Concentrates for Noobs - Q&A

[stroonz]

Hey, let me demonstrate my noobness. Just came across some Green Crack Bubble Hash concentrate. I'm confused cause of the texture. Can this be put into a pen vape? That's all I have on hand at the moment.

 

[2clicker]

Hey, let me demonstrate my noobness. Just came across some Green Crack Bubble Hash concentrate. I'm confused cause of the texture. Can this be put into a pen vape? That's all I have on hand at the moment.

i dont think using bubble will work with a concentrate pen vape. you need something that will fully melt.

you may find some vape pens for dry material that will work with bubble.

 

[stroonz]

Thanks for your reply. Looking thru this thread I see that I may have posted in the wrong place. I apologize for that. Lemme just ask one more. What is the standard way of smoking,vaping this bubble concentrate?

 

[amberevil]

Just throw it in an herb vaporizer.

I know were all about vape here but if your like me and dont have a nice herb vape than I would throw in in my bong with a pipe screen. If you dont have pipe screens you can pack a half bowl of bud than put the hash on top. Ive also had people tell me to smoke a little out the bowl and leave the ash, once the bowl is cashed flatten your ask and put it on that.

If you dont have a bong, break it up fine as you can and mix it with bud in a joint.

Haha you can also go old school and try the two hot knife tech or a needle and a cup.

 

[DieHard]

Just throw it in an herb vaporizer.

I know were all about vape here but if your like me and dont have a nice herb vape than I would throw in in my bong with a pipe screen. If you dont have pipe screens you can pack a half bowl of bud than put the hash on top. Ive also had people tell me to smoke a little out the bowl and leave the ash, once the bowl is cashed flatten your ask and put it on that.

If you dont have a bong, break it up fine as you can and mix it with bud in a joint.

Haha you can also go old school and try the two hot knife tech or a needle and a cup.

What about the old car cig lighter? Heat it up, Drop it in and get ready to cough!

 

[FreeSound]

are pyrex vac chambers a good way to go? Im comparing these, looks like a relatively cheap option

http://www.bestvaluevacs.com/2-75qvac.html

or

http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00...pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1949527442&pf_rd_i=915398

 

[DieHard]

are pyrex vac chambers a good way to go? Im comparing these, looks like a relatively cheap option

http://www.bestvaluevacs.com/2-75qvac.html

or

http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00...pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1949527442&pf_rd_i=915398

I have this one. I chose it because the gasket is reversible. The gasket on the one you linked is stuck to the lid. It works great by the way.

 

[FreeSound]

I ordered this one to canada fm amazon and it works great http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KCXZULE/ref=pe_385040_30332190_TE_3p_dp_1

I had a 3cfm (not one of BVV's) and hated it... too long to achieve -26 max, too noisy, and only single stage. Ended up ordering this CPS 6cfm 2-stage and love it http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002YKAZ0Y/ref=pe_385040_30332190_TE_3p_dp_1 (but this one I picked up at the border to get free shipping as the weight made shipping direct the same as the pump lol).

Im looking at the vac chamber you mentioned here. Can you place this on a griddle to heat it while it purges as well I keep seeing mixed reviews some ppl say you can't put pyrex on a griddle so how else could it be heated to the right temp?

 

[DieHard]

Im looking at the vac chamber you mentioned here. Can you place this on a griddle to heat it while it purges as well I keep seeing mixed reviews some ppl say you can't put pyrex on a griddle so how else could it be heated to the right temp?

Look at my pic. The chamber sits on a wire rack in the skillet. Then water added to the skillet. It has been suggested to use sand instead of water but that is not for me.The other items you see there are used for precise temperature control over the skillet.

 

[FreeSound]

yes i se your nice little setup, the griddle ill be using won't be sunk in like that so i would have to put a water bath on top of the flat top i guess, and then put the vac pump on the chamber while it sits in water, I'm looking at getting a precise skillet, but now I'm reading some ppl use heat pads so i guess i need to look at pros and cons for both, man there is so much different info on varying ways to do this stuff I've been reading so much but it is pretty overwhelming at times, thanks for the help!

 

[FreeSound]

Ok guys this should hopefully be my last NOOB question in this thread (but probably not). I am gonna go with the pyrex option and now I have to decide about 3qt or 1.75 qt

this will go with a robinair 15500 5 cfn, 2 stage pump, for small batches around 5-10 g's of bho max at a time. It looks like to an amateur that the 3 qt for the extra $5 would be a better idea, but then again i have no idea about whether it will take much longer to create a vacuum etc in the bigger chamber.

 

[Bouldorado]

I'd go with whatever is wider. Surface area is hugely important for purging. I'm guessing you won't be using a rack setup in your chamber, so you don't really gain anything with a taller chamber. Although with that pump, the difference in evacuation time between a 1.75 and 3 qt chamber is pretty insignificant (like seriously 10 seconds).

