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Gregarious Misanthrope
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Remember, kids, even if it is legal in California does NOT mean the feds have to follow the state's rules.

Border Patrol Seizing Cash and Cannabis From Legal California Operators

Legal operators allegedly taking product and cash to labs to get it tested under state law pass through border checkpoint. Border patrol finds cash/cannabis and seizes it. Completely legal; no recourse. Hope you don't get charged federally.
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It might get more expensive to by indoor grown.
Proposed LED mandate could cost California’s indoor marijuana growers millions
Many California marijuana growers are up in arms over a recent proposal before the state Public Utilities Commission that would require all indoor cultivation operators to use only LED lights by 2023.

If implemented, the proposal could cost cannabis businesses hundreds of millions of dollars, the growers say.

The proposal is part of a lengthy report issued this month by the Codes and Standards Enhancement (CASE) Program. It would force indoor growers to transition away from lower-efficiency grow lights, such as metal halide or high-pressure sodium (HPS), which are favored by some indoor growers over costlier LEDs.

The report:
Codes and Standards Enhancement (CASE) Initiative2022 California Energy CodeControlled Environment Horticulture


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I'd use the phrase from Animal farm, but worry about how it would be interpreted.
Divide opens over L.A. cannabis social equity licenses, management contracts

Months of anger over prized marijuana social equity licenses in Los Angeles boiled over recently, when the California Minority Alliance (CMA) accused a Black cannabis executive and his company of exploiting other minorities through “predatory” business deals.

The CMA made the accusations against 4thMvmt in an email to the L.A. City Council and the Department of Cannabis Regulation.

4thMvmt, founded in 2018 to help applicants navigate L.A’s social equity program and fund their efforts, is headed by CEO Karim Webb, who is Black.

The dispute highlights just how competitive and vitriolic Los Angeles’ cannabis licensing has become, with applicants who share a history of discrimination finding fault with each other’s bids to obtain the coveted permits.

In its allegations, the California Minority Alliance charged that Webb and 4thMvmt “tried to take advantage of their social equity partners with predatory agreements.”...


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Plain view may not be probable cause for cannabis in CA.

From a former DA's write up (
People v. Johnson (June 15, 2020) __ Cal.App.5th __ [2020 Cal.App. LEXIS 533] Rule: The plain sight observation of a legal amount of marijuana, enclosed in a container not open at that time, even with the odor of marijuana emanating from the vehicle, fails provide the necessary probable cause to search for more marijuana. Proposition 64 and H&S § 11362.1(c) provide an adult person in lawful possession of less than ounce of marijuana protection from being detained, searched, or arrested.

