hoptimum
Well-Known Member
The burden of proof is on the person claiming it's dangerous, and so far I'm not seeing anything.
I'm glad you admit that ignited butane is harmless. I consider that progress!
Could you be happy with just one vape (and which is it)?
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The burden of proof is on the person claiming it's dangerous, and so far I'm not seeing anything.
I'm glad you admit that ignited butane is harmless. I consider that progress!
hinglemccringleberry
Well-Known Member
Uhm, I never admitted otherwise. Go back and read the thread. Lol
hoptimum
Well-Known Member
Good for you, champ!
Dutch-Mic
Well-Known Member
I don’t want to debate about the safety of butane, but I do want to raise a few science and research questions:
- When can we speak of a scientific fact? There may be some preliminary research (by companies) on butane safety, but is the evidence robust enough to conclude that butane is relatively safe?
- What kind of studies could further (dis)prove the safety of using vapes like the Sticky Brick? A longitudinal study on a population that uses Brick-esque vapes would be a great first step.
Is the burden of proof on the person claiming that it’s dangerous? That seems to depend on the question if the research on butane safety/using Brick-esque vaporizers is already robust enough to conclude that inhaling hot air from a butane lighter is relatively safe.
coolbreeze
Well-Known Member
Welcome!Smono 4.5 bubbler
My 1st vape after 18 years smoking.
I love it.... My lungs they love it
I'm new to vaping, greetings from Slovenia, so glad I found you and your forum
Arawfish
Green Thumb
Slovenia? I’ve heard wonderful things about your beautiful country! I must make the journey over there sometime. Cheers from Canada!Smono 4.5 bubbler
My 1st vape after 18 years smoking.
I love it.... My lungs they love it
I'm new to vaping, greetings from Slovenia
Ps. What’s the vape market like in Slovenia? Rather obscure and hard to acquire? Or not too bad?
leanpubpackage
Well-Known Member
I also always taste butane when I use direct inhale devices, no matter the brand I use. I absolutely LOVE my direct inhale devices but I use it sparingly because of unestablished safety. All depends on a persons risk tolerance I guess.I don’t trust those companies with my lung health, And this is after owning like 5 of those devices you listed
It may say 11x filtered (or whatever it happens to be) but I know for a fact all those cans are lined with BPA containing plastic liners, and if it says BPA free, there’s a really good chance the formulation they used is actually more harmful and less studied than BPA. Not only those, but there’s guaranteed to be phthalates in there too! Among other things depending on the brand you’re using. The fact remains that none of the butane any of us are using is actually meant to be directly inhaled, and as such, there’s certain health precautions that haven’t been taken, or even looked into, regarding how we use it.
When I had those vapes, I could very much taste the butane. Ever since I got rid of those I haven’t tasted the same tastes. The Lotus certainly doesn’t have that taste and they should be principally identical, but they’re not.
Functionally though, definitely kickass vapes. Some of the hardest hitting out there.
Direct inhales have been around for quite a while now and I’m sure we would’ve heard more about health issues related to these types of vapes, ESPECIALLY on FC, as people here are all about material safety.
I actually worry more about the chemicals/pesticides that are in the flower I buy. As soon as I move to a bigger space, im growing my own.
Arawfish
Green Thumb
Yeah I mean, it’s not so much the butane I’m concerned about. I know butane itself burns clean.
It’s more the things in there that no one may know about, things like phthalates or other such “forever” chemicals related to the lining on the inside of butane canisters. Chemicals like that cause problems in a way that’s almost impossible to trace back to any one thing, and they take generations before the damage they cause can be healed. People drink bottled water not knowing it’s full of these chemicals, and yet it’s perfectly acceptable to governing agencies. They’re in the clothes we wear, the food we eat, the beds and couches we sleep on, it’s on our cooking utensils and in our water supply. Shit, most beds you buy you have to air out for several days before you can sleep on it because of the VOCs they off gas. We live in an environment poisoned by microplastics and if I can reduce that even the smallest amount by not inhaling ignited butane, then great. If you live in a home that has furniture made from synthetic compounds, you can guarantee your air is full of microplastic dust particles. There’s just too many unknowns. There’s big time research taking place (or has taken place) that’s drawing a pretty thick line between these chemicals and the massive drop in the average man’s testosterone levels (among many other things) compared to just 20 years ago.
