Cannabis Hardware (formerly NewVape) FlowerPot Twax Vaporizer

[squigger]

I burned myself pretty bad the week of getting it grabbing the flowerpot when the bong was falling over. Immediately held my hand under the cold stream from the sink After like30 minutes of doing it i stopped and my hand was freezing cold. Then like 15 minutes later I had the worst pain. Like the please stop kind of pain. Then i just did another 10 minutes of sink and it got better but started again after like 15 minutes out of the water.I had this bubble of pus on my hand for like 2 or so weeks then it must of popped and now theres a red splotch for the big bubble part and weird white texture under my skin for the non bubble part.. I've also burned the tips of my fingers because the stupid carb cab gets crazy hot and if you use it stir the bowl you can accidently hit yourself with it. ALso I have this enclosed coil with powder in it and the powder pours out since the glue they used came off and surprise surprise its hot as fuck when it lands on you.

 

[Danksta]

Once or twice, thankfully no more. Both times I havent noticed until the bowl fell on the floor and got crap stuck all over it

Interesting that its got worse with a torching, is that what youre saying?

Yes, the problem only started happening after I torched the bowl (out of sheer boredom).

In my case the bowl falls in my lap...quite the scare!

 

[ParanoidAndroid998]

I burned myself pretty bad the week of getting it grabbing the flowerpot when the bong was falling over. Immediately held my hand under the cold stream from the sink After like30 minutes of doing it i stopped and my hand was freezing cold. Then like 15 minutes later I had the worst pain. Like the please stop kind of pain. Then i just did another 10 minutes of sink and it got better but started again after like 15 minutes out of the water.I had this bubble of pus on my hand for like 2 or so weeks then it must of popped and now theres a red splotch for the big bubble part and weird white texture under my skin for the non bubble part.. I've also burned the tips of my fingers because the stupid carb cab gets crazy hot and if you use it stir the bowl you can accidently hit yourself with it. ALso I have this enclosed coil with powder in it and the powder pours out since the glue they used came off and surprise surprise its hot as fuck when it lands on you.

Judging by a few of your recent posts, you don't seem super happy with the FP; is that safe to say?
I'm genuinely curious.

 

[Baron23]

Hi guys - so, I used my Pan Head last night.

Now, this is important (well, at least to me haha). I have only used the Pan Head for three each, approx .15 gr loads, so this not a mature opinion and is really only very first impressions, which I find are very often wrong with the passing of time.

Also, I recently retired from a lifetime of being a project/program manager of technical projects. I have sat on proposal evaluation boards, proposal prep teams, design reviews, test reviews teams, did flight test planning and conduction for a while, etc, etc, etc. What I'm saying is that by profession I'm trained to be critical. Not critical as in putting someone down, but critical as in looking at all of the details, large and small. In my professional world, we didn't huzzah for things that met the spec....the damn thing was supposed to meet the spec, our interest was in ferreting out discrepancies. I'm just saying this because I do tend to highlight the negative and not accentuate the positive but I also don't want anyone to think that any individual criticism constitutes an overall impression of the device. That and I must come off as very negative because I'm the only one to whom Edwyn feels he needs to tell that unused items are returnable! HAHAHAHA

Alright, a lot of preface now on to my impressions:

Nothing stuck into the glass at all during any of these three sessions. No sticking whatsoever. That was the intent and the goal was accomplished as far as I can tell

First load was with the 14 mm stem in a stevenlmz70, FC-188, Mobius Ion knockoff (14 mm dewar type joint in the middle of the top of the can with a sidecar MP). I used a drop down that I recently got and posted about some pages back. I got them off of Amazon and the quality is total shit. Also, although I do like my FC-188, I'm not sure how accurately the joint was made as I do have some adapters that are a bit loose in there (or the adapters are crap...either way). Further, I don't think the FC-188 type joint is good for the Pan Head as I think the stem will drop down too far (below the level of the can) before engaging the joint.

