Brexit - The Great British EU Dilema

[lwien]

They could if they want a full scale riot on their hands, which could be worse than the poll tax riots in the 90's!

But I guess that's what they have to weigh out, eh? Is Brexit worse for the country than full scale riots? I hear that there's quite a bit of buyers remorse going on in the UK which could really sway the governments action this.

 

[poonman]

Can Cameron un-resign ?
It sounds like a done deal to me . jmo

 

[lwien]

Can Cameron un-resign ?
It sounds like a done deal to me . jmo

If the government really does strike down Brexit, the pill may go down a bit easier without Cameron in the picture, eh?

I'm just speaking from the gut here being that I'm not really clued into British politics.

 

[1DMF]

@lwien Not sure how you can have buyers remorse for a product that has yet to be picked, let alone, packed, shipped and delivered.

@poonman I don't see why not, I've retracted my notice before after the Boss made me an offer to stay.

It's up to the party to decide, I understand why he resigned, he felt in his heart he couldn't represent us properly as he was in Bremain, and feels there needs to be a Tory in the Brexit camp representing the UK.

However, he's only PM because he's leader of the Tory party when the Tory party was put in power, it's a shame he is unable to represent his party any longer, as there are plenty of Tories who voted Brexit, so should they resign also?

I didn't vote Tory but I voted Brexit, whether it is Cameron or some other Wig leading the Tories through Brexit, it's still not a leader I voted for and makes no odds to me, I don't want Cameron to resign I want the Tories! - I'll have to wait another 4 years before I get that chance!

 

[lwien]

 

[1DMF]

awesome I love John Oliver, his show is hilarious!

I think this statistic is rather interesting...

1974 No. votes to join EU : 17,378,581
2016 No. votes to leave EU : 17,410,742

 

[Rebelistic]

I think they should give some extra time to allow anyone who hasn't redistered/voted an extra chance. Likely quite a few didn't vote thinking it was likely we'd remain. I think it should never have been voted on in the first place as it's not something most people know much about. Thanks to our right wing press, there is a lot of ignorance in Britain.
I doubt we'll see a single penny of that 350m.

 

[wunderkind]

Wow that is tin foil hat territory? Though I'm ruling nothing out,

Not tinfoil at all. In February of 2015, Isis threatened to flood Europe with refugees and hide their members among them. In August of 2015, Angela Merkel threw the door wide open for them.

 

[peterpiper]

Thank you
People almost seem afraid to acknowledge it
It just seemed so staged/planed to me

 

[phattpiggie]

Just watching Corbyn live and he's got the right attitude. Lets hope he can keep it together and make a difference. I normally stay well away from politics but it's looking a bit more interesting after the speech I just saw.

 

[ReggieB]

Yes, this is a dark side to the voting for sure, but that doesn't mean there aren't racists that voted to stay! Either way they are a small minority that do not speak for either camp.

This isn't America, you don't vote for individuals, you vote for party policies, the leader of the party is irrelevant, that's for members of the party to decide, not the electorate? If you voted Tory, the Tories are still in and will be for another 4 years (unless they choose to call a general election early).

If anyone is voting for the leader of a party instead of what the party stands for and the policies of that party, they have misunderstood the UK voting system.

Does it matter which generation were the millions upon millions that died in the two world wars so we could be sitting here having this discussion? Never forget history if you never want it to be repeated.

The trouble is, the racism isn't a small minority, considering the amount of blatant racism that's ongoing it appears the referendum result has emboldened them.

You vote for an individual that is part of a party with the leader and their policies known before the vote commences, I definitely understand the voting system, we had a referendum, not an election.

And lastly, yes it does matter which group fought the 2nd world war when I'm told to respect 'older' people because they fought that war for us, no one under the age of 87 fought in that war, therefore they don't deserve any respect for it because they weren't involved. Credit where it's due but not where it isn't. As for not forgetting the 2nd world war, I'm not, I am fearful of how the rise of right wing politics took hold and the racism, anti-semetism and terror that followed might just be happening again.

 

[Mirimi]

I think the Brexit is a terrible idea. But revoting or cancelling the vote is an even worse one.
Europe is a bit like the US right now: living through a crisis of trust in politics. And it's justified! I'm not sure whether our politicians are worse than before, but in the days of the internet thzy can't keep covering their scandals, lies and generally terrible character. That's why voter turnout is at an all-time low and far-right vote at an all-time high. There are other factors too, unenmployment, "visible" immigration, and especially the non-transparent politics of the UE have their responsibility. But this will send a horrible message to the people that democracy is dead and may have dire consequences for the country. And it's also a very dangerous precedent. (Actually, not really a precedent, in France the government overturned a referendum about the European Constitution proposal, but the magnitude of the decision was really not that important).

