Cheap High Quality Bubbler

[Hogni]

@abcd5432 Thanks a lot for your efforts!

I know from my own experiences in organizing group buys how much work a group buy does make.
Such actions make a forum alive!

BTT, absolutely! Shipping from China to the US and then to Europe wouldn't make sense in no way!

Guess in this case total costs (incl. customs) would be higher than buying regulary at hemping with shipping directely to Europe.

 

[ataxian]

Things look to be quite promising with the group buy.
I can now much more highly recommend getting in on this if you want a clear piece. The heady looking pieces will of course cost significantly more. It's looking like you can get clear pieces for as low as $50-60 after shipping depending on your rates. The colored ones look to be $90-110 minimum after shipping.

I'm being as conservative as possible so you may be pleasantly surprised. 2 pieces end up being very expensive, not sure why. Main cost is actually just shipping.

I'll be collecting the zip codes of everyone in the group buy next to get some shipping cost estimates.

I had said originally 10 people for the group buy. I'll leave this open for the next 2 weeks, but I'll allow up to 24 people. I'll update with more details, but I may be focusing around one of the cheaper pieces like the matrix bubbler, and then you can add more from there.

Ill update when I get off work with the best value pieces (clear).

I'm most likely out of date?
Hey do you have a FC186?

This thing is a medecator!

 

[Hogni]

Yepp, love mine and it's so a simple shaped beauty and easy to clean.
Its my fav vape for smoking (shame on me) herbs.

 

[abcd5432]

I don't own that piece @ataxian.
Once I finish the group buy I want to see how my pieces hit before I get that.. It's on my list but I think the straight fab from hemping may be good enough that I don't want or need such a piece.

Also, I wanted to contact hemping about making these pieces. I think be should work more on cloning the mobius pieces than anything else. I'm extremely biased as a current mobius owner.

I also just think a stereo matrix like that is a little weird.

I want to see these things diffuse smoke on slow motion, I just don't want to lay $1000 for a stupid Sony camera to do so.

 

[Baron23]

Things look to be quite promising with the group buy.
I can now much more highly recommend getting in on this if you want a clear piece. The heady looking pieces will of course cost significantly more. It's looking like you can get clear pieces for as low as $50-60 after shipping depending on your rates. The colored ones look to be $90-110 minimum after shipping.

I'm being as conservative as possible so you may be pleasantly surprised. 2 pieces end up being very expensive, not sure why. Main cost is actually just shipping.

I'll be collecting the zip codes of everyone in the group buy next to get some shipping cost estimates.

I had said originally 10 people for the group buy. I'll leave this open for the next 2 weeks, but I'll allow up to 24 people. I'll update with more details, but I may be focusing around one of the cheaper pieces like the matrix bubbler, and then you can add more from there.

Ill update when I get off work with the best value pieces (clear).

Thanks!! I'm still in for the Matrix knock-off as we discussed via PM. Look forward to final info on what/when/where/how.

Cheers

 

[063_XOBX]

I'm personally not interested in any clear glass from hemping/Zhang except maybe the mini fab egg.

 

[ataxian]

I don't own that piece @ataxian.
Once I finish the group buy I want to see how my pieces hit before I get that.. It's on my list but I think the straight fab from hemping may be good enough that I don't want or need such a piece.

Also, I wanted to contact hemping about making these pieces. I think be should work more on cloning the mobius pieces than anything else. I'm extremely biased as a current mobius owner.

I also just think a stereo matrix like that is a little weird.

I want to see these things diffuse smoke on slow motion, I just don't want to lay $1000 for a stupid Sony camera to do so.

I didn't start smoking pot until 1970.
So I don't think to have the experience as you?
I had a little over 30 pieces so not so many.
The FC pieces from STEVEN www.dhgate.com have all worked out.
I have all the D series from SUNSHINE STORE no problems.
kathy 057, gb, clearglass have been fine. LIBERTY for sure!

I hated glass until the 000's.
Joints were the best for me.(MISSING THEM, HOWEVER FLAVOR/VAPE)
BonG mouthpieces were gross to me.
Smaller mouthpiece's I prefer.

To me (doesn't matter what my option is.)
VAPORIZING with a WATER PATH is very nice.

I broke all my custom blown glass from my state.

$500 or $29 they both break the same?

I only have 20 pieces now.

