mmafighterthe25
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My God this thing is amazing and rips hard haha
Carta by Focus V
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PhreedomPhries
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Definitely charring happens on any temperature above the lowest. I need this app working on iOS so that I can dial the temp down to my liking. The low heat setting on the paired v2 device/atomizer is even too high for the crystal cup, and definitely too high for the titanium cup
Any chazzing on the bottom of the quartz bucket as some have been reporting?
freddiegibbs
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I have been constantly hitting quartz on level 2 and swabbing after every dab and my cup is still 100% clean. The bottom does occasionally require a bit of scraping to remove all the residue, but not much.
PhreedomPhries
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If you are swabbing after every hit, you are wasting so much oil, as even a small load lasts for several cycles. If you are swabbing only after several cycles, it most definitely leaves a blackened residue on the bottom at level two. At level one, this does not occur.
Any device you hit until bone dry is gonna do that.
PhreedomPhries
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Not only is that not true on level one on this device, I am not talking about running it until it is bone dry. I’m talking about running it for a few cycles until the oil has actually been spent. And doing that on level one, does not char the cup. Level 2 does. As I stated above. This is what happens when you run your oil too hot, kiddos. This is what is referred to you when people say they enjoy low temp dabs. It means not charring your quartz with too high of temps. Level one does not char the quartz - even if you cycle it repeatedly to spend the load. Level 2 does. Because it is patently too hot. You are all part of the Red Hot Bangers club if you like to vape your oil at a temp that chars your quartz. It’s pretty straightforward and simple to understand that charring quartz is temperature-dependent.
Low temp dabs, simply put, means not over-cooking and burning your food onto the side of your frying pan. True story.
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And what's the difference? Dry = spent.
That's how it should be. Temperature 1 on the beta is temperature 2 on the production.
I am loving the Carta so far! The new quartz bucket hits really good and is very efficient. I am able get multiple hits per load with little reclaim. I a do get a little char but after a couple heat cycles and some iso it cleans up nicely. I've been using 2nd setting for quartz. The titanium buckets are a little more robust than previous version and hits pretty hard (albeit less flavorful than quartz imo).
I purchased both glass upgrades and finally was able to try them out. The Helix gives whispy hits and is a little wobbly almost a downgrade from stock glass. I know others were having issues with it. Has anyone tried the newer version and is it worth the hassle of replacement? On the other hand the pill hits nice and smooth
Now just need to fix the kinks with the app. I tried Android versions 8 & 9 and it says it connected, I set the temperature and then goes back to setup. It will be great if we can get custom heatup profiles for cold loading. So much potential!
I purchased both glass upgrades and finally was able to try them out. The Helix gives whispy hits and is a little wobbly almost a downgrade from stock glass. I know others were having issues with it. Has anyone tried the newer version and is it worth the hassle of replacement? On the other hand the pill hits nice and smooth
Now just need to fix the kinks with the app. I tried Android versions 8 & 9 and it says it connected, I set the temperature and then goes back to setup. It will be great if we can get custom heatup profiles for cold loading. So much potential!
PhreedomPhries
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Actually, you are just apparently intentionally misunderstanding me. Are you suggesting that the oil is nearly gone after just one heat cycle? I am suggesting that the oil is not even close to gone until after perhaps four heat cycles. Not dry; just spent. Think a seasoned frying pan. Rather than one that has all of the previous dinners blackened and cooked onto the side of the pan from overheating each meal. I am very plainly stating that if you run the oil on heat temp1 or 2, you cannot appropriately spend your oil in one cycle without wasting it. If you attempt to run the cycle again in order to actually use the oil that you just loaded, you will char the product on the heat temp 2. That does not happen on heat temp 1. This is not difficult to understand. Why are you making this difficult to understand?
I have the production unit. Temperature 1 on the beta unit is definitely definitely definitely not temperature 2 on the production unit. Temperature one on the production unit runs just as hot as temperature one on the beta unit with the titanium cup. I have an infrared laser thermometer to substantiate what I am saying. Does anyone else, or are we just walking around making hollow claims here? The device categorically needs to be dialed down to a lower temperature than any temperature that any of us have gotten to use this unit at so far. I don’t know why that would be so controversial or difficult to comprehend. There is a very simple explanation for why the cups are being charred at the higher heat settings.
