Colie Glass

[slowandsteady]

Appreciate the clarification. I've never heard of slowandsteady glass. The handle is a reference to my other hobby, bbq. When I'm in the market for another piece I'll be sure to give you a call to see what you have on hand. I think I've seen your stuff on Craigslist, but not 100% sure.

 

[colieglass]

Appreciate the clarification. I've never heard of slowandsteady glass. The handle is a reference to my other hobby, bbq. When I'm in the market for another piece I'll be sure to give you a call to see what you have on hand. I think I've seen you stuff on Craigslist, but not 100% sure.

Lol! Yeah, thats me!
I have two orders for Recyclers that will be done on monday... They both will have the female joint, so you fire up that grill and shoot me a text... j.k... but shoot me a text, i have no problem meeting up with you and letting you take a look at a recycler.

my buddy is making a recycler too, hes on clist... theyre a little rough but a little cheaper.

 

[Xchadb]

Craigslist is how me and Andy met, and is also where the first cycler was found for R&D

 

[colieglass]

i wish somebody would order something heady.

 

[Anonymouse]

Heady is more popular with smokers, so they can't see how disgustingly grubby their pieces are inside.

 

[colieglass]

Heady is more popular with smokers, so they can't see how disgustingly grubby their pieces are inside.

where is the smokers forum? maybe theyll be nicer to me!

 

[Anonymouse]

where is the smokers forum? maybe theyll be nicer to me!

It burned down. Luckily, we had marshmallows.

 

[colieglass]

It burned down. Luckily, we had marshmallows.

now thats not very nice...
no matter what you order from me anonymouse, i am going to send you a heady ass bubbler with no ground joint so you have to smoke out of it.

 

[AdmiralAlpacha]

Lets see some pics of your heady work.

I don't know about anyone else here, but I love heady pieces, and I never smoke

 

[Anonymouse]

Challenge accepted!

I could totally MacGuyver up a whip adapter in like five minutes, using only ordinary household items and moxy. Let me go to the hardware store and you'd swear it was factory equipment.

But I would be sad. :c

Edit:
But not as sad as you would be once I got fed up, dremelled off the bowl, and crudely welded a scrap 18mm female joint from a broken Arizer bowl in its place using a MAPP torch and raw intuition, before posting pics in the thread.

 

[colieglass]

Challenge accepted!

I could totally MacGuyver up a whip adapter in like five minutes, using only ordinary household items and moxy. Let me go to the hardware store and you'd swear it was factory equipment.

But I would be sad. :c

and moxy?
you cant use moxy, no fair.



on the real life tip:
Im going to try to do a new inline piece today... than thats hopefully going to lead to me conquering the double inline hopefully. and who knows, in a couple of years, i could be making double inline recyclers, and thats where the big bucks start rolling in

 

[Xchadb]

now thats not very nice...
no matter what you order from me anonymouse, i am going to send you a heady ass bubbler with no ground joint so you have to smoke out of it.

hahahahha!

@Anonymouse ->those torches from BB&Beyond melt boro! i challenge you.

 

[Anonymouse]

and moxy?
Im going to try to do a new inline piece today... than thats hopefully going to lead to me conquering the double inline hopefully. and who knows, in a couple of years, i could be making double inline recyclers, and thats where the big bucks start rolling in

Disc percs work more efficiently in a recycler, though (even if they don't have the funky external plumbing). With stem or inline, recycled water/vapour mix can bypass the perc as it cycles, whereas a disc forces it to pass through the perc multiple times, chopping it into more bubbles.

I wonder how practical it would be to stack discs (like honeycombs or whatever), say 4-5 of them evenly spaced up the can to force the water to climb up them like a "ladder" as you inhale (any water that gets pulled up through perc holes can't easily fall back through due to the air flowing up through them), and use that lifting effect to drive a recycler/recirculator. Would look awesome in operation if it works and should function well. Probably quite a bit of drag, though, and you'd have to pull hard to get all "stages" of the perc firing. Would love to watch it climb the ladder, though.

