(BHO) Airborne debris, are they an issue for you?

Purpl3_Haz3

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So, as the topic states, Airborne debris, are they an issue for you? If so, how do you avoid them?

I live in new england, and I don't know if it's a side effect of that, or just my particular location, but I've never been able to figure out how I should go about spraying without getting debris from the air into the oil; therefore I've never actually made BHO, just QWISO oil. Granted my QWISO oil comes out as pretty and tasty as some of the stuff here, I know that I could be taking a lot less time and getting a overall better product using 'tane as a solvent vs ISO.

So, today I decided I'd take the plunge and spray some flowers
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I got some Sour Diesel from the dispensary, a SSTB from Bed Bath & Beyond, a stainless steel "permanent coffee filter" (Brew Rite brand) from Walmart, and a couple cans of Vector from the LHS. I cleaned the tube with ISO and let it dry, and cut out some screen from the permanent coffee filter. Then I set up the screen/non bleached coffee filter on the end of the baster, to get the SS screen to take shape.

I took ~8 grams of Diesel and packed up the tube, using some smaller pea size pieces to start with in the small end, then slightly larger buds, working up to whole buds. I had a nice even pack that came to the end perfectly. I covered the tube with screen setup and used two plastic zip ties to hold the filters in place. Before packing the tube, I started boiling some water, in a large pot that the pyrex fit into the top of nicely. I also had my pyrex sitting in the oven, at ~155* (IR temp gun used.) Once everything was ready, I took the rex out of the oven, and sat in on top of the pot of boiling water. I took that outside, along with my packed SSTB, can of vector, torch, IR temp gun, small towel and glove.

Using the IR temp gun, I watched the temp of the pyrex/water and waited for it to drop to about 150* then I proceeded to spray! I used what I believe to be ~1/3 of the can of vector, to be on the safe side and make sure I got the majority of the goodies out of the flowers.

The spray went just fine as far as I could tell at the time; no blow backs, leaking tane, etc. But, as soon as the majority of the liquid 'tane had evaporated, I could clearly see a large amount of random particulate/debris. This wasn't from the flowers either, it was from the air. I realized that right in front of my eyes, more and more crap was just landing in the dish. WTF! :bang: There wasn't really anything I could do at that point. The liquid 'tane hadn't fully evaporated, so I couldn't go inside, and I had nothing with me or near by to cover the dish to keep the debris away.

So, once it seemed to be as purged as it would get sitting there, I moved to another location in my yard, took my torch and lightly razed the 'tane bubbles, and a couple of not-so-tane bubbles lol. I brought the setup inside, and contemplated what to do. I could have picked the particulate/debris out, but even so, AFAIK the butane would have already extracted stuff from the debris that got in the dish, assuming it was say from trees, or flowers/plants; think pollen, etc. I thought about doing an ISO wash of the remaining product, and even started doing that. But I got frustrated about the whole situation and just said screw it, and I dumped the rex out.

So, here I am, with ~6 grams of diesel left, not quite enough for the SSTB, and not enough for my QWISO method. Oh well.

My question to all of you still stands. I didn't think that one part of my run through, and ended up suffering. I may also have suffered from hastily ditching the oil, yet I somehow feel it was a lost cause. My tentative plan, after about 2 hours of thought, and a joint (yuck) of diesel, is this; I will go buy a screen house type deal. They have a solid top (canopy) to prevent rain, debris, etc, and it is a screened in enclosure. I figure this should work, it won't pose any hazard that I can see. This would allow my to do my runs, and initial purge outdoors, completely under cover, and even provide a little more discretion. Then, once I've done the initial purge, I can bring it inside, covered if need be, and continue purging. Does anyone see an issue with this, or have any suggestions in the way of a better solution? If so, any info would be greatly appreciated.

TL/DR: In my yard, even under clear sky (no trees directly above) there is too much airborne debris to spray without the dish getting filled with crap. Is there a better solution than purchasing a screen house to spray in?

Thanks in advance for any info, and I apologize if this has been discussed before; I searched the forum/net to no avail. Am I the only one having this problem?

I posted this on another forum as well, but I'd like to get some feedback from the oil heads here as well!
 
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Frederick McGuire

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Was it particularly windy or anything like that?

I've only done a couple of BHO runs, but they were outside, and I didn't get anything like that.
(love that BHO emoticon :lol:)

I just took my pyrex dish outside, sprayed the tane in, let it evap (within a minute or 2) and brought it inside to double boil.