Facts: Stockton Police Officers Aron Clark and William Hall were on patrol (in uniform and in a marked patrol car) when they observed defendant Dammar Darrell Johnson sitting in a parked car on the side of the road. Noting the absence of a valid vehicle registration tab, the officers decided to stop and check him out. Activating their emergency lights, Officer Clark got out of the patrol car as an agitated defendant got out of his. Defendant refused to return to his car despite being told to do so, demanding to know (as he “yelled” at the officers) why he had to get back into his car. When Officer Clark grabbed defendant’s arm to maintain control, defendant tensed up and pulled away. Defendant continued to pull away and yell at the officers, resulting in his arrest for resisting (i.e., P.C. § 148). Defendant was handcuffed and placed in the patrol car.
Finding the vehicle’s registration to be expired, the officers intended to do an inventory search in preparation for towing it (see Note, below). As Officer Clark approached the driver’s side door, he could smell the odor of marijuana emanating from the vehicle. After checking underneath the driver’s seat, the officer “went to the center console where (he) found a small bag,” of “possibly a couple of grams” of marijuana, “knotted at the top.” Believing he now had probable cause to search the entire vehicle for more marijuana, Officer Clark did so, finding a loaded pistol. Charged in state court with being a felon in possession of a firearm (among other charges), defendant’s motion to suppress the gun was denied. After pleading “no contest” to this charge, defendant appealed. Held: The Third Circuit Court of Appeal reversed. With the People failing to argue the possible applicability of an “inventory search” theory, or that the search of defendant’s vehicle was a valid “search incident to arrest” (see Note, below), the sole issue on appeal was whether, given what the officers knew at the time, they have sufficient probable cause to search defendant’s car? The magistrate at defendant’s preliminary examination as well as the Superior Court trial judge both ruled that they did. The Appellate Court disagreed. Under the so-called “automobile exception” to the search warrant requirement, “police who have probable cause to believe a lawfully stopped vehicle contains evidence of criminal activity or contraband may conduct a warrantless search of any area of the vehicle in which the evidence might be found.” The “totality of the circumstances” must be considered in determining whether such probable cause exists. On November 8, 2016, prior to defendant’s arrest, California’s voters passed the “Control, Regulate and Tax Adult Use of Marijuana Act of 2016,” also known as “Proposition 64.” Prop. 64 included the enactment of Health & Safety Code § 11362.1(a)(1), legalizing the possession of up to 28.5 grams (an ounce) of marijuana (aka; “cannabis”) by adults, 21 years of age or older. Subdivision (c) of Section 11362.1 provides marijuana users with protection from being detained, searched, or arrested, when all that is known is that the user has in his or her possession a legal amount of marijuana. Specifically: “Cannabis and cannabis products involved in any way with conduct deemed lawful by this section are not contraband nor subject to seizure, and no conduct deemed lawful by this section shall constitute the basis for detention, search, or arrest.” Thus the legal possession of marijuana is not to be considered when assessing whether “probable cause” exists. The People argued, however, that Section 11362.1(c)’s protection from detention, search, or arrest is inapplicable in this case because defendant was not in lawful possession of marijuana, having violated both H&S Code § 11362.3(a)(4) (operating a vehicle with an open container of marijuana), and/or Vehicle Code § 23222(b) (driving a vehicle with an unsecured container of marijuana). Although the record was not clear, the Court assumed for the sake of argument that defendant’s baggie of marijuana was both observed in plain sight (i.e., before any search of the car had been initiated) and “knotted” at the top. Based upon these assumptions, what Officer Clark knew at the time he initiated the search of defendant’s car that ultimately resulted in the recovery of the gun was that there was an odor of marijuana emanating from the vehicle and that under an ounce of marijuana was observed in plain sight. The People cited three pre-Prop. 64 cases, all indicating that possession of marijuana in under these circumstances was illegal. In People v. Strasburg (2007) 148 Cal.App.4th 1052, the odor of marijuana coming from defendant’s car—


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California Must Turn Over Marijuana Documents To DEA, Federal Court Rules

DEA initially asked for unredacted documents concerning three licensed cannabis distributors and people associated with the businesses last year. But when officials with the California Bureau of Cannabis Control didn’t turn them over, the federal agency issued the subpoena in January. The state declined to comply, prompting the feds to take the dispute to court.


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They must turn over the docs to the DEA. Would that be the same way that the president's tax returns 'shall' be turned over to congress when congress demands them?


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You can legally buy, possess and use cannabis in the City of San Francisco. But, you won't be able to smoke or vape it in public (under current law) OR in your apartment (if the building has more than three units). I don't think there is a public use option in that you can go to the cannabis club and use with others--at least during the pandemic. It seems like only the rich who have their own, separate, homes will be able to imbibe. Go Elon!

San Francisco Considers $1,000 Fines for People Smoking Tobacco or Cannabis in Their Apartments
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Wholesale marijuana, hemp oil prices fall nationwide amid growing supply of raw material​

Published November 13, 2020 | By Bart Schaneman

Chart showing a snapshot of wholesale marijuana oil prices per gram
Wholesale prices of marijuana and hemp oil have fallen from a year ago, according to industry executives, reflecting rising oil production nationwide that has more than offset an uptick in cannabis sales amid the coronavirus pandemic.

The drop in wholesale oil prices reflects multiple market factors working simultaneously – and sometimes at odds with one another.

Marijuana demand, for starters, rose after dozens of states declared MJ businesses essential and allowed them to stay open during the pandemic. Consumers stocked up and have continued to drive marijuana sales month-over-month.

In response, cultivators have been growing plentiful supplies of raw cannabis, from which oil is derived.

That, in turn, has put downward pressure on oil prices – despite robust demand for oil-derived products such as concentrates, edibles and vape pens.

Michelle Jun, head of sales at Green Mill Supercritical, a marijuana supercritical CO2 extraction equipment company based in Pittsburgh, said extracted products made from oil are taking up more and more market share.

“The demand for oil in general is increasing,” Jun said – though clearly not enough to offset the drop in prices.

Jun credits the increase in demand to a steady migration of consumers moving to concentrates and vape products to achieve more precise dosing when using cannabis for medicine and recreation.

