Cannabis News
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vakednotfried
i get vaked and hit vongs is it so wrong?
here's some cannabis news. Iam vaked well no surprise there. .....
MinnBobber
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..............................................................Here's some Cannabis News: I just got my purple card (medical) for Colorado!
Medical prices are half that of recreational.
Congrats on getting to CO, the MJ land of plenty.
I get my bud from CO and it royally piss#s me off that rec is so much higher price than med.
Especially since you just gotta know they're making a big pile of money on their medical herb, so they are raking it in on rec pricing
Crohnie
Crohn's Warrior
I agree. 1 zip of top shelf stuff at recreational prices in Colorado is the same price or slightly more than on the black market in Chicago. For those who don't know, dispensaries haven't opened yet in Chicago and black market prices for bud there are among the highest in the country...............................................................
Congrats on getting to CO, the MJ land of plenty.
I get my bud from CO and it royally piss#s me off that rec is so much higher price than med.
Especially since you just gotta know they're making a big pile of money on their medical herb, so they are raking it in on rec pricing
Gunky
Well-Known Member
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Congrats on getting to CO, the MJ land of plenty.
I get my bud from CO and it royally piss#s me off that rec is so much higher price than med.
Especially since you just gotta know they're making a big pile of money on their medical herb, so they are raking it in on rec pricing
I think you've got it wrong on several points. First, prices for medical in medical states are quite low, given what it costs to grow indoor weed. Try it sometime, you'll see what I mean. Second, the difference in price between medical and recreational in recreational states is mostly a matter of the several layers of taxes that recreational gets.
CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
In WA state the legal and the medical will get taxed. The medical patient if they sign into a registry will pay roughly 9% less because of no sales tax will be added. A 37% tax will be levied for both recreational and medical. A real disappointment to the medical community in WA.
We thought the Governor would be on the side of medical but he was on the side of more money for the state. Taxing medical 37% is a real shame for those on a limited income. Shame on the greedy lawmakers. I will not be voting again for Jay Enslee.
I will be helping to change the law as it stands for medical.
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Plenty of recreational stores selling cannabis at $280 - $300+ an ounce. It's expensive at some locations buying by the gram. Some communities won't even have cannabis stores available because their city doesn't want the evil weed in their town.
We thought the Governor would be on the side of medical but he was on the side of more money for the state. Taxing medical 37% is a real shame for those on a limited income. Shame on the greedy lawmakers. I will not be voting again for Jay Enslee.
I will be helping to change the law as it stands for medical.
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Plenty of recreational stores selling cannabis at $280 - $300+ an ounce. It's expensive at some locations buying by the gram. Some communities won't even have cannabis stores available because their city doesn't want the evil weed in their town.
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MinnBobber
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So med prices are quite low????
I checked the store where I bought: medical is $50 1/4 oz and some at $60 1/4 oz.
If you can't make money at $200 oz for your product, something is wrong LOL
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Carol King added:
37% tax will be levied for both recreational and medical. A real disappointment to the medical community in WA.
WA lawmakers are greedy b#stards on that. Why would you place a HUGE tax burden on med mj?
It's all about mmj being the cash cow-----shame on them
Gunky
Well-Known Member
Wholesale medical in CA goes for closer to $100 to $150/oz. I know this because I tried to sell some I grew to the well known dispensary Harborside in Oakland. They do not accept anything but the finest, densest, large chunk bud, mainly indoor. To get the kind of results demanded from dispensary weed, you must use 1000 watt finishing lamps. Too hot? Too humid? Crop is ruined. So maybe you have to use air conditioning and dehumidifiers. Electric energy is not cheap nowadays. What I'm telling you is I went through the entire process, grew a few pounds myself and determined that it is easy to grow cheap weed for yourself, but not easy to make money growing weed. Profit margins are not that great. Several years ago when 1 lb went for $4000 wholesale, the margin was good. Now that it's less than $2000, not so good. You are also thinking of a grower with an ounce and somebody offering him $200. That's the end consumer paying $200, not the retailer. That doesn't account for taxes. Pot is just more expensive to produce, dry and cure, process, keep secure, market, etc than you think. I gave up the idea of growing as a cottage industry because the amount of work was significant and the returns were quite low. I remember when I got the whole cycle figured out and saw what kind of profit could be made I thought "who the hell can make money like this?" The answer is likely bigger and bigger operations. But even they are not minting money as people think. As I said, the price of medical is extremely competitive nowadays and actually quite low.
