Big business coming to the cannabis industry

[Philreal187]

Let our voices be heard!!

Cannakorp© has a message option on the site express your concerns. I just sent them a message dislikes for products like Keurig and how this is a mmj device so huge profits should not be the goal. I don't believe in profits from people in NEED. This does not help but only makes more problems. Tell these companies how you feel and what u would spend money on, maybe they will understand this mmj market is different.

 

[Joel W.]

I don't think I would vape anything from a sealed container without inspecting it first.

 

[Philreal187]

Surprisingly got a very quick reply...

I say we elect @herbivore21 to get to the bottom

(Haha just thinking he is probably the most articulate and knowledgeable)

Anyways I encourage everyone to voice their opinions!!!

 

[1DMF]

Beer cans and milk cartons are also recyclable, but they still end up in the trash!

I don't think I would vape anything from a sealed container without inspecting it first.

Does the container get heated, is it involved in the air path, what's it made from...

You know the list of concerns grows with every thought!

The idea of putting my herb in some kind of wrapper / container before it goes into the device, is 100% off putting. I don't even like to use the glass jars in my Da Vinci Ascent because they have rubber lids!

100% not my cup of tea

 

[mikeben]

Beer cans and milk cartons are also recyclable, but they still end up in the trash!

Does the container get heated, is it involved in the air path, what's it made from...

You know the list of concerns grows with every thought!

The idea of putting my herb in some kind of wrapper / container before it goes into the device, is 100% off putting. I don't even like to use the glass jars in my Da Vinci Ascent because they have rubber lids!

100% not my cup of tea

You ask some good questions there. While I myself have no problem using things designed for vaporizer use by a quality vaporizer company or accessory maker, in this case I do wonder what kind of chemicals are being used to hold the herb. Your air path and container heat questions are actually essential information that we need answers about soon.

 

[stressed]

.04 of a gram for $9.99.


i like to grab a bud, grind it, smell it, load it into a bowl and watch it fill a bag with vapory goodness.

this device is not something i would be interested in but a casual user, yuppie type might dig it.

 

[nondarb]

So, two former executives from Keurig are making a vaporizer called the CannaCloud. It will use "pods" like Keurg.

I doubt it will do well with anyone but a small minority of MMJ patients (for easy dosing) considering most of us love finger fucking and examining our buds before it ever makes it to the grinder!

In regard to big business coming to the industry it was simply inevitable. I just hope the industry doesn't become as convoluted as alcohol and tobacco. The idea of 2-3 giant corporations controlling ~95%+/- of the product out there (as they do in alcohol and tobacco) is disturbing.. However I feel the bulk of the existing smokers would continue to shop local "craft" style venders, but its not the existing smokers they are after.

 

[ReggieB]

or worse, the coffee industry, over charged for 'speciality' (read flavour) or freeze dried instant....

 

[mikeben]

I doubt it will do well with anyone but a small minority of MMJ patients (for easy dosing) considering most of us love finger fucking and examining our buds before it ever makes it to the grinder!

In regard to big business coming to the industry it was simply inevitable. I just hope the industry doesn't become as convoluted as alcohol and tobacco. The idea of 2-3 giant corporations controlling ~95%+/- of the product out there (as they do in alcohol and tobacco) is disturbing.. However I feel the bulk of the existing smokers would continue to shop local "craft" style venders, but its not the existing smokers they are after.

Well they can have their canna mate crap and we can legally vape the good stuff. If it's a means to a very good end for us here, I could care less if some pretentious aunties think this is great.

 

[Petro]

Might be against the grain here but IMO the more big business is interested in cannabis the better. Quicker legalisation if major corporations really get behind it and better technological advances in vaping for sure. I can't really see a downside - I imagine it like the beer market, you can have your Coors and Budweiser and still have craft beers for the more discerning or enthusiast market.

And on that new capsule vape, good on them. Just because it's expensive doesn't mean it's blasphemous to the cannabis community or anything. Dont go hating on them just because it is out of your price range - if you're hung up on price then you probably aren't in their target market. Lamborghini owners don't stress over the cost of brake pads if you catch my drift.

 

[Gregori]

The downside I can see : if legalisation is limited to big business and/or state productors. Then you can't be an autoproducer of your cannabis. That would be a bad legalisation.

