COVID-19 News

[EmDeemo]

I'm not arguing either point as I have come out differently. It's just this mask/no mask has become another schism of politics and there is no reason for it. If we're ever going to get past some of our differences, there's going to have to be some room for differences of opinion on the proper course of action. Look at those who argue for masks most vociferously here. I suspect, I know the sides they'll be on in political debates as well. What an odd coincidence.

You say wearing masks has become a political schism and there is no need for it and then in the very next breath call out people who want masks to be worn as 'just one side of the political debate' and make it sound like they're bound to be the opposite of you. Thats a lot of judgement about people you dont know purely because of their reaction to a deadly disease. Youre bringing politics into this and making it divisive.

You are creating the situation you decry.

 

[Tranquility]

You say wearing masks has become a political schism and there is no need for it and then in the very next breath call out people who want masks to be worn as 'just one side of the political debate' and make it sound like they're bound to be the opposite of you. Thats a lot of judgement about people you dont know purely because of their reaction to a deadly disease. Youre bringing politics into this and making it divisive.

You are creating the situation you decry.

No. I'm on the same side as you on masks (In that I wear them too.) and the completely different side when talking politics. I didn't call anyone out or make any judgement. (Logically, even if I did call a side out, you'd think it would be the opposite of the one's position I take.) It amazes me how often we can pick so many things and know how people are going to react to them based on politics. Masks are one example.

You will not be voting for Trump this year, right?

Look at the amazing prediction I made. My gosh, I'll be rich predicting the future.

Are you wrong to be afraid of the disease? Are you wrong to oppose Trump? No to both. Whatever set of circumstances or beliefs brings you to both of those places are as valid as the ones that brought me to mine. It's not judgmental to recognize reality, however. To refuse to recognize there is more than *SCIENCE!* behind those choices is also not realistic.

 

[EmDeemo]

You will not be voting for Trump this year, right?

Look at the amazing prediction I made. My gosh, I'll be rich predicting the future.

You need to look up the word judgement. Your reply shows a confusion over what word the means and then further judgement. Your comprehension skills of my posts, and skill of clairvoyance are quite low Im afraid, and all the clues were there! Youre going to remain quite poor, at least metaphorically speaking

You say you didnt judge, you say you dont understand this constant political divide and then judge me as definitely not a trump voter, and dance in the glory of your prediction

I dont even live in your country. Its a PANdemic, worldwide, yeah?

This thread isnt about politics, stop bringing it up and making things divisive.

 

[Tranquility]

You need to look up the word judgement. Your reply shows a confusion over what word the means and then further judgement. Your comprehension skills of my posts, and skill of clairvoyance are quite low Im afraid, and all the clues were there! Youre going to remain quite poor, at least metaphorically speaking

You say you didnt judge, you say you dont understand this constant political divide and then judge me as definitely not a trump voter, and dance in the glory of your prediction

I dont even live in your country. Its a PANdemic, worldwide, yeah?

This thread isnt about politics, stop bringing it up and making things divisive.

Fairest point. I must do the sad dance now.

With a mask.

Now, if you were in the U.S. would you vote for Trump?

(Preparing for my next sad dance.)

 

[EmDeemo]

Now, if you were in the U.S. would you vote for Trump?

This thread isnt about politics, stop bringing it up and making things divisive.

Totally, and utterly, off topic.

EDIT: You are also still attempting to judge me, now thru hypothetical questions. Pack it in! I'm not interested in it! Stop trying to make this about divisive politics, it really isnt this hard to comprehend

 

[Tranquility]

It's the Bee, so you know it's True. (Satire. The Babylon Bee is satire.)

Genius Trump Wears Mask Causing Media To Question Effectiveness Of Masks

BETHESDA, MD—President Trump really is playing 11D Settlers of Catan while the rest of us are playing 2D Tiddlywinks.

Wanting the nation to begin questioning the effectiveness of masks at stopping the spread of coronavirus, Trump put on a mask during a visit to a medical center, causing the media to investigate whether or not masks really work. Liberals everywhere were seen burning their masks and running around licking doorknobs to own Trump.