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cybrguy
Putin is a War Criminal
Report: Pot legalization in California presents trade-offs
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In a 93-page report released Wednesday, the panel chaired by Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom presents a wide range of choices and competing interests involved as advocates work to bring a recreational use initiative to voters next year.
Chief among the issues will be to determine how to structure licenses that growers and others in the industry will need. The panel indicated it wants that done in a way that both allows existing small suppliers to participate as well as leading to legitimate jobs without creating an unwieldy system.
The group said it was also important to develop a regulatory system that doesn't make it easier for children to obtain the drug and doesn't encourage exports by producing more pot than Californians use.
The country's most populous state already has a well-established medical marijuana industry as well as a thriving black market with ties to Mexico.
"This industry should not be California's next Gold Rush," the report states.
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The Blue Ribbon Commission on Marijuana Policy was convened by Newsom with the American Civil Liberties Union of Northern California. The work of the 24-member panel, which includes law enforcement representatives, tax experts, legal scholars, addiction doctors and a former White House drug policy advisor, is expected to influence several groups of marijuana activists and entrepreneurs that are trying to qualify a November 2016 ballot proposal that would legalize marijuana use for adults 21 and older.
Newsom, a declared Democratic candidate for governor in the 2018 race who supports legalization, said in an interview Tuesday that presenting the report as a series of options rather than detailed recommendations reflected both the difficulty of getting the group to agree on some of the thornier issues and the consensus that any law put before voters would ideally allow future fine-tuning.
"Perhaps the most important message from the report is what we are not recommending. We are not recommending maximizing the amount of tax revenue, we are not recommending that we promote and create a large industry, and we are not promoting and recommending that the price of marijuana drop significantly," he said. "And the reason is all of those goals would depend on and encourage heavy use." - http://news.yahoo.com/report-pot-legalization-california-presents-trade-offs-074208885.html
MinnBobber
Well-Known Member
Now there is a smart group!!
They should learn from the greedy, cash cow, tax the hell out of mj states like WA.
When you tax it to the max, the price is higher than blackmarket bud and it still thrives---duh.
The commission also said they are not supporting that the price of mj drop significantly BUT it would seem that without crippling taxes, the price would have to be reasonably low via competition.
Let's hope CA does it right, so other states have a good model to follow
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grokit
well-worn member
As far as I'm concerned colorado and (soon to be) oregon are doing it right, and california is about to waste a huge potential revenue stream by not gearing up for export markets. They're still growing water-wasting almonds and illegally fracking, destroying the state's ecosystem and what's left of its groundwater. All the while they could be ecologically and economically thriving, with the king of cash crops instead.
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Jared
Cannabis Enthusiast
Colorado's system looks great for the newspapers that's for sure. In reality though it's pretty ridiculous in my opinion. More regulation for recreational than medical, as in zero testing for medical required but recreational testing is mandatory. In my town there are two recreational dispensaries and NO ONE else can get a license no matter what to open a shop. Therefore these two dispensaries can sell garbage, have poor customer service, and charge whatever they want while still raking in bookoos of money because there is literally no competition and there CAN'T be.
There are just a million things they could be doing differently and better and I really hope other states DON'T follow Colorado's foot steps. I realize it's totally new and they're doing a lot of the stuff they're doing just to be safe but I really don't like the system here. When Amendment 64 was passed it was supposed to regulate cannabis like alcohol and it has done nothing even CLOSE. They still treat it like heroine or something to a degree. What I mean by that is you can't legally buy it from someone who isn't licensed, you can't legally sell it without a license (I'm not talking about opening a store here without a license I'm talking it is illegal for you to sell your buddy an 8th still), you can only grow and possess a very limited amount without special licenses, you can't trade it for anything other than cannabis legally, you can't use it anywhere except inside of your home or a private residence legally, you can still get fired for using it off the job (can't get fired for off the job alcohol use), you can still be denied a job for using it (can't be denied for using alcohol), you still can't legally get your concealed carry permit if you are honest with your answers, you still can't legally purchase a firearm, and so much more. I want a state to ACTUALLY regulate it like alcohol.