 

[colieglass]

Disc percs work more efficiently in a recycler, though (even if they don't have the funky external plumbing). With stem or inline, recycled water/vapour mix can bypass the perc as it cycles, whereas a disc forces it to pass through the perc multiple times, chopping it into more bubbles.

I wonder how practical it would be to stack discs (like honeycombs or whatever), say 4-5 of them evenly spaced up the can to force the water to climb up them like a "ladder" as you inhale (any water that gets pulled up through perc holes can't easily fall back through due to the air flowing up through them), and use that lifting effect to drive a recycler/recirculator. Would looks awesome in operation if it works and should function well. Probably quite a bit of drag, though, and you'd have to pull hard to get all "stages" of the perc firing. Would love to watch it climb the ladder, though.

you seem to know alot about this... you ever thought of hopping on a torch yourself?

 

[Anonymouse]

I'd love to give it a go, but there's no convenient places to learn around here (Australia) and technically anything I made would be locally illegal (pretty safe to have pieces, but I couldn't advertise or sell my work, so it'd be fixed as a hobby with a huge setup cost). :c

I just get so many goddamn ideas, though, especially with chemical assistance. It's frustrating.

(e.g., making stamped disk perks in a machined steel die. Heat a glass disc, squish it in the die, let it cool/trim excess, sell to pipe makers (or use). You could have all sorts of nifty shapes, from the existing honeycombs, etc, to mathematically perfect venturis, vectored cyclones, etc, and all discs of the same type would all be exactly the same shape and perform identically. As far as I can see nobody's done anything with venturi injection yet and I think it has amazing potential. Theoretically super-high diffusion in a small piece, plus you get a cool "foam fountain in a bottle" effect...)

 

[colieglass]

I'd love to give it a go, but there's no convenient places to learn around here (Australia) and technically anything I made would be locally illegal (pretty safe to have pieces, but I couldn't advertise or sell my work, so it'd be fixed as a hobby with a huge setup cost). :c

I just get so many goddamn ideas, though, especially with chemical assistance. It's frustrating.

(e.g., making stamped disk perks in a machined steel die. Heat a glass disc, squish it in the die, let it cool/trim excess, sell to pipe makers (or use). You could have all sorts of nifty shapes, from the existing honeycombs, etc, to mathematically perfect venturis, vectored cyclones, etc, and all discs of the same type would all be exactly the same shape and perform identically. As far as I can see nobody's done anything with venturi injection yet and I think it has amazing potential. Theoretically super-high diffusion in a small piece, plus you get a cool "foam fountain in a bottle" effect...)

well lets be realistic than, say i do make this expieriimental 4 disc perc piece, how many of you are going to actually buy it? I would have to charge like 400 for that. thats why i make pieces, in order to feed myself. let keep stacking percs, thats the obvious move. its gonna be real hard to pull through that and get it to start going, then i get coimplaints on how much splash back it has... do you really believe youre the only person who thought, "hey lets stack honeycombs on top of eachother till we cant stand it".? i just think we can do alot better than continually stacking percs on eachother and calling it an upgrade. I think thats the obvious route of evolution in glass and everybody sees it without much effort. and i feel the glass blowers of today are reaching for something a little more than the obvious. something different. we have all thought of stacking honeycombs is my point.



and we did put a honeycomb in a recycler, it cause too much bubbles, slowed the momentum and it didnt vortex at all, just had bubbles stacking in the part where it was supposed to vortex. when you add one thing, it effects another.


And Regardless anonymouse, i went ahead and called every glass blower in the world, and we decided that you really only like heady stuff with no ground joint. so youre going to have to learn to blow glass in order to get those clear pieces again. But we all agreed, you love heady glass.

 

[Tweek]

For the folks worrying about legalities, why not start forming other types of functional glass pieces? The process as a whole looks fascinating. Although not related to herb, the corning glass museum has tons of great traditional videos online...a real blast to watch and you actually learn alot.

Sorry for the derail. Love your work man.