"Yes, masks seem to be effective at first blush, but do they really work?" said a CNN anchor. "The bad orange man is wearing a mask, so we have to wonder: do they really stop the coronavirus? What is it that he is hiding behind that sinister disguise?"

The media finally changed its tune from "Wear the d*mn mask" to "Well, let's look at the pros and cons of mask wearing," with the 4D chess expert President Trump having forced them to do their job of investigative reporting rather than parroting left-wing and government talking points.

"I was getting really annoyed with all the 'wear the mask' talk, so I decided to put one on so they'd come out against them," Trump said at a press conference. "I played the media like a fiddle. Well, I've never played a fiddle, but I was always told I had beautiful hands that would be perfect for the fiddle. I bet I'd be tremendous at the fiddle."

Just to have fun, Trump took off the mask in the middle of the press conference and then put it back on several times, causing the media to change their opinion on mask wearing over 17 times in three minutes.

 

[EmDeemo]

This is a news thread, not a satire thread.

 

[macbill]

Told to wear a mask at Kansas City area BBQ restaurant, man in MAGA hat flashes a gun
When an employee at RJ’s Bob-Be-Que Shack in Mission instructed a customer to wear a mask, he responded by flashing a gun. The employee said he was only trying to follow Kansas' statewide mask mandate and that the exchange felt like a threat.

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[Tranquility]

Vadodara administration drive: HCQ helping in containing Covid-19 cases, say docs as analysis begins

Until Wednesday, the Vadodara Municipal Corporation (VMC) has administered the drug to 3.42 lakh persons, including health workers and other frontline staff. Each of these persons has or will have completed the entire course of the drug — 400mg twice a day for the first dose and 400 mg per week for a minimum of three weeks.

Of this, the administration has analysed a sample of over 1 lakh residents, who were mostly close contacts of positive persons and the effect of HCQ in containing the transmission of the virus. According to the analysis, of the 48,873 close contacts of positive patients who took one dose of HCQ, 102 turned Covid-19 positive and 12 succumbed to the infection whereas 48 of the 17,776 close contacts of positive patients who took two doses of HCQ turned positive and only one died. The study also states that of the 33,563 close contacts of patients who took three HCQ doses, 43 tested positive and one died.

Authorities say that the analysis is ongoing as is the drive, in accordance with the ICMR recommendation for prophylactic use of HCQ. VMC Health Officer Dr Devesh Patel says, “The debate around HCQ is founded in the side effects of long term use of the drug for treatment of rheumatoid arthritis and other illnesses… So far, HCQ has not been used as a prophylactic… To us, it has shown positive results. We have the numbers and not one person has complained of complications. The only side effect reported is mild gastritis, which is common with administering heavy medicines and can be effectively handled.”


The major study that caused removal of FDA temporary approval for use of the drug for Covid. (Can still be used off label.)
Retraction and republication: cardiac toxicity of hydroxychloroquine in COVID-19
A recent Lancet Article by Mandeep Mehra and colleagues, which reported adverse events associated with hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine treatment in patients with COVID-19, has been retracted by three of the authors, along with our linked Comment that provided a commentary on the Article and its findings, because the veracity of the data underlying this observational study could not be assured by the study authors. Subsequently, an article that used data from the same Surgisphere database, and which was authored by some of the same individuals, was retracted from the New England Journal of Medicine. Nevertheless, the debate about hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19 continues. Here, we provide a discussion of what is currently known about its proven and potential harms.


An article that ties the two together and might help explain some of the sciency things. Be warned, the article used biased language and is not neutral in its WAG as to why it gets a little conspiratorial at the end.
HCQ Helps Contain COVID-19 Cases: New Evidence and a Major Retraction

 

[vtac]

Modnote: This thread is probably a good place to link this. Please read it. https://fuckcombustion.com/threads/lounge-moderation.17846/

Opinions and discussion are welcome here as long as the forum rules are adhered to.

