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t-dub

Vapor Sloth
There are strict privacy laws regarding the MMJ registry here. I know for a fact that the sheriff's office, who issues CHLs, cannot access that info when approving my concealed permit. There is no way for law enforcement to regulate what guns you already own unless you misuse them. In fact, my tenant open carries a 9mm inside the dispensary during business hours and the state has no problem with it at all.
 
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Joel W.

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In my state, A cpl is a privilege granted by the cops, not a right. If you answered question #5 on your federal CPL form that you are an mmj user or a rec mj user, you will not get your cpl.

if you lied on #5 and said you did not use mj, you may have violated a federal law.

Edit: Until MJ is taken off the schedule 1 controlled substance list, you may not want both.

"latest directive from the US Department of Justice. In September 21, 2011 an open letter to all federal firearms licensees, Arthur Herbert, Assistant Director for Enforcement Programs and Services wrote, "any person who uses or is addicted to marijuana, regardless of whether his or her State has passed legislation authorizing marijuana use for medicinal purposes, is an unlawful user of or addicted to a controlled substance."
https://www.atf.gov/file/60211/download
 
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t-dub

t-dub

Vapor Sloth
In Oregon we settled this in a court of law in Willis V Winters, Emerald Steel Fabricators Inc V Boli, and Sansone V Gordon:

In these consolidated cases, the sheriffs of Jackson and Washington counties withheld concealed handgun licenses from persons who met all of the statutory conditions for issuance of such licenses, but who admitted to regular use of medical marijuana pursuant to registry identification cards issued under the Oregon Medical Marijuana Act, ORS 475.300 to 475.346. When the sheriffs' actions were challenged in court, the sheriffs responded that, to the extent that Oregon's concealed handgun licensing scheme does not concern itself with the applicants' use of medical marijuana, it is preempted by a federal prohibition on the possession of firearms by persons who, under federal law, are "unlawful user * * * of a[] controlled substance." 18 USC § 922(g)(3). Both trial courts and, later, the Court of Appeals, rejected that preemption argument and held that the concealed handgun licenses were wrongfully withheld. We allowed the sheriffs' petitions for review and now add this court's voice to the lower courts': We hold that the Federal Gun Control Act does not preempt the state's concealed handgun licensing statute and, therefore, the sheriffs must issue (or renew) the requested licenses.

More here: http://www.publications.ojd.state.or.us/docs/S058645.htm
 
grokit

grokit

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Joel W. said:
"any person who uses or is addicted to marijuana, regardless of whether his or her State has passed legislation authorizing marijuana use for medicinal purposes, is an unlawful user of or addicted to a controlled substance."
https://www.atf.gov/file/60211/download
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The wording on this shows just how messed up things are at the federal level atm. Ie; saying that you are a criminal for being addicted to mj, even if you don't use it? I mean that's a big or, and it's used twice in the same context. Even if you are "addicted" -- if you're not a "user", how can you be breaking the law?
 
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Joel W.

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Yeah its messed up but the way I read it, anyone who uses mj and has a CPL at the same time, is in violation of federal law but not so much for some state laws. :shrug:

edited, nevermind. ;)
 
t-dub

t-dub

Vapor Sloth
Obviously this issue varies by state and we have a situation where state law and federal law are at odds. This will have to be decided in federal court or congress will have to pass a law protecting legal MMJ patient's second amendment rights. I know a rep from Montana introduced a bill to protect MMJ patients but can't find out what happened with it.
 
Gunky

Gunky

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What is the point of growing legal weed indoor? Isn't indoor mainly for hiding because it's illegal? Yes, the quality can be higher as the evironment is completely controlled, but controlling it like that is expensive and noone does it with any other plants. When it's legal, greenhouses should be the way to go. And I think most growers already do that, only groeing a little indoors so they can also compete with small ammount of high-quality buds.
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Well, it all depends on where you live and what kind of situation you have. Growing indoors is excellent fun plus once you pay off the equipment you get to have cheap, high quality cannabis with no suspect ingredients, pesticides, etc. For personal use it is cheaper and better than purchasing, in my view. You get lots of fun bennies like hand rubbed hash from your trimming tool, bubble hash from leaves and small buds, etc. For commerce the issue is kind of complicated. The energy use of two or three high intensity lamps - at least one of which should be a 1000 watt finishing light - and the attendant cooling fans and air filtering fans is very considerable. If you only grow for yourself possibly you only turn the thing on for three or four months every year or three, not a big deal. But if you are going to turn it into a biz it's a lot of energy. Plus in tight indoor situations you have to use de-humidifiers sometimes or lose your crop to mold, etc. More energy. Outdoors in a place where there is sufficient rain is ecologically the best thing, but often that isn't an option.