I mention all of this because when I ran my first load at my normal, capped, 620-625 F, the vapor was very respectable but definitely thinner, more watered down, than with my OG SH.

IMO, this 'thinner' vapor comes from a number of source; 1) small bit of 'air leakage'...contributed by the FC-188, the shitty drop down, AND the gap between the outside wall of the stem and the inside wall of the bowl (there is one, certainly). Now, the bottom of the bowl does indeed sit flat on the top of the joint, but not all joints are perfectly flat, I don't think that would be air tight even if the joint was perfect, and I do think a bit of air was getting in there from that source and; 2) the bowl is 2.5 mm deeper than my OG SH which I think was a contributor to the change in vapor.

I switched from the FC-188 to my C2, 65 mm stemless can with an 18 mm joint and fuck the drop down. I put the Pan Head right on the joint as I had no sticking before....meaning no expansion, so I took the chance. No problem with that, it turns out.

I also bumped my temp up to 645 F from 620 F to to compensate for the deeper bowl.

Much, much better. Very satisfactory. Still not sure its quite as thick as my OG at same temp, but I think this is bowl depth again...but very respectable performance and NO STICKING!! :-)

Ran two loads this way while drinking a Tito's Martini and at that point it was bed time. HA

I think, with the Pan Head, I will try to bump my temp up yet a bit again and see what that does.

But I'm also thinking about asking @NewVape710 (Edwyn) if he would, as a custom job, either mill the bowl on my current Pan Head back down to the SH OG depth or perhaps just ask if he would make me another with the shallower bowl.

Guys, I'm a lightweight compared to many. But even when I do consume more than normal, I do like that around .15 g bowl and just do multiple sessions if I want more. I understand that the bowl as made deeper (like the OG FP) by popular demand and I concede that my desires may not be the majority (and who the F can satisfy everybody..yeah?). But it would seem to be a very easy customization to just mill the top of the bowl down a bit and put the bevel back on. I'm going to think about it.

So, I'm still very happy with my OG SH and now my Pan Head but there is more to explore.

Best regards

 

[Shooby]

Judging by a few of your recent posts, you don't seem super happy with the FP; is that safe to say?
I'm genuinely curious.

The FP goes where ever you put it and makes everything you put it on hot too. common sense right. but not when your stoned and stupid. Its 100% my fault for each burn as i should of know. Its like if you burn yourself on the stove top, are you going to blame the stove top? no cuz you knew it was there and if you just used it, probably hot then.

 

[buddingglasshead]

On mobile so short replies.

I have the new stand coming and i use https://www.newvape.com/flowerpot-tray-base-lid-2934 the tray base & lid for my flowers for the day. One side for sativa/hybrids and the other for indicas. Its not air tight but i never leave the fine grinds overnight.

A second Ti showercap? any reason or just to have?


**Edit**


This happened to me last night for the first time but it fell off an inch away from the drop down and made a huge mess. It was stuck for only a second but enough to pull it out of the drop down. This is using the SH with the 14MM stubby bowl. What sucked was that it was only the second hit of many in that bowl which contained PR flowers and bowl topping hash.

Because it fits on the new stand and my first one has an issue with some dabbers. Not the end of the world or anything and I made it work.

Hi guys - so, I used my Pan Head last night.

Now, this is important (well, at least to me haha). I have only used the Pan Head for three each, approx .15 gr loads, so this not a mature opinion and is really only very first impressions, which I find are very often wrong with the passing of time.

