Consider New Technology - Pyrolysis is sweet spot between vape and combustion

[Perfect_Speed4069]

You should get your health and safety information from a qualified source, which does not include this forum.

Mate, this isn't going to end well. You've started a thread, asked for opinions and decided to take issue with the options of the folks who replied. This isn't Twitter or Reddit. We don't pick fights. There's also a whole bunch of back story on not discussing safety of materials. Genuinely, read up, consider, and then come back to this discussion. For now, digging in won't end well. Best of luck.

 

[Custom Flower Hardware]

Thank you for this. Yes, that looks to be pyrolysis. When did they first do this? If 2020 or before, the information could show that I am not entitled to a patent. Please comment.

It was done when the Dr dabber switch came out in 2018 so 7 years ish ago.

 

[Herb Pyrolysis]

Mate, this isn't going to end well. You've started a thread, asked for opinions and decided to take issue with the options of the folks who replied. This isn't Twitter or Reddit. We don't pick fights. There's also a whole bunch of back story on not discussing safety of materials. Genuinely, read up, consider, and then come back to this discussion. For now, digging in won't end well. Best of luck.

Please stay on topic: pyrolysis

It was done when the Dr dabber switch came out in 2018 so 7 years ish ago.

Please point me to documentation of that so that the info can be forwarded to patent examiner.

 

[Custom Flower Hardware]

It's king at it! Basically it's herb mode is all it does. I suggest looking in the thread for info that you need. Good luck in your endeavor

 

[Grass Yes]

I would like to remind everyone that our first rule is Be Nice. Please don't insult people or their questions. Please be kind to new folks.

Happy to hand out points if it becomes an issue. Right now it is right up to the line.

 

[Perfect_Speed4069]

Please stay on topic: pyrolysis

I'm out of here. Like I say. Best of luck

 

[Ramahs]

I've seen "pyrolysis" claimed by a few new vape-makers here over the years that I've been into this vaporizing hobby, but it never seemed to amount to much. Also the sellers making the claim seem to always be very confrontational with anyone on here who questions their claims.

It's very odd every time.

 

[Andreaerdna]

Nothing, except silver, can match copper's heat conductivity, and it it is totally safe as having been used in cookware for many many decades.

I have some copper cookware, but the food isn’t in contact with copper (copper is lined with other « safer » metals to avoid that, like Vapman) and while the copper outer part of the casserole is in contact with a blue flame, it rarely pass 100*C as there are many ways of dissipation (its huge radiating mass and the food inside, boiling and evaporating).
in your device copper should reach higher temps, so maybe it is not the same-same

I also use copper in the garden, to kill fungus and other micro organisms and protect my veggies, it is not safe to inhale that

again, different applications different risks…

also: pyrolisis or charring tastes really awful IMO

 

[potatobass]

Hello! Just throwing my 2 cents here....
It's been 20years since I switched to vaporization, and I still consider that the main advantage is to be able to taste those delicious terpens in all their complexity. Never felt like I was wasting precious cannabinoids.
I kinda doubt any seasoned vaporist will sacrifice taste for more extraction , especially with todays vaporizers performances.
However, if this device work as described , it could be interesting for someone who want to quit combustion.

Just to say that you might be preaching the wrong crowd here since , IMHO, your target audience probably don't hang out here.

Anyway , best of luck with your product launch!!
Always good to see new approach.

 

[General Disaster]

Please stay on topic: pyrolysis

Well, an interesting alternative take on vaping for sure.
Sadly, you're making some major league claims that you've not explained, or provided any references that you've used as resources to your thoughts (e.g. how do you know all the definitive claims you're basing this on?).

Some of the comments are not very scientific - e.g. "It takes a tremendous amount of energy to transform a liquid into a gas, and heated air is a poor means of transferring heat to the essential oil in the dried herb."
This doesn't really say anything about what's going on. You're talking about heat of vapourisation, but not describing it correctly, just saying something is enormous says little with nothing to compare against or quantify, and all vapes have to achieve this. It's not helping to understand what you're trying to say. And why is heated air a poor means of transferring heat (i.e. convection)? And with respect to what?

Also, how have you determined the amounts of terpenoids being extracted from the weed in normal vapes at a range of temps vs. your device, so as to provide empirical comparisons to show the advantages and quantify them? In addition, how are you measuring the output to compare between a normal vape and your device? I would imagine you'd need to be passing the vapour through a gas chromatograph to see the components and quantities. How can you tell whether only pyrolysis is taking place and no oxidation is occurring (see previous comment - chromatograph and/or spectrometry analysis probably required).

You ideas sound interesting, but the descriptions given are not convincing (which doesn't mean your thoughts don't have value, just that I can't assess that value without real data on how all your conclusions have been discovered and how accurate they may or may not be).

I could go through your OP bit by bit on specific parts but I don't think that would be especially engaging to read or helpful, frankly, and would just produce reams of boring text, so I just threw in some examples of why I find the post hard to be more enthusiastic about without more info on sources of information and how you've come to your conclusions. Just saying something without that appears to be an opinion more than anything.

