Can I QWISO a glycerin extract?

[Purpl3_Haz3]

dberms got you covered haze, also about the filter over the jar, it takes FOREVER for the alcohol to seep through it if you don't use something to push it through like dberm mentioned. that would increase your soak time to well over a couple minutes, extracting much more unwanted contaminants.

Thanks Dberm and Stroh.

Gonna go do my abv trial qwiso hash now. I plan on using a combination of screen collanders, coffee filters, etc, similar to hashmoufs method..This should allow me to squeeze out the remaining iso.

When I do the trainwreck...after the first wash, I should squeeze what remains in the nugs out to the evap plate. After that, should I grind the nugs or break them up partially? or jus tleave them whole for the second wash?

Thanks

 

[Dberm]

Not a problem purple!

Just so you know, you dont need to stress too tough using QWISO. Worst case scenario: you remove more chlorophyll and other unwanted crap. Still gets you way high, just doesn't taste as nice and isn't as healthy.

I'd leave nugs whole and just increase shake time a little over your first wash. Adding unnecessary handling to the mix will (imho) increase likelyhood of a weaker product.

What my end all method will be is to do BHO first to get the top shelf dankies, then follow that up with a slightly extended QWISO wash to extract remaining cannabinoids. This should give me great yield so that I can spread the love around!

After you feel more comfortable move on to BHO!

 

[Purpl3_Haz3]

Yeah, I have aided others in the BHO process, and am not really worried at all about the qwiso, but some people are quick to jump and say BHO or go home, etc...I just wanted to make sure it wouldnt be a total loss lol

As for BHO, I wanted to do my first batch this summer, but never found the time. It's getting cold out now, and I live in a pretty populated, can't vape a trench in the back yard, type of area. BHO will come next spring, when I hopefully relocate some where more secluded. It's qwiso for the winter for me, so I wanna master it lol.

 

[Purpl3_Haz3]

Did the first batch with the abv. It is sitting waiting to evap now. got two dishes, both in front of a fan with a de-humidifier as well.

As soon as they are evaporated I'll be doing the trainwreck. I'm gonna put the trainwreck in the jar and place them in the freezer with the ISO sometime now. Got two strainers that I can use to squeeze the iso from the nuggets.

Should I use more of a swirling action with the nugs, or just full on shake it up for 30 seconds?

 

[stroh]

i tend to just shake fairly vigorously, but be warned if you shake too hard the nuggets can break apart releasing more chlorophyll, tannins, plant matter etc. into your product. swirling actually might be a better idea.

 

[Dberm]

I've heard mixed things about freezing the ISO and I feel like people tended to say use it at room temp.

Makes sense to me, warm solvent passing over cold material both thawing and extracting?

 

[stroh]

don't freeze the alcohol unless you want an almost kief like consistency. but by all means prefreeze the jar and nugs

 

[Purpl3_Haz3]

Thanks for the tips again Stroh and Dberm. My abv batch is almost fully evaporated, got the trainwreck in the jar, in the freezer. Iso out on the counter warming up as I kinda just read this and took it outta the freezer.

Should be starting the process within the hour. I took pics of the buds ahead of time, but they're just iPhone pics. I'll get a few pics of the oil on the plate, wet, dry, and scraped...I'm excited

The fan (a big Box fan angled downward towards the evap dish) and the dehumidifier work amazing for speeding up the evap process btw! I'm in a basement that's gotta be at the most 68 degrees, and I would have expected this to take much longer...

 

[Purpl3_Haz3]

Alright, some questions now. I've done three washes of the trainwreck. Did them back to back, strain to evap dish, nug back in jar, cover, shake, strain, etc...

I managed to get little to no particulate in the evap dish for all 3 washes.

My question is, is the iso that's in the evap dish supposed to be practically clear? My knowledge tells me if it's clear, it's got minimal chlorophyl, etc...I am just worried that the clearness and lack of color indicates a lack of cannabinoids, etc. Someone tell me I'm wrong though on the latter.

My third wash has a yellow, maybe greenish tint to it, but it's minimal.


As for the abv wash, I have smoked a few hits of it (probably should have only taken one or two) and I'm slightly medicated (probably more than slightly) but quite anxious/paranoid...