If you're someone who is interested in an approachable source of credible information on COVID19 I again recommend this: https://fuckcombustion.com/threads/covid-19-news.49897/page-4#post-1489264

If someone else is ruining this thread for you, consider using the ignore feature. We could even get crazy and do some mutual thread bans where you can prevent another member from replying to this thread for a day. Of course you get banned as well.

Just be nice!

 

[EmDeemo]

Modnote: This thread is probably a good place to link this. Please read it. https://fuckcombustion.com/threads/lounge-moderation.17846/

Opinions and discussion are welcome here as long as the forum rules are adhered to.

If you're someone who is interested in an approachable source of credible information on COVID19 I again recommend this: https://fuckcombustion.com/threads/covid-19-news.49897/page-4#post-1489264

If someone else is ruining this thread for you, consider using the ignore feature. We could even get crazy and do some mutual thread bans where you can prevent another member from replying to this thread for a day. Of course you get banned as well.

Just be nice!

Ignore done! Good call

 

[Tranquility]

Here's someone claiming effective treatment. I believe the drug he's taking about is Pulmicort (https://www.drugs.com/pulmicort.html) which has the budesonide in it that he claims works. I think the generic is Rhinocort.

(Around 3 min in.)

 

[macbill]

I hope the above doctor is right. Still, before you buy OTC products, a proper study should and will be made.

Is inhaled steroid budesonide really ‘silver bullet’ for COVID-19?

KSAT asked Dr. Ruth Berggren, an infectious disease specialist at the UT Health San Antonio’s Long School of Medicine about claims that budesonide is the key to curing coronavirus cases.

“So this is a premature declaration of a cure,” Berggren said.

She said budesonide is a known medicine with important indications but says it should be studied before it’s widely used.

 

[EmDeemo]

I hope the above doctor is right. Still, before you buy OTC products, a proper study should and will be made.

Is inhaled steroid budesonide really ‘silver bullet’ for COVID-19?
KSAT asked Dr. Ruth Berggren, an infectious disease specialist at the UT Health San Antonio’s Long School of Medicine about claims that budesonide is the key to curing coronavirus cases.

“So this is a premature declaration of a cure,” Berggren said.

She said budesonide is a known medicine with important indications but says it should be studied before it’s widely used.

This cropped up a while ago I think, maybe a month or so ago, maybe more, in another news story. Thats the steroid I take daily for my shitty lungs.

 

[Tranquility]

I hope the above doctor is right. Still, before you buy OTC products, a proper study should and will be made.

Is inhaled steroid budesonide really ‘silver bullet’ for COVID-19?
KSAT asked Dr. Ruth Berggren, an infectious disease specialist at the UT Health San Antonio’s Long School of Medicine about claims that budesonide is the key to curing coronavirus cases.

“So this is a premature declaration of a cure,” Berggren said.

She said budesonide is a known medicine with important indications but says it should be studied before it’s widely used.

I think we should be getting the results soon. One early study ended on May 20. I have no idea how long it will take to write up.
Evaluation of Efficacy of Levamisole and Formoterol+Budesonide in Treatment of COVID-19

Study Type :	Interventional (Clinical Trial)
Estimated Enrollment :	30 participants
Allocation:	Randomized
Intervention Model:	Parallel Assignment
Intervention Model Description:	Study is two armed , double blind, parallel, randomized clinical trial.
Masking:	Double (Participant, Outcomes Assessor)
Masking Description:	All of the research team will be blind about the groups of study and position of patients in each group except of physician and main researcher. Files of patients which will be numbered using a random number table will be sent for analyzer of the study.Information about position of patients in the groups is masked from research team. Outcomes Assessor will receive the information of patients without any name in the file. Just when statistical analysis would be finished information of groups will be revealed.
Primary Purpose:	Treatment
Official Title:	Evaluation of Efficacy of Pharmacotherapy Treatment of COVID- 19 Infection Using Oral Levamisole and Formoterol+Budesonide Inhaler and Comparison of This Treatment Protocol With Standard National Treatment of the Disease
Actual Study Start Date :	April 4, 2020
Estimated Primary Completion Date :	April 20, 2020
Estimated Study Completion Date :	May 20, 2020

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World's first biologic approved for treatment of Covid cytokine storms.