When I break the rest I'll buy more!

The FC 187 has a nice perk however the mouthpiece is lame.
Thinking to cut it off. (18mm male facing down so I can use a JHOOK from sunshine store. 5 for $20. Large ASH COLLECTOR mentality.

CIVILIZED one day?

 

[abcd5432]

I'm personally not interested in any clear glass from hemping/Zhang except maybe the mini fab egg.

Get one then. Anything clear I think will be worth it from a function/quality wise. That's the super cheap side of me talking.
The designed stuff, I'm finding errors that need clarification now that I'm looking at this at normal hours of the day and not during Chinese hours of operation.

Anyway now that I'm home here is my selection of pieces.
My favorite and the one I'll recommend anyone. It's cheapest and is basically like an upgraded FC 187 or whatever. Get the Narrow for less diffusion, keep in mind it's a little taller due to the way the mouth piece is angled.
http://www.szhpbl.cn/content/?1057.html Wide
http://www.szhpbl.cn/content/?1056.html Narrow

(Wide Pictured)
$47-60 shipped.

http://www.szhpbl.cn/content/?1063.html

$60-70 after shipping
(Clear is may also be available. If so, hopefully should be about $5 cheaper)

Clear version of this
http://www.szhpbl.cn/content/?1025.html

$60-70 after shipping.
The colored would be $95-110 so it can go in both categories.

Some good deals on the design stuff:
http://www.szhpbl.cn/content/?1082.html
This came out cheaper than what I expected. Maybe people don't like slyme or something and that's why.

$75-80 shipped.

http://www.szhpbl.cn/content/?1081.html

$90-100 shipped.
I post this one because it's the only incycler I saw on here. I guess a Klein is considered an "incycler", but I don't because the arm comes out and is a tipping point. Here, the arm is fully contained within the piece. This could also be considered a straight taurus fab. I haven't seen any of these around, so this is definitely a nice thing to pick up. Obviously I'd ask for a straighter perc (That's crooked right?)

$90-100 shipped
This is just the straight fab.

This list is pretty recycler heavy. I don't believe there is much value in getting the other pieces because they're not hard to do. The rest were quite simple designs that I believe you can find on DHGate already.
Also, the Matrix bubbler pretty much is better than a lot of other choices. You're welcome to take a look at the other recyclers, they're all pretty small and should come at around the matrix bubbler price so if you just want a cheap small recycler of better quality than normal DHGate glass I guess you can try that out.

If you wanted to be cheap, the Matrix Bubbler + Clear FTK/Klein would be a great package deal. Probably looking at $85 shipped for that.

If you're looking for a straight fab for cheap, there isn't one that I saw. You could try the ball rig though. I've posted what I feel is the best selection though after about 4-6 hours of looking through this today.

I didn't start smoking pot until 1970.
So I don't think to have the experience as you?
I had a little over 30 pieces so not so many.
The FC pieces from STEVEN www.dhgate.com have all worked out.
I have all the D series from SUNSHINE STORE no problems.
kathy 057, gb, clearglass have been fine. LIBERTY for sure!

I hated glass until the 000's.
Joints were the best for me.(MISSING THEM, HOWEVER FLAVOR/VAPE)
BonG mouthpieces were gross to me.
Smaller mouthpiece's I prefer.

To me (doesn't matter what my option is.)
VAPORIZING with a WATER PATH is very nice.

I broke all my custom blown glass from my state.

$500 or $29 they both break the same?

I only have 20 pieces now.

When I break the rest I'll buy more!

The FC 187 has a nice perk however the mouthpiece is lame.
Thinking to cut it off. (18mm male facing down so I can use a JHOOK from sunshine store. 5 for $20. Large ASH COLLECTOR mentality.

CIVILIZED one day?

Your posts are always hilarious. Nah, I got to try out a lot of glass in college but by no means have I tried out enough. I have enough experience with the Matrix perc to realize the difference between a cheap one and a good one.
Kathy0577 isn't a seller on DHGate anymore due to just lowquality everything (Even lead apparently, she may be back under a new name who knows though),
Her matrix perc is basically just a normal tyre perc. Very few slits
StevenLMZ adds more, but I don't have one personally. The function from videos I've seen seems to be good though.
The one from Hemping adds even MORE slits. That allows for a very easy effortless pull.