There are just a million things they could be doing differently and better and I really hope other states DON'T follow Colorado's foot steps. I realize it's totally new and they're doing a lot of the stuff they're doing just to be safe but I really don't like the system here. When Amendment 64 was passed it was supposed to regulate cannabis like alcohol and it has done nothing even CLOSE. They still treat it like heroine or something to a degree. What I mean by that is you can't legally buy it from someone who isn't licensed, you can't legally sell it without a license (I'm not talking about opening a store here without a license I'm talking it is illegal for you to sell your buddy an 8th still), you can only grow and possess a very limited amount without special licenses, you can't trade it for anything other than cannabis legally, you can't use it anywhere except inside of your home or a private residence legally, you can still get fired for using it off the job (can't get fired for off the job alcohol use), you can still be denied a job for using it (can't be denied for using alcohol), you still can't legally get your concealed carry permit if you are honest with your answers, you still can't legally purchase a firearm, and so much more. I want a state to ACTUALLY regulate it like alcohol.
MinnBobber
Well-Known Member
Jared,
X2 on CO law could be a LOT better.
And the CO law treats out-of-staters like second class citizens. Limit of 1/8 oz per transaction WTF.
Like you said, treat it like alcohol:
I can go to CO and buy 100 cases of COORS but only 1/8 oz bud....
And why does that matter? Cuz rec bud is expensive and shops have special/cheaper pricing on 1/2 oz or 1 oz purchases. We are stuck with inflated 1/8 oz pricing
X2 on CO law could be a LOT better.
And the CO law treats out-of-staters like second class citizens. Limit of 1/8 oz per transaction WTF.
Like you said, treat it like alcohol:
I can go to CO and buy 100 cases of COORS but only 1/8 oz bud....
And why does that matter? Cuz rec bud is expensive and shops have special/cheaper pricing on 1/2 oz or 1 oz purchases. We are stuck with inflated 1/8 oz pricing
Jared
Cannabis Enthusiast
Unless they've changed it or I'm mistaken the law caps you at a quarter per dispensary not an 8th (I'm sure a dispensary could set a limit if they wanted) so you'd be able to just go from dispensary to dispensary or have someone else go in and buy more. You can legally posses an oz at a time.
The only way to get your medical card is to have an in state ID.
Edit: This answers a lot of questions you probably have: http://www.thedailychronic.net/2014/27785/state-visitors-guide-marijuana-colorado/
MinnBobber
Well-Known Member
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My bad. It was the dispensary that set a limit of 1/8 oz on their Lucky Charms strain.
CO law is a limit of 1/4 oz per transactions for those trouble makers from out-of-sate
But my issue still stands as this dispensary had sweet deals on 1/2 and 1 oz buys.
The law says 1/4 oz per transaction so I also tried , how about buying my 1/4 and coming back in an hour for another quarter? No dice. They said they use 1/4 oz per DAY as their rule.
And this was in a "remote" town so one can't just go down the street to another shop like in Denver.
Seniors Are Seeking Out States Where Marijuana is Legal
The image of marijuana-using seniors might seem strange, but it is the byproduct of a graying counterculture. Much of the baby boom generation was in college during the 1960s and 70s, and have had much more familiarity with the drug than previous generations.
Yeah, we're a stoney bunch!!!
The image of marijuana-using seniors might seem strange, but it is the byproduct of a graying counterculture. Much of the baby boom generation was in college during the 1960s and 70s, and have had much more familiarity with the drug than previous generations.
Yeah, we're a stoney bunch!!!