There were no particulates that I noticed.
 
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weedemon

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This is a good topic. I have experienced dust, bugs, hair, even bits of sawdust get into my batches before.

care must be taken to prevent these things from happening. a clean work space is the key here! imo


it's been an issue for me in the past. if i am concerned i will sweep up and get rid of any dusty shit that could blow into my batch. I have used a cake cover (like a big umbrella that sits over food to keep flies off) yes i had black flies do into my oil before too.
 
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WatTyler

Revolting Peasant
When it's windy here I put the bowl into a high sided bucket (I've got one of those 25 Litre (6.6 US Gallon) food type ones that comes with a lid). That at least limits the influx to that falling directly from above, and it seems to be pretty effective. I guess as soon as you'd finished running the liquid you could rest the lid over the top of the bucket too, but I've yet to really see the need.
 
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Purpl3_Haz3

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@Frederick McGuire, found the emoticon on TC, I love it :) I didn't realize it would transfer over like that...(off to hunt for my own stash of smileys!)

@Stick Shisha - On the ground, which probably wasn't the best, but I live in a residential area, making my activities look sketchy.

@weedemon - Yeah. I'm really trying to just find a solution so that this no longer becomes a factor.

@WatTyler, I may try that as well.

to all. I posted this elsewhere, and the responses I got varied from those here (what I expected) One, that is relevant, is someone saying that I shouldn't use a screen house to spray in, as it's just as dangerous as spraying inside...
SPRAYING IN SCREENED PORCHES/TENTS/"HOUSES" IS THE SAME AS SPRAYING INSIDE. Es no bueno.

I don't see how that is true though. If I set up my screen house in the middle of my yard, where I sprayed in the first place, the only thing I am doing, is allowing the butane to possibly pool, more than it could have without the screen house. However, I'm not adding any addition risk of ignition that I can tell. I won't have any electricity, etc. AFAIK, the reason folks spray outside, vs. inside, is that indoors, two things are likely to to happen, and possibly unavoidable in some situations; butane will pool/collect in low areas/corners, and ignition can occur from any number of sources, known or unknown, in your house.

I just don't see how adding an enclosure is dangerous, when first, the enclosure is made 4/5 of screen material that allows air to flow through, and second, I haven't introduced any additional ignition risks.

Any input is really greatly appreciated, and needed. I will be going to purchase a screen house today, and I will set it up in my yard and spray some flowers, unless I get a good reason not to, or I don't get any replies at all. (I am cautious, and I don't want to blow up lol)
 
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weedemon

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i don't really see much risk in using a screen house.if the screen house has a bottom that seals it. I would raise that so that there is airflow rather than any change of allowing it to pool.

- could the material itself that the structure is made of somehow generate a static spark?
 
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Purpl3_Haz3

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i don't really see much risk in using a screen house.if the screen house has a bottom that seals it. I would raise that so that there is airflow rather than any change of allowing it to pool.

- could the material itself that the structure is made of somehow generate a static spark?

AFAIK, it is just a roof, and four walls, the ground is your floor, so grass in my case. I'll probably set my pot of water/rex on a small table. I don't believe that the screen house by itself could produce a spark, but myself rubbing against it could, I suppose. So, I figure, I will leave the opening open, and have the opposing walls facing the wind. This way nothing will blow in through the opening, and I can exit without brushing the screen house, if that's even a risk. I also plan on having the screen house set up in a way that the base of the screen walls will be above the ground, by at least a couple inches. This would, IMO, aid in allowing the butane to escape. It should be able to pass through the screen, but if not, it is going to sink to the ground level; in that case, the wind (minimal) would push it out.

I really don't see this being an issue, but want to cover all bases.
 
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smokum

I am who I am and your approval isn't needed!
Stainless steel frypan platter screen, and just spray through that (through your reg set up of filtration of course). Should keep out any airborn dust, hair, etc.

ps: I too spray in a screened in patio, but run a ground plate and wrist ground while standing on that plate.

Edit: I as wanted to mention that I use a small wood table (unpainted) as my platform approx 2.5-3.0 ft off the ground (NO TABLECLOTHS plz).
 