The main draw resistance from my mobius piece is the downstem. The matrix pull is effortless. So you'd get a LOT less draw resistance if this matrix perc is done even better than Stevens.

I do agree with you, my main issue with these pieces are the mouth pieces. I believe that the atom Matrix design changed the game. I would prefer all the mouth pieces to be "sip" style. The wide flared ones are the WORST.

Mobius 2016 lineup has a CRAZY new mouthpiece that I don't even know how you hit it.

My local store is an authorized Mobius dealer, I may have to see it in person.

 

[Jethro]

Yeah I don't like the look of that but I bet it works great lol

 

[ataxian]

Get one then. Anything clear I think will be worth it from a function/quality wise. That's the super cheap side of me talking.
The designed stuff, I'm finding errors that need clarification now that I'm looking at this at normal hours of the day and not during Chinese hours of operation.

Anyway now that I'm home here is my selection of pieces.
My favorite and the one I'll recommend anyone. It's cheapest and is basically like an upgraded FC 187 or whatever. Get the Narrow for less diffusion, keep in mind it's a little taller due to the way the mouth piece is angled.
http://www.szhpbl.cn/content/?1057.html Wide
http://www.szhpbl.cn/content/?1056.html Narrow

(Wide Pictured)
$47-60 shipped.

http://www.szhpbl.cn/content/?1063.html

$60-70 after shipping
(Clear is may also be available. If so, hopefully should be about $5 cheaper)

Clear version of this
http://www.szhpbl.cn/content/?1025.html

$60-70 after shipping.
The colored would be $95-110 so it can go in both categories.

Some good deals on the design stuff:
http://www.szhpbl.cn/content/?1082.html
This came out cheaper than what I expected. Maybe people don't like slyme or something and that's why.

$75-80 shipped.

http://www.szhpbl.cn/content/?1081.html

$90-100 shipped.
I post this one because it's the only incycler I saw on here. I guess a Klein is considered an "incycler", but I don't because the arm comes out and is a tipping point. Here, the arm is fully contained within the piece. This could also be considered a straight taurus fab. I haven't seen any of these around, so this is definitely a nice thing to pick up. Obviously I'd ask for a straighter perc (That's crooked right?)

$90-100 shipped
This is just the straight fab.

This list is pretty recycler heavy. I don't believe there is much value in getting the other pieces because they're not hard to do. The rest were quite simple designs that I believe you can find on DHGate already.
Also, the Matrix bubbler pretty much is better than a lot of other choices. You're welcome to take a look at the other recyclers, they're all pretty small and should come at around the matrix bubbler price so if you just want a cheap small recycler of better quality than normal DHGate glass I guess you can try that out.

If you wanted to be cheap, the Matrix Bubbler + Clear FTK/Klein would be a great package deal. Probably looking at $85 shipped for that.

If you're looking for a straight fab for cheap, there isn't one that I saw. You could try the ball rig though. I've posted what I feel is the best selection though after about 4-6 hours of looking through this today.


Your posts are always hilarious. Nah, I got to try out a lot of glass in college but by no means have I tried out enough. I have enough experience with the Matrix perc to realize the difference between a cheap one and a good one.
Kathy0577 isn't a seller on DHGate anymore due to just lowquality everything (Even lead apparently, she may be back under a new name who knows though),
Her matrix perc is basically just a normal tyre perc. Very few slits
StevenLMZ adds more, but I don't have one personally. The function from videos I've seen seems to be good though.
The one from Hemping adds even MORE slits. That allows for a very easy effortless pull.

The main draw resistance from my mobius piece is the downstem. The matrix pull is effortless. So you'd get a LOT less draw resistance if this matrix perc is done even better than Stevens.

I do agree with you, my main issue with these pieces are the mouth pieces. I believe that the atom Matrix design changed the game. I would prefer all the mouth pieces to be "sip" style. The wide flared ones are the WORST.

Mobius 2016 lineup has a CRAZY new mouthpiece that I don't even know how you hit it.

My local store is an authorized Mobius dealer, I may have to see it in person.

I grew up in a SURF CITY so I started surfing early in life.
After HS my family moved to HAWAII. (what a dream!)
I moved to the North Shore @18.
5 acres along the beach we grew mixes.
AFGHANI with MAUI WOWIE.
We were lazy surfers but we grew great weed without seeds before it was a thing.
BonG's were third world devices made for Hunter gathers. (bamboo)

The Design is very primitive.
Large mouthpieces are a caveman invention.

