His_Highness
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
The old saying "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" comes to mind but in the case of Boehner I'd change that to "The enemy of my enemy is my freneme".
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shredder
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Agreed, this just shows he is for sale, and that big mj is buying. I can't see any reason to believe this will benefit the small time grower or consumer. Actually just the opposite. They hire pols to forward their agenda, not mine or yours. They see us as a fly that needs swatting, and lobbiest/politicians are the fly swatter.
florduh
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My mistake. GEO, one of the largest private prison companies, donated to the Trump Campaign itself. Not directly to Sessions. Which makes sense since the President had talked about expanding private prisons in this country while campaigning. And GEO was paid back in spades when Sessions released his memo restoring the use of private prisons.
Interestingly, two of Jeff's top Senate aides left to become lobbyists for the private prison industry.
https://www.thenation.com/article/m...private-prisons-is-good-news-for-one-company/
While I agree with you, did we all really think that the Corporatocracy wouldn't eventually cash in on marijuana? Given our obsession with money and profits, it was inevitable. Curiously, Jeff may be helping the small cannabis business owner right now. The only thing keeping multinational corporations from taking over the entire market is the uncertainty created by the Trump Admin.
This cartoon seems apropos here...
Tranquility
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grokit
well-worn member
Holy shit 
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https://www.google.com/search?clien...aAhXllFQKHbMuDzIQ1QIIlgEoBQ&biw=2031&bih=1003
edit: Sorry I posted that when catching up we were talking about sessions. I know he has interests in roadside testing kits and other enforcement type-stuff; this search shows he gives no fuks.
Regarding boehner, methinks he's a good soldier that realized he was fighting the wrong battles.
I remember when the pope made him cry, I felt that it was genuine. I also think he feels guilty for his role in denying veterans cannabis/thc for ptsd, if I remember correctly. I'm all-in on his 'epiphany'.
!https://www.google.com/search?clien...aAhXllFQKHbMuDzIQ1QIIlgEoBQ&biw=2031&bih=1003
edit: Sorry I posted that when catching up we were talking about sessions. I know he has interests in roadside testing kits and other enforcement type-stuff; this search shows he gives no fuks.
Regarding boehner, methinks he's a good soldier that realized he was fighting the wrong battles.
I remember when the pope made him cry, I felt that it was genuine. I also think he feels guilty for his role in denying veterans cannabis/thc for ptsd, if I remember correctly. I'm all-in on his 'epiphany'.
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florduh
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I know Jeff isn't popular 'round these parts. Personally I dislike him (though he's kind of adorable in an old racist grandpa/tree-elf way).
But on "conflicts of interest" I'd say don't hate the player, hate the game. The fact we sell our politicians to the highest bidder in this country is disgusting.
I remember when Sheldon Adelson, the Vegas Casino billionaire, pumped millions into my home State of Floriduh in an attempt to defeat their medical marijuana voter initiative. The balls on a motherfucker who made his money selling booze and gambling telling Floridians that marijuana is evil pisses me off to this day.
Adelson is known to buy politicians as well. I'm sure the fact that the alcohol and tobacco industry donates heavily to political campaigns has NOTHING to do with politicians' reluctance to supporting legalization measures
. We either need a complete overhaul of our campaign finance laws, or publicly funded elections.
shredder
Well-Known Member
While I agree with you, did we all really think that the Corporatocracy wouldn't eventually cash in on marijuana? Given our obsession with money and profits, it was inevitable. Curiously, Jeff may be helping the small cannabis business owner right now. The only thing keeping multinational corporations from taking over the entire market is the uncertainty created by the Trump Admin.
This cartoon seems apropos here...
I guess it's not surprising that the same folks (politicians)who were arresting us, are now controlling our medicine. If they just left the small guys alone, it wouldn't bother me so much. It used to be they would arrest you for possession. Now there's a whole slew of new crimes surrounding mj. Big mj isn't really helping either, they are in it just for the bucks.
In my state now that we have legal over priced and heavily taxed dispensaries they are demanding patients pay the state a tax on herb from caregivers. In a lot off cases caregivers are close relatives or friends looking out for those with serious medical problems. It's not like there's a big profit or huge cost deal involved, but it is a way to fuck with us. So I don't think I'll get my weed from the same folks thank you. If you dont think it's the same folks, follow the money.