About the whole "taking your sovereignty back": I understand the sentiment. I think it's an illusion in our globalized world. Lobbies and finance are the ones we should be worried about in the great power balance. With the liberal economics and the power the City holds in the British economy, I have a feeling it will be even worse, and that a lot of Brussels regulations reduced the plight of poorer people. (while not helping with some really stupid laws such as detached workers).

About the free-trade treaties: why would you think the UK on its own, showcasing the world its great division and political chaos, would have a greater influence than 27 countries? It might be easier, but not better.

 

[Stevenski]

I'm Scots and have the same attitude as yourself @Stevenski.
The English show support for Scotland when it's down to sports but be fukd if the Scots support England.

Thats how you have "British" Andy Murray when he wins & "Scottish" Andy Murray when he loses. Still chuckling over the English Euro exit this morning .

I think they should give some extra time to allow anyone who hasn't redistered/voted an extra chance. Likely quite a few didn't vote thinking it was likely we'd remain. I think it should never have been voted on in the first place as it's not something most people know much about. Thanks to our right wing press, there is a lot of ignorance in Britain.
I doubt we'll see a single penny of that 350m.

There was saturation coverage of the vote through every form of media so if some one failed to vote that is their tough shit & certainly a conscious decision. The fact that people are too fucking lazy to bother voting is telling. Why should they get a 2nd crack? Because the vote went the way the majority of people who bothered to vote wanted?

 

[1DMF]

It saddens me to see the rise in hatred and racism and the bias the BBC has towards the remain camp.

Last night they had an article where they asked average Joe their opinion of Brexit. They then interviewed a Neo-Nazi with 'England' tattooed on his neck and a swastika on his arm.

This is not a balanced view, they do not represent Brexit, Neo-Nazi's should never be given a voice and certainly not by the BBC on national TV as a voice of Britain.

It's disgraceful, they are a minority and the BBC should be ashamed of itself. These people have no place in England and do not represent anyone I know.

 

[VegNVape]

This is an interesting thread. But without quoting anyone in particular I must say that I feel pretty insulted, disrespected and patronized by some of the comments that have been made by my FC peers. People here talk about things such as racisim & then themselves display other forms of hatred, as well as blatant stereotyping.

I was shown this Facebook piece (urgh - I do not do FB!) recently, written by an ex-armed forces, vehicle specialist & retired HGV driver by the name of Phil Larry Lamb . . .
"For those young voters whining about the referendum and us 'OLD people' Remember this. I like many of my peers joined up in the early 70s and served this country helping to keep your parents safe from terrorist attacks from the Provisional IRA among others. WE Drove coal trucks during the Miners Strike to ensure heating and power for hospitals. , WE in 1980 spent our Xmass living in and driving 20 tonne trucks delivering road salt up and down the country and rescueing your families from the snow drifts they were stranded in. We drove the Firetrucks to help keep your families safe during the Firemans strike, WE drove the Ambulances up and down the country during the Ambulance strike. When the Snow thawed in 1980 WE spent our time rescueing your families from the Floods including livestock, add to that as I have been reminded, the servicemen and women who helped in the Glasgow Dustmans strike and those who stood duty in the Prisons during the Prison officers strike. It might also be told in face of ALL these Actions NOT once have you or WILL you hear of a strike by the Brave Men and Women whom CHOSE to enlist in our Armed Forces, no matter WHAT they have and are asked to do for this Country, THEY Have never refused to aid, protect and help those they have sworn an oath to. THAT is you ingrates included.
So in answer to your comments on us Old people voting out, we did so because it is democratic and because frankly WE EARNED THE RIGHT. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO EARN SAME apart from whinge and moan like babies because you didn't get what you want. GROW UP, you want to be treated as adults THEN DAMN WELL ACT LIKE ADULTS."

And there are people just like him working just as hard, right now.

In or out, accept what your democratic society has chosen.

Get a grip people.

Be well.

 

[VapourHaze]

Genuinely shocked at some peoples views here. How can any progressive open minded person vote leave? This is a cannabis forum i assumed everyone would be open minded able to think for themselves and not be so easily blinded by propaganga hate and media bias. Cannabis makes it so much easier to see through the lies.

We (the people) are stronger together, creating divisions only fuels more hatred and segregation. We took a huge step backwards.

BTW re the neo nazi ... not all brexiters are racists but all racists are brexiters.