After Hawaii I did go to College.

I smoked ZIG ZAGS in the beginning.
BonG's I never learn how to use them?
My friends on the mainland were into Bob Marley and BonG's. I was not ready to go backwards.
2011 I had a BUBBLER with a small mouthpiece.
What a difference?

I like water path now.

I tried custom however they break?
So I buy CHEAP GLASS until they have a new high tech material that does not affect flavor or break into pieces.

2,000 years more maybe?

CIVILIZED somewhat?

FC187 just reduce the mouthpiece! (18mm MALE facing down - cut off mouthpiece currently added)

@scalescliffs I use my vaporizers to the way they suit my needs.

 

[abcd5432]

I didn't pack or roll so when I first started it was with whatever was around. I started in my frat house in college, so we had bongs, bowls, whatever.

I understand your pain with breaking glass. If I clean my place, I break glass. I don't know why, but something about cleaning makes me break glass. I broke $2k+ worth of bongs in college. If only I had known that stuff was probably all cheap Chinese glass....

This stuff is a little more expensive Ataxian, but the clear stuff isn't. The clear stuff would be comparable to DHGate pricing, with maybe slightly more due to shipping.

I'm ordering 6-7 pieces myself it looks like. I was going to get 3-4 but 6-7 looks better. I can tell you, they will ALL sit in my display case. Only the matrix bubbler will be in use and ONE of the FTKs. I hate breaking glass.

If I break that FTK, it's getting replaced with a clear one. StevenLMZ's FTK functions well enough that it's always there as a backup.

The only reason I'm not getting all clear pieces is because this is the cheapest I'll see these at which makes it appealing and having something that looks sweet and functions sweet is nice. Otherwise, like I posted before, I think a Clear FTK/Klein+Matrix Bubbler is what people should go for if they're interested. Cheap but effective. Gives 2 diffusion options.
But if this comes as advertised, it's probably my last glass order for awhile (So I say....)
The FTK and Matrix will be my daily. I know people love their flavor, but man, I love the FTK. That's what I use the most.
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Also can't edit my last post but here is the link to this piece:
http://www.szhpbl.cn/content/?1061.html

You'll be getting emails about this piece, but I think the coloring is more similar to the incycler version and not like this (which is a bummer since this is the coloring I want).

Also, the blue version wasn't available either, super bummer.

I really like this for no reason. It's like $5 more than the Matrix Bubbler if you're interested. If you want something "cool" looking. For people who are like into that....

http://www.szhpbl.cn/content/?998.html

 

[RollTheCar]

Man I might bite on that mai tai torus fab instead of the penumbra klein. I imagine the torus fab is smoother? It's also a half inch taller, which I like.

 

[ataxian]

I didn't pack or roll so when I first started it was with whatever was around. I started in my frat house in college, so we had bongs, bowls, whatever.

I understand your pain with breaking glass. If I clean my place, I break glass. I don't know why, but something about cleaning makes me break glass. I broke $2k+ worth of bongs in college. If only I had known that stuff was probably all cheap Chinese glass....

This stuff is a little more expensive Ataxian, but the clear stuff isn't. The clear stuff would be comparable to DHGate pricing, with maybe slightly more due to shipping.

I'm ordering 6-7 pieces myself it looks like. I was going to get 3-4 but 6-7 looks better. I can tell you, they will ALL sit in my display case. Only the matrix bubbler will be in use and ONE of the FTKs. I hate breaking glass.

If I break that FTK, it's getting replaced with a clear one. StevenLMZ's FTK functions well enough that it's always there as a backup.

The only reason I'm not getting all clear pieces is because this is the cheapest I'll see these at which makes it appealing and having something that looks sweet and functions sweet is nice. Otherwise, like I posted before, I think a Clear FTK/Klein+Matrix Bubbler is what people should go for if they're interested. Cheap but effective. Gives 2 diffusion options.
But if this comes as advertised, it's probably my last glass order for awhile (So I say....)
The FTK and Matrix will be my daily. I know people love their flavor, but man, I love the FTK. That's what I use the most.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Also can't edit my last post but here is the link to this piece:
http://www.szhpbl.cn/content/?1061.html

You'll be getting emails about this piece, but I think the coloring is more similar to the incycler version and not like this (which is a bummer since this is the coloring I want).

