Camouflet Ceramo XL

[Ariwe]

Honeymoon is over. I cannot get the screen to stay in place. Tips please, its completely unusable

I'm not new, I've done all the tricks. I think the problem is there's no shelf for the screen to lock into. Not a good design imho.

Yup same issue. I started using the top of a Lobo dosing capsule which works well.

 

[hotmeals]

I've done all the tricks.

You tried bending the little tabs outward a bit to make it fit tighter?

 

[Texus]

You tried bending the little tabs outward a bit to make it fit tighter?

I wonder if one of delta 3D's larger basket screen presses could make a basket screen that would hold nicely. Just got one for my Nano XL and Terpcicle and love it.

 

[Clapped_r6]

Once it bent up I couldn't get it back in. Again, not a greenhorn with parts. I had a spare from something else that worked thankfully.

 

[b0]

After some testing, I must say I love this thing. Until T2 comes, this has a perfect place in my rotation

 

[TigoleBitties]

After some testing, I must say I love this thing. Until T2 comes, this has a perfect place in my rotation

I agree. I liked it from the first go but I admit it's growing on me even more. I can get three big tasty hits from a full bowl with near perfect extraction every time.

My wand timings are now 16 flashes for the first hit and 11 flashes for reheats.

 

[b0]

I agree. I liked it from the first go but I admit it's growing on me even more. I can get three big tasty hits from a full bowl with near perfect extraction every time.

My wand timings are now 16 flashes for the first hit and 11 flashes for reheats.

With the Super Capacitor, I do first hit 17 flashes if I want it hot, 15-16 for lower temp. Then 8 blinks when vapor stops and ready again

 

[TigoleBitties]

With the Super Capacitor, I do first hit 17 flashes if I want it hot, 15-16 for lower temp. Then 8 blinks when vapor stops and ready again

Makes sense. I'm guessing you only need 8 flashes for reheats since there's so much more thermal mass in the SuperCapacitor.

 

[BlazeDis]

I had some very nice sessions with the Ceramo yesterday and I think I may have dialed in my heating with the Wand. The Vaphit glass intercooler is really great at taming the vapor natively and it'll be my solution for native hits although I have to be really careful of the fragility. With 15 flashes from cold I can get a one hit extraction with a perfect brown roast and great flavor.

I did hear a bit of squealing again during the heat cycle but the cap stays on, perhaps because I always lean the Ceramo against the side walls of the Wand's glass to keeps my hands more steady. The hits are big and airy. I used it as a WPA again later in the day with great results too. Overall I'm happy with the new addition.

Hi where can I get the glass intercooler please ?
Is it part of a Vaphit kit ?

 

[TigoleBitties]

Hi where can I get the glass intercooler please ?
Is it part of a Vaphit kit ?

Yup. It's part of the vaphit DNA glass stem kit. I posted some pictures of it a bit earlier in the thread.

Edit: https://fuckcombustion.com/threads/camouflet-ceramo-xl.56164/post-1844088

It's working really well for me but just be aware that it didn't quite fit for another forum member who had the same kit. Must be some differences in the tolerances when the glass is manufactured.

 

[BlazeDis]

Ok mate thanks , will check it out …

 

[XoGnosis]

Yup. It's part of the vaphit DNA glass stem kit. I posted some pictures of it a bit earlier in the thread.

Edit: https://fuckcombustion.com/threads/camouflet-ceramo-xl.56164/post-1844088

It's working really well for me but just be aware that it didn't quite fit for another forum member who had the same kit. Must be some differences in the tolerances when the glass is manufactured.

count me in the "doesn't fit" camp. The helix from my DNA stem stops about 4mm short of seating. I tried it anyway covering the gap with my fingers and liked it quite a lot, but not enough to buy another DNA stem on the chance it might fit. Does anybody else make glass or zirc intercoolers for 8mm stems?

 

[hotmeals]

I received my replacement Ceramo XL stem a while ago and it has the same problem of the cap being pulled off by the Wand. Camouflet requested a video, So I sent them one. A week later I have not heard a response, but the video which I only shared with them has been viewed.

 

[n0tu2]

If you shake the stem cap/tip face down does it fall right off easily? If so use the tool to bend the teeth in a little more for a tighter fit?

 

[hotmeals]

If you shake the stem cap/tip face down does it fall right off easily? If so use the tool to bend the teeth in a little more for a tighter fit?

Nope, it doesn't. I've already tried adjusting it many times

 

[n0tu2]

Nope, it doesn't. I've already tried adjusting it many times

strange.. i tightened mine to where it will not fall off no matter how hard you shake it.. i mean i guess if you do a massive air drop and wrist flick maybe it would, lol. i wonder if your wand is putting out more of a magnetic field then others? the ceramic surface is very smooth - if it was ruffed up with some sandpaper it might be more grippy, but that may ruin it appearance wise for sure.. could it be the cap itself? share your video for others to see? i understand if you don't want to for privacy - was just curious

 

[hotmeals]

i wonder if your wand is putting out more of a magnetic field then others?

