CannaButter

[Tuck]

My understanding is that squeezing is not a good idea because you will squeeze out some of chlorophyll you were trying to leave behind. You ended up with a lot of green coloration, and likely a grassy taste as well.

If you don't squeeze, you'll lose a lot of your oil and the THC goodness that's in it. The heat required to melt the butter is probably going to get more Chlorophyll than the Squeezing. If you are trying to prevent chlorophyll in your extraction look into Quick Wash Ethanol where you freeze the ethanol and your material.

 

[Ramahs]

My understanding is that squeezing is not a good idea because you will squeeze out some of chlorophyll you were trying to leave behind. You ended up with a lot of green coloration, and likely a grassy taste as well.

Meh...I don't care. Tastes fine to me.

 

[sickmanfraud]

@Stu If you are making cannabutter and you are using a method with water added you NEVER want to use lecithin. Lecithin is an emulsifier. If you use it you will be bringing some of the water with you when you attempt to cool and separate it.

You can add lecithin when you melt the butter to start cooking/baking.

I can tell you that in a thread elsewhere I followed the testing of decarb methods and the conclusion (with laboratory testing) showed that a decarb of 240F for 40 minutes was the best. It activated more cannabinoids with less degradation.

@FlyingLow if coconut oil does not appeal to you you could use MCT oil as an alternative with no taste.

 

[tokenknifeguy]

About 10 or more years ago there was a post on grasscity forums where a dude was touting a 5 minute cannabutter. No decarb needed. You just get your oil hot in a sauté pan and add your weed to it. Stir and cook for about 5 mins. The guy was using butter and some reggie (LOL). He would also eat the weed with the oil. I did it one time and it got me high as fuck. I was high the rest of the day until I went to sleep and it was the best weed high ever for me. I only cooked it for about 5 mins, same as that dude in some butter.

Ever since that experience, I've tried to recreate it over the years (maybe 4 or 5 times since that time, before this week) with no similar success. Well for some reason I did it again this past week, but I think I got everything right, and it worked out amazing. I used .75g of some ok weed, definitely not as good as legal weed, and at one point around 5 hrs in, I thought I was about to green out. So that .75g was way too much, and for reference I'm a daily user for 10+ years, with a pretty good tolerance. A few days later I did it again but with .5g and it was just about right. No decarbing either.

I used fat that I cut off a steak that I rendered down, as it has a higher smoking point than butter. I could not check the temp of the oil, but it was almost to the smoking point. I crumbled the weed straight into the oil and as soon as the weed hit the oil, it starting frying immediately. It looked like how it does when you put some flour dust in the oil to check to see if it is up to temp before frying, immediately bubbling action. It gave out a lot of smoke and the house smelt of the greatest smell. Definitely no burned smell. I kept stirring and cooked the weed until it was a brown similar to a medium brown of AVB. Probably cooked between 2-5 mins top. I then proceeded to pour the oil and weed over some ice cream that I had in the blender along with some peanut butter cups and then made a milk shake with it. Probably not the best meal to start the day off with, but the results were there.

From now on, this will be the way to go for me. No more hours and hours of making oil with a ton of clean up. If you got a some spare weed, I would try this out. I think the biggest tips are using a oil with a smoke point over 400 F (so not butter) and cooking the weed in the oil maintained around 400-420F, for 2-5 mins. Even pulling the pan off the heat, while stirring if it gets too hot. Also not sure if straining the weed would be as effective, so I eat it for this method.

 

[Relaxed]

What temperature is right for a 12 hour "cook"?

 

[ClearBlueLou]

I *LOVE* watching’ smart folks bounce off each other!

Vitolo, thanks for starting this thread, friend - your idea of a dry-fry decarb has me absolutely captivated!

Rahmas, thanks for sharing your journey w/ that oz…well worth reading

I show up now, having just (mostly) completed my 1st cannabutter experience (*got to* stop smoking, y’all), so I’ll throw it up for comparison’s sake

I decarbed 14g of popcorn in a bowl wrapped in tinfoil @~200f for 2 hrs (don’t know this crappy old oven yet); pulled them out, cooled them off, decided they weren’t done (?) & spread it out on parchment in a flat pan for another hour. Ground it all up & added to 3C water & 2 sticks butter.

After a few hours at a good simmer, I poured it all off into a bowl to chill & this morning poured off all the water & yuck below the butter cake, broke up the cake into a clean bowl & set in fridge.

My first taste was .25t & after a couple of hours, I could feel it if I went looking for it. An hour later w/ little change, I took another .12t, and it has shown up right clearly. Not stoned, but definitely cannabinated.

