Busted!

[RUDE BOY]

... I'm sure her lawyer's advice will supersede yours, by the way.

I would darn sure hope so. I'm just a nameless faceless guy on the world-wide-web sharing my own opinion.

But if my lawyer told me to publish/post about my experience BEFORE i went to court I would reconsider retaining them any longer myself.

 

[gangababa]

Suggestion for a Car Trip Travel Bag

Pictured for educational purposes only. I neither condone nor commend the 'cops and robbers' game. However, they started it. All information is based upon the assumption of personal medicinal travel needs only.
A hard box with a Funk Fighter carbon lined odor fighter travel bag.
The Ascent bag can be "Fabreeze"d. The two white squares are shoe box desiccants* and the alcohol pads can be used to wipe anything one accesses and restores.
The solo fits nicely in the tea container with a decent friction-fitting lid and teabags inside.
The Tightvac can hold a Solo or the Ascent, solo stems, medicinal snap-cap(s), and the enclosing no-smell oven bag. These bags can be used liberally, as inside the travel bag (itself inside another bag); Use a bag also in the tea container.

Imagine a measured, less than 28 grams-total prepacked medicine chest. All of which has been prepared and is oven ready so the grinder or scissors stay home. All stored in cache tubes, one pictured leaning against the TightVac cap. You see also a waterproof match canister.
The tubes can comfortably hold about 3g each. That smallest-size mailing box can carry eight tubes, inside a zip-lock bag, inside a Kraft paper wrap, inside an oven bag (and no rattles). It will not fit in the hard case. Hide everything out of sight inside as many oven bags as you wish and keep an open bag of smelly rags used to wax the car nearby.

As the packaging progresses, use ISO liberally to wipe off the outside of every canister, tube, cap, etc. that has been touched. And important information: some states have harsher penalties for paraphernalia than for an ounce. Additionally, having eight prepacked travel tubes is almost guaranteed to be taken as "intent to distribute".

*These won't affect the medicine which is isolated. They may capture odor. Use liberally, but remember you don't want them to be in the open air because, if effective, they will smell.

 

[MinnBobber]

gangababa, thanks, nice suggestions.
One addition, the JyARZ containers are very air/odor/watertight so they can be used too. Like you said, wiped down exterior to eliminate any exterior odors.
Thanks again

 

[samantabha]

@RUDE BOY My lawyer had nothing to do with this. It's just me. If the police want to join FC and have so much time and energy to devote to prosecuting a mom with a squeaky clean record from another state who possesses NOTHING, well I guess ..we do live under a dictatorship. In which case, it's even more important that I speak out.

Further developments....I just spoke with my lawyer again about this. He was more concerned about FB posts than this site (I said very little on FB). He said it's highly unlikely that they would go this far to target me. But yes, @Gunky and @RUDE BOY he did advise that I not talk further. We will know the exact charges against me and my boyfriend next week so I'll be in a better position then to decide on my strategy.

THANKS TO EVERYONE (including Gunky and Rude Boy!). I really appreciate all the support. It's helped me immensely.

 

[CarolKing]

I was thinking the same thing that @RUDE BOY posted. You might be pushing your luck posting pics of yourself. You shouldn't have anything to hide but we're not living in a perfect world. I just don't want you to make a wrong move by identifying yourself and have it bite you in the ass.

I would be very careful until this is resolved. I hope it gets thrown out. You didn't say they could look through your car. I would think a court order should have been issued for them to search your car? I know nothing about the law. @LongIslandmom is a lawyer.

 

[samantabha]

@CarolKing, I got a PM from longislandmom. A very detailed post that I have yet to fully digest but that I'm deeply grateful for. Thank you for letting me know that she was available as a resource!
I have another question for everyone here. If the police can get a warrant to use FC posts as "evidence" for something, then how do people here cope with openly displaying all of their equipment, how they vape, what their political views are, etc? We are all under scrutiny if it's the world of Big Brother. And anyone could be "busted" at any time. I think it's an illusion that posting anonymously is ultimately going to protect you. I work in IT and if I know that IP addresses can be traced with fairly little difficulty. If they (the govt) wants to know something, they will surely find a way to do so. Of course handing them a freebie, like posting a pic of myself or my business badge, is probably making it too easy, but they'd already have to be gung-ho to look for me on this site and to use it.
Can prosecutors make cases "after the fact"? That is, they could pull up posts on FB, for example, where i share pro-marijuana literature or videos and use that to prove I'm a real druggie who deserves to go to jail? Same thing with a pic of a personal vaporizer on FC or pix of myself inhaling (haven't done that yet, but just saying) like so many do here. Now, if I actually WERE vaping, I'd be paranoid as hell and probably wouldn't have said one word here....ironic, isn't it?

 

[Gunky]

Many of us are in medical state situations where everything we are doing is ok by state and local regulations (and the federal government ignores small stuff).

The thing is these law enforcement types hang together and I am pretty certain some law enforcement types have been known to frequent these pages. Under these circs it is not wise to publish personal info about yourself and in particular the arresting officer. What if some LEO type reads it and looks that guy up? Not good for you.