 

[seedy53]

dr dabber og switch uses this method and many users i've had conversations with, say it does not do well for flower vaping. idk but this is something i found a bit shocking result to me. esp about the praise i read about this process on this thread.

 

[deadlytoaster]

Yuck - the flavour/lung irritation from pyrolosis would immediately make this a heck no from me - would rather smoke it... sorry

 

[Alex3oe]

Seasoned consumers have long known that the ensemble effect from smoking cannabis/hemp flower buds is unbeatable,

sorry, but quit reading here

 

[OfCourseMooseBumps]

Steady on. So far my questions have been nothing but respectful and open minded. If you consider them stupid or asinine, check yourself. Or maybe you got a thing for Flemish Poets. In which case, apologies

Asking if someone's project is a joke is not respectful. Lol.

Mate, this isn't going to end well. You've started a thread, asked for opinions and decided to take issue with the options of the folks who replied. This isn't Twitter or Reddit. We don't pick fights. There's also a whole bunch of back story on not discussing safety of materials. Genuinely, read up, consider, and then come back to this discussion. For now, digging in won't end well. Best of luck.

I don't really get what this person did wrong. They posted and everyone asked if they were a joke and laughed. A couple of people who didn't understand the post said the design wouldn't work because of a point addressed in the original post. Why so hostile and then acting like there was no reason a newcomer would be upset by all the mocking? It's weird and off putting.

I've been lurking here for years and I don't usually see this kind of nasty shit on here. I'm surprised. It makes me, and trust me, any other people that might have things to share in the future, not want to come here to share them. Why would they want to?

If that's what you want, cool. If posters on this thread want new blood to come here and people of good faith to be welcome and become part of the community, you should show humility and kindness in this special place that is important for people's health. Or things won't go well for the website. Mate. And fewer people, not more, will vape. And that's the opposite of the point, right?

 

[LesPlenty]

Asking if someone's project is a joke is not respectful. Lol.

I do not think it was meant as disrespectful as the thread was originally posted on April Fools Day or there-about...

 

[General Disaster]

Asking if someone's project is a joke is not respectful. Lol.



I don't really get what this person did wrong. They posted and everyone asked if they were a joke and laughed. A couple of people who didn't understand the post said the design wouldn't work because of a point addressed in the original post. Why so hostile and then acting like there was no reason a newcomer would be upset by all the mocking? It's weird and off putting.

I've been lurking here for years and I don't usually see this kind of nasty shit on here. I'm surprised. It makes me, and trust me, any other people that might have things to share in the future, not want to come here to share them. Why would they want to?

If that's what you want, cool. If posters on this thread want new blood to come here and people of good faith to be welcome and become part of the community, you should show humility and kindness in this special place that is important for people's health. Or things won't go well for the website. Mate. And fewer people, not more, will vape. And that's the opposite of the point, right?

Are you saying all the comments are unreasonably hostile or just some? And which one's (unless you're claiming all are BS?). If it's only some posts you object to, then you're tarring all with the same brush, which hardly seems fair either - maybe be specific about what claims you think are wrong and/or abusive, because they are two different things, and without being specific, who knows which one's you're complaining about?

As for the joke thing, did you not notice the date of posting? Surely you can see why many would question it? Especially with the science being questionable? I don't believe there's anything established as showing the major but unsupported claims made for pyrolysis in the OP, and I questioned some of this but got not reply - that doesn't help in making a good case for the OP. Neither is your non-specific indignation.

If someone willingly posts an idea for others to comment on, to be outraged that not everyone may agree on the OP's idea's defeats the whole point of posting in the first place (at least if an honest and open opinion is sought after)? Maybe what you're posting will put people off giving honest opinions because they aren't popular, regardless of accuracy? Why would they want to? You've just made a personal judgement on others yourself, but not had the courtesy of saying exactly what or whom you're arguing against.

 

[Ramahs]

 

[Perfect_Speed4069]

Asking if someone's project is a joke is not respectful.

An apology costs nothing and I'm happy to apologise if I've caused offence to anyone anywhere for anything. I've no beef with anyone, except for those who make assumptions/don't ask questions and /or assert their opinion as fact.

 

[Cheebsy]

I've been lurking here for years and I don't usually see this kind of nasty shit on here.

Yet you choose to argue this subject and for it to be your first post? Hah! Welcome to the forum, we don't like trolls here!

The first post reads either as a trolling post (considering the audience) or April fools joke, commenters choose to be generous and assume joke. It could have been much uglier but that would have got shut down quickly by the mod team.

 

[0796]

extreme temperatures

Hey!
Could you explain, please, how pyrolysis will eliminate benzene, toluene and naphthalene?

According to NORML/MAPS article -

NORML / MAPS Study Shows Vaporizers Reduce Toxins in Marijuana Smoke - CaNorml.org

Results of a seminal 2001 study showing vaporizers reduce toxins in marijuana smoke.

www.canorml.org

“The vaporizer produced THC at a temperature of 185° C. (365° F.) while completely eliminating three measured toxins – benzene, a known carcinogen, plus toluene and naphthalene.”

“Significant amounts of benzene began to appear at temperatures of 200° C.”