(Sorry, I'm not a native speaker)

 

[phattpiggie]

I'm really not a big fan of Big Business. I'm also not a Fanboy and ever since I can remember I cut labels of clothing etc.
I do however fully understand that Medical use has to be distanced from Recreational use.
These days not everyone wants to be a Stoner.
People using for medicinal purposes may know nothing of the 'ritual' we all know and love. They may also have only come across 'bad press' and Stoners.
@herbivore21 the only way I can see any consistency is for the whole plant/crop of a strain to be processed in one go. If all parts are thoroughly mixed then a sample would give a fairly good idea of chemical make-up and a better average.
Looking at the site the Cannakorp set up seems very professional and if you were none the wiser it could be anything. The 'pods' distance the user from the Stoner side of things. A lot of people don't actually like the smell, Mrs. PP for one, so a 'sterile' pod of medicine would appeal.

However for me this is the bit that I really don't like.
From their Partner page
CannaKorp 'has developed a set of technologies that will revolutionize the way that medical cannabis is cultivated, packaged, sold, and used.'
From their Investor page
'focusing on the medical marijuana market, which is currently estimated at over $8 billion in North America alone'

You can see exactly where they are going and for why.
The Cannabis Industry will be Monsanto/Cococolarized before you know it.
We all know how trustworthy these kinds of companies are when it comes to public health.
Due to it's illegality the world of weed was always corrupt and only now, from my Euro standpoint, can we see it going thru a well needed change. Giving money back earned thru the sales of MMJ would have been laughable a few years ago.
Big business will bring that corruption and greed back with even more force.
Sterile seeds and 'efficient growth' techniques all in the name of money.

If I were in the States I would employ the 'farmers market' ethos. Buy from people who look like they give a flying fuk and are more than happy to discuss the ins and outs of their product.

 

[ReggieB]

Might be against the grain here but IMO the more big business is interested in cannabis the better. Quicker legalisation if major corporations really get behind it and better technological advances in vaping for sure. I can't really see a downside - I imagine it like the beer market, you can have your Coors and Budweiser and still have craft beers for the more discerning or enthusiast market.

And on that new capsule vape, good on them. Just because it's expensive doesn't mean it's blasphemous to the cannabis community or anything. Dont go hating on them just because it is out of your price range - if you're hung up on price then you probably aren't in their target market. Lamborghini owners don't stress over the cost of brake pads if you catch my drift.

Out of your price range? you're having a laugh, surely? It's not a question of cost, the market is currently capable of sustaining $1000 glassware, a cappucino vape won't even touch the sides on cost. Most of us are genuinely worried about the influence of the bad side of big business in this.

 

[nondarb]

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Never fear, willies on our side!

 

[ReggieB]

That's an interesting read @nondarb I don't follow willie nelson at all but it's good to see what he's been doing for the food farmers, it'll be good to see what he can do for growers now.

 

[KimDracula]

I'm really not a big fan of Big Business. I'm also not a Fanboy and ever since I can remember I cut labels of clothing etc.
I do however fully understand that Medical use has to be distanced from Recreational use.
These days not everyone wants to be a Stoner.
People using for medicinal purposes may know nothing of the 'ritual' we all know and love. They may also have only come across 'bad press' and Stoners.
@herbivore21 the only way I can see any consistency is for the whole plant/crop of a strain to be processed in one go. If all parts are thoroughly mixed then a sample would give a fairly good idea of chemical make-up and a better average.
Looking at the site the Cannakorp set up seems very professional and if you were none the wiser it could be anything. The 'pods' distance the user from the Stoner side of things. A lot of people don't actually like the smell, Mrs. PP for one, so a 'sterile' pod of medicine would appeal.

However for me this is the bit that I really don't like.
From their Partner page
CannaKorp 'has developed a set of technologies that will revolutionize the way that medical cannabis is cultivated, packaged, sold, and used.'
From their Investor page
'focusing on the medical marijuana market, which is currently estimated at over $8 billion in North America alone'

You can see exactly where they are going and for why.
The Cannabis Industry will be Monsanto/Cococolarized before you know it.
We all know how trustworthy these kinds of companies are when it comes to public health.
Due to it's illegality the world of weed was always corrupt and only now, from my Euro standpoint, can we see it going thru a well needed change. Giving money back earned thru the sales of MMJ would have been laughable a few years ago.
Big business will bring that corruption and greed back with even more force.
Sterile seeds and 'efficient growth' techniques all in the name of money.

If I were in the States I would employ the 'farmers market' ethos. Buy from people who look like they give a flying fuk and are more than happy to discuss the ins and outs of their product.

It's good to be wary of corporations who seek to control the market they are in and/or seek to screw the consumer another way, but the advent of some bigger players in the cannabis industry will not inevitably lead to some dystopian future. This is the kind of rhetoric prohibitionists like to push, trying to claim that legalization will lead to something akin to "Big Tobacco" (as big a bad as Monsanto). We simply need to keep fighting for home grows, dispensaries, and make sure that big players don't get involved in crafting policy that somehow closes off the free marketplace we want (some will think Ohio Issue 3 here, which was defeated because it kind of sounded like a monopoly).