Also, I recently retired from a lifetime of being a project/program manager of technical projects. I have sat on proposal evaluation boards, proposal prep teams, design reviews, test reviews teams, did flight test planning and conduction for a while, etc, etc, etc. What I'm saying is that by profession I'm trained to be critical. Not critical as in putting someone down, but critical as in looking at all of the details, large and small. In my professional world, we didn't huzzah for things that met the spec....the damn thing was supposed to meet the spec, our interest was in ferreting out discrepancies. I'm just saying this because I do tend to highlight the negative and not accentuate the positive but I also don't want anyone to think that any individual criticism constitutes an overall impression of the device. That and I must come off as very negative because I'm the only one to whom Edwyn feels he needs to tell that unused items are returnable! HAHAHAHA

Alright, a lot of preface now on to my impressions:

Nothing stuck into the glass at all during any of these three sessions. No sticking whatsoever. That was the intent and the goal was accomplished as far as I can tell

First load was with the 14 mm stem in a stevenlmz70, FC-188, Mobius Ion knockoff (14 mm dewar type joint in the middle of the top of the can with a sidecar MP). I used a drop down that I recently got and posted about some pages back. I got them off of Amazon and the quality is total shit. Also, although I do like my FC-188, I'm not sure how accurately the joint was made as I do have some adapters that are a bit loose in there (or the adapters are crap...either way). Further, I don't think the FC-188 type joint is good for the Pan Head as I think the stem will drop down too far (below the level of the can) before engaging the joint.

I mention all of this because when I ran my first load at my normal, capped, 620-625 F, the vapor was very respectable but definitely thinner, more watered down, than with my OG SH.

IMO, this 'thinner' vapor comes from a number of source; 1) small bit of 'air leakage'...contributed by the FC-188, the shitty drop down, AND the gap between the outside wall of the stem and the inside wall of the bowl (there is one, certainly). Now, the bottom of the bowl does indeed sit flat on the top of the joint, but not all joints are perfectly flat, I don't think that would be air tight even if the joint was perfect, and I do think a bit of air was getting in there from that source and; 2) the bowl is 2.5 mm deeper than my OG SH which I think was a contributor to the change in vapor.

I switched from the FC-188 to my C2, 65 mm stemless can with an 18 mm joint and fuck the drop down. I put the Pan Head right on the joint as I had no sticking before....meaning no expansion, so I took the chance. No problem with that, it turns out.

I also bumped my temp up to 645 F from 620 F to to compensate for the deeper bowl.

Much, much better. Very satisfactory. Still not sure its quite as thick as my OG at same temp, but I think this is bowl depth again...but very respectable performance and NO STICKING!! :-)

Ran two loads this way while drinking a Tito's Martini and at that point it was bed time. HA

I think, with the Pan Head, I will try to bump my temp up yet a bit again and see what that does.

But I'm also thinking about asking @NewVape710 (Edwyn) if he would, as a custom job, either mill the bowl on my current Pan Head back down to the SH OG depth or perhaps just ask if he would make me another with the shallower bowl.

Guys, I'm a lightweight compared to many. But even when I do consume more than normal, I do like that around .15 g bowl and just do multiple sessions if I want more. I understand that the bowl as made deeper (like the OG FP) by popular demand and I concede that my desires may not be the majority (and who the F can satisfy everybody..yeah?). But it would seem to be a very easy customization to just mill the top of the bowl down a bit and put the bevel back on. I'm going to think about it.

So, I'm still very happy with my OG SH and now my Pan Head but there is more to explore.

Best regards

I noticed that as well with the slightly more whispy vapor in the new panhead. I think the air gap contributes more to it but that's going to require more testing.

 

[Baron23]

I noticed that as well with the slightly more whispy vapor in the new panhead. I think the air gap contributes more to it but that's going to require more testing.

It may well be...after I switched to the C2 can WP without a drop down, the only things left to attribute the slightly lighter vapor were the slight gap between bowl and stem and the deeper bowl.

 

[squigger]

Judging by a few of your recent posts, you don't seem super happy with the FP; is that safe to say?
I'm genuinely curious.

It's the most powerful vape I've used so far. I've had a fake pax1, mflb,CF,Vivant Alternate, Cloud Evo, Milaana. Its also the only one to hurt me. I dont really use this site to suck the teets of a company more to find out info and give out info. You need a good setup to protect yourself and others from this vape. Like when i went back home my dog tried to come over and sniff it when i had it close to the ground and i had to hold her back with my legs.Would have ended with a burnt snout

It's like a tiny cloud evo but you dont need to do a primer hit and it holds more weed and does double deckers.
Downside is that it gets really hot, so hot that when you want to take a dab and you have the shower head on the coil you need to get some paper towels to unscrew it and switch to the sic dish since waiting till it cools down is not an option when you've got friends over.

