123 - Thanks for confirming. I am in MD and some of the RSO that we get is as amber as most cart contents so I am sure there is little plant matter there anyway. And it is about half the price. So add a little heat and some liquifier (extra terps if you want), inject into carts and off you go.
Concentrates for Noobs - Q&A
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scy123
Trusted Member Don't Worry
RSO is pretty much the same as QWISO. But with a longer wash. The QW actually means quick wash. Quality quick wash can be pretty good, near identical to BHO. To make quality QW you would freeze everything before washing. And wash as fast as possible.
I imagine someone who wanted to make quality RSO would do so with quick wash methods and refine it further.
Edit: also, so you know, BHO is the process used to make shatter. The three process are pretty much similar and only the amount of impurities differ. I really don't see how an ethanol extraction would make the THC turn to anything more than a butane extraction would.
I imagine someone who wanted to make quality RSO would do so with quick wash methods and refine it further.
Edit: also, so you know, BHO is the process used to make shatter. The three process are pretty much similar and only the amount of impurities differ. I really don't see how an ethanol extraction would make the THC turn to anything more than a butane extraction would.
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hans solo
Left coast Canada
Interesting read.
https://www.thekindpen.com/14-different-kinds-of-weed-concentrates/
https://www.thekindpen.com/14-different-kinds-of-weed-concentrates/
uncanni
Well-Known Member
Sure, it can be, but from what I understand, you will cough your lungs out. It's not possible to filter out the plant matter from Green Dragon tincture, or RSO.
I have made a sap extract for vaping, but not from RSO: I made it using a Quick Wash in Everclear and using a buchner funnel filter to remove any remaining impurity. Then I recycle out the Everclear in the Source machine.
When you do a quick wash, the tincture is yellow--not green, because you haven't been steeping whole bud for weeks.
scy123
Trusted Member Don't Worry
Just cause you don’t know how does not mean it’s not possible. Just freezing the wash will cause a large fraction of lipids and waxes to precipitate out of solution and be readily filterable. You can than use other methods to remove the chlorophyll, their are a few of them.
Just look up winterizing. RSO would especially benefit from it.
Not saying it’s ideal, but experimenting is fun sometimes.
btw: i once did a few long ethanol washes (similar to rso plus i was also using a hot bath) straight to ejuice and it vaped fine. No irritation. It did not taste bad either. Was actually pretty pleasant.
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uncanni
Well-Known Member
I already know what winterizing is. i do not believe that there is any way to turn Green Dragon yellow again, the whole idea seems stupid when it's so easy to make a clean tincture and from that, a concentrate.
scy123
Trusted Member Don't Worry
Maybe someone likes long ethanol extractions. RSO is also cheaper than other concentrates, so if you buy it and do a couple filtration processes you can save money. The guy above just said it cost him half as much, It's not stupid.
Simply leaving the wash outside for a day will break down the chlorophyll and turn green dragon into yellow dragon. Sure the broken down components will still be in solution, but it will not be chlorophyll any longer and not have the associated taste. This is also the most simple method I used to demonstrate. You can look up Hexane/Saline water wash as a method to remove chlorophyll as well.
Again, just because you don't know how does not make it not possible.
Simply leaving the wash outside for a day will break down the chlorophyll and turn green dragon into yellow dragon. Sure the broken down components will still be in solution, but it will not be chlorophyll any longer and not have the associated taste. This is also the most simple method I used to demonstrate. You can look up Hexane/Saline water wash as a method to remove chlorophyll as well.
Again, just because you don't know how does not make it not possible.
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FlyingLow
Team NO SLEEP!
Agreed, it’s possible to dab and can be cleaned up to a degree... but even after removing chlorophyll, your resulting product still tastes like a marathon runner’s ass crack when compared to any other form of dab-able concentrate.
I’ll take rosin and live resin please.
I’ll take rosin and live resin please.
scy123
Trusted Member Don't Worry
It may not taste as well as rosin since most if not all terpenes will be removed. But it does not taste awful either. Quite the contrary. I tried some and it tasted fine, though not as good.
Some people just want to get high, I'll taste it for a couple seconds, but it keeps me high for a few hours.
You can add terpenes blends to make it taste like fruits and shit too.
I'd go for mango flavored carts for sure.
Edit: also i'm not even pro rso or anything, I just responded cause the guy was talking down on other members who use rso and saying shit is not possible when it clearly is.
If you like rosin, fine, but telling people who use other extracts for whatever reason that their extracts taste like sweaty ass when it does not is not fine.
Personally, I don't care about taste so if I could get shit with the same amount of THC for $10 rather than paying $60 for top shelf, i'm fine with that. More than fine actually.
Some people just want to get high, I'll taste it for a couple seconds, but it keeps me high for a few hours.
You can add terpenes blends to make it taste like fruits and shit too.
I'd go for mango flavored carts for sure.
Edit: also i'm not even pro rso or anything, I just responded cause the guy was talking down on other members who use rso and saying shit is not possible when it clearly is.
If you like rosin, fine, but telling people who use other extracts for whatever reason that their extracts taste like sweaty ass when it does not is not fine.