Lol I'm guessing it's just the overwhelming effects. I'm gonna go lay on the couch and try to relax into this, and see if I can over come the anxiety...

 

[Purpl3_Haz3]

Alright. So I went to check in the dishes. The Second wash is white. It looks like milk...the first is still crystal clear, and the third slightly yellow/green. What could cause the second was to turn a very cloudy milky whit, yet the third wash and first are fine?

Edit* the first wash is now starting to turn white. Just one spot round spot, about as big around as a soda can.

Im searching frantically hoping I didn't some how screw this up. Read something that says clear/white is potent. It just looks so weird and the abv wash didt turn white at all. I'll try and post pics

 

[Dberm]

Hey sorry Purple didn't check this thread for a bit. Just wait for everything to evaporate till you make any assumptions. I'm thinking everything wil be fine, and you first two washes will be will be smaller yields but higher potency with the last wash being the majority of the weight and smaller potency.

The thing about my opinions on this are different though because I was using trim not nuggets. Your first two washes may be insanely dank and have some weight, just for me using trim with less trichs I may not have gotten as awesome of results.

Definitely throw a picture up here when it gets done evaporating and I'll be able to tell you a little better.

 

[Purpl3_Haz3]

Hey sorry Purple didn't check this thread for a bit. Just wait for everything to evaporate till you make any assumptions. I'm thinking everything wil be fine, and you first two washes will be will be smaller yields but higher potency with the last wash being the majority of the weight and smaller potency.

The thing about my opinions on this are different though because I was using trim not nuggets. Your first two washes may be insanely dank and have some weight, just for me using trim with less trichs I may not have gotten as awesome of results.

Definitely throw a picture up here when it gets done evaporating and I'll be able to tell you a little better.

Alright. So you'd guess the white is a sign of potency? I'll post pics when it's all done. Still trying to figure out how to get the air back in the house in place of the alcohol...lol! It's like walking into a drunks mouth.

Edit***

More googling shows that clear is good qwiso, white is even better, with green to black being worse

So I think I'm in the neighborhood I should be in seeing as how I put high quality buds in...But only the results will tell, and I'll post pics/med report as soon as I can...

 

[Dberm]

Yep maybe that's the key to QWISO... using high quality buds! My trimmings were from some VERY dank and aromatic plants but still the THC content of buds is just so much higher.

Very excited to see what it turned out like, as every single one of my extracts looked decently green while evaporating.

 

[Purpl3_Haz3]

Yep maybe that's the key to QWISO... using high quality buds! My trimmings were from some VERY dank and aromatic plants but still the THC content of buds is just so much higher.

Very excited to see what it turned out like, as every single one of my extracts looked decently green while evaporating.

I tried uploading pics to image shack, as its the only thing I can thunk of with just my phone. Can't get the li is to share the pics though.

The first wash is almost evaporated. There are a few little pools of liquid left. The majority of the plate is CAKED in a white powdery substance. It looks nothing like bud, or any hash I've ever seen, but according to the Internet, white qwiso is the purest.

The second wash is about 70% evaporated, and has changed color a couple times. When I sat it out to evap, it wad clear liquid like the first wash. Checked back and the first wash was whitathens the second had a large white puddle in it. Checked back again, and the second wash was clear again! Now, the second wash is completely white and looks like it's gonna turn out just like the first wash.

The third is still a very clear yellow/green, but mostly clear liquid. It doesn't seem like the third one has evaporated enough to solidify yet...But its time for me to go to sleep. Ive smoked some more of the qwiso, and I'm getting an indica-esque buzz like never before. I feel like i do when I've smoked an indica and layed down somewhere comfortable. But I'm just sitting on the floor. Never had such an intense pain relief either. All of my back pain is non existent!

Anyhow, sorry for the long post, I seem to be full of those lately. Check back tomorrow for pictures and a report/analysis of the mysterious white qwiso.

 

[stroh]

does your qwiso look like this when scraped up?

this is the type of consistency i get when i do not use heat to purge, or if i use too high of heat when purging. great for bowl topping, but hard to dab.