From here the kitchen witch in me takes over: I won’t be straining it - I don’t dislike the taste at all, and a little lecithin will melt the vegetable bits (I will sieve it to get rid of anything knobbly) into invisibility. So, from here, I’ll be melting it all to make sure I’ve cooked out as much water as possible, stir in 1-2t sunflower lecithin, and let it all sit in the pot for a bit. Until then I won’t have any idea of my volume, but if I retain 180ml (from 250ml butter - Xml of water), that’s 72 half-teaspoon doses.

I’m 5.5 hours in on today’s test, & I’ve been satisfactorily stoned most of the day. I may just see where this goes, or try another 1/8t in a couple of hours. I will at the very least start tomorrow w/ 1/2t. At the moment, I’m expecting big things from the ramp-up. .5t might be max for me right now.

Edibles are my very own “unknown country”. I’ve reacted to almost nothing I’ve been fed that was cannabis-based, ever. Gummies, chocolates, hard candies, The ONE exception, I stumbled on some friends doing a stoned job of making brownies - one of the most hysterically funny things I’ve ever seen. It was breathtaking. I may not have laughed that hard since. I got a brownie, and I got off on IT.

So kinda excited to be doing this & having such interesting results.
Thanks for your patience

 

[ClearBlueLou]

I *LOVE* watching’ smart folks bounce off each other!

Vitolo, thanks for starting this thread, friend - your idea of a dry-fry decarb has me absolutely captivated!

Rahmas, thanks for sharing your journey w/ that oz…well worth reading

I show up now, having just (mostly) completed my 1st cannabutter experience (*got to* stop smoking, y’all), so I’ll throw it up for comparison’s sake

I decarbed 14g of popcorn in a bowl wrapped in tinfoil @~200f for 2 hrs (don’t know this crappy old oven yet); pulled them out, cooled them off, decided they weren’t done (?) & spread it out on parchment in a flat pan for another hour. Ground it all up & added to 3C water & 2 sticks butter.

After a few hours at a good simmer, I poured it all off into a bowl to chill & this morning poured off all the water & yuck below the butter cake, broke up the cake into a clean bowl & set in fridge.

My first taste was .25t & after a couple of hours, I could feel it if I went looking for it. An hour later w/ little change, I took another .12t, and it has shown up right clearly. Not stoned, but definitely cannabinated.

From here the kitchen witch in me takes over: I won’t be straining it - I don’t dislike the taste at all, and a little lecithin will melt the vegetable bits (I will sieve it to get rid of anything knobbly) into invisibility. So, from here, I’ll be melting it all to make sure I’ve cooked out as much water as possible, stir in 1-2t sunflower lecithin, and let it all sit in the pot for a bit. Until then I won’t have any idea of my volume, but if I retain 180ml (from 250ml butter - Xml of water), that’s 72 half-teaspoon doses.

I’m 5.5 hours in on today’s test, & I’ve been satisfactorily stoned most of the day. I may just see where this goes, or try another 1/8t in a couple of hours. I will at the very least start tomorrow w/ 1/2t. At the moment, I’m expecting big things from the ramp-up. .5t might be max for me right now.

Edibles are my very own “unknown country”. I’ve reacted to almost nothing I’ve been fed that was cannabis-based, ever. Gummies, chocolates, hard candies, The ONE exception, I stumbled on some friends doing a stoned job of making brownies - one of the most hysterically funny things I’ve ever seen. It was breathtaking. I may not have laughed that hard since. I got a brownie, and I got off on IT.

So kinda excited to be doing this & having such interesting results.
Thanks for your patience

Looking like I’m going to come in for a smooth landing, so no late-day bump…see y’all tomorrow!

 

[Rodney]

I loved reading all the opinions here so much that I made this

https://imgur.com/a/ccA3Udu

1 jar of coconut oil
2 cups of water
1 oz weed

slow cooked for 5 hours with no decarb. Temperature was 110C

 

[Vitolo]

What temperature is right for a 12 hour "cook"?

Sorry for the VERY late reply... the Federal Government distracted me from life during the time.
I use an crock pot on the lowest setting for long and complete extraction AND liquid immersion decarboxylation.
I have never known the temperature, but would only do this in a crock pot and not on stove top. Heat at the bottom of a cooking vessel is uneven, and where flame meets pot it's a "hotspot".
During that time, you'll still be stirring every hour.. and I like to scrape any ring that becomes apparent back down into the mixture also.