Ymmv but I'm an old hippy and know how to survive without govt help.
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Silver420Surfer
Downward spiral
That's one of the problems we need to solve now.
Fight for the Right to Grow!! Big
If only someone would post the dispensaries/grows/processing companies owned and/or operated by Cannabis Conglomerate ACREAGE(and others like it), then the public could choose whether they want to do business with the Wal-mart of Weed-like companies.
I dont think it will be too much longer before the nonsense is over. I have been feeling the tide shifting for some time now. I am noticing my caregiver has seeds in their flowers now too, not a lot, but enough.
Tranquility
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...6c9e9b37800_story.html?utm_term=.1f8e6d7d8bc0
One day in late summer, an old farmer was working in his field with his old sick horse. The farmer felt compassion for the horse and desired to lift its burden. So he left his horse loose to go the mountains and live out the rest of its life.
Soon after, neighbors from the nearby village visited, offering their condolences and said, "What a shame. Now your only horse is gone. How unfortunate you are!. You must be very sad. How will you live, work the land, and prosper?" The farmer replied: "Who knows? We shall see".
Two days later the old horse came back now rejuvenated after meandering in the mountainsides while eating the wild grasses. He came back with twelve new younger and healthy horses which followed the old horse into the corral.
Word got out in the village of the old farmer's good fortune and it wasn't long before people stopped by to congratulate the farmer on his good luck. "How fortunate you are!" they exclaimed. You must be very happy!" Again, the farmer softly said, "Who knows? We shall see."
At daybreak on the next morning, the farmer's only son set off to attempt to train the new wild horses, but the farmer's son was thrown to the ground and broke his leg. One by one villagers arrived during the day to bemoan the farmer's latest misfortune. "Oh, what a tragedy! Your son won't be able to help you farm with a broken leg. You'll have to do all the work yourself, How will you survive? You must be very sad". they said. Calmly going about his usual business the farmer answered, "Who knows? We shall see"
Several days later a war broke out. The Emperor's men arrived in the village demanding that young men come with them to be conscripted into the Emperor's army. As it happened the farmer's son was deemed unfit because of his broken leg. "What very good fortune you have!!" the villagers exclaimed as their own young sons were marched away. "You must be very happy." "Who knows? We shall see!", replied the old farmer as he headed off to work his field alone.
As time went on the broken leg healed but the son was left with a slight limp. Again the neighbors came to pay their condolences. "Oh what bad luck. Too bad for you"! But the old farmer simply replied; "Who knows? We shall see."
As it turned out the other young village boys had died in the war and the old farmer and his son were the only able bodied men capable of working the village lands. The old farmer became wealthy and was very generous to the villagers. They said: "Oh how fortunate we are, you must be very happy", to which the old farmer replied, "Who knows? We shall see!"
President Trump has promised a top Senate Republican that he will support congressional efforts to protect states that have legalized marijuana — defusing a months-long standoff between Sen. Cory Gardner and the administration over Justice Department nominees.
In January, the Colorado Republican said he would block all DOJ nominations after Attorney General Jeff Sessions issued a memo that heightened the prospect of a federal marijuana crackdown in states that had legalized the substance. Gardner’s home state made recreational marijuana legal in 2014.
In a phone call late Wednesday, Trump told Gardner that despite the DOJ memo, the marijuana industry in Colorado will not be targeted, the senator said in a statement Friday. Satisfied, the first-term senator is now backing down from his nominee blockade.
“Since the campaign, President Trump has consistently supported states’ rights to decide for themselves how best to approach marijuana,” Gardner said Friday. “Late Wednesday, I received a commitment from the President that the Department of Justice’s rescission of the Cole memo will not impact Colorado’s legal marijuana industry.”
He added: “Furthermore, President Trump has assured me that he will support a federalism-based legislative solution to fix this states’ rights issue once and for all. Because of these commitments, I have informed the Administration that I will be lifting my remaining holds on Department of Justice nominees.”......
Farmer's son:In January, the Colorado Republican said he would block all DOJ nominations after Attorney General Jeff Sessions issued a memo that heightened the prospect of a federal marijuana crackdown in states that had legalized the substance. Gardner’s home state made recreational marijuana legal in 2014.
In a phone call late Wednesday, Trump told Gardner that despite the DOJ memo, the marijuana industry in Colorado will not be targeted, the senator said in a statement Friday. Satisfied, the first-term senator is now backing down from his nominee blockade.