 

[Purpl3_Haz3]

does your qwiso look like this when scraped up?

http://forum.grasscity.com/attachme...-frozen-hash-oil-crystals-golden_goodness.jpg

this is the type of consistency i get when i do not use heat to purge, or if i use too high of heat when purging. great for bowl topping, but hard to dab.

Image isn't showing up...

Edit*. Just checked on the evap dishes; the first and second wash seem to have fully dried to a white chalky powdery hash, and the third wash is still a gree/yellow yet mostly clear liquid.

 

[Dberm]

Very interested to see what you come out with now.

I have gotten the white/milky result before when I was cleaning my VOS that was caked in honey oil. Honestly I didn't even bother looking it up and just tossed the crap, but if you're getting these results too I'm thinking maybe I was too hasty in throwing it out!

Oh well no bother. Got some BHO naturally purging now and that should be a tasty treat :-) I'll throw some pictures up when she's all done.

Oh and two my two oil buddies: I believe I have found the secret to hash oil e cigarettes like the Omicron. If I'm right, then you may be able to get just a regular e cigarette and use these special "low resistance triple coil cartomizers" which get so hot with regular e cig use that it can seriously burn your lips from touching it.

I'll keep you guys posted, but if I'm right that means you could have a new oil vape that holds over a gram of oil and has enough battery life for a full day of vapeage!

 

[Purpl3_Haz3]

Very interested to see what you come out with now.

I have gotten the white/milky result before when I was cleaning my VOS that was caked in honey oil. Honestly I didn't even bother looking it up and just tossed the crap, but if you're getting these results too I'm thinking maybe I was too hasty in throwing it out!

Oh well no bother. Got some BHO naturally purging now and that should be a tasty treat :-) I'll throw some pictures up when she's all done.

Oh and two my two oil buddies: I believe I have found the secret to hash oil e cigarettes like the Omicron. If I'm right, then you may be able to get just a regular e cigarette and use these special "low resistance triple coil cartomizers" which get so hot with regular e cig use that it can seriously burn your lips from touching it.

I'll keep you guys posted, but if I'm right that means you could have a new oil vape that holds over a gram of oil and has enough battery life for a full day of vapeage!

Yeah, glad I didn't get hasty and throw this stuff out either! The first plate seems completely dry, but I'm going to wait for the second and third to dry fully before scraping the first.

I put my nose to the first dish, and it smells very very dank! Here are some pics

Clicking on the thumbnails will bring you to use.com, you can then click the arrow and scroll through the slightly larger thumbnails, or click on the pic you see when you get to use.com and get a full size pic.

\/ Train Wreck buds pre wash \/







\/ Train Wreck buds post wash \/




\/ All three washes, just after setting them out \/




\/ First wash \/





\/ Third wash \/




\/ All three washes after approx. 1-3 hours (first wash mostly white, in the middle of the three dishes, second wash semi white, closest to the camera, third wash mostly clear, farthest from the camera) \/

 

[stroh]

post pics when you scrape it up, im sure its quite tasty the picture i posted was more or less like the ones in this link, lemme know if you can see em

http://www.tokecity.com/forums/showthread.php4?t=1822

the consistency is nearly powder, but clumps up much easier and is much stickier than kief.

 

[Purpl3_Haz3]

I was able to see your first pic after logging into GC...looks similar to what I'd assume mine will look like when scraped, as far as the consistency goes. The color though, I think is a bit different.

EDIT*

I think the 1st wash is fully evaporated, but cannot be sure. It has looked the same for hours now. Mostly a dry looking white chalk like substance. some is a little bit glossy though. it is hardly sticky to the touch, maybe a little bit here and there. here are a few better pics that I just took.

My question to the you all, is scrape now, or wait more?







EDIT*2

Scraped a small section, and it breaks to a powder as its scraped, some of it stays in little strips. \/pics\/

 

[Dberm]

I always wait longer than I think necessary to scrape just to make sure everything has evaporated out.

Once you're ready what I do is stick the pyrex in the freezer for like 30 min before scraping. Makes it come off much easier and cleaner than when I try and do it warm.

 

[Purpl3_Haz3]

I always wait longer than I think necessary to scrape just to make sure everything has evaporated out.