Personally, I don't care about taste so if I could get shit with the same amount of THC for $10 rather than paying $60 for top shelf, i'm fine with that. More than fine actually.
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As usual around here not only was my question answered but I learned a lot more about processing of RSO in particular. I consider myself reasonably knowledgable about this stuff (ie I know what I am talking about when I am buying), but sometimes have unusual questions. Almost always fine more information, even if it doesn't always match up, about the product/process.
Thanks and stay safe.
Thanks and stay safe.
freshly baked
Well-Known Member
What about wax liquidizer or farm to vape? Anybody ever try these to thin down some gooey concentrate to make it suitable for a cartridge?
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scy123
Trusted Member Don't Worry
Liquidizers and farm to vape use peg blends. Census on vaping peg is not good. Plus peg taste like chemicals when vaped.
If it's gooey than it can be vaped pure in a cart. Any extract that flows at room temp can be. You may run into problems like having more carbon build up and the cart may not last as long though.
If you want to add flavor to carts, cause flavors are fun. The best way is to use terpene blends. I think I already mentioned terpene FAQ's to you so, I will leave it at that.
If it's gooey than it can be vaped pure in a cart. Any extract that flows at room temp can be. You may run into problems like having more carbon build up and the cart may not last as long though.
If you want to add flavor to carts, cause flavors are fun. The best way is to use terpene blends. I think I already mentioned terpene FAQ's to you so, I will leave it at that.
Haven't tried that myself to know how it tastes but I do know I only have access to 1 strain of plant so I like all ways of making concentrate with it for variety's sake...including all the way down to slow wash iso of ABV to fill Airistech VE10 Thick Oil Carts(big 2mm holes for the thick stuff) that cost US$2ea, the taste is nothing like nice rosin but it sure ain't bad and kicks like a mule.
uncanni
Well-Known Member
Are you saying to leave it outside in the heat and sun? That's the last thing you want to do to the terpenes and cannabinoids.
FlyingLow
Team NO SLEEP!
2020-06-26 Update: FC is back. This topic was moved from NFC and merged into the original thread.
Concentrates for Noobs was most helpful for my education on the original forum and wanted to continue it on NFC. I cut and paste the original first post (with few modifications) to set the tone:
I came to this section of the forums looking for an education, but saw no "Sticky" nor basic guides for new users. Let this be a place to ask and answer ALL concentrate related questions.
I was a seasoned smoker turned vape'er, and to this point have always been a flower person. The whole oil rig, dome, nail, and torch was kinda a bit intimidating for the lifelong flower child, and it became clear my LHS did not have the experience to provide me with any sort of education.
For those seeking education on concentrates, WELCOME! If any other noobs have some basic concentrate/oil questions, feel free to ask in here as well:
- What should I be looking for in concentrates?
- What range of colors is desired?
- What Brands should be sought after? Any to be avoided?
- Techniques and method discussion.
- What are the best tools?
- How many different kinds of concentrates are there?
- Solvent vs Solventless
- Extraction processess
- At home extraction
- Rig discussion
- Etc.
Feel free to ask or discuss ANYTHING!
mod note: edited to add link to the original FC thread
Enjoy the ride!
Concentrates for Noobs was most helpful for my education on the original forum and wanted to continue it on NFC. I cut and paste the original first post (with few modifications) to set the tone:
I came to this section of the forums looking for an education, but saw no "Sticky" nor basic guides for new users. Let this be a place to ask and answer ALL concentrate related questions.
I was a seasoned smoker turned vape'er, and to this point have always been a flower person. The whole oil rig, dome, nail, and torch was kinda a bit intimidating for the lifelong flower child, and it became clear my LHS did not have the experience to provide me with any sort of education.
For those seeking education on concentrates, WELCOME! If any other noobs have some basic concentrate/oil questions, feel free to ask in here as well:
- What should I be looking for in concentrates?
- What range of colors is desired?
- What Brands should be sought after? Any to be avoided?
- Techniques and method discussion.
- What are the best tools?
- How many different kinds of concentrates are there?
- Solvent vs Solventless
- Extraction processess
- At home extraction
- Rig discussion
- Etc.
Feel free to ask or discuss ANYTHING!
mod note: edited to add link to the original FC thread
Enjoy the ride!
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cybrguy
Putin is a War Criminal
I'm still a noob w/concentrates. Other than nasty tasting distillate I have made by evaporating my ISO cleaning jar (I will never do that again) I have made only one legal purchase which was some Crumble. I like the taste but it is awkward to use in my DynaCoil (my only dedicated tool) and I think I waste some when added to flower in a VC or a Splinter. It works, but is inconsistent. It is also still WAY too much money, but that won't change for a while until the crazy is over and the state opens up some more. Once that happens and I can get distillate from a dispensary I imagine that distillate carts will be a viable and favored option. For obvious reasons that is not something I will pick up on the BM.
FlyingLow
Team NO SLEEP!
I do tend to favor a "wetter" concentrate than crumble for your dynacoil.
