Camouflet Ceramo XL

[Ariwe]

I've been having mixed results with mine. The flavor is great, the wand works well, and it feels nice to hold.

I have been doing 10x flashes with the wand, draw till no more vapor. Then another 10x flashes. Gets a good light brown ABV.
However, it makes a pretty horrible screeching sound while heating. I am holding the wand onto the cap, so I am not sure tightening would do anything

Also, my screen came in crooked. I tried fiddling with it for a long time, but could never get it to sit evenly. I ended up just ordering some mesh screens that fit from Amazon. Doesn't effect the functionality, but I wish the stock one was properly installed in the first place.

Only using it through glass so I can't comment on heat. Flavor is great as expected!

 

[Camouflet]

I have been doing 10x flashes with the wand, draw till no more vapor. Then another 10x flashes. Gets a good light brown ABV.

The Ceramo XL can handle a bit more heat time if you'd like more vapor production on the first draw/heat cycle. 12-14 blinks with a full battery charge seems to be the sweet spot.
With the CeramoXL, same as the Convector XL, it is important to be mindfull of the cap depth in the coil and to focus the heat on the heater plates inside the cap. If you insert the cap too deep it will not target the heater plates efficiently. Insert the cap only until it engages the wand.

However, it makes a pretty horrible screeching sound while heating. I am holding the wand onto the cap, so I am not sure tightening would do anything

Yes, we want to use the included Cap Adjustment Tool and tighten/loosen the fins on the caps accordingly for a snug fit. You can press the cap against the sidewall of the glass inside the coil area of the wand when heating which should stop the screeching you're describing.

Also, my screen came in crooked. I tried fiddling with it for a long time, but could never get it to sit evenly. I ended up just ordering some mesh screens that fit from Amazon. Doesn't effect the functionality, but I wish the stock one was properly installed in the first place.

You can remove the chamber screen, flatten it, and reset in the chamber.

 

[coolbreeze]

w00t! Ceramo XL has landed! I've had a couple bowls using the Super Capacitor (the SC fits perfectly, the OG cap is a little loose and needs adjusted). I'm heating for about 5 seconds at 25v, reheating for 3 secs (or another 2 secs if a third heat is necessary). Flavor shines right through! The vapor is warm but not hot. The Super Capacitor dumps a good bit of heat into the upper stem; both pieces retain heat for a couple minutes. The Ceramo looks and feels premium--this combo is elegant and powerful.

 

[budski]

that triple helix glass is gorgeous!! your collection never ceases to amaze!

 

[Goatts]

https://imgur.com/a/qAlOIsq

My search for a cooling mouthpiece didn't take long. The Tempest cooling spiral, helix tube and MP not only fit perfect but provide an unbeatable cooling experience. Although - that sneak peak ceramic mouthpiece with an integrated ceramic cooling spiral would be dope.

 

[RedZep]

https://imgur.com/a/qAlOIsq

My search for a cooling mouthpiece didn't take long. The Tempest cooling spiral, helix tube and MP not only fit perfect but provide an unbeatable cooling experience. Although - that sneak peak ceramic mouthpiece with an integrated ceramic cooling spiral would be dope.

Looks good too, as the cap is the same colour. Great idea.

 

[SlickHenry]

Question for people with the Super Capacitor cap. How are you seating it on the Ceramo XL stem? The sleeve is longer than the standard Camo cap so do you fully push the cap on as low as possible or position it so the fins are gripping the stem?

https://imgur.com/a/DvAEc1t

The first option seems logical, getting the heater closer to the material, but as the fins have past the widest part of the stem they do not grip and the cap rattles and moves a fair bit. Doesn't feel the best or most secure.

For mouthpiece and extra cooling for native use I find the TRWW Pinner works really well. I really love the balance and feel of this set up.

https://imgur.com/a/gexisVm

 

[Camouflet]

Question for people with the Super Capacitor cap. How are you seating it on the Ceramo XL stem? The sleeve is longer than the standard Camo cap so do you fully push the cap on as low as possible or position it so the fins are gripping the stem?

https://imgur.com/a/DvAEc1t

The first option seems logical, getting the heater closer to the material, but as the fins have past the widest part of the stem they do not grip and the cap rattles and moves a fair bit. Doesn't feel the best or most secure.

We want the Super Capacitor to sit on the chamber at the same position as the regular XL Cap, the fins should grip at the widest part of the chamber. We don't want to push it on any further.