 

[colieglass]

For the folks worrying about legalities, why not start forming other types of functional glass pieces? The process as a whole looks fascinating. Although not related to herb, the corning glass museum has tons of great traditional videos online...a real blast to watch and you actually learn alot.

Sorry for the derail. Love your work man.

Thats cool you watch the corning glass museum. I watch that channel on you tube. It is crazy when they make those big bowls and it takes like 4 people just to spin the blow tube. I wish I had a kiln like those cats work with. You could make some massive shit.
For all of you that live in texas, there is this place, i think it is in forth worth, but its a giant garden, with fountains and all kinds of waterfalls and landscapes, but the catch is it is all made of glass. when we went there it started raining real hard and glass leaves were flying off the glass plants, and this team of lampworking motherfuckers run out there with their torches and start repairing shit in the rain, i wish i could remember the name of it but it is quite amazing. I think its called chuys or something, somebody help me out if they are from texas and know what I am talking about. Some of them are crazy, throwing their torches and spinning blow tubes and rods like they are tom cruise in cocktail.. pretty amazing team of artist.

 

[Tweek]

Love those videos...love glass blowing videos in general. They help me get an idea of the effort and skill that goes into any glass piece. Heck, I even look at a glass cup in a whole new light.

 

[colieglass]

 

[Anonymouse]

well lets be realistic than, say i do make this expieriimental 4 disc perc piece, how many of you are going to actually buy it? I would have to charge like 400 for that. thats why i make pieces, in order to feed myself.

On this forum, I doubt it'd last a week at that price, as long as it looked awesome. But I never suggested you make one, just wondered if it would work, since I've never seen staged disc percs ever actually done.

let keep stacking percs, thats the obvious move. its gonna be real hard to pull through that and get it to start going,

Well, that depends on how much restriction each perc provides, from an airy waffle to a dense frit, etc. I think honeycombs with fewer, larger holes would probably be the easiest option, then tune the percentage of hole to glass in each disk until you get the right flow behaviour from the piece as a whole. I'd probably work up some sort of tuning rig outta clear plastic and metal that'd let me try different numbers of perks, spacings, different restrictions in each stages, etc, get all the final settings and measurements, then try it in glass having a good idea how the end result will behave.

I'd play with venturis or flow-powered gears, or something else before that, though. Or an induction-venturi-powered recirculator. Or whatever the green elves whisper to me about on any given day.

then i get coimplaints on how much splash back it has...

Again, you could totally mitigate this by design. Splashguard, or mouthpiece shape, or have the top of the ladder unload into whirlpool chamber and make it recycle, then put the mouthpiece in the dead spot. Or it could go over a waterfall into the reservoir instead of a vortex, or something. Still looks cool, and prevents the water all collecting in the top stages on long draws. Probably better to tune the discs to reach equilibrium with similar fluid volumes in each stage, though, so that recyling offers no advantage.

do you really believe youre the only person who thought, "hey lets stack honeycombs on top of eachother till we cant stand it".?

I don't recall asserting that I did. I asked a question about the practicalities of stacked discs, but that's not quite the same.

i just think we can do alot better than continually stacking percs on eachother and calling it an upgrade. I think thats the obvious route of evolution in glass and everybody sees it without much effort. and i feel the glass blowers of today are reaching for something a little more than the obvious. something different. we have all thought of stacking honeycombs is my point.

I did suggest a bunch of other ideas, and even got a couple likes, so I'm not sure why you're devoting so much time to the one single post that got no likes, and was a question, rather than an example of an idea.

and we did put a honeycomb in a recycler, it cause too much bubbles, slowed the momentum and it didnt vortex at all, just had bubbles stacking in the part where it was supposed to vortex. when you add one thing, it effects another.

There's so many variables though. Perc diameter, can volume, restrictions and flow-rate caps, etc. How big was the honeycomb? How many holes? How big were the holes? How tight was the restriction under the whirlpool chamber? By messing with those you could get the stacking to a level where it didn't foam up the whirlpool chamber, and formed a clean vortex. Chamber shape, injection port height, angle, restriction (speeds injection flow) and plenty of other boring shit are all important to a neat, sustained vortex.

