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deadheadbill

I can see clearly now the smoke is gone...
+ 1 , for the link
My 14 mm downstem at my LHS cost me $ 28 !


The HC is here:

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/pro...R-free-shipping-to-USA/705605_1280276385.html

It's a nice piece for the $ as has been siad. The only problem is the disk is a little high, but that hasn't been an ussue for me.


I think "goods awaiting acceptance" means they are waiting for you to receive it. Then you are supposed to go to the site and let them know you got it without dispute, assuming there isn't any.

That's exactly what it means. Product is enroute awaiting your acceptance. My 5-arm perc just shipped today, yet the store says item is no longer available. Just some of the quirks dealing with Alibaba.
 

SSVUN~YAH

You Must Unlearn, What You Have Learned...
My Ali HC stacks like a champ, no worries of misfire. I use it with my SSV and the flavor is amazing! Dabs look crazy awesome in this piece with bubbles stacking up to the mouthpiece within a milky white cloud of greatness. Still a steal IMHO at 33usd...
 

jambandphan03

in flavor country
Hoping mine comes along soon, should be any day now, the ali-site says I still have 12 days left for the delivery deadline...but I can't get the tracking # to pull up any info. I just ordered a lotus top + water pipe attachment (flame vape) and have the feeling these new pieces will pair up well with it, the glass being on the med/small size. Although, they might be larger than I am expecting, it's hard to judge from pictures.

anticipation is growing :haw:
 

Deadshort480

We're here to fuck shit up.
Colie Glass left this comment on my YouTube Cheap Glass review.


I am no expert, but I do know it cost a lot of money to anneal these properly. Glass that isnt annealed properly slowly leaches off of your pipe into dust. I dont think they could afford to properly anneal these mistakes..They made them wrong, I dont see them wasting the money to run the ovens to anneal them, knowing they would sell for that low. Its $10-$15 dollars to ship out of the country and you paid $20. There is a safety hazard, and youre encouraging people to buy these? Be carful, please.

I guess I'm an asshole. Man, I am having a bad fucking day.
 
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S1N3

Tarzan @ KloudSociety
Colie Glass left this comment on my YouTube Cheap Glass review.


I am no expert, but I do know it cost a lot of money to anneal these properly. Glass that isnt annealed properly slowly leaches off of your pipe into dust. I dont think they could afford to properly anneal these mistakes..They made them wrong, I dont see them wasting the money to run the ovens to anneal them, knowing they would sell for that low. Its $10-$15 dollars to ship out of the country and you paid $20. There is a safety hazard, and youre encouraging people to buy these? Be carful, please.

I guess I'm an asshole. Man, I am having a bad fucking day.


Interesting I'd love to read that source, I couldnt find anything that says glass leaches without annealing. But then again "I am no expert" either. ;)

Here is what he said about Greenbuddah "stealing" designs: http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=E8icXVtm4cg

Anger is strong in this one. :chill:
 
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oneinfinitecreator

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While there may be some truth to what Andy/Colie is saying, it's also very hard to know what kind of costs these Chinese factories deal with. It may cost X amount of dollars here to properly anneal glass, but in China it's all to economies of scale. As somebody who manufactures and imports out of China, the difference in cost between the two countries is staggering, even with all the adjustments of the last 5 years. Unless it's a resource thing, which from a quick wiki lookup on annealing it is not (its' a time thing), I wouldn't be so sure to claim these are not properly annealed. Time and effort is something they have a lot of in China, due to their pseudo-communistic structure. When you go for dinner, there are often tables of employees just waiting for something to do. Too many people, not enough jobs.

So I wouldn't be too quick to decide what people in china will do for only a few dollars profit. Depending on the area that these pieces come from, that may be more than enough for them to make a living there. Unless we all report our pipes are breaking on us en masse, I don't think there's too much of a reason to think these are garbage. Top quality? Nobody is saying that, but to say these pieces haven't been cooled properly without owning one yourself is just speculation.

I love colie glass, I have a custom piece from them, but I think this is half-speculation and half-PR speak. With prices like what China is offering, I can't blame them either... :p
 

Hexi

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Colie Glass left this comment on my YouTube Cheap Glass review.