“Since the campaign, President Trump has consistently supported states’ rights to decide for themselves how best to approach marijuana,” Gardner said Friday. “Late Wednesday, I received a commitment from the President that the Department of Justice’s rescission of the Cole memo will not impact Colorado’s legal marijuana industry.”
He added: “Furthermore, President Trump has assured me that he will support a federalism-based legislative solution to fix this states’ rights issue once and for all. Because of these commitments, I have informed the Administration that I will be lifting my remaining holds on Department of Justice nominees.”......
One day in late summer, an old farmer was working in his field with his old sick horse. The farmer felt compassion for the horse and desired to lift its burden. So he left his horse loose to go the mountains and live out the rest of its life.
Soon after, neighbors from the nearby village visited, offering their condolences and said, "What a shame. Now your only horse is gone. How unfortunate you are!. You must be very sad. How will you live, work the land, and prosper?" The farmer replied: "Who knows? We shall see".
Two days later the old horse came back now rejuvenated after meandering in the mountainsides while eating the wild grasses. He came back with twelve new younger and healthy horses which followed the old horse into the corral.
Word got out in the village of the old farmer's good fortune and it wasn't long before people stopped by to congratulate the farmer on his good luck. "How fortunate you are!" they exclaimed. You must be very happy!" Again, the farmer softly said, "Who knows? We shall see."
At daybreak on the next morning, the farmer's only son set off to attempt to train the new wild horses, but the farmer's son was thrown to the ground and broke his leg. One by one villagers arrived during the day to bemoan the farmer's latest misfortune. "Oh, what a tragedy! Your son won't be able to help you farm with a broken leg. You'll have to do all the work yourself, How will you survive? You must be very sad". they said. Calmly going about his usual business the farmer answered, "Who knows? We shall see"
Several days later a war broke out. The Emperor's men arrived in the village demanding that young men come with them to be conscripted into the Emperor's army. As it happened the farmer's son was deemed unfit because of his broken leg. "What very good fortune you have!!" the villagers exclaimed as their own young sons were marched away. "You must be very happy." "Who knows? We shall see!", replied the old farmer as he headed off to work his field alone.
As time went on the broken leg healed but the son was left with a slight limp. Again the neighbors came to pay their condolences. "Oh what bad luck. Too bad for you"! But the old farmer simply replied; "Who knows? We shall see."
As it turned out the other young village boys had died in the war and the old farmer and his son were the only able bodied men capable of working the village lands. The old farmer became wealthy and was very generous to the villagers. They said: "Oh how fortunate we are, you must be very happy", to which the old farmer replied, "Who knows? We shall see!"
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florduh
Well-Known Member
That's good, because when you think of Donald J Trump, "man of his word" is one of the first things that comes to mind
But joking aside, this is good news and a rare case of a politician standing up for his constituents (Gardner, not Trump, though I do appreciate the President being reasonable). I would still like to see something done legislatively rather than just taking the former host of the Celebrity Apprentice at his word.
I think we're still at the middle part of that fable, OldNewbie but I'll take any small victory we can get.
Tranquility
Well-Known Member
1. Since the position of Trump now is the same he claimed during the campaign (state's rights) and since he has, at least on the surface, shown sincere effort to put his campaign positions into action (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/), I'ma gonna go with him being a man of his word on this.That's good, because when you think of Donald J Trump, "man of his word" is one of the first things that comes to mind
But joking aside, this is good news and a rare case of a politician standing up for his constituents (Gardner, not Trump, though I do appreciate the President being reasonable). I would still like to see something done legislatively rather than just taking the former host of the Celebrity Apprentice at his word.
I think we're still at the middle part of that fable, OldNewbie but I'll take any small victory we can get.
2. I think you're missing the point of the fable if you think there is a "middle part".
florduh
Well-Known Member
1. Watch the Netflix Series "Dirty Money" episode on Trump before you consider him a man of his word. My comment was in jest, but there's some truth to it.
2. Your mind reading skills need work (maybe try some Yoda OG or Jedi Kush
) I fully understand the point of the fable. All I'm saying is we don't know if Trump is "good or bad" for marijuana yet. Keep in mind, a month into his Admin, Sean Spicer said from the podium to expect a Federal Crackdown on legal marijuana (unclear if he was talking about medical or adult use). Trump never publicly contradicted this. And still hasn't.