Even a 3/4" three-hole disc is technically a honeycomb, for example.

And Regardless anonymouse, i went ahead and called every glass blower in the world, and we decided that you really only like heady stuff with no ground joint. so youre going to have to learn to blow glass in order to get those clear pieces again. But we all agreed, you love heady glass.

I can't even buy glass without having to do it sight-unseen over the Internet and pay massive freight. No boro suppliers to browse around here, lucky yanks don't know how good they have it, mutter mutter <trails off>.

Where was I? Oh right. Reselling my free upgrades to worked heady pieces on the forums to finance buying clear stuff from ALT/Kulture, etc. Sucks I can't get custom stuff made for myself anymore, but at least I can buy lots of brand name shit cheap now.



Hrm. Fuck but I rant a bit when medicated. :/

 

[colieglass]

On this forum, I doubt it'd last a week at that price, as long as it looked awesome. But I never suggested you make one, just wondered if it would work, since I've never seen staged disc percs ever actually done.



Well, that depends on how much restriction each perc provides, from an airy waffle to a dense frit, etc. I think honeycombs with fewer, larger holes would probably be the easiest option, then tune the percentage of hole to glass in each disk until you get the right flow behaviour from the piece as a whole. I'd probably work up some sort of tuning rig outta clear plastic and metal that'd let me try different numbers of perks, spacings, different restrictions in each stages, etc, get all the final settings and measurements, then try it in glass having a good idea how the end result will behave.

I'd play with venturis or flow-powered gears, or something else before that, though. Or an induction-venturi-powered recirculator. Or whatever the green elves whisper to me about on any given day.



Again, you could totally mitigate this by design. Splashguard, or mouthpiece shape, or have the top of the ladder unload into whirlpool chamber and make it recycle, then put the mouthpiece in the dead spot. Or it could go over a waterfall into the reservoir instead of a vortex, or something. Still looks cool, and prevents the water all collecting in the top stages on long draws. Probably better to tune the discs to reach equilibrium with similar fluid volumes in each stage, though, so that recyling offers no advantage.



I don't recall asserting that I did. I asked a question about the practicalities of stacked discs, but that's not quite the same.



I did suggest a bunch of other ideas, and even got a couple likes, so I'm not sure why you're devoting so much time to the one single post that got no likes, and was a question, rather than an example of an idea.



There's so many variables though. Perc diameter, can volume, restrictions and flow-rate caps, etc. How big was the honeycomb? How many holes? How big were the holes? How tight was the restriction under the whirlpool chamber? By messing with those you could get the stacking to a level where it didn't foam up the whirlpool chamber, and formed a clean vortex. Chamber shape, injection port height, angle, restriction (speeds injection flow) and plenty of other boring shit are all important to a neat, sustained vortex.

Even a 3/4" three-hole disc is technically a honeycomb, for example.



I can't even buy glass without having to do it sight-unseen over the Internet and pay massive freight. No boro suppliers to browse around here, lucky yanks don't know how good they have it, mutter mutter <trails off>.

Where was I? Oh right. Reselling my free upgrades to worked heady pieces on the forums to finance buying clear stuff from ALT/Kulture, etc. Sucks I can't get custom stuff made for myself anymore, but at least I can buy lots of brand name shit cheap now.



Hrm. Fuck but I rant a bit when medicated. :/

First off, Good job, for getting us talking. This is good for the culture even though our little feelers get a little hurt. It reminds me of this video I seen this morning from my buddy citizen jay... (search him on youtube..)

Dont get me started on green elves

OH! Now, I have to learn how to make plastic bongs and make prototypes of each piece in plastic? And now you want a splash guard on there too?!?! thats gonna be another 80 bucks... Lol. You just said to have bigger holes, but to have these disc reach "equilibrium" or even water lever on each disc the holes would have to be small enought to hold the water, honeycombs with big holes dont hold water. so that makes no sense.