In other words you've been through a bit of a shock, followed by relief, followed by aftershock. You went through various stages of reaction. Right now you are in this bravado phase and blabbing all over the internet. Don't!

 

[CarolKing]

@CarolKing, I got a PM from longislandmom. A very detailed post that I have yet to fully digest but that I'm deeply grateful for. Thank you for letting me know that she was available as a resource!
I have another question for everyone here. If the police can get a warrant to use FC posts as "evidence" for something, then how do people here cope with openly displaying all of their equipment, how they vape, what their political views are, etc? We are all under scrutiny if it's the world of Big Brother. And anyone could be "busted" at any time. I think it's an illusion that posting anonymously is ultimately going to protect you. I work in IT and if I know that IP addresses can be traced with fairly little difficulty. If they (the govt) wants to know something, they will surely find a way to do so. Of course handing them a freebie, like posting a pic of myself or my business badge, is probably making it too easy, but they'd already have to be gung-ho to look for me on this site and to use it.
Can prosecutors make cases "after the fact"? That is, they could pull up posts on FB, for example, where i share pro-marijuana literature or videos and use that to prove I'm a real druggie who deserves to go to jail? Same thing with a pic of a personal vaporizer on FC or pix of myself inhaling (haven't done that yet, but just saying) like so many do here. Now, if I actually WERE vaping, I'd be paranoid as hell and probably wouldn't have said one word here....ironic, isn't it?

That's why people aren't using their real names. They feel safe posting anonymously. I wouldn't want people from where I work to know about my private life. Most of the folks that I work with I wouldn't want them to know I'm using cannabis whether recreationally or medical. Even in the states where it's legal there is still a huge prejudice among some people. If I had a different job, I wouldn't care. I work in a conservative field.

 

[samantabha]

Agreed @Gunky. I was naive in posting much of my stuff. I am asking to remove a few things, though it won't matter much now I suppose. In my defense, the utter strangeness of the whole thing is what called out my vehement expression. I hardly ever do anything "wrong"! In fact, I only just recently (within this past 4 months or so) started using anything (it's literally been about a decade). It's helping me with neuropathic symptoms of MS and my creativity. I guess I can go without, though it kind of sucks. I'm thinking its the best way if I want to engage in more activism after the case is settled
I read the link you provided about the Wisconsin cash incident. It brought up this even odder thought: so if most of U.S. cash is contaminated with cocaine, do ANY of us have any reasonable defense ultimately?

 

[Gunky]

It's utterly crazy now and I agree with you totally, but you know, watch out for yourself. It's easy to think in the abstract about Thoreau or MLK going to jail and romanticizing it. The reality is not romantic. Your odds of being raped, beat up, harassed, etc go up astronomically when you go in there. Not to mention it stinks and the food is bad.

 

[samantabha]

Yeah, I don't need to live out the uglier side of "The Orange is the New Black"!

 

[poonman]

Maybe someone can clarify this for me .
But when the " United " states , abolished the prohibition of alcohol .
Didn't it allowed All the states to have alcohol ( or the majority ) ?

I guess my questions are ,
Why do some Americans have this right and Not others ?
and
What if it caused a large migration of citizens to the Legalized states
and left the Non-legalized states less populated ?

sam , come up to Toronto soon .
Hell , you could even run for Mayor in my city ...

 

[Gunky]

The whole ridiculous, stupid, racist, corrupt edifice is all about to fall down but in the meantime, insofar as legal prohibitions stay on the books, policing for profit will continue.

I believe Colorado has seen an influx of marijuana migrants in addition to pot tourism.

 

[samantabha]

Maybe someone can clarify this for me .
But when the " United " states , abolished the prohibition of alcohol .
Didn't it allowed All the states to have alcohol ( or the majority ) ?

I guess my questions are ,
Why do some Americans have this right and Not others ?
and
What if it caused a large migration of citizens to the Legalized states
and left the Non-legalized states less populated ?

sam , come up to Toronto soon .
Hell , you could even run for Mayor in my city ...

Poonman....you are setting the wheels turning in my head ! LOL. Isn't Matt Mernagh doing something along that order? He recently wrote a book about marijuana and is running I think.
On the population note, you should see all the new construction near Denver. They say business is booming there. It's sad to think that it's just business that could drive the ending of prohibition. But, hey, we'll take anything right?

 

[CarolKing]

It's going to take more states to vote to decriminalize cannabis or make it legal. I understand some voters do not get the right to get referendums on the ballot like Washington state. Maybe that is something that needs to change in your state.

I think folks are so busy raising families, working and trying to make a living to even think about changing the policies in their states. Sometimes we just don't have the energy.

If more states legalize cannabis the Feds won't have any choice but to change it on the books. It should be part of our constitutional right to use cannabis.

