Comic Books (And The Movies / Shows Based On Them)

grokit

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Speaking of DC:

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I did not know about this :doh:!
edit: yeah I remember hearing the static about affleck as batman :freak:

Here's jesse as lex:

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EveryDayAmnesiac

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Marvel Unlimited is $9.99/month and allows reading of thousands of back issues of Marvel
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I think I'm going to try this, actually.

I suppose it's not the same as having a physical copy, but I bet it works great to "preview" stuff to see if you'd like it enough to own it tangibly.

I seem to be drawn to a lot of 80's stuff. What would you recommend that would intersect Marvel 101 with dark 80's stuff? I want to start with some real iconic stories - you know, so I can fake my way through being a comic book guru. :D
 
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Except where noted, at last check all of the below is on Marvel Unlimited


If you haven't read it already, in the 80s I'd start with the original Wolverine four issue mini series from 1982, written by Chris Claremont, art by Frank Miller. That's the one they messed up in the most recent Wolverine movie. Then there's the 1st Wolverine ongoing series that started in 1988. Similarly dark and violent are the original 5 issue Punisher miniseries (1986) and the 1st Punisher ongoing series starting in 1987 and Punisher: War Journal (1988).

In the X-men, there is arguably the most famous X-men storyline, the Dark Phoenix saga, from 1980 (The X-Men #129-138). Then the original Days of Future Past from 1981 (Uncanny X-men #141-142). And the miniseries Kitty Pride and Wolverine (1984) is also good.

The next obvious one is the original Secret Wars (1984). They are about to do another Secret Wars this summer (I am sure the original is better). And there is a Deadpool special coming soon, with him inserted into the original Secret Wars (he wasn't in it as he wasn't created until 1991).

From there, the Spider-man from right after Secret Wars is the obvious place to go. Spider-man gets his black costume in Secret Wars, and only afterwards discovers it is an alien (Venom). So the original Venom stories are from then. And then the Todd McFarlane Spider-man from 1988 (which includes more Venom) arguably the best Spider-man art since Ditko.

And then there is the best Thor run IMO - the Beta Ray Bill saga, writing and art by Walt Simonson, starting in Thor #337. The other Walt Simonson Thor is also excellent, but Beta Ray Bill is the best Thor from that period. (I just reread the Beta Ray Bill saga last week).


And then there is the stuff from the 90s (some of my personal favorites). The first group of Thanos Infinity comics- Infinity Gauntlet (1991), Infinity War (1992), Warlock and the Infinity Watch (1992), Infinity Crusade (1993). The Joe Kelly Deadpool is also from the 90s, but that is not in Marvel Unlimited (they make a lot of money selling that in a hard copy omnibus, which is worth owning).

And to sound like a hard-core comic book dude, you also have to read a bunch of the Brian Michael Bendis from the last decade that is about to dominate the movies and Netflix - all of the coming Marvel Netflix is derived from the Bendis runs on those characters (one of whom, Jessica Jones, he created). And he wrote more Civil War tie-in issues than anyone else. And about 3 times as many issues of Daredevil than Frank Miller did. Plus his run on Guardians of the Galaxy.

And in more recent and comical, the Daniel Way Deadpool (2008), Deadpool: Merc with a Mouth (2009), Deadpool Corps (2010), and the Brian Posehn/Gerry Duggan Deadpool (2012).
 
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Marvel Unlimited Update: As of today, they have FINALLY put the Joe Kelly Deadpool in Marvel Unlimited- seems to be all but issues 0 and -1. Starts with Deadpool #1 (1997). Though he had been around since 1991, this is Deadpool's first ongoing series and the run that made him the Deadpool the we know and love - varying sanity levels, occasional 4th-wall breaking, messing with Marvel continuity. And this is the run the Deadpool movie is drawing from. With this added, Marvel Unlimited has almost every issue of Deadpool, Cable & Deadpool, etc. Even has all but the most recent couple of months of the Posehn/Duggan issues.

The Joe Kelly run includes the 1st truly insane Deadpool issue, #11, which is Deadpool falling through time into Amazing Spiderman #47 (1967) (nearly the entire Spidey issue is reprinted in it with Deadpool inserted) where he mocks everyones 60's clothing, hair and lingo.
 
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grokit said:
Okay the dude from adventureland. I just caught that the other night :tup:
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I think Eisenberg will be good as Lex Luthor. But I am extremely wary of Affleck as Batman. Not so much because of his acting skills as because of how good Christian Bale was. Very hard act to follow, especially for a dude who has not shown acting chops of a comparable level.