 

[FreeSound]

I'd go with whatever is wider. Surface area is hugely important for purging. I'm guessing you won't be using a rack setup in your chamber, so you don't really gain anything with a taller chamber. Although with that pump, the difference in evacuation time between a 1.75 and 3 qt chamber is pretty insignificant (like seriously 10 seconds).

ok great so ill go with the three quart if theres no time difference might as well go with the extra space, getting pretty excited now!

 

[spoutti]

Those robinair pumps are super solid. I bought mine off craigslist from someone who used it to service ACs for years. Cleaned it up and changed the oil, and it's as good as new. I have the robinair 15600 (2 stage & 4 cfm) and tbh, you really don't need a pump this powerful for individual use. My vacuum chamber is about a gallon and the pump will evacuate it in less than a minute. Something on the smaller side will save you a decent bit coin while still working almost as well.

Tx for the tip! The 15800 was the most affordable choice with 2 stage in its name on amazon.. Now, if I read the descriptions, even the 3cfm robinair 15300 says it has 2 stage. I like the less noisy 2 stage feature btw:

• The two-stage offset rotary vane design provides powerful quiet high vacuum capability and assures moisture removal while the high pumping capacity reduces evacuation time

That said, the 15500 seems like the best choice pricewise on amazon.ca if it indeed has a 2nd less noisy stage. It doesnt seem the extra cfm will ever be needed.

@spoutti - would you have your product on a slicksheet in the bottom of the vessel? It would be super sucky to scrape that bowl...

@killick That will be my plan. I like to hve the ability to move my concentrate on a slick sheet from one place to the other. Plus I prefer to fold and peel to collect vs scraping with a razor blade. But I read a few positive bho comments about blasting directly in the pyrex vac chamber. Experience will tell!

 

[Bouldorado]

I don't think noise is a major concern unless you're doing a stealth purge in the middle of the night

The pump only needs to run until the chamber is down to pressure, and when you're burping the atmosphere. Other than that, the vacuum is turned off for the majority of the purge.

 

[spoutti]

I see. I havent yet wrapped my head around the vac process yet, but im working on it Untill I actually do it, things can seem very complicated for nothing. I thought I would hear a loud compressor noise during the whole process.. Turning my place into an industrial setting for 12+ hours.. The kind of problem I create from out of ignorance.. Thanks for solving this inexistant problem of mine .

No chlorophyl pickup, cheaper cost, 1 run pics up almost everything. The more I get to understand concentrates, the more I see why bho is the better way. Cant wait to try it this summer. Now that the vac equipement is cleared up (not bought yet, im in no hurry), I have a few months to understand how to get the best of it.

And more importantly, I have a few months to read all about safety and prevention doing bho. Those are real problems, not just my imagination creating them this time

 

[Bouldorado]

I don't think I ever saw a "vacuum purging 101" guide online, so here's a quick lesson using DieHards pic:

• the red box is a temperature probe, you can use other methods, but keep the temp around 110° (+- 5°)
• check that chamber/concentrates are warmed up before starting the pump
• make sure the chamber seal is clean and filter valve (# 1) is closed and the pump valve (# 2) is open
• start pump and run until you hit ~ -29.5". close the pump valve (# 2) and turn off the pump.
• to drain the pressure, always use the filter valve (# 1), never the pump vale (# 2)
• IMPORTANT - When chamber is pressurized, never open the pump valve without first turning on the pump. Doing so will cause the chamber to pull vacuum oil from the pump and ruin your concentrate.

The mechanics are pretty simple; maintaining stable purge conditions and tweaking time/temperature/pressure to get your ideal product is where things get complicate though!. Best of luck

 

[FreeSound]

Thats a slick little post Bouldorado thanks very much, just got my pump today looks great, definitely nice and heavy, was very cold so I'm waiting to test it out, plus i don't have a chamber so its gonna be a while anyway. One question i have about your method there is would you change anything if you were wanting to further purge some bho that I've had stored for about a month, this was the stuff i felt had way to much tane in it after a nice bath (i also think i may have spilled a small amount of water in the dish huge mistake i know) so it actually was the reason i went the vac route cuz even tho I'm only making very small amount for myself I want it to be as clear as i can get it for health reasons obviously. So basically the stage this stuff is at is its been hot water purged then sat for a month now I'm thinking my first step will be to spread it thin on parchment, put it in the chamber, on a water bath around 110 like you mentioned above, with a 29.5 vac

 

[smokum]

Good intro guide @Bouldorado

Am I mistaken in my understanding that pump oil/oil fumes can't be pulled from a 2-stage pump ? I thought <scary, lol> that the vac was created from a different area separate from the pumps oil (2nd stage)

 

[herbivore21]

I don't think I ever saw a "vacuum purging 101" guide online, so here's a quick lesson using DieHards pic:

• the red box is a temperature probe, you can use other methods, but keep the temp around 110° (+- 5°)
• check that chamber/concentrates are warmed up before starting the pump
• make sure the chamber seal is clean and filter valve (# 1) is closed and the pump valve (# 2) is open
• start pump and run until you hit ~ -29.5". close the pump valve (# 2) and turn off the pump.
• to drain the pressure, always use the filter valve (# 1), never the pump vale (# 2)
• IMPORTANT - When chamber is pressurized, never open the pump valve without first turning on the pump. Doing so will cause the chamber to pull vacuum oil from the pump and ruin your concentrate.