 

[samantabha]

On that note, @CarolKing, I've got to tell you about something I just saw last night in - of all places - my home state of Wisconsin and one of it's most used freeways - near downtown Milwaukee; an ENORMOUS billboard with marijuana leaves on it and the caption "Ask why patients in Wisconsin have no access to medical marijuana". There are two names of reps who are up for re-election underneath it. I'm shocked. There is a bill that was raised by a mom needing CBD oil for her child that I think has brought this issue to the fore. But dominoes are tumbling everywhere as public opinion changes.

personal update: looks like I may have made a "mountain out of molehill" after all.....we don't need a lawyer. We can go through the website, say we're out of state and can't make it to Nebraska, do the arrangements to pay the ticket and settle it. In other words: they just want their money.

 

[samantabha]

Sigh...there are some things you can't repress in a person, and for some (such as me), it's the need to write ('hope to reprint the deleted part 1 of my story and add installments next week - or at least in November).
So I'm going to throw myself out there again and recall publicly those last parting moments as the officer wrote me the ticket and I pleaded with him. "If you just make it legal you won't have to go through all this trouble". "But" he smiled "what would happen to my dog? He'd be out of job." I turned around to face Zeke. His black eyes shone through the bars and I noticed his tongue hanging out, the dog-nature sign of being pleased.
Seriously, how does a person argue with that?

 

[Mr. Gweilo 420]

That's why people aren't using their real names. They feel safe posting anonymously. I wouldn't want people from where I work to know about my private life. Most of the folks that I work with I wouldn't want them to know I'm using cannabis whether recreationally or medical. Even in the states where it's legal there is still a huge prejudice among some people. If I had a different job, I wouldn't care. I work in a conservative field.

Now wait a moment. You are not the famous singer?!?! Fuck Im careful about posting much, particularly photos and videos. You have to be smart imo and posting clear evidence of yourself committing a crime. I live deep inside the cannabis closet for good reason.

 

[samantabha]

Crime, what crime? It was a crime for blacks to sit in at the white counter in the diner. It was a crime for them to drink from the same water fountain. It's a crime for women in parts of the middle east to take the burka off. Do we all keep hiding under the burka and hope that just some day it'll all go away and stop being a "crime"? It's simply nonsensical to assert that never doing anything about anything is going to change anything. I'm willing to strategize here, to exercise some caution and to "pick my battles". And I have every respect for those who choose the hidden path, who advise me to likewise out of real concern. But I would be kidding myself to say I could stay there forever. For me that's not life. It's intellectual, moral, emotional - death.


FYI: For anyone in Wisconsin or vicinity: http://www.examiner.com/article/44t...rijuana-harvest-festival-this-weekend-madison

And here is a sudden poem flashing:

We who sit in silence
Sipping the sweet cannabis fruit
- in fact
Spend the credit

Of those who risked their necks to pick it

(please note that these words are simply an acknowledgment of "giving credit where credit is due". They're not meant to point any fingers. Whether one speaks up or not, we are forcing an uneasy alliance between doing what we want to do and knowing that we are not officially allowed to do what we want to do. And that, in itself, is already the hardship)

 

[Mr. Gweilo 420]

Well I prefer to live my life outside of prison. Honestly dont make a martyr out of yourself here, you may regret it.

I dont consider cannabis to be a drug, let alone a crime. Unfortunately, the legal system in my location disagrees with me.

 

[samantabha]

With all due respect, Mr. Gweilo, how am I "a martyr"? What am I dying for? This is hardly a courageous act. The police have issued me a ticket. And I will pay it.

As for regret, the worst regret will be when I come to the end of my life and realize that I never stood for anything.

 

[RUDE BOY]

With all due respect, Mr. Gweilo, how am I "a martyr"? What am I dying for? This is hardly a courageous act. The police have issued me a ticket. And I will pay it.

As for regret, the worst regret will be when I come to the end of my life and realize that I never stood for anything.

Some people here like Mr Gweilo live in places where getting caught with 3 ozs is gonna put you in prison doing hard hard labor for decades if not life. I actually live in the same country as you but in the state I live in 3 ozs will put me away for damn near the rest of my life, not quite just "Paying a Ticket" for us.

 

[MinnBobber]

"FYI: For anyone in Wisconsin or vicinity: http://www.examiner.com/article/44t...rijuana-harvest-festival-this-weekend-madison"

The sniffer dogs will certainly be out in force for that event, unfortunately

 

[Snappo]

A bull in the china shop approach will not further the cause. Thoughtful, careful, intelligent, and strategic action, will show our constituency to be well-reasoned and rational. As was so wisely stated in the movie "Contact", "small steps...".

 

[Gunky]

I hope that this turns out to be nothing more than a ticket and the loss of some meds. Even then, it does give pause for thought. Police thugs, by dint of profiling, stop and search with dogs, etc. have managed to ding the OP for what, probably a couple grand altogether, if not more. What was the crime? Who was the victim? What value did the police add here and who is being protected from what? How come these bastards are getting away with highway robbery like this? To the extent that we are interested in and involved in cannabis, it behooves us to become activists and start doing things that help bring this thing down. The model here is not Samson bringing the temple down on his own head, but rather strength in numbers: careful, methodical, incremental work by groups of people picking their struggles and living to fight another day.