Also, the blue version wasn't available either, super bummer.

I really like this for no reason. It's like $5 more than the Matrix Bubbler if you're interested. If you want something "cool" looking. For people who are like into that....

http://www.szhpbl.cn/content/?998.html

$30 when I got it?
Why the FUCKING large mouthpiece?

18mm Male facing down.
Maybe I'll have a little color added?

Back to custom!

Just personal I guess?

 

[abcd5432]

Man I might bite on that mai tai torus fab instead of the penumbra klein. I imagine the torus fab is smoother? It's also a half inch taller, which I like.

I imagine the Klein would add more diffusion. This is because the fab portion removes volume from the piece and adds less diffusion from the faberge portion than it loses from losing volume in the cannister and therefore water. The straight Klein would need more water to function and would in general provide a "smoother" hit.

This is my theory.

I think instead of looking at this in absolutes, what do you own now that gives enough diffusion?

 

[RollTheCar]

I imagine the Klein would add more diffusion. This is because the fab portion removes volume from the piece and adds less diffusion from the faberge portion than it loses from losing volume in the cannister and therefore water. The straight Klein would need more water to function and would in general provide a "smoother" hit.

This is my theory.

I think instead of looking at this in absolutes, what do you own now that gives enough diffusion?

I currently use a 10" piece with a fritted disk, and I still manage cough my ass off on that from time to time

 

[abcd5432]

I currently use a 10" piece with a fritted disk, and I still manage cough my ass off on that from time to time

Coming from where you're at, any recycler will be a smoother hit.

I think if you really want to dig into the differences between the Klein vs FTK we can get into em. From the images and function videos, I'm seeing how the klein design may not be as much smoother of a hit than the FTK than I thought.

Take a look at this piece. See where the support joint attaches to the piece? Now look to the right of that and you'll see the recycler hole. Ok, now look above that area. You see that there is additional area for water to pool. This also pushes the hole height down to allow for the perc to splash to the recycler holes to get the recycling function going.

Now look where they are on the FTK

I have mine in person so I can see more clearly. They sit near the top of the can.
Far above that joint piece.
What does this mean? It means that space above the holes on the Klein has been moved inbetween the recycler and perc portion of the piece. So if you removed the ball/egg from the FTK, and just took the actual volume from it, it would be identical to the Klein. So that portion above the holes on the klein, + the portion between the recycling tube and the perc is equal in volume to the portion on the FTK with the egg in it. The egg though is there, so the volume looks like it could actually still be identical to reach the recycler hole, with the added diffusion of the faberge portion which forces the vapor together with water for an either smoother hit.

That's really difficult to explain, but it boils down to the faberge may have more diffusion than I thought in comparison to the Klein.

I'm also biased probably, but I say go for the Straight Taurus Incycler that you're thinking about. I now am starting to think that's going to give a smoother hit.

 

[RollTheCar]

Coming from where you're at, any recycler will be a smoother hit.

I think if you really want to dig into the differences between the Klein vs FTK we can get into em. From the images and function videos, I'm seeing how the klein design may not be as much smoother of a hit than the FTK than I thought.

Take a look at this piece. See where the support joint attaches to the piece? Now look to the right of that and you'll see the recycler hole. Ok, now look above that area. You see that there is additional area for water to pool. This also pushes the hole height down to allow for the perc to splash to the recycler holes to get the recycling function going.

Now look where they are on the FTK

I have mine in person so I can see more clearly. They sit near the top of the can.
Far above that joint piece.
What does this mean? It means that space above the holes on the Klein has been moved inbetween the recycler and perc portion of the piece. So if you removed the ball/egg from the FTK, and just took the actual volume from it, it would be identical to the Klein. So that portion above the holes on the klein, + the portion between the recycling tube and the perc is equal in volume to the portion on the FTK with the egg in it. The egg though is there, so the volume looks like it could actually still be identical to reach the recycler hole, with the added diffusion of the faberge portion which forces the vapor together with water for an either smoother hit.

That's really difficult to explain, but it boils down to the faberge may have more diffusion than I thought in comparison to the Klein.

I'm also biased probably, but I say go for the Straight Taurus Incycler that you're thinking about. I now am starting to think that's going to give a smoother hit.