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Puffers

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This was my first thought. Spray it then, cover with a fine mesh.... but i think the screen rooms a good idea particuarly if u plan on making bho on the regular. If you were grounded like smokum suggested it should be safe imo
 
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Purpl3_Haz3

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I ended up going with a food tent, as I couldn't reason with anyone on TC to say it was safe to use a screen house.
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Per suggestion of COmeduser, and Biclighterinuse, on TC, I was turned onto the idea of a food tent, as pictured above. COmeduser had the idea of the food tent, and biclighterinuse came up with cutting a small slit in the tent to allow my SSTB to fit through. So, I had the rex on a pot of hot water, with the food tent over it all, and I inserted the SSTB through the hole, allowing me to spray debris free!

I will say, your idea Smokeum is a great one, and I don't know how I didn't think of it (the mesh to cover the rex itself, but spray through it.
 
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yeah that food tent is the mesh "cake cover" i was talking about :)

spraying right though it is a great idea and i never thought of that either lol! oops!
 
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smokum

I am who I am and your approval isn't needed!
The only concern I'd have about spraying directly through that food tent screen is not knowing its composition and reaction to butane (which is why I mentioned the stainless steel frypan splatter screen that wld sit directly on top of your dish).

Other than that, the tent looks like a great tool to safely cover the purging dish after the spray.
 

Purpl3_Haz3

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yeah that food tent is the mesh "cake cover" i was talking about :)

spraying right though it is a great idea and i never thought of that either lol! oops!

The only concern I'd have about spraying directly through that food tent screen is not knowing its composition and reaction to butane (which is why I mentioned the stainless steel frypan splatter screen that wld sit directly on top of your dish).

Other than that, the tent looks like a great tool to safely cover the purging dish after the spray.

Not sure if you missed the part in my previous post, where I said
...and biclighterinuse came up with cutting a small slit in the tent to allow my SSTB to fit through. So, I had the rex on a pot of hot water, with the food tent over it all, and I inserted the SSTB through the hole, allowing me to spray debris free!...

I didn't spray through that mesh screen, I made a small hole, that the extractor fits through. IMO, using the tent like I described, is more efficient than spraying through an addition screen, such as a SS frypan splatter screen; spraying through that would be another place for oil to collect rather than making it to the dish. I understand that it may be a negligible amount in comparison to what's left on my coffee filter/SS screen/inside of the SSTB, yet I feel the net works adequately without adding an additional layer to spray through. :)

I just snapped these to give an idea of my setup. The SSTB in the picture is not packed, it is empty. Yes I am indoors; I am not doing an extraction, just taking pictures. Pics are thumbnails, click on 'em for the big ones.






 
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smokum

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Yup, I missed that.... sorry ! In my mind I was envisioning a total lock out of chances of airborne contaminants and completely didnt' read it properly.

Nice set up btw ;) yet I don't see the issue of trapped oil in my screen only because I usually end up spraying clear (basically just propane) a bit at the end of the run before stopping (IMO), but get what your saying.
 
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Purpl3_Haz3

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Yup, I missed that.... sorry ! In my mind I was envisioning a total lock out of chances of airborne contaminants and completely didnt' read it properly.

Nice set up btw ;) yet I don't see the issue of trapped oil in my screen only because I usually end up spraying clear (basically just propane) a bit at the end of the run before stopping (IMO), but get what your saying.

No worries ;) and Thanks! I'm in love with the setup already lol. I hear ya on spraying till the end, and not having the issue of leaving any behind, on the screen, etc. I would follow suit, but I think I'll be doing ~7g runs, maybe 14 max, and I don't think I'll want to use much more than 1/4 can and 1/2 can respectively, going by the 1 ~300ml can per OZ flower. Either way, I'm happy. Did my first run yesterday...I'll post pics sometime in the next few days. Here is a writeup I did on my run, it's a post in the thread I made like this on TC.
 

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Pictures. If they're too big too see (not sure how they'll show up for ya) if you use windows, you can hold CTRL and press the -/+ buttons, or scroll with the click wheel on your mouse to zoom out/in.

Starting material: Sour Diesel
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Buds on plate on the right in this pic are what I used for this oil, this pic below was the tube already packed for the run that I fubard on the first try.
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oil pics were taken when the temps were lower, probably around 60*F - 65*F, this afternoon, as I dab and type this, the oil sits in a solid blob of sap. I can dab it with ease; it starts to stretch out if you pull to slowly, but a quick pull and it just snaps off perfect.

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So :ti: and as the last pic says, Run some BHO!
 
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weedemon

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oil porn! wow man great looking material, and also your product looks fantastic too! are those bubbles trapped or did they escape later?

how much did you run and end up with?
 
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