Pot Death: Teen Leaps 4 Stories After Eating Marijuana Cookie
He ate 1 cookie = 60 mg THC: a store-bought cookie w/instructions to divide into 6. To me, it doesn't seem like enough to flip out a person, but, OK. Still, alcohol kills so so many people. I can have a garage-full of cases of vodka, but if I had over the legal limit of marijuana, I'm toast. They throw the book at me.
He ate 1 cookie = 60 mg THC: a store-bought cookie w/instructions to divide into 6. To me, it doesn't seem like enough to flip out a person, but, OK. Still, alcohol kills so so many people. I can have a garage-full of cases of vodka, but if I had over the legal limit of marijuana, I'm toast. They throw the book at me.
MinnBobber
Well-Known Member
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He made a mistake and it is too bad it turned out to be a fatal mistake. But let's put this in context: MJ is a supreme medicine for dozens of physical, mental. emotional conditions . It almost never kills and this is a freak accident.
In comparison: legal painkillers KILL 44 PERSONS EVERY DAY IN THE US and nobody gets very excited about that---- unfortunately
bounce5
Well-Known Member
"Officials determined that marijuana intoxication was the chief contributing factor to the man's death, which occurred in March 2014. An autopsy found that the man's blood levels of THC were above the legal limit for driving a car in Colorado."
Yes finally one case that proves that REEFER MADNESS is REAL!!!! Real I say REAL!!!!! Write up an article quick make sure the words POT and DEATH are in the title....Nevermind that these kinds of cases are extremely rare, like the time a guy jumped out a window on LSD. Nevermind that statistically speaking it was inevitable that someone would eventually commit suicide while using marijuana. Nevermind all the studies that support that marijuana has incredible potential to create beneficial psychological healing for many people if used correctly.
"Over the next few hours, the man showed erratic speech and hostile
behaviors"
This sounds more like the description of a violent meth addict or
alcoholic. I guess it's possible...High doses of marijuana generally
relax people. At worst it could give you an anxiety attack I suppose,
but more of a sedentary type of attack, not the jump out the window
type of attack. Maybe he was suffering from a mental disorder or
depression and chose to commit suicide.
"About the Author: Rachael Rettner
Rachael has been with Live Science since 2010. She has a masters degree in journalism from New York University's Science, Health and Environmental Reporting Program. She also holds a Bachelor of Science in molecular biology and a Master of Science in biology from the University of California, San Diego."
What a shame that someone with soo much education in science and journalism can write such an unscientific article with a propaganda slant.
Yes finally one case that proves that REEFER MADNESS is REAL!!!! Real I say REAL!!!!! Write up an article quick make sure the words POT and DEATH are in the title....Nevermind that these kinds of cases are extremely rare, like the time a guy jumped out a window on LSD. Nevermind that statistically speaking it was inevitable that someone would eventually commit suicide while using marijuana. Nevermind all the studies that support that marijuana has incredible potential to create beneficial psychological healing for many people if used correctly.
"Over the next few hours, the man showed erratic speech and hostile
behaviors"
This sounds more like the description of a violent meth addict or
alcoholic. I guess it's possible...High doses of marijuana generally
relax people. At worst it could give you an anxiety attack I suppose,
but more of a sedentary type of attack, not the jump out the window
type of attack. Maybe he was suffering from a mental disorder or
depression and chose to commit suicide.
"About the Author: Rachael Rettner
Rachael has been with Live Science since 2010. She has a masters degree in journalism from New York University's Science, Health and Environmental Reporting Program. She also holds a Bachelor of Science in molecular biology and a Master of Science in biology from the University of California, San Diego."
What a shame that someone with soo much education in science and journalism can write such an unscientific article with a propaganda slant.
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Gunky
Well-Known Member
Gunky's rules:
1. Pot virgins should not do edibles for first experience, and if they do, for pete's sake don't do it alone!
2. Edibles virgins should start out small. And don't do it alone!
This is what some of these articles should be telling people. Not all this sensationalism and tawdry stoner jokes.
1. Pot virgins should not do edibles for first experience, and if they do, for pete's sake don't do it alone!
2. Edibles virgins should start out small. And don't do it alone!
This is what some of these articles should be telling people. Not all this sensationalism and tawdry stoner jokes.
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