There’s also the matter of the lighters being used to ignite the aforementioned butane, we know nothing of the kind of chemicals that can leech from those.
Butane itself might be safe, but there’s so many other things to consider.
Edit: @hoptimum apparently I need to tag you in this as well, since you seemingly don’t know how to read
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TigoleBitties
Big and Bouncy
Welcome! I was in Slovenia for a week on a guys trip just a few years ago. Beautiful country and friendly people. We had an awesome time.Smono 4.5 bubbler
My 1st vape after 18 years smoking.
I love it.... My lungs they love it
I'm new to vaping, greetings from Slovenia
I've got too many to list. I'd miss having a variety. In this imaginary universe where I am only allowed one, based on usage for the last 9 months it would have to be the TA by @phattpiggie. I can't quit it. Several make their rotation in and out but the TA is used everyday without a doubt.
TigoleBitties
Big and Bouncy
I love that last sentence. Not sure if you knew it rhymed but it seems right out of a Dr. Seuss book.
And you just can't publish the psychedelic shit he did unless you were high af most of the time.
hoptimum
Well-Known Member
Ignited butane converts to water and carbon dioxide. I'm comfortable with that. If you're not, you don't have to use a butane torch.
"Butane releases its chemical energy by undergoing hydrocarbon combustion. Below is a hydrocarbon combustion animation showing the net reaction that occurs when butane combines with oxygen. The hydrocarbon combustion reaction releases heat energy and is an example of an exothermic reaction."
Butane - Energy Education
gordontreeman
Everythings coming up Milhouse!
I’m not sure why you are so needlessly aggressive about this. Everyone is saying exactly that last bit, and no one is stopping you from enjoying your direct inhale butane vapesIgnited butane converts to water and carbon dioxide. I'm comfortable with that. If you're not, you don't have to use a butane torch.
"Butane releases its chemical energy by undergoing hydrocarbon combustion. Below is a hydrocarbon combustion animation showing the net reaction that occurs when butane combines with oxygen. The hydrocarbon combustion reaction releases heat energy and is an example of an exothermic reaction."
Come back when you have some proof. Preferably not from random users on Reddit. Meanwhile, nobody is forcing you to use a butane torch. If you're not comfortable with torch vapes, just don't use them.Butane - Energy Education
energyeducation.ca
. Various users just outlined the reasons why they err in the side of caution, which makes sense given we only get one set of lungs.
Arawfish
Green Thumb
Useless reply. Didn’t even read what I had said in my other comment where I clearly outlined where my concerns were.Ignited butane converts to water and carbon dioxide. I'm comfortable with that. If you're not, you don't have to use a butane torch.
"Butane releases its chemical energy by undergoing hydrocarbon combustion. Below is a hydrocarbon combustion animation showing the net reaction that occurs when butane combines with oxygen. The hydrocarbon combustion reaction releases heat energy and is an example of an exothermic reaction."
Come back when you have some proof. Preferably not from random users on Reddit. Meanwhile, nobody is forcing you to use a butane torch. If you're not comfortable with torch vapes, just don't use them.Butane - Energy Education
hoptimum
Well-Known Member
I read what you typed.
Your paranoia in counterproductive to intelligent discourse.
These comments border on breaking the Be Nice rule. If you can't be resepectful of each other then don't post.
The butane discussion is off-topic for this thread. Please get back to answering the question posed by the title. Thanks for your cooperation.
Razhumikin
Well-Known Member
Could i be happy with one vape? No, thats why i have 70 
maremaresing
Well-Known Member
I'll be happy if I have *At Least* 1 vape for the rest of my life. The other question is does this one vape hypothetically never break? That changes my answer.
I'd have to go with the BFG Dani. For me it's an on the go option, home option, heavy hitter and microdoser. Plus I can recharge a lighter faster than an 18650.
I'd have to go with the BFG Dani. For me it's an on the go option, home option, heavy hitter and microdoser. Plus I can recharge a lighter faster than an 18650.
Blaz 🇸🇮
New Member
hello I'm new to vaping [2-3 months), so I really can't tell.
I bought it in a head/grow shop, I think there is no dry herb vape shop
If I think about it I don't know nobody that vapes
Thank God there's no lack of good weed
If you come, you teach me how to how to vape properly
The herbs on me