 

[dontmindme]

It may well be...after I switched to the C2 can WP without a drop down, the only things left to attribute the slightly lighter vapor were the slight gap between bowl and stem and the deeper bowl.

Could be the added mass and heat sinks. I was thinking the other variation would create two heat retainers (rings) applying heat below and transferring faster above.

 

[Baron23]

To test this you could put a little putty around and into the gap and see if the problem is corrected or not. If the problem is corrected you have isolated the issue.

I think what I may do is put the Pan Head on a WP, cover the inlet, and draw (did this last night and yes, there was some air leakage) then use electrical tape to try to seal up the stem/bowl gap and see if i can eliminate the air leak.

But even if that does it, there is nothing to do about it at this time (at least on mine) as it seems to be a function of the design.

Could be the added mass and heat sinks.

I don't believe it has any added mass or heat sink capability compared to my OG SH.

 

[dontmindme]

I think what I may do is put the Pan Head on a WP, cover the inlet, and draw (did this last night and yes, there was some air leakage) then use electrical tape to try to seal up the stem/bowl gap and see if i can eliminate the air leak.

But even if that does it, there is nothing to do about it at this time (at least on mine) as it seems to be a function of the design.



I don't believe it has any added mass or heat sink capability compared to my OG SH.

I was talking about the adjustable bowl... could also be taking air from the handle locking mechanism if the joint isnt resting up top.

 

[dontmindme]

Are you talking about the groove or the locking handle?

The groove since it goes all the way up and doesnt seal the two together.

 

[dontmindme]

I dont know if the connection relies on the top of the bowl resting on the showerhead or to seal it at the heat sinks. I think the last version rested on top...

 

[Chicken #420]

I noticed some lighter vapor than I was accustomed to with the final adjustabowl and I have been semi messing around with it for a day or two. What I have found corrects this issue well enough for me is if I apply a little pressure when I place the shower head to the body/bowl during a draw.

I noticed the same thing during my beta testing. I finally isolated it to the groove that the handle "point" rides in... it creates a small air leak that goes around the point and up the stem. If you place the bottom of the bowl flush with the top of the taper inlet, it stops the leak, it can't continue around the "L" of the lip with the glass and bowl-bottom metal in contact.

 

[Baron23]

Covering the inlet will show the same thing. When you put your thumb over the inlet and pull a small amount of air gets in. Still this does not tell you if this is the issue. You need you clog the gap with gum or putty and see if that corrected the issue. If it did you have successfully isolated the issue.

I believe, my friend, that you need to reread what I wrote. My intention is to establish a baseline, i.e. the Pan Head in the glass, inlet plugged (by finger or whatever) and draw to establish the degree of air leak.

THEN I'm thinking to take black electrical tape and seal the gap between the stem and bowl and try the leak test again.

But thank you for your input

I noticed the same rhing during my testing. I finally isolated it to the groove that the handle "point" rides in... it creates a small air leak that goes up the stem. If you place the bottom of the bowl flush with the top of the taper inlet, it stops the leak, it can't continue around the "L" of the lip with the glass and bowl-bottom metal in contact.

Not sure I understand what you tried to describe wrt to how you assembled to stop air leak.

Yes, the locking keyway is a prime suspect, but if you look from the bottom of the Pan Head with the stem installed, particularly with lighting in the background, you can see that there is a small gap all the way around which makes sense. Not sure that this poses any issues, but its there for certain on mine.

 

[Baron23]

I know and I agree. There is an air leak and we know this but is the leak specifically causing the thin vapor?
I think that if you (or me) can fill the gap and see of this stops the air leak and then also see if correcting the leak improves vapor production?