I've considered that also, I wonder how much it varies, and how it relates to power output. Because the timings I have used seem fairly consistent with other people's.

the ceramic surface is very smooth - if it was ruffed up with some sandpaper it might be more grippy, but that may ruin it appearance wise for sure..

Yeah I don't want to have to do that. Would common sandpaper even work on the zirconia?

could it be the cap itself?

I doubt it but it's possible. The replacement came with another cap also but I haven't tried it because I wanted to keep it as unused as possible while resolving this issue.

share your video for others to see?

Sure, here's the video I sent them:

I just set its visibility to public

 

[TigoleBitties]

I've considered that also, I wonder how much it varies, and how it relates to power output. Because the timings I have used seem fairly consistent with other people's.

Yeah I don't want to have to do that. Would common sandpaper even work on the zirconia?

I doubt it but it's possible. The replacement came with another cap also but I haven't tried it because I wanted to keep it as unused as possible while resolving this issue.

Sure, here's the video I sent them:

I just set its visibility to public

I like to hold the wand sideways on a tabletop and insert the Ceramo horizontally. I also don't hold it floating withing the coil but I press the side of the cap against the inner glass of the Wand. I think if you were to hold the Ceramo such that you add some friction by holding it against the glass wall of the Wand, this might solve your problem.

Also try and make sure you only insert the Ceramo just barely enough to trigger Wand so it heats only the very tip of the cap. The deeper the cap goes, the stronger the pull will be.

 

[hotmeals]

I like to hold the wand sideways on a tabletop and insert the Ceramo horizontally. I also don't hold it floating withing the coil but I press the side of the cap against the inner glass of the Wand. I think if you were to hold the Ceramo such that you add some friction by holding it against the glass wall of the Wand, this might solve your problem.

Also try and make sure you only insert the Ceramo just barely enough to trigger Wand so it heats only the very tip of the cap. The deeper the cap goes, the stronger the pull will be.

For me it doesn't matter how deeply I insert it, it will happen at any depth. I feel like I shouldn't need to be applying extra force to hold the cap on while heating. To me that would indicate a major flaw.

 

[n0tu2]

For me it doesn't matter how deeply I insert it, it will happen at any depth. I feel like I shouldn't need to be applying extra force to hold the cap on while heating. To me that would indicate a major flaw.

Are you using the wand in manual mode/holding button down during entire heating cycle? I've never used it that way.. always just double click to auto detect mode and inserted slowly just enough until it kicks on/yellow blinks.. doubt it has anything to do with it.. but who knows - I will look closer next time if the cap moves in manual or auto mode ..

 

[hotmeals]

Are you using the wand in manual mode/holding button down during entire heating cycle?

Yeah that's how I would use it with the Ceramo

 

[Durbandream]

Are you using the wand in manual mode/holding button down during entire heating cycle? I've never used it that way.. always just double click to auto detect mode and inserted slowly just enough until it kicks on/yellow blinks.. doubt it has anything to do with it.. but who knows - I will look closer next time if the cap moves in manual or auto mode ..

Are you using the regular cap that came with the Ceramo? Mine had the exact same problem hotmeals and others have had with the cap coming off no matter how much it's tightened when using the wand. I also showed it to Camouflet and they had me send it in, it's a problem with the design.

 

[Clapped_r6]

I've seen my cap spinning around while heating, clearly not "attached". I've just kept it in a piece so it's vertical. It has pulled the cap off a few times

 

[TigoleBitties]

Are you using the regular cap that came with the Ceramo? Mine had the exact same problem hotmeals and others have had with the cap coming off no matter how much it's tightened when using the wand. I also showed it to Camouflet and they had me send it in, it's a problem with the design.

I've seen my cap spinning around while heating, clearly not "attached". I've just kept it in a piece so it's vertical. It has pulled the cap off a few times

I've had the Wand pull the cap off only twice since I've had it so I can confirm that it happens. However, ever since I've been heating it holding the Wand sideways on a tabletop and pressing the cap a bit into the side of the Wand to add some friction, the cap stays put. I use auto mode (double click) on the Wand as well.

I'm not sure what they'll do to make this problem better but I'm happy to have found a workaround for now. I don't know what I'd do if the cap got pulled off every time or even most times.

 

[n0tu2]

My guess is the zirconia is so smooth/polished and slippery contact with stainless may have been an unforseen issue.

I bet a dimpled (golf ball like) texture just on the stem tip would hold it better.. not sure of the best pattern though or maybe only top half of the tip. Need to test different patterns to make sure air can't sneak under it like dyna caps, you want air primarily through the top only.

I think a textured surface may ruin the appearance tho. see laser irradiation. Doesn't address the cap whine..