I dont base my responses to questions on how many likes i get sorry. I speak on things that effect me. And try to educate as well as learn with my experience on this subject. I also dont know those fancy html codes where you seperate each quote so I can answer each of your questions individually.

i doubt the 400 dollar 4 disc honeycomb would sell cause even the honey to reti at 140 didnt sell on here. If it would, jhan would already be making them, i promise. (ANYBODY WHO WANTS A FOUR DISC HONEYCOMB OR ANY DISC PERC FOR THAT MATTER, HIT ME UP AND ILL DO IT FOR 350. NO RETURNS THOUGH)

I did the honeycomb recycler and i didnt like it, therfore it never got released. many people advised me against doing it and after i did i regretted it. What do you mean by messing with those? You could get it to foam a vortex?? do you have a video of this or anything actually ever happening? Just like this four disc, putting different percs in a recycler is nothing that hasnt been tried a million times already. Im open to suggestion if you can show some evidence, but to me it doesnt compute.

Here is a video, with a 2 disc, 72 hole honeycomb with a cloud stacked on top of it... listen to how hard i am pulling. there gets to be a point where it is working against you. the best pieces i have ever hit were small and had a single perc... (JMO) But the point being, that a four disc honeycomb with multiple chambers would not only be ridiculously hard to make, would be well out of the price range for your average glass buyer, and the vape users would hate the drag, JMO.

I am guilty of buying glass from ALT and Kulture, but most of the glass i use myself is made by a local artist here in colorado named timeaccelerator. Ive been compiling some pics and i plan to start a thread with his gear as soon as he is ready to stat snapping again. The real question is what would you pay for a four disc perc from alt or kulture? i have gotten pieces from alt, that I would call second quality.

also a honeycomb disc with 3 holes?? I thought that was just called a disc perc... do me a favor and research what a "DENUDER" is and get back to me.
Yeah, you must medicate alot.

 

[Anonymouse]

Again, though, no-one is actually asking for a staged piece. Or did.

When you started responding as though people were asking for them, I thought maybe you'd mentally merged the post with the likes with the post above where I first talked about it, and taken it as people liking the idea (which apparently none did).

I didn't say anything about you doing prototyping in metal and plastic, or that you'd "have to" do anything. I just said what I'd do based on what I'm familiar with and what my workshop is set up for. I feel like you're putting words in my mouth then taking offence, or something. :c

Pulling through two high-restriction disks is not a very fitting example, though, as a piece designed to be multi-stage would use lower-restriction ones that in total added up to an acceptable total drag. Similarly, just because one recycler design didn't work with a honeycomb, doesn't mean no design will. Heck, it might even work just with a change of measurements/proportions, not design.

Yeah, I've had shit with bubbles in it, twisted mouthpieces, etc from ALT. And they don't seem to give much of a crap when you tell them, especially if you're not a US customer. I'd rather support artists directly anyway, and not have a big chunk of my purchase cost go to the distribution chain. But what choice did you give me, making all the worlds' glassblowers only produce heady pieces for me. :c

Yes, a 3/4" disc with three holes would technically be a honeycomb. The term pretty-much just means a disc full of holes, ideally in a hex pattern (as it's most spatially efficient) but I've seen it applied to a square grid or even randomly scattered holes too. Either way, you can't fit many holes in a 3/4" disc unless you go pretty small.

I've only head of a "denuder" as applied to lab equipment. Never heard it in relation to water pipes. Can't think how it would apply, since it's a sampling device. Do you want to use the core of a glass one as a really long honeycomb or something?

Alright, let's end on a question. So what is the process for fixing a disc perc in a tube? I've wondered on multiple occasions, but not enough to actually try to find out as yet, since I figure I'll never get the opportunity to play with the stuff myself.

 

[colieglass]

Again, though, no-one is actually asking for a staged piece. Or did.

When you started responding as though people were asking for them, I thought maybe you'd mentally merged the post with the likes with the post above where I first talked about it, and taken it as people liking the idea (which apparently none did).