 

[1DMF]

I'd triple 'like' you if i could @VegNVape , there seems to be a serious issue at the moment, where people think voting out was the same as saying 'I hate you France , Germany, Italy, Spain... etc..', I'm a racist fascist and say fuck you Europe.

err. no, we said fuck you to the EU bureaucrats and the EU machine that is taking what was meant to be a trade agreement between sovereign nations and a peace treaty and tried to implement a federal Europe.

Something no-one in the 70's signed up to and something Britain now wants out of.

Spain, France, Belgium, Italy, Greece, Germany, Holland... All 28 countries , we love you, we are your friends, we want to continue to embrace your cultures, take the piss out of your accents, eat your food, visit your country, marvel at your monuments and history and be a part of your lives, we want you to come visit us, take the piss out of our accents and eccentricities, this has not changed.

I may have voted out, but my son is still genetically half Polish, who we will be taking to Athens as soon as he is old enough to go thank the wonderful people at the clinic that helped us have him.

Not sure how any one can consider that narrow minded?

 

[VegNVape]

How can any progressive open minded person vote leave?

Oh my, can anyone else see the irony in this statement?!!

 

[VapourHaze]

Oh my, can anyone else see the irony in this statement?!!

Not really. How is voting leave a progressive step. More like back into the darkages.

Brexit was fueled by lies and hatred not very progressive to me.

 

[VegNVape]

More like back into the darkages.

That sounds like propaganda to me.

 

[VapourHaze]

Tell me @VegNVape @1DMF and @kellya86 exactly why you guys voted leave? Im genuinely curious? I would like to know the real reasons behind your votes.


Edit 'that sounds like propaganda to me"

Like the 350 million were gonna give to the NHS?

 

[VegNVape]

Er, who said I voted leave?

Not I.

I vote for democracy and I just relay what I feel, and I see irony on both sides.

But anyway, I think that if you have any hope for a response to your question, and for people to divulge thier opinions to you, you should perhaps start off by telling us all your exact reasons as to why you voted to remain?

 

[VapourHaze]

Er, who said I voted leave?

Not I.

I vote for democracy and I just relay what I feel, and I see irony on both sides.

But anyway, I think that if you have any hope for a response to your question, and for people to divulge thier opinions to you, you should perhaps start off by telling us all your exact reasons as to why you voted to remain?

Im glad you didnt vote leave

My answer is very simple.. there was no good reason to vote leave. I dont support the views of Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson.

 

[VegNVape]

Edit 'that sounds like propaganda to me"

Like the 350 million were gonna give to the NHS?

C'mon dude, I hate to be pedantic but I don't think they actually definitely said that they would give that money to the NHS - but it was worded very cleverly. And I'm not saying that I think it's at all right in anyway, but it's not really comparable to saying that a Brexit will be like going back to the dark ages! Seriously. That is scaremongering, and the Remain campaign were guilty of similar tactics - George Osborne threatened an emergency budget if we left the E.U. This has not happened.

There is distrust on both sides imo, and both campaigns were dirrrty. As always.

My answer is very simple.. there was no good reason to vote leave. I dont support the views of Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson.

So you're a David Cameron & George Osborne supporter then?

I really don't think it's as clean cut as that. If only.


OneLove.
ManyViews.
PeaceAll.

 

[1DMF]

Who on earth in their right mind thought that even if the BS numbers on the side of a propaganda bus was right (we all know that after the rebate the figure was nearer 150m-200m) that the amount in its entirety was going on one single part of the UK sector?

What about schools, what about housing, what about the poor and disabled, what about protecting our borders.. there is a big list of things we should be spending this money on and you had to be narrow minded and short sighted if you believed a slogan on a bus - honestly - I take offense that anyone thought I was that stupid!

@VapourHaze I've already clearly stated my reasons. I want control of our borders as we are a small island that has specific beliefs in a FREE NHS, FREE Social Security, FREE Education, for ALL regardless of ethnicity, education, monetary status.

The UK also believes in sovereignty, and democracy where the rules that govern us are made by us. We cannot maintain this while continuing to be ever integrated into a federal Europe.

OK, perhaps I'm wrong, but this is what I believe and I excersized my democratic right to express this view and judging by the results, I'm not alone.

If you want to give up sovereignty and become part of a federal Europe that's a view you are entitled to that I don't agree with. Next you'll be thinking I want Boris as PM when I didn't even vote Tory!

And just because I voted UKIP the last time doesn't mean I want Farage as PM either, in fact now that the reason I voted UKIP has come to pass, I am currently in a dilemma as to who I would vote for at the next general election. Who ever has 'legalise cannabis' as a policy probably

Remember you vote for parties and policies not individuals.