Once you're ready what I do is stick the pyrex in the freezer for like 30 min before scraping. Makes it come off much easier and cleaner than when I try and do it warm.

I just, just, finished scraping the last of the first wash oh well, I confirmed it was totally evaporated, and scraped it all out, took a few hits, and the effect is amazing. It seems a little short lasting, at least the intense body waves do. The rest of the med, pain relief, anti anxiety/depression, etc are all going full blast still! lost track of time, so I don't know when I started scraping, or when I smoked some, but whatever.

I still can't get the last ring around the pyrex pie plate clean though :/ but I am sure that if I freeze it, it should come off easier. The scraping wasn't too difficult at room temp, but it cause the little pieces/flakes/specs to fly around, all landing right in the dish though so nothing was lost. I will freeze the second and third wash before scraping them as well.

The following pics are thumbnails of decent resolution point n' shoot "macro's," click for bigger size, click again for full size.

The lighting in the pics makes the hash look more yellow/off white. In reality, it is white, maybe just a hint of off white. the last pic of the hash in the bowl, gives a better color, but it will vary from monitor to monitor. Kind of looks like the flakes of milk that build up around/under the cap on a jug of milk lol.

\/ Here are the pics of the 1st wash's scrapings \/





\/ Scrapings on top of a bowl \/

 

[Dberm]

Wow that's wild. What does it do when you burn it? Does it turn to straight oil and coat the bowl or does it bubble and fizzle?

Looks very interesting. How's the taste? Try and load it in a makeshift eclipse vape or whatever that thing is called.

 

[Purpl3_Haz3]

Wow that's wild. What does it do when you burn it? Does it turn to straight oil and coat the bowl or does it bubble and fizzle?

Looks very interesting. How's the taste? Try and load it in a makeshift eclipse vape or whatever that thing is called.

To smoke it, I hold then lighter a couple centimeters above the hash, and inhale like I'm using a VG but a little faster, so I don't hit the hash or come too close to ignite anything. It takes about one full inhale, or 3/4 of one to melt the hash over the bud. It doesn't seem to bubble...It just mystically transforms to a golden yellow honey, almost seamlessly. I don't know if it's liquid or not, but if its liquid its got a very thick consistency, as it stays in place very well. When I go to hit it, I hold the lighter above the hash, just close enough to heat it up, and create a cherry on the bud around it. The flame never touches it. I couldn't get it all in in one hit either time I smoked it tonight, but it seemed to go out pretty quickly after clearing the pipe.

How do you (anyone can answer this) smoke your hash/oil? Do you just hit it like a regular bowl pack? Or do you do something similar to what i described? This question is directed more to those who do/have smoke(d) hash or oil out of a regular pipe, like the one i pictured above, etc...or those don't use a dabbing/TI setup, or oil pipe (haven't done much research on oil/hash equipment)

Edit* I'm not sure what the eclipse Vape is, but I'll check out the thread. You say makeshift, could i make one myself? I just checked out the eclipse vape, and my buddy has the essential vaaapp, which seems to be the same thing.

Would there be any advantage to using the eclipse Vape instead of using my EQ? I want to try vaping some of this hash in the EQ tomorrow, just not sure how to go about it. I'd like to get just the hash in there, but not sure if i can without damaging the vape/getting oil on the heating element/making a mess. If i can't just Vape the hash alone, I'll put it in a sandwhich of some train wreck. I'd rather not mix it with another strain...

The taste smoking it was good. I know that's not much of a description, but It was a couple hours ago and I actually can't remember exactly how it tasted. This is a testament to the potency of the qwiso I do know it tasted better than a lot of hash ive had before! But, I used to get some bubble hash once or twice a month when a friend made it, and it was a lot better than this. It was made with the bubble bag setup, and using Northern lights 5 haze X Blueberry Kush. Both the taste and the effect were better than the qwiso Ive made, but not by a long shot. The taste of the bubble hash was amazing, and I don't think the qwiso tasted nearly as good as the bubble. It still tastes as good as something I'd expect to find at the dispensary, if they could sell hash.

 

[Dberm]

If I smoke bowls I normally press that powder you've got together and form a ball. Then I pinch off it and form it into a little paddy then put that in the middle of some bud