Yea, the Straight Taurus Incycler seems to be the way to go here, I like the mai tai more than the Penumbra I was looking at too.

 

[Baron23]

Coming from where you're at, any recycler will be a smoother hit.

I think if you really want to dig into the differences between the Klein vs FTK we can get into em. From the images and function videos, I'm seeing how the klein design may not be as much smoother of a hit than the FTK than I thought.

Take a look at this piece. See where the support joint attaches to the piece? Now look to the right of that and you'll see the recycler hole. Ok, now look above that area. You see that there is additional area for water to pool. This also pushes the hole height down to allow for the perc to splash to the recycler holes to get the recycling function going.

Now look where they are on the FTK

I have mine in person so I can see more clearly. They sit near the top of the can.
Far above that joint piece.
What does this mean? It means that space above the holes on the Klein has been moved inbetween the recycler and perc portion of the piece. So if you removed the ball/egg from the FTK, and just took the actual volume from it, it would be identical to the Klein. So that portion above the holes on the klein, + the portion between the recycling tube and the perc is equal in volume to the portion on the FTK with the egg in it. The egg though is there, so the volume looks like it could actually still be identical to reach the recycler hole, with the added diffusion of the faberge portion which forces the vapor together with water for an either smoother hit.

That's really difficult to explain, but it boils down to the faberge may have more diffusion than I thought in comparison to the Klein.

I'm also biased probably, but I say go for the Straight Taurus Incycler that you're thinking about. I now am starting to think that's going to give a smoother hit.

hehehehe

I love you, brother, but one of us was definitely too baked for your post, above.

Good night and thanks again.

 

[little maggie]

Things look to be quite promising with the group buy.
I can now much more highly recommend getting in on this if you want a clear piece. The heady looking pieces will of course cost significantly more. It's looking like you can get clear pieces for as low as $50-60 after shipping depending on your rates. The colored ones look to be $90-110 minimum after shipping.

I'm being as conservative as possible so you may be pleasantly surprised. 2 pieces end up being very expensive, not sure why. Main cost is actually just shipping.

I'll be collecting the zip codes of everyone in the group buy next to get some shipping cost estimates.

I had said originally 10 people for the group buy. I'll leave this open for the next 2 weeks, but I'll allow up to 24 people. I'll update with more details, but I may be focusing around one of the cheaper pieces like the matrix bubbler, and then you can add more from there.

Ill update when I get off work with the best value pieces (clear).

This is new to me and I'm interested in being included unless I'm too late. But is there anyway to make this a separate thread? It may be just me. The last group buy I was involved in didn't have it's own thread but I'd been tracking it all along.

 

[mestizo]

Coming from where you're at, any recycler will be a smoother hit.

I think if you really want to dig into the differences between the Klein vs FTK we can get into em. From the images and function videos, I'm seeing how the klein design may not be as much smoother of a hit than the FTK than I thought.

Take a look at this piece. See where the support joint attaches to the piece? Now look to the right of that and you'll see the recycler hole. Ok, now look above that area. You see that there is additional area for water to pool. This also pushes the hole height down to allow for the perc to splash to the recycler holes to get the recycling function going.

Now look where they are on the FTK

I have mine in person so I can see more clearly. They sit near the top of the can.
Far above that joint piece.
What does this mean? It means that space above the holes on the Klein has been moved inbetween the recycler and perc portion of the piece. So if you removed the ball/egg from the FTK, and just took the actual volume from it, it would be identical to the Klein. So that portion above the holes on the klein, + the portion between the recycling tube and the perc is equal in volume to the portion on the FTK with the egg in it. The egg though is there, so the volume looks like it could actually still be identical to reach the recycler hole, with the added diffusion of the faberge portion which forces the vapor together with water for an either smoother hit.

That's really difficult to explain, but it boils down to the faberge may have more diffusion than I thought in comparison to the Klein.

I'm also biased probably, but I say go for the Straight Taurus Incycler that you're thinking about. I now am starting to think that's going to give a smoother hit.

What happens if any of the pieces you order in the group have defects?
Do you get a refund, or a replacement sent to you? and if that is the case, who pays for the shipping?
I ask because the last time he was selling individual pieces some arrived with flaws.

 

[abcd5432]

$30 when I got it?
Why the FUCKING large mouthpiece?