I am no expert, but I do know it cost a lot of money to anneal these properly. Glass that isnt annealed properly slowly leaches off of your pipe into dust. I dont think they could afford to properly anneal these mistakes..They made them wrong, I dont see them wasting the money to run the ovens to anneal them, knowing they would sell for that low. Its $10-$15 dollars to ship out of the country and you paid $20. There is a safety hazard, and youre encouraging people to buy these? Be carful, please.

I guess I'm an asshole. Man, I am having a bad fucking day.

Lol the guy who posted that comment has an obvious agenda. He wants his high priced glass to be sold and wants the "cheap chinese glass" meme to continue on.

The fact that he is accusing the product of being a 'safety hazard' and trying to shame/blame you?

Fuck him, and fuck his trolling. He is guessing and assuming and then accusing... he can go get fucked.

Time and effort is something they have a lot of in China, due to their pseudo-communistic structure. When you go for dinner, there are often tables of employees just waiting for something to do. Too many people, not enough jobs.

A lot of it has to do with suppression of currency, globalization, and the loss of the hard goods MFG base in the US. Their fake communism was abandoned years ago in terms of economic policy, they are moving towards the model we have here, corporate welfare and consolidating profit to the top 1% earners...

So yeah I agree with you guys, Colie Glass may be a great MFG, but with trolling like this, fuck them.
 

Burn

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i recently got the 5 tree perc off aliexpress for $15. unreal value. i have this hooked up to my ssv and its fantastic. hits better off the ssv than my much more expensive thick glass tube i was using before.

unfortunately, they no longer carry this piece it appears.
 

oneinfinitecreator

Active Member
Oh for sure, which is why I call it 'pseudo-communism'... I don't mean to praise Chinese politics, but also, remember that our media/academic empire is not one to trust on the well-being of China as a whole either. There are many reasons both of those entities would want us to continue to feel superior to those countries, but in fact, China is making some very positive strides in the big picture. Is corruption happening? Absolutely, but they are also interacting with the rest of the world in a very collaborative fashion we haven't really seen too often in the past. I work with/have an employee who is a refugee from the Congo, and he says everyone who is still there now are loving the help and aid the chinese have been bringing in compared to the US or the world bank type organizations. Yes, they are buying up land and resources there, but they are also building proper infrastructure and bringing industry there. The US prefers to corrupt/buy out the government, sign some very lucrative contracts, grind them out and then GTFO. The fact that the Chinese are investing into the people there is a huge change from the past.

So don't believe everything you hear about how 'bad' China is. We all have our warts, but we are also moving towards a true, global society. If we can get to that place collaboratively and by working together, we are all better off. We should all be friends, rather than enemies....
 

Hexi

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Way OT: Yeah exactly, my company does a ton of business in China as well, our biggest hurdles are the corruption and general business mindset.

Even with above board, highly regulated industries, the very first approach we felt in China was that of bribery and favor exchanging. Which is a major no-no here in the US, but considered normal in China. This was obviously very awkward from a business PoV, but because of our industry and our responsibilities, we kinda have to hard line on them. Instead of the normal "culture sharing" we would do with say the EU or Singapore etc..., with China we sort of had to start at a much higher level of educating them as to what restrictions and laws are non-negotiable for us.

Basically China is going through the hard goods MFG phase, a 'developing nation' but they are well into it, and doing so in 2014, where our MFG phrase was 20-80 years ago and has essentially ended for us. So there is this odd position where we as a nation have some of the best regulations and safety standards in the world, yet by the time we evolved them, we already shipped all MFG to 3rd world countries to cut costs...

And now China is finally being forced to abandon their suppressed currency model and are facing similar issues the US faced... mfg getting better tax breaks from other countries... so you see cases like FOXCONN where the pressure to compete, with lower prices is literally driving people to suicides.

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So back on topic, yeah it's harder to get valid, verified MFG info from China. The concepts of quality and safety are very different due to the timing of when each country was industrialized + history. China didn't have the book "The Jungle" to spur development of the FDA etc...