That was over a year ago. Gardner has had to harangue the President since then to get this informal assurance that legalized States would be left alone. I don't think the Donald ever cared about "enforcing Federal drug laws" fully. That was Sessions' hobby horse. And the President now hates Sessions more than we do. The deal with Gardner also may have more to do with Trump's expectation of needing to confirm a few new Justice Dept appointees in the near future.
I am cautiously optimistic about this development, but forgive me if i don't take Donald Trump at his word.
"We shall see"
On a related topic "The Resistance" should probably take a closer look at Mike Pence. He's your typical Prohibitionist Drug Warrior. Curiously he wrote in 2001 that cigarettes don't kill people. I'm sure that has nothing to do with his Big Tobacco funding. As Governor in Indiana though he moved to increase punishment for cannabis possession.
For Cannabis fans, a reality TV star with few real principles might be preferable to a hardcore Puritan.
2. Your mind reading skills need work (maybe try some Yoda OG or Jedi Kush
) I fully understand the point of the fable. All I'm saying is we don't know if Trump is "good or bad" for marijuana yet. Keep in mind, a month into his Admin, Sean Spicer said from the podium to expect a Federal Crackdown on legal marijuana (unclear if he was talking about medical or adult use). Trump never publicly contradicted this. And still hasn't. That was over a year ago. Gardner has had to harangue the President since then to get this informal assurance that legalized States would be left alone. I don't think the Donald ever cared about "enforcing Federal drug laws" fully. That was Sessions' hobby horse. And the President now hates Sessions more than we do. The deal with Gardner also may have more to do with Trump's expectation of needing to confirm a few new Justice Dept appointees in the near future.
I am cautiously optimistic about this development, but forgive me if i don't take Donald Trump at his word.
"We shall see"
On a related topic "The Resistance" should probably take a closer look at Mike Pence. He's your typical Prohibitionist Drug Warrior. Curiously he wrote in 2001 that cigarettes don't kill people. I'm sure that has nothing to do with his Big Tobacco funding. As Governor in Indiana though he moved to increase punishment for cannabis possession.
For Cannabis fans, a reality TV star with few real principles might be preferable to a hardcore Puritan.
shredder
Well-Known Member
I don't have your confidence in trump. That this happened now, when the fbi hounds are smelling blood, after letting his AG run wild on this community for over a year is not my definition of "sincere".
Tranquility
Well-Known Member
It's not mind reading, it is based on your comments. Including the one quoted here.2. Your mind reading skills need work (maybe try some Yoda OG or Jedi Kush
This is the thing that continues to astonish me in regards to #resist. EVERY SINGLE PERSON who objects to Trump for his political positions would HATE Pence far more. Only those who hate his crudeness might like Pence better. Trump's ego, nature and principles revolve around the Art of the Deal. People have known him and what he is for the decades he's been in the public eye. Nothing in that known history would indicate him a principled conservative. Why the left is fighting him rather than trying to deal is beyond my ken.
He wants a deal. On pot, on immigration, on taxes, on Obamacare, on North Korea, on TPP, on NAFTA, on just about anything. He'll talk to anyone if he thinks there is a deal possible. If I were to guess on him having any principles (Other than self-benefit, aggrandizement, ego.) it would have to do with the story that comes up again and again in his past in dealing with the death of his brother from alcoholism. It's why he doesn't drink. (Well, if you believe him.) For that reason, I believe he is never going to be on the side of legalization and why he is taking an aggressive drug warrior line on the opioid problem.
But, he is smart enough to tell the tenor of the country without polls and also knows no one is dying from using pot and can see the difference from other drugs.
Let's make a deal.
florduh
Well-Known Member
It's either a failure to read my mind or a failure of reading comprehension. I was trying to be charitable. I've known that fable for at least a decade. I assure you, I understand the point it makes fully.
Some people are decent enough to put Country before Party. You seem to be under the impression that only "the left" dislikes Trump. Most celebrated conservative and libertarian intellectuals I follow find Trump to be odious. Not because of his policies, but because having an embarrassing, indecent, historically dishonest, corrupt Game Show Host as our President isn't worth a Supreme Court pick or two. I get you disagree with them, but there is condemnation of Trump across the political spectrum. And I don't think their criticism is baseless.