Biocon's Itolizumab approved for COVID-19 treatment: All you need to know

 

[macbill]

Texas hospitals are running out of drugs, beds, ventilators and even staff

A coronavirus patient in Anahuac was flown by helicopter to a hospital in El Campo — 120 miles away — because closer facilities could not take him.

Ambulances are waiting up to 10 hours to deliver patients to packed Hidalgo County emergency rooms.

And short-staffed hospitals in Midland and Odessa have had to turn away ailing COVID-19 patients from rural West Texas facilities that can’t offer the care they need.

 

[cybrguy]

I have to apologize in advance for this as it is incredibly disgusting and inhumane, but I can't help but wonder if somehow DeSantis has decided that reducing the population of Seniors in Fla is somehow good for him or the Republican party. I can think of no better explanation for his incompetence other than it is by design. I don't want to believe this but it is becoming the only thing that makes sense to me. And of course, it is mass murder on a fucking huge scale.

 

[Tranquility]

I have to apologize in advance for this as it is incredibly disgusting and inhumane, but I can't help but wonder if somehow DeSantis has decided that reducing the population of Seniors in Fla is somehow good for him or the Republican party. I can think of no better explanation for his incompetence other than it is by design. I don't want to believe this but it is becoming the only thing that makes sense to me. And of course, it is mass murder on a fucking huge scale.

At some point we have to look at the greatest error made in this pandemic; the treatment of the elderly in group homes.

It is said almost 1/2 of the deaths are from that particular cohort and "murder" is not a crazy word--depending on how things are described.

There is a lot of blame to go around on this issue and we should all agree to as complete as an investigation as possible. The investigation should go to all states and how they handled the nursing home issue. If the same criteria are used, somehow some democratic Governors have decided reducing the population of seniors in their state is a good thing as well.

How to Track COVID-19 Nursing Home Cases and Deaths in Your State

https://www.health.ny.gov/statistics/diseases/covid-19/fatalities_nursing_home_acf.pdf

http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_archive/ltcf_deaths_latest.pdf

 

[CrazyDiamond]

And the overall blame has to be on China because they tried to hide the outbreak, then, when they couldn't contain it, oh now we will alert the world to it...too late. Then they buy up most of the world supply of PPE, then turn around and start giving away trying to save face...no no, we see through that. Unfortunately, we can blame them all we want, nothing will be done about it.

 

[ginolicious]

And the overall blame has to be on China because they tried to hide the outbreak, then, when they couldn't contain it, oh now we will alert the world to it...too late. Then they buy up most of the world supply of PPE, then turn around and start giving away trying to save face...no no, we see through that. Unfortunately, we can blaim them all we wnat, nothing will be done about it.

Should boycott their crap and buy local. Time jobs move back to North American. Sorry.

 

[florduh]

The majority of Americans support chains' like Starbucks and Costco's mandatory mask policies, but an aggressive minority is creating a crisis for workers

A new Harris Poll survey found that 76% of Americans believe businesses should "exact and enforce" their own policies requiring all customers and employees to wear masks, compared to 15% who disagreed. (10% of respondents said they were not sure.)

There were no major differences in race, age, and gender among Americans who favored a mandatory face mask policy and those who did not. A smaller percentage of Republicans and people living in rural areas supported mandatory facial coverings, but the majority of both groups were still in support of the policies, at 64% and 66% respectively.

 

[Gunky]

And the overall blame has to be on China because they tried to hide the outbreak, then, when they couldn't contain it, oh now we will alert the world to it...too late. Then they buy up most of the world supply of PPE, then turn around and start giving away trying to save face...no no, we see through that. Unfortunately, we can blame them all we want, nothing will be done about it.