I also have issues with Henry Cavill as Superman. But unlike with Affleck, it is not about the acting (actually I'd have been OK with Affleck as Superman, as he damn near played him already when he played George Reeves in Hollywoodland). Why are so many quintessentially American characters, like Superman, Spider-man, and the Thing being played by Brits? Arguably the only comic book character more American than Superman is Captain America.

And speaking of DC - what do folks think of the Atom on Arrow? My DC-loving brother in law is freaking out. The Atom is a DC equivalent of Ant-man, NOT Iron Man. Even I, generally a DC hater, know that. I was loving Arrow for the 1st two seasons, less so now in season 3.

And one last note - the effects in Powers truly suck. Like Monty Python sketch level of bad. When writing and acting are perfect, that can be ignored (like in most of the 70s Doctor Who, where you had Douglas Adams as head writer and the awesome Tom Baker as the Doctor, allowing one to ignore the paper mache and chicken wire). When the writing and acting are less than perfect, it becomes much harder to ignore. Not as noticeable in the 1st couple of episodes, but at this point it has made the show nearly unwatchable IMHO.
 
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I am seriously ambivalent about this one. A short on Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver as they will be in Age of Ultron. Voiceover is Joss Whedon, so it is accurate re the film. The part that is messing with me is Scarlet Witch- they changed her powers (no hexes or reality warping, telekinesis and some kind of thought control instead) and the assertion that she is more 'grounded' than Quicksilver.


As those of you who have read the comics know, neither character is what you'd call stable. But Wanda/Scarlet Witch as the MORE grounded one? She is so broken in the comics that she has repeatedly broken the entire Marvel Universe (most extremely in House of M, M-Day and Avengers Disassembled). She is so broken that the X-men and Avengers have discussed the option of killing her multiple times. Even her father (for now) Magneto at one point agreed she likely had to die.

Now, I love me some Joss Whedon. He is unusual for a film guy in that he has written some comics (some Black Widow and some Buffy and Angel, at least). And we knew Age of Ultron was going to vary wildly from the source material (if for no other reason than Marvel does not own the movie rights to the two characters who actually resolve it in the books, Wolverine and Sue Storm). And we knew the Maximoff kids would not be Magneto's children in the movies, since Marvel doesn't own the movie rights to him, either.

But there was no reason to alter her powers so much. They are already making her and Quicksilver Inhumans instead of Mutants. They are also already no longer Jews, since Magneto is not their dad (and because of this movie crap have now been retconned in the comics to not really be Magneto's kids either). And it appears they no longer have a Gypsy mother too (a double whammy for me as I am both a Jew and a Gypsy, one of the reasons I loved these characters).

Why fuck with powers that have been basically unchanged for over 40 years on top of the rest of that? If Scarlet Witch has no hex or sorcerous powers, why is she even being called 'Scarlet Witch'? How is this going to fuck up her connections to Doctor Strange, who Marvel DOES own the movie rights to (and have already cast)? They have pooled their magical abilities many times. If she is psionic instead, there is no connection to Strange anymore.

I am of course still gonna see the movie. And I may even enjoy it. But the geek in me is going to be raging the entire time. I just do not see a reason for this level of change. If you don't want sorcery, use a different character. Don't change a character who goes back to the Silver Age and was created by Lee and Kirby to be the crossover point for sorcery, mutants and the Avengers.
 
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EveryDayAmnesiac

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arf777 said:
And we knew the Maximoff kids would not be Magneto's children in the movies
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That's a shame that Magneto can't be involved. Ian Mckellan's Magneto is possbily my favorite comic book film representation - though I am not sure how accurate his portrayal is to the comics.

But... I think either way, Ian nailed it:



Although that honor may still reside with Ron Perlman's portrayal of HellBoy, which I DO know is accurate! :D

 
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EveryDayAmnesiac said:
That's a shame that Magneto can't be involved. Ian Mckellan's Magneto is possbily my favorite comic book film representation - though I am not sure how accurate his portrayal is to the comics.

But... I think either way, Ian nailed it:



Although that honor may still reside with Ron Perlman's portrayal of HellBoy, which I DO know is accurate! :D

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Both McKellen's Magneto and Perlman's Hellboy are about as accurate as they come (as is Chris Evans' Steve Rogers, I have to reluctantly admit). And I have to say Michael Fassbender's Magneto is also very good, despite how troubled I am to see an Aryan from Heidelberg playing the 1st open Jew in comic book history. I do wish they could have used that character, because that'd allow all sorts of people connected to him to appear in MCU flicks without alteration. Oh well. Maybe they'll eventually get a sharing deal with Fox like Marvel now has with Sony.