On the other hand, I completely support your final thought which is basically to support local people who care and who know. We will all benefit from many small operations and maybe just a few bigger corporate options for those who aren't really part of the subculture.

Good luck with legalization efforts in the UK in the future.

 

[phattpiggie]

@KimDracula I took a lovely walk around London 28th March 1998 and nothing changed then and I really don't see it changing much in the near future. We can only hope
Lets hope that some of the cannabis community spirit will rub off on others and keep the people who spend their hard earned spending it the right places.
I don't think legalization will taint the situation but corporate greed could. No one will stop it happening.

 

[woolspinner]

The downside I can see : if legalisation is limited to big business and/or state productors. Then you can't be an autoproducer of your cannabis. That would be a bad legalisation.

(Sorry, I'm not a native speaker)

Agree.

Unlike brewing beer, cultivating and roasting beans, or growing and processing tobacco, cannabis growing and processing is within most people's reach in terms of skill and technology needed. If we can preserve the ability to grow our own, at least we can keep a diversity of strains alive and keep unnecessary pest/herbicides out of our cannabis on a small scale.

 

[Tommy10]

Can't be a bad thing, for all the bad things about big business, most of us use their products and services daily and those we don't like we don't use? If enough don't like the practises of a company they will go else where. At least that's how I always thought a free market worked.

 

[howie105]

Can't be a bad thing, for all the bad things about big business, most of us use their products and services daily and those we don't like we don't use? If enough don't like the practises of a company they will go else where. At least that's how I always thought a free market worked.

Can't be a bad thing, for all the bad things about big business, most of us use their products and services daily and those we don't like we don't use? If enough don't like the practises of a company they will go else where. At least that's how I always thought a free market worked.

Its not a free market. If it were we would not need pot legalization, at best its a regulated market but I suspect that describing it as a corporate owned market is more to the point.

 

[Tommy10]

Yea 100%. Obviously the idea of pot needing "legalisation" is offensive to all free humans. It is a somewhat free market i should have said, survival of the fittest. Here in Australia we have one of the biggest duopolies right across the majority of the retail sector. Many complain, and it does have its pros and cons but it functions well and there is competition.
As far as I know it's one of the biggest in terms of % of market share, even when compared to US retail giants like Wal-mart and star bucks. Woolworths and Coles both own giant stakes in, groceries, alcohol, hardware, department stores, fuel and other things. If weed were every recreationally legalised I have no doubt they will be the two selling the most.

http://www.skynews.com.au/business/...oles-lifts-1q-food-and-liquor-sales-4-7-.html

That is just about the groceries and alcohol. The two of them combined own most of our hareware stores, fuel stations our versions of k mart/target and pretty much every one of our barneys type department stores is either a Myers of David jones, one belonging to one, one to the other. Don't know about pharmacy shop front stores, are the majority of US dispensaries "small bussiness" type set ups?

 

[MrNaturalAZ]

I'll preface this by saying that it is NOT the way I'd like to see the industry move, and not the way I want to consume my cannabis, but it will be interesting (in a scary sort of way) to watch.

I can appreciate the perceived advantages of such a system - at least the features they'll try to push - mainly convenience and dosage control - but I see extracts in disposable pens or cartridges as cornering the "convenience" market.

I suppose a whole-flower pod system might attempt to compete as a more "natural" product - "real" cannabis, if you will, but then again, is mediocre, processed bud in a pod really that much better than mediocre, dilute concentrates in a disposable e-cig?

Sadly, I see such a thing as possibly gaining traction. Not among our cohort, to be sure, but look how popular the pod coffeemakers are in spite of the waste and that it costs $.50-$1/cup for mediocre coffee when I can grind my own quality beans for less than half that. OTOH, the Pod People think they're getting a bargain, because they're paying "only" a buck a cup at home instead of five bucks a cup at *$.

 

[CarolKing]

With legalization of cannabis in WA state I'm seeing the edible industry being taken over by big business because of precise THC contents and health reasons. The mom and pop industry can't compete because of money and state regulations. I'm sure our law makers are paid to help their state decide on big business.

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[howie105]

There is no way big business will walk away from the profits that could be generated by legalization. Cannabis culture will change in ways that we can't foresee right now but I suspect that commercialization and profit will be a huge part of that change. What I really want from legalization is for the police go away and let me do what I have done for decades without the threat of arrest.

 

[MinnBobber]

@CarolKing ,
?? so how are those dosed? Does each very different size piece have the same mg?