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nosmoking
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Your somewhat right and somewhat wrong from my experiences. While a higher temp does result in chazzing, chazzing will also happen in low temp situations if the quartz gets too dry. I keep my quartz around 450F-520F and often see chazzing on my portable device if I let it run too long and start to dry out.
PhreedomPhries
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Running both my Carta V1 and v2 at temp level 1, has not at any point resulted in any charring of my quartz cup at all.
Where do people come up with stuff like this?
Nothing difficult to understand here, stick to temp 1? Case closed. We're all waiting for the app for further tuning...
That's gonna lead to excessive thermal degradation, no wonder you're crusting up at higher temps, ESPECIALLY with cold loaded hits.
Then Focus V fucked up, plain and simple. Temp 1 on the beta is 660, and temp 1 on the prodo is supposed to be 500. Sounds like you need to reach out to support.
PhreedomPhries
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Would someone like to show a production model running at 500° on the temp one, per an infrared thermometer? And would someone like to speak intelligently as to why crusting up on the bottom of the cup does not occur on heat setting one even after multiple cycles, but it does happen on heat setting two after multiple cycles? This is not rocket science guys.Where do people come up with stuff like this?
Nothing difficult to understand here, stick to temp 1? Case closed. We're all waiting for the app for further tuning...
Who heats up a single dab four times? That's gonna lead to excessive thermal degradation, no wonder you're crusting up. ESPECIALLY with cold loaded hits.
Then Focus V fucked up, plain and simple. Temp 1 on the beta is 660, and temp 1 on the prodo is supposed to be 500. Sounds like you need to reach out to support.
FWIW, I have trouble getting an accurate reading with my infrared thermometer on either of the devices, but my lungs don’t lie. The final production model is definitely hitting just as hot as the beta model.
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freddiegibbs
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Nope, not for me. I generally run 2 cycles at level 2, depending on the size of the dab.
PhreedomPhries
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You stated above that it DOES leave a blackened residue for you that you must scrape off. What’s with all the doublespeak people?? Black residue = too hot a temperature. Simple as that. Yes really. Go take a cooking class if you think that black residue is an indicator of cooking at proper heat.
freddiegibbs
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Only a couple times after I waited too long to swab. It's incredibly easy to keep clean and doesn't overheat my material, period. I also now remember that you were the guy in the Peak thread a while back trying to convince everyone they were smelling odors produced by the Peak that they weren't actually smelling. Thanks for reminding me to block you!
PhreedomPhries
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The Peak definitely imparts a negative taste. I never use my Peak. The Carta does not impart such a taste.
I believe this is incorrect. The v1 Level 1 Temp is 626 and the v2 Level 2 is 630. So why does my v1 make VISIABLLY thicker vapor and provides “better” hits overall. I doubt decreasing the temp by 4 degrees is the reason
PhreedomPhries
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I agree if anything the v2 runs a little hotter. They seem to run about the same temperature though. And more clouds certainly does not equal better vapor production almost literally the converse is true. If it is overheating oil, it will create clouds, but it is anything but ideal tasty vapor.
The clouds are def visible the taste thing is probably subjective
II’ll use my temp gun later today and see what’s up.
PhreedomPhries
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Flashpoint of volatile terpenes is not subjective. The notion of over cooking food is not subjective. The notion of putting my high grade live resin oil in a device that makes it produce a vapor that smells the same as my neighbors’ $10 Chuck, is not subjective.
I’m really not too concerned about the taste and more about the vapor production.
There is noticeable difference in the vapor productions despite taste. The temps are relatively the same and should be producing the same clouds.
You're right, I was thinking of the inverse, (see username)
could be the resistance of the atomizer is different, or that the temperatures of the production unit weren't actually changed?
Either way the stock temp settings are pretty much useless to me, seems like a major oversight. Can't figure out why only 4 temp settings were chosen. The LED changes colors, could have easily been used to give us at least 4 more temps. IDK how the beta team missed that.
I thought the 50F between the Peak's settings were high, this is well over twice as high as that.