thread.
It is quite a unique piece and I'm still amazed as much as the first time I seen a video.
I'd say it's hard to tell from just this video. Water levels might need adjusted or putting a vaporizer on the piece, he was pulling it dry w/o resistance. I almost thought for a second he was going to block the intake with his finger, ugh.
I agree the top section needs something done to it. No point in having all the extra room unless the bubbles stack that high. In a genuine Pillar it looks like they do something to make the top chamber hold more water.
Good description. Genuine pillars have a slightly more complicated top part of the pillars. I think there may have been a bit too much water in it, but he did cover it with his thumb, and it seemed to work pretty nicely. The water only shoots up in the beginning before he added the intake restriction. The pillars all appear to be firing pretty uniformly as well.
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What do you know, he did. At a glance I thought he was just hovering. And I've watched the video like 10 times, lol.
EverythingsHazy
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LOL Ik, me too! It's too cool!
I spoke with Steven and told him that the piece would work a bit better if he was able to add a little more height to the pillar section, as well as maybe another 1cm above the matrix perc (without changing the glass connection holding the perc to the bottom of the can), if possible. I had spoken to him over a week ago informing him about the original lower quality fc-187 matrix percs and he told me he was going to look for a new factory for those. It looks like he did, but it's not easy to see complicated glass details in pictures or videos.
I also asked about the release date for the first batch. As usual, I'll let you guys know when I get the final news. I don't like to give dates or make any promises without being sure first, to avoid getting people's hopes up in case something isn't doable.
Anony Moose
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A straight neck obviously has its own ergonomics depending on where you use it. That being said, I suspect it will help the stereo matrix perc fire more evenly. With a bent neck coming out of the side of the can like on a GB-186, on very slow draws the perc noticeably favors firing the holes on the side of the neck. It appears that with a medium to firm draw the perc fires evenly around the entire perc, but I'm sure that, mathematically speaking, the holes nearest the neck are still probably firing at a faster rate. I suspect this phenomenon wouldn't noticeably occur with a completely straight neck coming out of the top, but you've still got the issue of asymmetry with the downstem, so theoretically it still won't fire perfectly around the entire perc, but better than with a neck coming out of the side. The middle section of the stereo matrix does help shoot up the water and vapor at roughly a perpendicular angle to the perc, but I suspect there's still anomalies in the flow stemming from the asymmetry caused by the downstem location.
Pic attached is an incredibly rough drawing of a matrix perc design that, if constructed skillfully and perfectly symmetrical, should theoretically fire all of the holes (at least on the top level of holes) evenly. Obviously the drawback here is the dewar joint location doesn't really allow vapes to be used with it except via a hose, but from a functional standpoint, it's a solution to make a circular perc fire perfectly evenly. This would probably work quite well with a honeycomb or frit type perc as well.
snackmaster
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@Anony Moose, bents necks can come out the top of the can too, which is more what I was thinking. Or even a neck that's just kinda tilted like on a real Mobius.