As @dontmindme also pointed out the lock channel could also be a problem area.

We seem to be in violent agreement. LOL

Internet communications strikes again.

Any idea of what you would use to fill the gap temporarily....do they still make window putty? Perhaps some silicone caulk?

My only issue is that I'm not at all sure that there is any substance that I would want to stick in there that I would also not mind vaping through.

 

[dontmindme]

Hemp? But like someone said, just put the stem in so it makes a connection...

 

[EmDeemo]

We seem to be in violent agreement. LOL

Internet communications strikes again.

Guys, just calm down! There is no excuse, even on the internet, for being so pleasant.

 

[ParanoidAndroid998]

I dont really use this site to suck the teets of a company more to find out info and give out info. You need a good setup to protect yourself and others from this vape. Like when i went back home my dog tried to come over and sniff it when i had it close to the ground and i had to hold her back with my legs.Would have ended with a burnt snout

Yes I appreciate your honest comments and always take them into consideration. These threads do get a little fanboyish for my liking. But i can understand the enthusiasm of this vape.
Although, I am concerned with having something so hot on my coffee table with carpet underneath.

 

[dontmindme]

Hopefully in the showerhead 2 system... tapers are used for connecting as this will keep everything upright and no tilting due to the coil handle and cord. Also would be a better seal but i dont know if that will work when it thermally expands...

I dont know how everyone inserts their screens, but with the errl ones... i just slightly bend it enough so it fits and it just goes in to the groove, then i straighten it out.

 

[ParanoidAndroid998]

Hopefully in the showerhead 2 system... tapers are used for connecting as this will keep everything upright and no tilting due to the coil handle and cord. Also would be a better seal but i dont know if that will work when it thermally expands...

I noticed in some videos that it tilts like that. Couldn't tell where it was coming from though. Is it the bowl thats tilting?

 

[dontmindme]

I noticed in some videos that it tilts like that. Couldn't tell where it was coming from though. Is it the bowl thats tilting?

Showerhead, since the seal relies on it resting flat on the bowl (adjustable relies on resting on the heat sinks i think)... a larger flatter rim uptop might work better.

 

[EmDeemo]

Yes I appreciate your honest comments and always take them into consideration. These threads do get a little fanboyish for my liking. But i can understand the enthusiasm of this vape.
Although, I am concerned with having something so hot on my coffee table with carpet underneath.

Thankfully, I've had way more accidents with candles than I have the FP so far, tho I was concerned about having a coil around when I first starting considering an enail, before I even saw the FP. Thankfully its not really been an issue so far. Honestly found the torch heated nails more dangerous.

If I had kids or a pet, I'd def get a small coffee table and fix the whole thing to it

Thats screw in stand adapter that NV came out with would def get used.

Thanks @steama @Baron23 @Chicken #420 and anyone else I forget contributing adjustabowl feedback, appreciated.

 

[buckhakeesah]

Thanks to all who participated in my consensus. Sounds like burned skin comes with the territory. I still need it in my life, so i will obtain one again eventually.

 

[Square4Life]

On the adjusta-bowl...what is actually creating a seal between the glass joint and the bowl? If you did like he showed in the video with the tape method...the bottom of the bowl isn't touching the joint. Therefore, does the sealing actually take place on top of the joint simply by the bowl resting on top of the joint?

If I am correct, I don't feel like this would create a very solid connection.

What if the top of the joint isn't level and smooth?
What if the joint wasn't parallel with the ground? The bowl would then be sitting at an angle in the water piece and then may not create a seal.

If gravity is essentially the only thing making the seal...it may not be for me. Hoping I'm wrong though.

EDIT: I hope this didn't come across as being negative...I'm just trying to ensure I understand how it works...

This thread just moves too fast! lol Before I forget again, can someone with the adjusta-bowl help me on the above?

Hmmm.....lol I may not have got an answer to this on the forums, before this, but I guess I did now

EDIT: yes...lol I was a bit annoyed