I am really hoping the Ryan Reynolds Deadpool is even more accurate. The costume and script are definitely leaning that way.
 
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This has me conflicted. Stephen Amell, aka Oliver Queen, has been cast as Casey Jones in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2.

http://www.newsarama.com/23989-arrow-s-stephen-amell-cast-as-casey-jones-in-tmnt-2.html

I am a big fan of Amell. And I loved the original TMNT comics that were satires of overwrought period comics. But I HATE the movies, the tv show, and the related crap. And I am not looking forward to Megan Fox infecting a screen Amell is on. Yes, she may be nice to look at (due to extensive surgery- she no more naturally looks like that than I, a bearded tubby Jewish cripple, do) but she cannot act to save her life.
 
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grokit said:
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Superman must be a democrat. Imaging what HE could do with money, brains, and hitek :lol:
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Cute. But actually Democrats have tons of money, brains and high tech :cool:. Not as much money as some GOPers, but more tech and brains (sorry to say, the brains part has actually been empirically proven, repeatedly- in the U.S. at least, conservative politics are correlated with lower IQ and less education- not a one to one correlation but statistically significant - remember, the GOP is where the people who reject evolution and climate science are concentrated, and therefore is not where the serious science and tech people tend to hang out).

Of course I think Thanos, a straight-up totalitarian, would kick both Superman's and Batman's asses. Simultaneously. And the Royalists Namor and Black Panther would kick Batman's ass (though not Superman's) And what about the kick-ass Canadians, Deadpool and Wolverine? Could maybe see Pool voting Conservative at some point (if the candidate was Rob Ford-esque), but not Logan.
 
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EveryDayAmnesiac

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arf777 said:
Cute. But actually Democrats have tons of money, brains and high tech :cool:. Not as much money as some GOPers, but more tech and brains (sorry to say, the brains part has actually been empirically proven, repeatedly- in the U.S. at least, conservative politics are correlated with lower IQ and less education- not a one to one correlation but statistically significant - remember, the GOP is where the people who reject evolution and climate science are concentrated, and therefore is not where the serious science and tech people tend to hang out).

Of course I think Thanos, a straight-up totalitarian, would kick both Superman's and Batman's asses. Simultaneously. And the Royalists Namor and Black Panther would kick Batman's ass (though not Superman's) And what about the kick-ass Canadians, Deadpool and Wolverine? Could maybe see Pool voting Conservative at some point (if the candidate was Rob Ford-esque), but not Logan.
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Yeah, but I know one badass superhero who could take them all on ...

Mr. Furious!


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"Casanova Frankenstein" :rofl:
 
arf777

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Officially the final Avengers: Age of Ultron trailer.

Whedon is starting to piss me off. The trailer lists all the major characters by name in the film EXCEPT the Vision. They included Scarlett Witch, Quicksilver, and Ultron, so it is not just Avengers or even future Avengers. And as we all know, the Vision IS an Avenger. WTF? Include the bad guy, but not one of the longest-running and most fan-beloved Avengers who does appear in the movie?

 
RUDE BOY

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Can they really use all the characters from a few decades of comics in a 2 hour movie though ?

I don't think 99% of people going to see this will even know all the back story like you and other hardcore longtime fans, most will be rather ignorant like me and never miss someone they've never heard about.
 
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RUDE BOY said:
Can they really use all the characters from a few decades of comics in a 2 hour movie though ?

I don't think 99% of people going to see this will even know all the back story like you and other hardcore longtime fans, most will be rather ignorant like me and never miss someone they've never heard about.
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But the Vision is in the movie - it was a big deal when he was cast and the costume pics released. And he appeared twice in a previous trailer - his eyes were the big reveal at the end of that trailer. And he is central to the story in the film, though likely not as central as in some of the comics.

I'd agree with you if he was either not in the flick at all, or had not been shown in any of the trailers, if they'd kept him a secret they were only revealing in the film itself.
 
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No clue how I missed this when the news broke. A terrifying rumor, that Marvel may be casting Vin Diesel, of all people, as Black Bolt, king of the Inhumans. As a fellow geek pointed out, that'd mean he'd have even fewer lines to memorize than in Guardians (for those who do not know, Black Bolt just about never speaks- his voice can cause earthquakes, flatten whole cities, and, in Infinity, set off a planet-affecting bomb- all it could not do was kill Thanos, who of course shook it off and moved on).

I am a fan of Vin, and if you've seen Find Me Guilty, you know he can actually act. But Black Bolt had had a consistent look and build for nearly 50 years. I'd have cast Vin Diesel as a different Inhuman, Black Bolt's cousin Gorgon.

Great pic that Vin Diesel posted when the rumor started -

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