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John Lewus

Well-Known Member
I have been considering working on a HT with Steven but I am unclear of how big of a market there actually is for it. I don't want to tell him to make something only a handful of people will be buying

I would buy at least one. For my setup a Hydratube is the most convenient. I use a hydratube on top of my Herbalizer with an adapter and that setup is my daily driver. Sometimes I use my EVO with a Hydratube. My favorite setup is blowing up a bag with the Herbalizer and using a hydratube with adapter to the bag for some vapor bag bonging.

You could always do a post in the EVO thread or even Herbalizer thread to let people know about these hydratubes if he ever makes them.
 

snackmaster

Well-Known Member
Not sure if it's been posted before, but this looks cool.

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wildything

Well-Known Member
I have been considering working on a HT with Steven but I am unclear of how big of a market there actually is for it. I don't want to tell him to make something only a handful of people will be buying
Vapexhale users need more options for hydrotube for sure. They are pretty much stuck with glass company's that have a partnership or agreement with them. Why not create more competiton at a lower price? That being said I also am unsure of the magnitude of the demand for the ht
 

weenstoned

Well-Known Member
Vapexhale users need more options for hydrotube for sure. They are pretty much stuck with glass company's that have a partnership or agreement with them. Why not create more competiton at a lower price? That being said I also am unsure of the magnitude of the demand for the ht

I doubt they would be that popular as it seems unlikely that headshops would order them as that might alienate Vapexhale. Could definitely see Vapexhale stop selling to headshops that sell Chinese hydrotubes. Then the other problem is that there aren't that many EVO users out there, and a good percentage of those users are probably unaware of DHGate or are glass snobs.
 

421

Well-Known Member
I have been considering working on a HT with Steven but I am unclear of how big of a market there actually is for it. I don't want to tell him to make something only a handful of people will be buying

I've wanted one for my herbalAire for a while now, think it'd work wonderfully with it. So yeah, more than just EVO owners might want one.

That being said, 18mm nectar collector + 18mm male bent neck mouthpiece with keck clip = cheap-ish Hydratube.
 

alltoreup

Damn you, party liquor
Seems like the Chinese took the risk of making PNWT knockoffs and that is a narrow market as well, so I don't see why they wouldn't risk making a few larger versions. Heck you could tell them them are just large versions of nectar collectors. Those have popped up everywhere.
I'm sure they'd sell as many HTs as they do bicycle hookahs...:brow:
 

DieHard

Accessory supplier
Accessory Maker
From what I remember about patent law (which isn't much), if an item has been available for sale without a patent for one year, it cannot be patented.
 

cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
My fc187 v2 came in today and looks great. Had a few sessions with it and now I understand what all the hype and talk is about. I never thought glass was that important, but now I understand why ppl pay hundreds of dollars for the originals.
Glad you got a good one. All the love for this piece makes me tempted to try again, but I would be SO pissed if I got another bad one that I don't think it is worth taking a chance. I think I will just wait for something else, like the large pillar maybe...
 

blankrider

Well-Known Member
I'm sure they'd sell as many HTs as they do bicycle hookahs...:brow:
Solid point LOL

VXL has a patent on the HT design, I believe. Or at least it's pending and they have licensed it for some other companies.

Not that the Chinese blowers would give a shit.

I care about this to an extent. Can you provide any more information on this?

It has definitely been over a year if what @DieHard says is correct
 

DieHard

Accessory supplier
Accessory Maker
I tried a brief Google-Fu but I don't have time to dive I to the rabbit hole. There are different conditions for different inventions. The item I was researching for was a tool. I was under the impression that if I just went ahead and produced and sold them, I could raise capital for the patent. But that "one year rule" was my catch 22.

What is the one-year rule?
2007/// Filed in: Patent Law

The one-year rule, also known as the one-year grace period or on-sale bar, is a doctrine that prevents an inventor for acquiring patent protection if the application is filed more than one year of the following: 1) any public use of the invention by the inventor, a sale of the invention, an offer of sale, or public use of the invention in the United States, OR 2) any description of the invention by the inventor in a published document (i.e. a printed publication) in any country. This enables inventors to market or commercialize their inventions for up to a year and decide whether or not they want to seek patent protection. After the one-year period, the invention becomes public domain and is not eligible for patent protection since it is considered to be prior art. In general, disclosure under a signed confidentiality agreement is not considered to be public disclosure.

In 1998 the Supreme Court established a two-part test (Plaff vs Wells) to determine the commencement of the on-sale bar. According to this test 1) there must be an offer for commercial sale -not experimentation-, and 2) the invention must be ready for patenting (i.e. it must be reduced to practice or fully documented so that a person skilled in the art could create a working version of the invention).

For the purposes of patent law, a printed publication is considered to be any method of recording information such as paper, hard-drive, CD/DVD, microfilm, etc. If the printed publication contains a full disclosure of the invention (i.e. a description with enough detail that would enable a person skilled in the art to create a working version of the invention), the inventor will be barred from patent protection if the application is filed after a year of the date of publication. For the purposes of patent law, public disclosure is considered to take place once there is public accessibility to the printed publication. For instance, in the case of a doctoral dissertation public disclosure is considered to be the date when the university catalogs the dissertation and makes it available to the public. In the case of peer-reviewed journals, the date of publication is typically considered to be the date when the paper get published (i.e. available to the public) but depends on the specific editorial policies of the specific journal. In any case, it is a good idea to file for a provisional patent before any public disclosure.

Compared with other countries, the grace period by the USPTO is very generous. For instance, the European Patent Office requires "absolute novelty" (i.e. any public disclosure would prevent the inventor for acquiring patent rights). Article 54(2) of the European Patent Convention (EPC) defines prior art to include "everything made available to the public by means of a written or oral description, by use, or in any other way, before the date of filing of the European patent application."

References:
[1] Stim, R. "Intellectual Property. Patents, Trademarks, and Copyrights" West Legal Studies.
[2] Black's Law Dictionary 5th ed., (West Publishing, 1979).
[3] Manual of Patent Examining Procedure, 8th Edition
 

IAmKrazy2

Darth Vapor
You make a good point with the copy right thing. Seibo and VX has been so good to me over the years, i really have to support them. But when i see such great glass under 50 bucks shippes at dhgate i get anxiety i wish a new HT was just a little more affordable.
 
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