I didn't say anything about you doing prototyping in metal and plastic, or that you'd "have to" do anything. I just said what I'd do based on what I'm familiar with and what my workshop is set up for. I feel like you're putting words in my mouth then taking offence, or something. :c

Pulling through two high-restriction disks is not a very fitting example, though, as a piece designed to be multi-stage would use lower-restriction ones that in total added up to an acceptable total drag. Similarly, just because one recycler design didn't work with a honeycomb, doesn't mean no design will. Heck, it might even work just with a change of measurements/proportions, not design.

Yeah, I've had shit with bubbles in it, twisted mouthpieces, etc from ALT. And they don't seem to give much of a crap when you tell them, especially if you're not a US customer. I'd rather support artists directly anyway, and not have a big chunk of my purchase cost go to the distribution chain. But what choice did you give me, making all the worlds' glassblowers only produce heady pieces for me. :c

Yes, a 3/4" disc with three holes would technically be a honeycomb. The term pretty-much just means a disc full of holes, ideally in a hex pattern (as it's most spatially efficient) but I've seen it applied to a square grid or even randomly scattered holes too. Either way, you can't fit many holes in a 3/4" disc unless you go pretty small.

I've only head of a "denuder" as applied to lab equipment. Never heard it in relation to water pipes. Can't think how it would apply, since it's a sampling device. Do you want to use the core of a glass one as a really long honeycomb or something?

Alright, let's end on a question. So what is the process for fixing a disc perc in a tube? I've wondered on multiple occasions, but not enough to actually try to find out as yet, since I figure I'll never get the opportunity to play with the stuff myself.

no no no... nobody is taking offense, Im just telling you. We have tried the 4 disc honeycomb, it sucked and we moved on. Just like I am with this topic if youre getting offended. we are on this forum to educate ourselves right??? shit i never even owned a vape at the beginning of this year. Were not going to continue this conversation if it gets heated.

but a 4 chamber disc perc? give me a drawing or something, i will try it.

Yeah, the denuder is where we got the idea, it looks like a honeycomb. now take that long denuder and cut it into thin disc and what do you have? all of our shit is stolen from lab equipment and if you have knowledge on this topic, you can see where glass blowers have taken other forms of lab equipment and applied the same science to their waterpipes..

as for ALT... its not that youre not in the states, everyone who has an issue all of sudden becomes their enemy... I like kulture VA, although I have never had to ask them for anything, everything always turned out alright. As for going above and beyond my expectations highpriorityglass seems to take care of their customers well but you do pay for it in a sense.

as for the process of the disc, you take a tube, cut it where you want the disc to set, set it in the lathe, start getting the edges hot, and stack the disc on top of, spin it, smooth it, stack some more tube... heat it, spin it, stack it... than the same thing with as many disc as you want. swagger glass has a really cool videro of them stacking percs. im seriously searching for it everywhere and i cant find it, hopefully chadb will chime in cause i know he knows where to find it... its the circ to 9 arm or whatever theyre making in the video, same process, just disc

 

[Anonymouse]

I was getting a bit of a "heated" vibe from your previous reply. I thought you seemed offended, but if my wires were crossed, all the better, as I was not trying to cause any. Then again my judgement is somewhat impaired right now, I guess.

Interesting how the perks go in. I looked at the perfect outer walls and assumed they used tube of final length, slid a disc down inside, and somehow through-welded it with a ring burner or something. Like I said, not a glassblower. I do like to know how stuff goes together, though, as it helps you think what else could be assembled using the same techniques.

Thinking about it, the "disc percs"could be as simple as a diaphagm with a single hole, slightly offset from centre (allowing them to be rotated so that each discs' hole doesn't line up with any above or below, slowing backflow). Actually combines some of the earlier thought in that the single holes, as well as being easy to make, would also act like crude venturis, and generate a shitload of turbulence, so they'd be more effective than they sound. I'll try to get around to sketching something up, but it's near 4.00am and I doubt it'll happen before tomorrow.