The Super Capacitor is slightly longer and has extra "head room" between the tip of the chamber and heater plates in the Super Capacitor. This small gap allows for longer heating and forgiveness with the least amount of conduction transferring to the chamber.

 

[SlickHenry]

We want the Super Capacitor to sit on the chamber at the same position as the regular XL Cap, the fins should grip at the widest part of the chamber. We don't want to push it on any further.

The Super Capacitor is slightly longer and has extra "head room" between the tip of the chamber and heater plates in the Super Capacitor. This small gap allows for longer heating and forgiveness with the least amount of conduction transferring to the chamber.

Thanks for clearing this up. Much appreciated

 

[Ariwe]

Updates based on the info here: https://fuckcombustion.com/threads/camouflet-ceramo-xl.56164/post-1843172

I was pushing the wand too far down – started holding the wand a bit higher and good some better hits.
I did 13 and 14 flashes respectively, very decent clouds but no combustion and still bits of green.

I am still having issues with the screen though. I tried taking it out and flattening it again, but no luck.
I did find that the top of a Lobo Dosing capsule fits perfectly and it's so much easier to set. Going with that for now.

Really enjoying the speed and simplicity of the device and honing it in further.

 

[SlickHenry]

Updates based on the info here: https://fuckcombustion.com/threads/camouflet-ceramo-xl.56164/post-1843172

I was pushing the wand too far down – started holding the wand a bit higher and good some better hits.
I did 13 and 14 flashes respectively, very decent clouds but no combustion and still bits of green.

I am still having issues with the screen though. I tried taking it out and flattening it again, but no luck.
I did find that the top of a Lobo Dosing capsule fits perfectly and it's so much easier to set. Going with that for now.

Really enjoying the speed and simplicity of the device and honing it in further.

14 blinks is the magic number for me when heating from cold. Reheats usually 8 or 9. On average I would say I get 4 hits with a 3/4 filled bowl with the second and third the biggest hit. This is natively with the regular cap.

Yes, you only want to heat the plates in the tip of the cap. I find that without any inserts you want to put the tip about half way into the wand, so the fins of the cap are only just protruding.

With the screens, I haven't removed mine yet but just checking are you installing the correct way up? The feet need to point upwards towards the bowl and I think the screens just stay in place via friction.

Mine also wasn't installed perfectly flat but I just poked it to seat it a bit more evenly. They are quite thin so bend easily. Maybe try the Dynavap trick of using a condenser as a rolling pin to flatten! When poking them in try to find something with a flat end roughly the same diameter as the screen (I use the fat end of a chopstick), this reduces the chance of the screen bending again and gives you the best chance of seating it evenly.

 

[hotmeals]

My Ceramo and Super Capacitor arrived today. First thing I notice is that it does not fit in the XL tube or the Bambox with the Super Capacitor, which is pretty disappointing and inconvenient. It will fit in the Bambox if you remove the insert, but then there is exposed glue around the seams of the box that you're putting the vape on top of. So, I don't know what I'm going to do about storage. Both caps needed adjustment to fit nicely. It feels really good in the hand and I can't wait to try it. Was planning a t-break from today til 4/20, but now that this has arrived early, we'll see if that actually happens

 

[hotmeals]

Of course I tried it. I haven't been able to get the regular cap to stay on in the Wand. I have it adjusted to the point that it's a little difficult to put the cap on, but it still pops up while heating. I was just allowing it to happen and pressing it back on with some mini tongs before each hit, which is annoying and suboptimal. I've adjusted the Super Capacitor so that it sort of clicks into a place where the fins extend slightly past the widest point, and that has been tight enough to stay put so far. The regular XL cap can't go that far on mine because it bumps into the bottom screen of the heater first. The vapor is very nice though as expected. Feels just like a sized up OG Convector, really makes the citrusy herb zing. I did think it was pretty hot native, much hotter than the OG, and I wasn't packing full bowls. The Super Capacitor felt even hotter, but I only tried it once and will have to do more testing.

 

[Cacahuates]

I'm wondering was the omission of an intercooler because the ceramo is intended to be used on a water pipe?

I love the cxl natively and I think it's a shame they didn't include any similar cooling solution for the ceramo. Maybe I should try it with the cooler from the clx, but I found it to be nowhere as enjoyable as the cxl.

I also tried the super cap with the ceramo, have yet to try it on the cxl, and I didn't think it performed that well. Used the wand so perhaps a torch would be better. Maybe I'll hit it was the big kitchen torch I use with the QC. Oooo wait a minute... RWW needs a cap for the cxl!!!!

