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Strakinpak

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Just Justin said:
This is insane. Just ordered my tera from PuffItUp and supposed to arrive tomorrow. Just got an email from PuffItUp asking if I'd like to return my Tera, my 2nd Tera, because of the concern of the teflon....! I'm just amazed that this can happen Twice and you would think that BNDLS would be extra careful this to around to get it w but but this new material can't even handle the heat of their device! Do they manufacture these things, send them out and then research the materials? I would love to know how this happened!? I really don't want to send my 2nd Tera in and if I have to, I'm done with BNDLS. I don't plan to use concentrates or use it above 450f, so maybe it's ok!!!?? One thing is the temp of the actual heater core is probably much hotter than the set temp, so I'd like to know exactly what temp the core is when I've got my tera set to 375f or whatever, so I know the Teflon isn't reaching that maximum temp it can handle. What's the deal? Is this crazy or is it just me?
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Part of it probably has to do with VAS and people being tired of waiting, just wanting to have the vape they bought.
 
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dannydroid

Google Nazi
I honestly think Boundless have good intentions, but I think someone's given them far from sound advice on a few things (I don't know why they don't crowed source decisions here before hand tbh though).

Mistakes happen, they are users of their own products, so it's unlikely its them being malicious.

I, for one, love my CFX (some issues pending, but that's a private matter for the time being), and honestly, I've still got my eye on a Tera (if they remove the PTFE, or it's shown to be safe at high temperature), because they're damn good products for the price, and they work really damn well.
 
Fat Freddy

Fat Freddy

FUCK CANCER TOO !
"Good Mechanical Properties (SOURCE)

Teflon™ AF exhibits excellent mechanical and physical properties at end-use temperatures up to 300°C (572°F). Figure 6 shows the dynamic modulus of Teflon ™ AF over a significant temperature range of possible exposure conditions. Teflon ™ AF also demonstrates good dimensional stability, reduced mold shrinkage, a smooth surface, and rigidity at high-use temperatures. These characteristics, coupled with machinability and processing versatility, make Teflon™ AF an excellent candidate for specialized chemical and industrial applications."

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RobTheThrone

RobTheThrone

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Fat Freddy said:
"Good Mechanical Properties (SOURCE)

Teflon™ AF exhibits excellent mechanical and physical properties at end-use temperatures up to 300°C (572°F). Figure 6 shows the dynamic modulus of Teflon ™ AF over a significant temperature range of possible exposure conditions. Teflon ™ AF also demonstrates good dimensional stability, reduced mold shrinkage, a smooth surface, and rigidity at high-use temperatures. These characteristics, coupled with machinability and processing versatility, make Teflon™ AF an excellent candidate for specialized chemical and industrial applications."

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I wouldn't trust it for inhalation purposes. There's studies showing Teflon coated pans off gassing and killing birds as low as 396F.

https://www.ewg.org/research/canaries-kitchen/teflon-offgas-studies#.WtdiiMpMF-E
 
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dannydroid

Google Nazi
There appears to be a difference between Teflon (PTFE) and Teflon AP.

We've got second hand information from PIU that its AP, but still waiting on confirmation from Boundless.

See here for more information AND discussion.
 
dannydroid,
Boundless Vape Technology

Boundless Vape Technology

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Manufacturer
Hey everyone,


First off I would like to apologize for the delay in posting. I wanted to clarify with our team and colleagues before moving forward with a statement. Boundless is well aware of the concern of the material used in the heating element and I hope to clarify more with this post.

I mistakenly stated the grade of Teflon used around the heating element. The Teflon used is not Teflon PTFE but Teflon AF 2600 polymer. Teflon PTFE is the most commonly used form of Teflon and found on cookware. Teflon PTFE is advised to not be used at temperatures above 500F.

Teflon AF is a much more stable polymer with a maximum advised usage temperature of 680F, “The polymer begins to decompose above 360 °C (680 °F).” Here is information regarding the Teflon AF resin:

https://www.chemours.com/Teflon_Ind...wnloads/teflon-af-safety-handling-and-use.pdf

https://www.chemours.com/Teflon_Industrial/en_US/assets/downloads/teflon-af-processing-and-use.pdf


Note that this MSDS is for the raw resin material used. This resin is then cured and polymerized to form the buffer material of Teflon AF that is used in the Tera. During this curing process, the hazardous materials that may be harmful at room temperature are burned off and cured during polymerization.