 

[rea1ity]

hi new here after reading ur butter thread thought would chuck in my tech for fast yellow Not green colour butter>

You pre boil material 10 min or so then strain place material back in pot then you add butter, water level low just enough to keep material floating,, you will need to add more water as progress.
The oil will start to form after as little as 2 hours !
Pour through cheese cloth or similar strainer straight into >PLASTIC CONTAINER< place in fridge overnight
Next day oil has seperated from water oil suspended on top ..
SO you stab a hole in bottom of your container allowing the dirty water to drain away.
Leaves just the slab of butter cleaner process , the butter can now be stored in freezer not fridge !
Next day ice crystals could have formed on butter which need to be scraped off

If u want to store in fridge you must melt the butter again thus removing any remaining water then pour into your mould/container.
this is how i do it, never had any complaints Butter coloured no greenness to it and no water content to mold it away.
Peace out,.

 

[shredder]

Or drop a decarbed concentrate into melted butter, stir and chill, your done, and you now have time to watch squirrels or dumb videos or something, lol.

 

[rea1ity]

Or drop a decarbed concentrate into melted butter, stir and chill, your done, and you now have time to watch squirrels or dumb videos or something, lol.

True, sometimes do same, i find allows more control over dosage an yeah much faster . if its 'food grade' kif will still boil first to remove green color but instead of cheese cloth will use a fine micron sieve around 37u to collect the kif before melting into butter

 

[Rodney]

I loved reading all the opinions here so much that I made this

https://imgur.com/a/ccA3Udu

1 jar of coconut oil
2 cups of water
1 oz weed

slow cooked for 5 hours with no decarb. Temperature was 110C

This batch was just finished today so making some more

 

[Flotsam]

Help LOL. so i started saving all my AVB once i started coming to this web site.

So yesterday was the first day i decided to do something with that AVB , well maybe just a little. I had all this cinnamon butter that we had gotten with a takeout order. I melted that and mixed in about 4 g of my AVB and drizzled this on a toasted croissant i made. This was pretty STRONG! I was pleasantly surprised how hard it hit!

Does anyone know of an AVB dosing guide?

 

[shredder]

Does anyone know of an AVB dosing guide?

No, the strength depends on the starting strength and how much was used initially. Darker being more used, lighter being stronger abv.

 

[Vitolo]

lighter being stronger abv

I like to call the lighter ABV "BBV" (barely been vaped)

 

[Flotsam]

hmmm so in other words hard to tell how strong, i'm always been skeptical of THC numbers (so range between 20 to 30 or so both S I & Hyb into an ABV ) but i try not to buy sht weed LOL it could be darker but it what comes out of my PAX after repacking once in the chamber.

all i can say is i have always been a bit underwhelmed with edibles but this kind of surprised me :-)

 

[shredder]

hmmm so in other words hard to tell how strong, i'm always been skeptical of THC numbers (so range between 20 to 30 or so both S I & Hyb into an ABV ) but i try not to buy sht weed LOL it could be darker but it what comes out of my PAX after repacking once in the chamber.

all i can say is i have always been a bit underwhelmed with edibles but this kind of surprised me :-)

Not only is it hard to tell how strong it will be, it’s hard to get an efficient extraction. The best ive found to use abv in edibles was to mix it with coconut oil, lecithin and fill capsules with it. It makes a great sleep aid. That way you get 100% of the extraction. and very little of the taste.

However for stronger butter/oil you can split the abv ( or herb for that matter) in half and extract twice or more with the same butter, just start with a little more butter than normal. Best of luck and have fun experimenting. It’s your contribution to science.

 

[FlyingLow]

I’ve made some brilliant butter with AVB over the years, but admittedly I only like doing it with volcano products for they provide such an even and unburnt abv.

 

[shredder]

I’ve made some brilliant butter with AVB over the years, but admittedly I only like doing it with volcano products for they provide such an even and unburnt abv.

It’s been a minute but my volcano abv was my best too. Since abv in edibles is so unpredictable when i made abv edibles, I would sample and add a concentrate if needed, and often it was needed.

 

[Flotsam]

It’s been a minute but my volcano abv was my best too. Since abv in edibles is so unpredictable when i made abv edibles, I would sample and add a concentrate if needed, and often it was needed.

when you say adding concentrate are you talking like RSO?

 

[shredder]

when you say adding concentrate are you talking like RSO?

Abv isn’t as strong as the starting material was, so adding a concentrate would provide a boost. Any decarbed thc type concentrate would work.

 

[Flotsam]

Abv isn’t as strong as the starting material was, so adding a concentrate would provide a boost. Any decarbed thc type concentrate would work.

I only thought RSO was the only concentrate you could ingest. I guess you learn something every day