Healthy supply

San Francisco-based Backbone, a supply chain-management software provider for marijuana and hemp producers, is seeing steady demand on the THC side for wholesale cannabis oil.

In California, a kilogram of cannabis distillate oil is selling for around $5,000 per kilogram, down from about $5,600-$6,000 per kilogram before the COVID-19 outbreak in the United States in March.

On the hemp-derived CBD side, THC-remediated crude oil is selling for less than $1,000 a kilogram in California, said Peter Huson, chief of operations at Backbone. Prior to the outbreak it sold for more than $1,000 a kilogram.

Hemp-derived CBD crude oil that still contains THC is selling for below $200 a kilogram, down from $400-$500 a kilogram before the coronavirus outbreak.

Huson attributes much of this increase in supply to marijuana being deemed an essential business when the pandemic first hit the United States.

“Cannabis is thriving right now,” he said.

Marijuana oil

Data from Confident Cannabis, a Palo Alto, California-based software company that tracks wholesale marijuana markets, shows the following average price for a combined category of cannabinoid isolate, distillate, full extract cannabis oil and vape oil:

  • California: $9 a gram.
  • Oregon: $5.64 a gram
James Granger, general manager of Denver-based Clear Colorado Group, a cannabis-extract maker with products in several states, said that a gram of marijuana distillate oil testing at 90% THC is selling in Colorado for around $7-$9 a gram.

That’s down from 2019, when a gram was selling for around $11-$12, he said.

The price can fluctuate depending on the season and how much outdoor-grown marijuana is on the market.

Marijuana distillate oil in Oregon is “much cheaper,” Granger added, selling for around $5 a gram.

The cheaper price reflects a glut of raw marijuana because of overproduction across the state, a situation that is beginning to take hold in Oklahoma.

Granger said medical marijuana distillate is selling for around $7-$9 a gram in Oklahoma, a market that is younger and less established than Oregon.

Like Oklahoma, prices in Arizona for MMJ distillate are around $7-$9 a gram, he said.

Hemp oil

Hemp-derived CBD oil has more of a national pricing structure, given that the crop is federally legal, unlike marijuana.

Shannon Kaygi, CEO and co-founder of Denver-based CBD-products company Eossi Beauty, breaks the oil segment into categories.

For example, hemp-derived CBD crude oil is selling for around $400-$500 per kilogram wholesale. The oil has a cannabinoid content of around 65% and includes fats and lipids and “looks like the stuff on the bottom of a lake,” according to Kaygi.

For all of the different categories of hemp-derived CBD oil, a kilogram would on average sell for about $1,000 more last year, Kaygi said.

More hemp farms are coming online all the time, producing more biomass and forcing down oil prices.

If the crude oil has gone through the decarboxylation and winterization process to activate the cannabinoids and remove the fats and lipids, the crude oil is selling for around $700-$1,000 wholesale.

For hemp-derived CBD full spectrum oil – which is around 80%-85% cannabinoid content and still contains THC – a kilogram sells for around $700-$1,500 wholesale.

Hemp-derived, broad-spectrum CBD oil is selling for $1,500-$2,500 a kilogram wholesale. The broad-spectrum oil has a range of cannabinoids beyond CBD, including CBG, CBN and others, but the THC has been removed.

The extra cannabinoids help to boost the price, according to Kaygi.

As it stands now, Kaygi’s not having any trouble finding wholesale oil, though she admitted that if she was making larger orders – say, a thousand kilograms at a time – it could be more difficult.


LOL they did not even want to show Illinois on the map... it would ruin their whole position about falling prices.


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They chose a bad image to use... they even talk about Oklahoma in the article but dont show it on the map.

Also they're only talking about falling wholesale prices, not necessarily retail, although they SHOULD go hand in hand...


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Industry reacts to California cannabis delivery lawsuit outcome: ‘It’s not a win’

Fresno County Superior Court Judge Rosemary McGuire’s order late Wednesday was twofold:
  • It upheld the state regulation that allows licensed marijuana delivery companies to offer services anywhere in the state.
  • It affirmed that cities and counties can forbid those operations, though enforcement of the bans is also up to the local governments.
“It’s not a loss, but it’s not a win for delivery,” said Zach Pitts, CEO of Los Angeles-based Ganja Goddess and a board member of the California Cannabis Couriers Association.
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