I do agree that on cannabis, Trump is preferable to Pence. But the Justice System may make my preferences irrelevant. You are right that Trump "wants to make a deal" as well. He's likely planning to replace a few Justice Dept officials in the near future. He'd like Gardner to vote yes on their confirmation. So in this case having a transactional President is good for our community. And I applaud the President for that.
But we shouldn't count our chickens before they're hatched. If Trump pulls a "Saturday Night Massacre" in the near future, Gardner may refuse to keep his end of the deal. Besides being a "deal maker", Trump is also famously vindictive. I could see him ordering raids on Colorado dispensaries just for revenge.
seaofgreens
My Mind Is Free
Fellahs... This is one of my favorite threads on FC. Lets not get it shut down please.
Yep. "lets politely discuss politics" threads never last. Besides, this is a topic specific thread, not a politics thread.
florduh
Well-Known Member
Apologies. I'll avoid commenting on Trump related articles from now on as it causes more harm than good. Unfortunately the time to edit my posts has passed.
I really did try to keep my comments related to the news article originally posted, but it did quickly devolve into a political discussion. Won't happen again.
On a lighter note:
Cops claim mice ate half a ton of marijuana
In Argentina, cops claimed that the 1,200 pounds of cannabis that disappeared was eaten by mice. A local University chimed in to say there is no way mice would mistake marijuana for food. The cops were fired, but I think they'll find a way to cheer themselves up.
TeeJay1952
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The Usual Suspects
Polarbearboy
Tokin' Away Since 1968
From this morning's Washington Post:
John Boehner’s claim that ‘we have literally filled up our jails’ with people for minor marijuana possession
Get's four Pinnochios from the WP's Fact Checker
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-marijuana-possession/?utm_term=.8dea8a23a22b
John Boehner’s claim that ‘we have literally filled up our jails’ with people for minor marijuana possession
Get's four Pinnochios from the WP's Fact Checker
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-marijuana-possession/?utm_term=.8dea8a23a22b
Marlon Rando
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So much for Celebrating 4/20
https://hightimes.com/news/traffic-stop-leads-bust-pounds-weed/
https://hightimes.com/news/traffic-stop-leads-bust-pounds-weed/
Trump is backing off the marijuana fight. Jeff Sessions has not.
Marijuana has enjoyed some head winds lately, even as regulating it faces an uncertain future in the Trump administration.
Over the past week, Trump promised not to go after marijuana suppliers and users who are obeying their state laws, former House speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, announced his formerly icy views toward the drug have thawed, and top Senate Republican Mitch McConnell pushed harder for legalizing the farming of hemp, pot’s non-psychoactive relative.
Marijuana has enjoyed some head winds lately, even as regulating it faces an uncertain future in the Trump administration.
Over the past week, Trump promised not to go after marijuana suppliers and users who are obeying their state laws, former House speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, announced his formerly icy views toward the drug have thawed, and top Senate Republican Mitch McConnell pushed harder for legalizing the farming of hemp, pot’s non-psychoactive relative.
Bipartisan Bills Would Allow VA to Research Marijuana, Recruit Doctors Earlier
A bipartisan group of lawmakers are pushing to allow the Veterans Affairs Department to conduct research into medical marijuana, saying it could help former military personnel suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder and chronic pain.
The top lawmakers on the House Veterans Affairs Committee joined more than 30 colleagues in introducing the 2018 VA Medicinal Cannabis Act (H.R. 5520) on Tuesday.
A bipartisan group of lawmakers are pushing to allow the Veterans Affairs Department to conduct research into medical marijuana, saying it could help former military personnel suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder and chronic pain.
The top lawmakers on the House Veterans Affairs Committee joined more than 30 colleagues in introducing the 2018 VA Medicinal Cannabis Act (H.R. 5520) on Tuesday.
Marijuana’s effects on young brains diminish 72 hours after use
Marijuana is notorious for slowing certain cognitive functions such as learning, memory and attention span (maybe that’s why they call it “dope”?). But new research in young people suggests that these cognitive effects, while significant, may not persist for very long, even among chronic users.
Marijuana is notorious for slowing certain cognitive functions such as learning, memory and attention span (maybe that’s why they call it “dope”?). But new research in young people suggests that these cognitive effects, while significant, may not persist for very long, even among chronic users.