18mm Male facing down.
Maybe I'll have a little color added?

Back to custom!

Just personal I guess?

You haven't posted anything that gives me a reason to recommend you anything I'm doing. You break stuff easily lol. If I was you, I'd take $200-300 to Steven LMZ and have him give you a bulk ballin special deal and load up. Like get 50% off.

This is new to me and I'm interested in being included unless I'm too late. But is there anyway to make this a separate thread? It may be just me. The last group buy I was involved in didn't have it's own thread but I'd been tracking it all along.

In part because new people like yourself could be included. You're not too late. It's by design, I'm not trying to get more than I can handle. I want to be able to point to the alternative choices easily, like I did with Ataxian above. I'm estimating about 2 weeks before I get every detail squared away.

@RollTheCar

All that work trying to figure out about the 10 inch Pbnumbera (Which they do have, I was going to clarify price next), and you don't want it!!! Lol. I'm happy though, I really do think the fab version is a smoother hit after closer inspection and watching a bunch of milkshots online.

I love that style recycler though so =D

@Baron23
It's hard to explain without video, image illustrations, etc. what piece will give a smoother hit as well as give a better recycling function. What it all boils down to is the fab gives a smoother hit than the klein.

 

[Whitewidow]

Shipping is the main variable. I think if $110-120 is good got you then you'll be OK. I'm getting that one too. If that works for you pm me with your email and zip code / city.

I'm again being as conservative as possible so no one is disappointed. You should be happy with actual prices once it's all said and done if you're happy with the prices I'm estimating now.

What the price difference on the slyme vs double mai tai 8.5." FTKs ?
http://www.szhpbl.cn/content/?1082.html
Vs
http://www.szhpbl.cn/content/?1085.html

How well do these function?

 

[abcd5432]

I don't know how well they function nor can I promise how well yours will function. Because of the "art" you can't see the perc so I have no clue how well it's done or how well it recycles.

I am waiting on a function video the first one I got he filled almost the whole unit with water lol.... It's clear these guys don't use these pieces.

Should be $80-90 after shipping. The Chinese slyme may be cheaper.

There isn't a way to verify perfect function without having a perfect function piece to compare it to in person. Make sense?

You'd want a piece where you can see more of the functionality to ensure perfect function if that's your main concern. I'd point you to the clear Ftk or the more transparent designs.

Edit:
This isn't just a group buy thing. This is a general statement. I would never get a piece like that with 100% confidence from someone who isn't a well known blower. You just can't be sure of the quality of the function if the function is hidden.
Just a Couple of Options
Get a piece where you can see the function
Just enjoy the look of the piece and realize it may not have perfect function
Get the one from a known glass blower

Gotta make a choice there.

 

[RollTheCar]

All that work trying to figure out about the 10 inch Pbnumbera (Which they do have, I was going to clarify price next), and you don't want it!!! Lol. I'm happy though, I really do think the fab version is a smoother hit after closer inspection and watching a bunch of milkshots online.

I love that style recycler though so =D

You found milkshots of the fab incylcer? Would you mind pointing me in the right direction? I can't seem to find anything, must be using the wrong keywords? I love me some function/milkshot vids
And that is kinda funny about the Pnumbra Klein, happy I got it figured out though

 

[Whitewidow]

I don't know how well they function nor can I promise how well yours will function. Because of the "art" you can't see the perc so I have no clue how well it's done or how well it recycles.

I am waiting on a function video the first one I got he filled almost the whole unit with water lol.... It's clear these guys don't use these pieces.

Should be $80-90 after shipping. The Chinese slyme may be cheaper.

There isn't a way to verify perfect function without having a perfect function piece to compare it to in person. Make sense?

You'd want a piece where you can see more of the functionality to ensure perfect function if that's your main concern. I'd point you to the clear Ftk or the more transparent designs.

Edit:
This isn't just a group buy thing. This is a general statement. I would never get a piece like that with 100% confidence from someone who isn't a well known blower. You just can't be sure of the quality of the function if the function is hidden.
Just a Couple of Options
Get a piece where you can see the function
Just enjoy the look of the piece and realize it may not have perfect function
Get the one from a known glass blower

Gotta make a choice there.

I know that they may not function perfect, but I was just wondering in general compared to other pieces from this seller. I emailed them to see if I can get a video. If I get a link I'll post it up here.