I think I'm dialed into the cxl too much, but i can't see using the super cap or the ceramo over it.

 

[hotmeals]

I'm wondering was the omission of an intercooler because the ceramo is intended to be used on a water pipe?

I love the cxl natively and I think it's a shame they didn't include any similar cooling solution for the ceramo.

I think the idea was that making the stem out of insulative ceramic would provide similar cooling to the CXL's insulative ceramic insert. I think a big part of the difference may be that the Ceramo's stem is now wide open, while the CXL's insert is more restricted with its four smaller holes. I've never tried the CXL so I can't compare with experience. I still enjoyed it very much, and the regular cap was very tolerable, but I can see why people, including myself, may choose to use it on glass a lot of the time.

 

[Cacahuates]

I think the idea was that making the stem out of insulative ceramic would provide similar cooling to the CXL's insulative ceramic insert. I've never tried the CXL so I can't compare. I still enjoyed it very much, and the regular cap was very tolerable, but I can see why people, including myself, may choose to use it on glass a lot of the time.

Ya i think on glass is where she's meant to be.

 

[Durbandream]

I'm wondering was the omission of an intercooler because the ceramo is intended to be used on a water pipe?

I love the cxl natively and I think it's a shame they didn't include any similar cooling solution for the ceramo. Maybe I should try it with the cooler from the clx, but I found it to be nowhere as enjoyable as the cxl.

I also tried the super cap with the ceramo, have yet to try it on the cxl, and I didn't think it performed that well. Used the wand so perhaps a torch would be better. Maybe I'll hit it was the big kitchen torch I use with the QC. Oooo wait a minute... RWW needs a cap for the cxl!!!!

I think I'm dialed into the cxl too much, but i can't see using the super cap or the ceramo over it.

I'm curious to hear how it works with the CXL cooling insert

 

[zeebudz]

I'm wondering was the omission of an intercooler because the ceramo is intended to be used on a water pipe?

I love the cxl natively and I think it's a shame they didn't include any similar cooling solution for the ceramo. Maybe I should try it with the cooler from the clx, but I found it to be nowhere as enjoyable as the cxl.

How would you easily remove an intercooler from the Ceramo without first removing the screen?

Edit: haha, one with a mouthpiece. Just now saw someone do this with a TRWW pinner - tried it myself and it works great!

 

[TigoleBitties]

I think the idea was that making the stem out of insulative ceramic would provide similar cooling to the CXL's insulative ceramic insert. I think a big part of the difference may be that the Ceramo's stem is now wide open, while the CXL's insert is more restricted with its four smaller holes. I've never tried the CXL so I can't compare with experience. I still enjoyed it very much, and the regular cap was very tolerable, but I can see why people, including myself, may choose to use it on glass a lot of the time.

I feel the same way. I got my Ceramo yesterday and my early impressions fit yours. I'm still dialing it in with the Wand but I find it a better experience so far to use it as a WPA than a stem. Maybe that's because I've scorched the flower a couple of times and I prefer to make mistakes with better cooling than not.

I'd like to try it with some cooling beads inside the stem when I've dialed in things better. The flavor is definitely there and it feels like a premium product. My cap didn't need adjusting but I did hear the screeching noises while it's heating. Doesn't bother me.

 

[SlickHenry]

I've adjusted the Super Capacitor so that it sort of clicks into a place where the fins extend slightly past the widest point, and that has been tight enough to stay put so far. The regular XL cap can't go that far on mine because it bumps into the bottom screen of the heater first.

If you read the response from Camouflet above where I was asking this you do not want to push the SC cap so far down. It needs some headroom compared to the regular Camo cap.

After using both caps I find them too hot to use natively comfortably. Adding the Pinner helps but it does reduce the wide open airflow, which is the characteristic of the Ceramo, essentially making it a CXL. It makes me think that the CXL is the best for native use (I love the stock draw on this as can do MTL or DTL pulls) and the Ceramo is the better one through glass. IIRC they do recommend you remove the condenser of the CXL for best results if you are wanting to use in a water piece.The SC just allows you to get a OHE for both.

Personally I think the CXL is the better Convector and will be my most reached for as I prefer native use and it doesn’t have any of the minor niggles of the Ceramo, that are fixed with a little tinkering. It is hard to compare taste as, at least to me, the only way I could comfortably use the Ceramo natively was with the pinner, which puts a load of titanium cooling in the air path.