The mechanics are pretty simple; maintaining stable purge conditions and tweaking time/temperature/pressure to get your ideal product is where things get complicate though!. Best of luck

This is an important post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Remember guys, that -29.5"hg depends on the barometric pressure/climate of where you're at

Also remember that -29.5"hg is appropriate in Colorado for purging butane. Anyone using a vac on other solvents will need different pressure inside the chamber (again depending on the above variables at the given location).

i dont think using bubble will work with a concentrate pen vape. you need something that will fully melt.

you may find some vape pens for dry material that will work with bubble.

@stroonz If it is full melt, you should be good to go man. You might need to press it to get good results.

If it doesn't fully melt, you are gonna get combustion nasties eventually.

EDIT: IMO, bubble that doesn't fully melt is best enjoyed in your convection vape on SS wool and a screen to keep it out of the heater

The Solo, Crafty, Mighty, Sublimator, E-nano have all been great for this purpose IME. Ensure though that there is a full bed of bubble across the screen/SS wool bed to ensure that the hot air goes through, and not just around your material.

 

[spoutti]

Thanks a lot @Bouldorado, now the vac process seems less alien. Another big question is to use or not the thermos tech. I see less probable problems with the thermos tek. But I remember @farscaper prefering by far blasting. As of today, wich way is favored?

 

[farscaper]

Thanks a lot @Bouldorado, now the vac process seems less alien. Another big question is to use or not the thermos tech. I see less probable problems with the thermos tek. But I remember @farscaper prefering by far blasting. As of today, wich way is favored?

I find thermos tech messier than blasting... but to each their own. im sure there are some that would think the inverse of my opinion.

I also find blasting to be more conservative on solvent. since less is required to achieve the same goal.

 

[Bouldorado]

Good intro guide @Bouldorado

Am I mistaken in my understanding that pump oil/oil fumes can't be pulled from a 2-stage pump ? I thought <scary, lol> that the vac was created from a different area separate from the pumps oil (2nd stage)

The oil is isolated from the pump in many designs, but if the seals leak, it can still pull through. I've thad hat happen with my two stage robinair.

This is an important post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Remember guys, that -29.5"hg depends on the barometric pressure/climate of where you're at

Also remember that -29.5"hg is appropriate in Colorado for purging butane. Anyone using a vac on other solvents will need different pressure inside the chamber (again depending on the above variables at the given location).

-29.5" was meant for people close to sea level. At my elevation in Colorado, the lowest relative pressure I've seen on my gauge is -25". Every 1000ft increase in elevation basically reduces the relative pressure reading by 1".

Thanks a lot @Bouldorado, now the vac process seems less alien. Another big question is to use or not the thermos tech. I see less probable problems with the thermos tek. But I remember @farscaper prefering by far blasting. As of today, wich way is favored?

Like @farscaper I've moved away from the thermos tek. I agree it uses more solvent and is definitely messier. It also requires more of a setup to filter it. The biggest draw for me though was time. With a tube blast, I can have oil ready for purging in 5-10 min. With the thermos tek, it was taking me closer to an hr, and it doesn't really add much in terms of quality to the final product.

Thermos tek still has the advantage if you're extracting kief though.

 

[negan]

Did my first QWET run yesterday. Went pretty well. I think I purge a bit too far for shatter, it is kind of in between shatter and crumble/honeycomb. I followed the Skunk farm instructions except for the bath temp. Anyone know if that is a misprint? They say 250 degrees for QWET but only 140 for iso even though iso's boiling point is a little higher than ethanol.

This was from 1 3 minute wash, filtered through strainer, 25 and 10 micron meshes. Used around ~6 grams here of not the best looking bud. This is the second time I have run this bud (strongly smells like a dentist office). Didn't yield much the first time, but much better this time. Maybe around .5ish grams, it is pretty airy though so maybe less.

Laid the buds out to dry then they went back into the freezer. Going to try BHO as a second wash, as Skunk farm mentions. Is vector butane ok to run with? I picked some up for my new BBB creme brulee torch.

Now I just need my FC-710 to show up.

 

[mayan]

Nice, negan!!! Very pretty!! How did you finish it - did you use a vacuum pump? If not, I would be interested in how long you kept it on heat, etc. I have been working solely with Etoh and have done quite well in the extraction process. Now, I'm trying to figure out how to get to the final product, so to speak. I have read as much as possible but have yet to see anything very specific on the end-game (without a vacuum purge). At any rate...beautiful!

Oh - and one other question. If I want to make a vapable product from kief...how long should I mix the kief and the alcohol? I plan on freezing both. I have read much on the subject but haven't really seen anything specific.

Thanks so much!