But there is nothing stopping businesses from controlling their own MFG partners and ensuring high standards of quality and safety. In 20 years "cheap chinese glass" may be over and it will be complaints of "cheap pakistani glass' instead...and then on to the next cheapest 3rd world developing nation willing to work harder, in worse conditions for lower pay and with lower safety regs etc...

Bottom line is an educated eye can look over a piece of glass and judge for themselves if it looks up to par. They can also get as much MFG info as they can to help understand the quality...

But we are not idiots. We know that a $30 piece of glass is not the highest end piece you can get. We don't need some blowhard from Colie Glass condescending to us about rip offs, or quality etc...

There is room for both high quality expensive glass, and 'budget' glass that may or may not be high quality... who knows? Depends on the piece actually.
 

Deadshort480

We're here to fuck shit up.
So, Colie and I were having a private discussion and what I've taken from our talk is that he's honestly concerned about people's health. After a lot of back and forth, he asked me to post the following:


Colie dont care about money. We only care about the community and all of us being happy and safe. We already offer 20% off any purchase for FCers, which is the highest Ive seen on this forum from any collective. So if anybody bought a waterpipe from aliexpress, before today we will do a full annealing on your piece if you can provide proof you bought it before we offered this service. All you have to pay is shipping and we will take your piece and kiln it to the proper temps and take the proper time to let them cool. You will see a cleaner clearer glass as as its durability to withstand more abuse." Clean your pieces and contact me for shipping information. I already mentioned the cost of running a kiln, and I promise we dont have kilns as large as those factories but we will eat the cost for the safety of our fellow members of this culture. We are all on the same team, so even if you wanna say FUCK ME, I will still do the process on your piece cause I am concerned. If I was doing something that is risky to my well being, I would want somebody to atleast tell me so I could research it myself. I certainly wouldnt result to calling sombody names who was just offering their point of view on the subject. And not to mention the co owner of Colie Glass is chinese, was born there and also worked in glass factory from the age of 12 to 26.. so WE can offer a rarely heard perspective on the issue." a perspective that could some up the entire debate on imports vs. domestic smoking glass. Can anybody name one chinese company who makes smoking accessories that has the reputatuion for only the best? how many domestic companies have that reputation? point being, you often get what you pay for. this process will take one day from your products arrival to me. the next day it will ship back out. very quick and easy process" or fuck me, whichever you like."

So, I thought this was a pretty cool service to offer. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'll probably take advantage of this.
 

oneinfinitecreator

Active Member
Again, I hope nobody thought I was slamming Colie - i've bought from them and only have good things to say. Maybe the aliexpress pieces aren't annealed, but then again, maybe they are? Unless Colie has actually touched one of these, they can only know as much as any of us, no?

Colie are great guys, and I hope anybody looking for mid-range glass considers them. Their offer only proves this reputation. Taking health seriously when dealing with glass is an awesome point of view and we should all encourage that type of thinking in the big picture.

Just a quick reply to Hexi on our off-topic convo:

Even with above board, highly regulated industries, the very first approach we felt in China was that of bribery and favor exchanging. Which is a major no-no here in the US, but considered normal in China.

I'd argue it's one and the same. Over here, its just better hidden in lobbyists, politics, and nepotism. :p Otherwise, I hear ya, but they may figure out a better way in the future as well...
 

SSVUN~YAH

You Must Unlearn, What You Have Learned...
The thing that strikes me glaringly is the fact that these similar hc ac's have been out far longer than the bubbler. Where was the concern there may I ask? Now those same hc ac's are everywhere for around thirty bucks. Can we get our Ali ex hc ac annealed too as long as we bought it before yesterday, bc health only matters if you bought previously now that the secret is out tough luck! I don't buy their bull bc it smells like shit to me!

http://www.glassalchemy.com/relieving_stress

http://www.hotglass.com/twk/twk1.html

So I'm guessing Collie owns these pieces and knows exactly what type of glass it is, so it can be properly annealed at the correct temperature? Still would like more info about dust in improperly annealed pieces, only have heard about dust problems in the cheaper frits, everything I've read deals with breakage being the major concern with annealing.
 
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