The material is used as a buffer between the ceramic rod and stainless steel spiral. Essentially it is a shock absorber and insulator that keeps the ceramic rod and stainless steel spiral from touching each other and malfunctioning. This is critical to keeping the unit functioning properly when dropped or heavily mismanaged. Our engineers have been working on a solution to where no material will be needed around the ceramic heating rod since the concerns of the material were brought up.

Boundless believes in the safety of the material in question. We also care about the communities concerns and will be removing it completely in future production runs. Our pre-order units have arrived and will be shipping out today. If you have any concerns please feel free to let me know and we can proceed with a refund.

I hope everyone has a wonderful 4/20 and feel free to email me with any questions - Eric@bndlstech.com.
Thank you @stickstones @PuffItUp @PlanetOfTheVapes and @ohmygodimsohigh (420vapezone) for working with us to get answers out.
 
ParanoidAndroid998

ParanoidAndroid998

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Boundless Vape Technology said:
Hey everyone,


First off I would like to apologize for the delay in posting. I wanted to clarify with our team and colleagues before moving forward with a statement. Boundless is well aware of the concern of the material used in the heating element and I hope to clarify more with this post.

I mistakenly stated the grade of Teflon used around the heating element. The Teflon used is not Teflon PTFE but Teflon AF 2600 polymer. Teflon PTFE is the most commonly used form of Teflon and found on cookware. Teflon PTFE is advised to not be used at temperatures above 500F.

Teflon AF is a much more stable polymer with a maximum advised usage temperature of 680F, “The polymer begins to decompose above 360 °C (680 °F).” Here is information regarding the Teflon AF resin:

https://www.chemours.com/Teflon_Ind...wnloads/teflon-af-safety-handling-and-use.pdf

https://www.chemours.com/Teflon_Industrial/en_US/assets/downloads/teflon-af-processing-and-use.pdf


Note that this MSDS is for the raw resin material used. This resin is then cured and polymerized to form the buffer material of Teflon AF that is used in the Tera. During this curing process, the hazardous materials that may be harmful at room temperature are burned off and cured during polymerization.

The material is used as a buffer between the ceramic rod and stainless steel spiral. Essentially it is a shock absorber and insulator that keeps the ceramic rod and stainless steel spiral from touching each other and malfunctioning. This is critical to keeping the unit functioning properly when dropped or heavily mismanaged. Our engineers have been working on a solution to where no material will be needed around the ceramic heating rod since the concerns of the material were brought up.

Boundless believes in the safety of the material in question. We also care about the communities concerns and will be removing it completely in future production runs. Our pre-order units have arrived and will be shipping out today. If you have any concerns please feel free to let me know and we can proceed with a refund.

I hope everyone has a wonderful 4/20 and feel free to email me with any questions - Eric@bndlstech.com.
Thank you @stickstones @PuffItUp @PlanetOfTheVapes and @ohmygodimsohigh (420vapezone) for working with us to get answers out.
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Thanks for the statement! Just a bit confused.. Are you saying the material is safe but you'll still be taking it out of future Tera production units?..
 
Boundless Vape Technology

Boundless Vape Technology

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Manufacturer
WAM90 said:
Thanks for the statement! Just a bit confused.. Are you saying the material is safe but you'll still be taking it out of future Tera production units?..
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Yes, that is correct. We believe in the safety of the material used and will move forward with removing it with future units to eliminate any concerns at all.
 
Fat Freddy

Fat Freddy

FUCK CANCER TOO !
@Boundless Vape Technology what do you mean when you refer to "Teflon AF 2600"?

And can you please point us to your source regarding your statement below?

"Note that this MSDS is for the raw resin material used. This resin is then cured and polymerized to form the buffer material of Teflon AF that is used in the Tera. During this curing process, the hazardous materials that may be harmful at room temperature are burned off and cured during polymerization."

TIA

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Just Justin

Just Justin

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Orange Vanilla Milano never tasted so good...344f and the vapor tastes great to the end. Definitely clouds not dense but still huge and potent. Definitely glad to have the Tera beast back! Not sure how I feel about the teflon, its safe but BNDLS is removing it from future units, not exactly reassuring but they say it's safe. Hope so, I don't wAnt to send it back again. I wish they just had removed it in this batch
 
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Shortiture

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I received my package in the mail today to discover the Tera that I ordered was the recalled model. I hope I can get this resolved quickly one way or another
 
Shortiture,
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