No they didn't try to hide it. They tried to briefly downplay it around Chinese New Years and allowed mass activities in Wuhan at a critical moment in the progression of the disease. It is also true that they did not yet fully understand it at that point. At the time, president DT praised their efforts. Once the disease arrived in the United States (mainly via Europe, as it turned out) the onus was on us here in the states to fight it. Unfortunately we have a buffoon for a national leader who not only refuses to fight it, he actively undermines everyone who is fighting it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...d-with-rage-trump-you-arent-paying-attention/

Let’s begin with the situation in other countries. Here are new case totals from Monday for a few of our peer countries:

• France: 580
• UK: 564
• Spain: 546
• Germany: 365
• Canada: 299
• Japan: 259
• Italy: 200
• Australia: 158
• South Korea: 52

And the United States? 55,300.

Some of these countries were in extremely bad shape for a time, but with sane leadership and a population willing to work together, they’re in the process of defeating the pandemic. But not us.

There are many reasons we have experienced this catastrophe (and it quickly became two catastrophes, an economic crisis added to the public health crisis), but one stands above all others: President Trump.
Is there a single aspect of his response to this pandemic that has not been a miserable failure? For weeks he ignored warnings and denied that the pandemic would be a problem. He didn’t prepare the equipment and systems we’d need to respond.

We have no national testing strategy — still! There is no national contact tracing program. Trump turned over the effort to coordinate the distribution of supplies to his incompetent dolt of a son-in-law. He responded to efforts by governors to impose strong lockdowns by berating them and calling for their states to be “liberated.” For months he not only refused to wear a mask but also belittled those who did, successfully turning a vital public health tool into a polarized political issue.

 

[macbill]

Mod Note: Please! No politics! COVID-19 is an equal opportunity virus. There are many places on the Internet to make political comments. FuckCombustion is not one of them.

 

[Tranquility]

Vaccines are in the news. The biggest race is between an Oxford one an one announced last night they passed phase 1 from Moderna. Moderna claimed the had 100% response rate and the stock market jumped after the announcement. A larger scale test on 30K people is to be started at the end of July.

First Coronavirus Vaccine Tested in Humans Shows Early Promise

The other guys just behind:
Positive News on Oxford/AstraZeneca COVID-19 Vaccine Could Come on Thursday: ITV

Still, we are talking about the end of the year before any possibility of a vaccine. Even that would take some magic luck. If "operation warp speed" actually works, I'd be impressed. I don't know where I read it so won't swear to it, but it seems the fastest vaccine from discovery to market was 4 years. (This news says 5. https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/othe...accine-being-ready-by-late-summer/ar-BB14irpk)

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In a weird thing, it seems there is some problem in data reporting. The white house is either trying to fix it or screw it up more.
White House tells hospitals to bypass CDC on COVID-19 data reporting

The actual order:
Page 1of 13COVID-19 Guidance for Hospital Reportingand FAQsFor Hospitals, Hospital Laboratory, and Acute Care Facility Data ReportingUpdated July10, 2020

 

[ginolicious]

Vaccines are in the news. The biggest race is between an Oxford one an one announced last night they passed phase 1 from Moderna. Moderna claimed the had 100% response rate and the stock market jumped after the announcement. A larger scale test on 30K people is to be started at the end of July.

First Coronavirus Vaccine Tested in Humans Shows Early Promise

The other guys just behind:
Positive News on Oxford/AstraZeneca COVID-19 Vaccine Could Come on Thursday: ITV

Still, we are talking about the end of the year before any possibility of a vaccine. Even that would take some magic luck. If "operation warp speed" actually works, I'd be impressed. I don't know where I read it so won't swear to it, but it seems the fastest vaccine from discovery to market was 4 years. (This news says 5. https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/othe...accine-being-ready-by-late-summer/ar-BB14irpk)

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In a weird thing, it seems there is some problem in data reporting. The white house is either trying to fix it or screw it up more.
White House tells hospitals to bypass CDC on COVID-19 data reporting

The actual order:
Page 1of 13COVID-19 Guidance for Hospital Reportingand FAQsFor Hospitals, Hospital Laboratory, and Acute Care Facility Data ReportingUpdated July10, 2020

yeah I was reading about that. Say they can make 500 million doses per year. Even at that we gonna live with this for some time. I’m more for managing it or preventing people from getting very sick with it.