The other thing is indoor weed has 'bag appeal' or whatever they call it. Pretty buds. In California the dispensaries are all selling mainly indoor. Consumers appear to prefer it. I've gone both ways and both can produce outstanding bud. If you are going to pay for indoor, why not get it cheaper by growing it yourself?

One more thought. A lot of people living in areas where cannabis is prohibited imagine that in Colorado, California, Washington, etc people can go around flourishing joints or grow when you have young kids around, etc. Nope. Everything is still secret because discrimination against pot consumers hasn't gone away. Employers still drug test, you can lose custody of your kids, yadda yadda.
 
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Gunky

Gunky

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Re the guns and marijuana thing - they use the RICO act or something to cause the penalties for drug infractions to become really really stiff. So if you are doing anything with weed that might cause you to be arrested, don't have guns. Not fair, but that's how it is.

Actually, if you are doing anything with cannabis, don't have guns, period. The penalties are doubled and tripled.
 
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Enchantre

Enchantre

Oil Painter
Gunky said:
Re the guns and marijuana thing - they use the RICO act or something to cause the penalties for drug infractions to become really really stiff. So if you are doing anything with weed that might cause you to be arrested, don't have guns. Not fair, but that's how it is.

Actually, if you are doing anything with cannabis, don't have guns, period. The penalties are doubled and tripled.
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We have a few sharp, shiny objects near our precious crop. :)

No guns. I agree with the right, but I am uncomfortable around them (I am, however, a crack shot), and my Hubby got rid of his own years ago, before I married him, due to having children around that he worried about ("awww").

So, a broadsword, a short sword, a few wicked knives, and a cat o' nine tails...

EDIT: my (step)dad taught me to shoot a black powder pistol and rifle, and how to effectively throw a hatchet. I took my son to firearms safety class, sat through the class myself, too. I'm actually quite competent. shotgun, rifle, sidearm. Yup)
 
CarolKing

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
What War On Drugs (cannabis)..... I never thought I would hear this from Mr McCain.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., told attendees of a Tucson town hall meeting Thursday that the United States might want to legalize marijuana.

McCain made the relatively unprompted call for drug policy reform when an attendee asked why the U.S. should intervene in Syria's civil war, but not in Mexico, where drug cartels are locked in a deadly conflict with the government and each other.

The 2008 GOP presidential nominee then launched into a lesson about economics to explain drug smuggling and said he was open to legalizing marijuana.


[READ: Rand Paul Upsets Marijuana Activists by Saying the Drug Is 'Not Healthy']

"Let me just say what's going on in Mexico, in my view, to some degree, is our responsibility... because we're creating a demand for drugs in this country and when there's a demand, there's going to be a supply," McCain said.

"Legalize it!" some crowd members mumbled.

"Well, maybe we should legalize it," he responded, "we are certainly moving that way so far as marijuana is concerned, but I will respect the will of the people."

He then hammered home his economic explanation of drug smuggling, saying: "They are bringing these drugs across to our country because there's a demand for them and there's going to be a supply wherever there is a demand."

[POLL: Marijuana Legalization Now Supported by Most Americans]
 
Snappo

Snappo

Caveat Emptor - "A Billion People Can Be Wrong!"
Accessory Maker
Enchantre said:
We have a few sharp, shiny objects near our precious crop. :)

No guns. I agree with the right, but I am uncomfortable around them (I am, however, a crack shot), and my Hubby got rid of his own years ago, before I married him, due to having children around that he worried about ("awww").

So, a broadsword, a short sword, a few wicked knives, and a cat o' nine tails...

EDIT: my (step)dad taught me to shoot a black powder pistol and rifle, and how to effectively throw a hatchet. I took my son to firearms safety class, sat through the class myself, too. I'm actually quite competent. shotgun, rifle, sidearm. Yup)
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You're sharp with a loaded Nano too! I saw your recent Nano-dabbing vid - sharpshooter!!!
 
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gangababa

gangababa

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And for those who may wish to relocate to South America:
Chile cannabis decriminalisation: Lawmakers move to let people grown their own marijuana

"Chile looks set to decriminalize cannabis after the country approved a bill to allow its people to grow small amounts of marijuana for medical purposes.
The public gallery in the lower house of congress erupted into cheers and applause ...
...praised as being a ‘big step forward’ in the usually socially conservative country’s stance on drugs.
Until now, planting, selling or transporting marijuana in Chile has been a punishable offense which could have resulted in up to 15 years imprisonment.
Now, Chileans will be able to able to grow six plants at home, allowing the possession of up to 10 grams (0.35 ounce)." H>T to democraticunderground.com
 
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