I like the dynacoil for tasting, but IMO it is not the ultimate delivery vehicle for medicating and neither are carts. For low budget entry, I really recommend nothing more than a torch and a banger and cap from 710 to use with your existing glass. The experience you had, compared to the experience with the banger, is entirely incomparable. Using the same material, the banger is going to hit you in the face, be ready for it and clear your schedule!
I like the dynacoil for tasting, but IMO it is not the ultimate delivery vehicle for medicating and neither are carts. For low budget entry, I really recommend nothing more than a torch and a banger and cap from 710 to use with your existing glass. The experience you had, compared to the experience with the banger, is entirely incomparable. Using the same material, the banger is going to hit you in the face, be ready for it and clear your schedule!
LabPong
Well-Known Member
CybrGuy.....as far as concentrates go.....the distillate cart types are the worst.....unless you can get solvent-less live resin ones.
Next level for me is pressing my own flower and getting rosin for my FF2.
Then....it is full wet concentrates (like diamonds and sauce and or live resins)....that are solvent-less in a enail or torch banger. This method is the best by far, but limited only in what you put in them.
Next level for me is pressing my own flower and getting rosin for my FF2.
Then....it is full wet concentrates (like diamonds and sauce and or live resins)....that are solvent-less in a enail or torch banger. This method is the best by far, but limited only in what you put in them.
cybrguy
Putin is a War Criminal
If I grew, or had access to inexpensive goods, I'm sure I could be talked into a rosin press. Hell, @FlyingLow almost had me talked into one a while back without access to cheaper flower. Unfortunately the price matters today, a lot, and I need to get as much out of my goods as possible.
ginolicious
Well-Known Member
I’ve tried to do rosin press several times for my Candida cd1 bud. But that weed doesn’t produce any rosin. It’s weird. I grow a crap ton of it. I was using a hair straightener method. Wish there was a better way I could be introduced in pressing rosin to see if my Candida would really produce rosin before actually buying a press
Bad Dog
Yeah I pissed on the rug...... so what
I've been dabbing for almost a year but I still consider myself a newbie. Concentrate has only been legal here in Ontario for a few months so I don't have to tell you I was purchasing off a grey market mail order place, and actually still am because their selection is much better than I can get fully legally. I've only tried a handful of styles, rosin, shatter, sugar wax, diamonds and sauce and live resin, as well as a distillate and CO2 extracted resin carts.
My first foray into dabbing was with my cousin, he had just picked up one of those small bangers with the slanted top and had some black market shatter he got off a buddy. Our technique was piss poor and the quality of the shatter wasn't anything to write home about but i did get pretty high so I decided to look more into it. Ended up picking up a Dyna coil, from there to a banger with carb cap and even got a Ditanium and ccell palm.
I'm a occasional daber maybe twice a week plus the odd once in a blue moon dab day. Out of all my delivery systems I like the opaque thick round bottom frost banger and torch with twin jet carb cap I got off vape north, followed by the Ditanium for all of my cheaper shatter and sugar wax. Typically my dab days involve micro dosing shatter on my Ditanium, love how you can just grab the whole piece of shatter and just barley touch it to the quartz and get a hit from such a small amount and still get lifted. It's incredibly convenient to just leave it on all day taking a hit whenever the mood strikes. But my banger has slightly better taste and is a little more impactful, though I do admit I tend to save my more expensive concentrate for it so when comparing to the Ditanium my opinion is a little subjective.
Even if money wasn't a factor I don't see myself using concentrate anymore than I already do, it would just kill my tolerance and make it impossible to micro dose flower effectively.
My first foray into dabbing was with my cousin, he had just picked up one of those small bangers with the slanted top and had some black market shatter he got off a buddy. Our technique was piss poor and the quality of the shatter wasn't anything to write home about but i did get pretty high so I decided to look more into it. Ended up picking up a Dyna coil, from there to a banger with carb cap and even got a Ditanium and ccell palm.
I'm a occasional daber maybe twice a week plus the odd once in a blue moon dab day. Out of all my delivery systems I like the opaque thick round bottom frost banger and torch with twin jet carb cap I got off vape north, followed by the Ditanium for all of my cheaper shatter and sugar wax. Typically my dab days involve micro dosing shatter on my Ditanium, love how you can just grab the whole piece of shatter and just barley touch it to the quartz and get a hit from such a small amount and still get lifted. It's incredibly convenient to just leave it on all day taking a hit whenever the mood strikes. But my banger has slightly better taste and is a little more impactful, though I do admit I tend to save my more expensive concentrate for it so when comparing to the Ditanium my opinion is a little subjective.
Even if money wasn't a factor I don't see myself using concentrate anymore than I already do, it would just kill my tolerance and make it impossible to micro dose flower effectively.
cybrguy
Putin is a War Criminal
This is the part that has kept me from investing in any real dabbing equipment. I have a dynacoil and that is all at this point. But I fear toasting my tolerance and ending up having to spend a lot more to get the same level of buzz. Now that a dispensary is opening near me I will have greater availability of concentrates, but at very high cost. I think I will wait for prices to come down before I expend a lot of effort/money investigating concentrates and equipment to do it right.