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Best Perc Type(s)/Best Bubbler for Max Cooling/Smoothing/Filtering

Polarbearboy

Tokin' Away Since 1968
I've been inhaling cannabis products--weed and rarely hash--since the late 60's. I smoked cigarettes for more than 50 years, Lucky Strikes at that. Been cigarette free for 8 years and have combusted(as opposed to vaping or eating) cannabis less than once a year--and always with the same buddy--for 7 years. Though I'm in my seventies, I still enjoy vigorous outdoor recreation(was out on my ebike in the mtns in the 30s(F) today) and still really enjoy getting stoned, over those long years my lungs have become sensitive. With all the superb legal weed and fantastic concentrates, I don't want to give it up. To get the big milky hits that I still adore into my lungs, I need maximum cooling and or filtration. Right now I'm looking at my DHgate double tree perc with a matrix ash collector with one of my vapes on top. This sort of setup has fallen over and things have gotten broken more than once because its weighted way off center. But I need lots of cooling/smoothing/water-filtering or whatever. So what am I to do? I've now owned seven or eight mostly moderately priced water pieces of various sizes with various percing technologies, but don't really have much to compare to. I live in a rural area and have few nearby retail glass shops.

What do you think is the best way to cool/smooth/filter cannavapor? That is what perc or cooling method, or set of technologies? We really need some scientists to study this! But your opinions are the next best thing
:)
Then what do you think is the best piece of full-sized glass that is generally available, cost be damned or understanding that some of us are financially moderate or limited? Thanks.

PS: I've also tried a number of charcoal filters, including Mouthpiece. I'll try almost anything to keep this damn habit going! Suggest away please.

PPS: Cheap or lower priced glass suggestions go to the front of the line.
 

staircase slight of hand

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A lot of people hate them because they take a decent amount of cleaning upkeep to keep them unclogged, but when I think maximum smoothness/filtration I think fritted discs, so Rooster Apparatus and their budget side-brand Dave G Glass.

Edit to add: especially in cold/dry climates, try warm/hot water instead of cold.
 
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Shit Snacks

Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAAA! (TM/FW7/OAB/CC-H&A)
This is my new easy favorite:

I have a few different options for mouthpiece (@508phineas on Instagram vigreux cooling tube and GooRoo mouthpiece from my color frit 3piece from them) I use with 45° angle adapters from allaccessary on DHgate (s shape drop down adapters are also a great way to add extra cooling along with better ergonomics)

I also I think it's worth checking out the Licit Glass at nhalables.com though it cost quite a bit more...

Otherwise maybe this with female to female s shape drop-down adapter or tall straight fab egg with FOL perc? I have one from CaliBear but it was not cheap and the mouthpiece offers too much draw restriction imo (here is an FOL perc without the egg) or this maybe

Maybe this could be good too I don't know? Or this one... Or perhaps one of these...?? Good luck!
 
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CANtalk

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A honeycomb perc gave me the most conditioning... a favorite. Size of vape makes a huge difference in conditioning as well.

Stackable water pieces are a neat option(with more filtration).

:peace: :leaf:
 
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andrew`124c41+

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I've been inhaling cannabis products--weed and rarely hash--since the late 60's. I smoked cigarettes for more than 50 years, Lucky Strikes at that. Been cigarette free for 8 years and have combusted(as opposed to vaping or eating) cannabis less than once a year--and always with the same buddy--for 7 years. Though I'm in my seventies, I still enjoy vigorous outdoor recreation(was out on my ebike in the mtns in the 30s(F) today) and still really enjoy getting stoned, over those long years my lungs have become sensitive. With all the superb legal weed and fantastic concentrates, I don't want to give it up. To get the big milky hits that I still adore into my lungs, I need maximum cooling and or filtration. Right now I'm looking at my DHgate double tree perc with a matrix ash collector with one of my vapes on top. This sort of setup has fallen over and things have gotten broken more than once because its weighted way off center. But I need lots of cooling/smoothing/water-filtering or whatever. So what am I to do? I've now owned seven or eight mostly moderately priced water pieces of various sizes with various percing technologies, but don't really have much to compare to. I live in a rural area and have few nearby retail glass shops.

What do you think is the best way to cool/smooth/filter cannavapor? That is what perc or cooling method, or set of technologies? We really need some scientists to study this! But your opinions are the next best thing
:)
Then what do you think is the best piece of full-sized glass that is generally available, cost be damned or understanding that some of us are financially moderate or limited? Thanks.

PS: I've also tried a number of charcoal filters, including Mouthpiece. I'll try almost anything to keep this damn habit going! Suggest away please.

PPS: Cheap or lower priced glass suggestions go to the front of the line.

I am 69 and I stopped smoking at the age of 17 in 1969. The main reason was that I never smoked tobacco and I was concerned that it would affect my lungs. It was only this year that for medical reasons and the availability of edibles and vaporizers that I felt comfortable with it.

One sentence in your post jumps out at me, that is your desire to have thick milky clouds. I hear that a lot on YouTube reviews and read it in written reviews.

What follows is purely a personal opinion. I think this desire is a hold over from the total Bambu conflagration method we were accustomed to....but the irony is that the purpose of vaping and the name of this Forum is to get away from this altogether.

I too have been using a WP. In another thread a member suggested that with a long stem for my new TM vaporizer, I might not even find it necessary.

In fact, just today I tried it out. The stem is about 7 in long and I found it to be true....

But, here is the catch. I am vaping at relatively low temperatures, 350 to about 380. When I have used higher temps I wind up with something between ash...and who knows what.

The "what" is what I end up with now. It is not ash.

Anyway, the point of the low temps is to prevent tars and the other harmful particulates that one gets in smoke from being created in the first place.

Most of the time I can barely see anything in what I exhale or in my bong.

An invisible vapor or as close as I can get us my goal.

I don't think WPs do much filtering although I have not attempted to research the topic to see if anyone has actually looked at this.

My sense is that water mostly just cools the vapor.

This brings me to another topic that was debated in another thread. I read an article suggesting that the true boiling point of THC at 1 atmosphere is unknown. There is a calculated value but the true value is probably much higher than we vape at. In the article a guy who works with vaporizers thinks that the THC may become an aerosol which piggybacks on lower BP agents.

Anyway, no matter how it really works we just want the effects and get them as safely as possible. To that end, I think the best bet as I said, vape at as low a temp as you can.

How much THC and Terpines are actually left in the water is a good question.
 

Polarbearboy

Tokin' Away Since 1968
I am 69 and I stopped smoking at the age of 17 in 1969. The main reason was that I never smoked tobacco and I was concerned that it would affect my lungs. It was only this year that for medical reasons and the availability of edibles and vaporizers that I felt comfortable with it.

One sentence in your post jumps out at me, that is your desire to have thick milky clouds. I hear that a lot on YouTube reviews and read it in written reviews.

What follows is purely a personal opinion. I think this desire is a hold over from the total Bambu conflagration method we were accustomed to....but the irony is that the purpose of vaping and the name of this Forum is to get away from this altogether.

I too have been using a WP. In another thread a member suggested that with a long stem for my new TM vaporizer, I might not even find it necessary.

In fact, just today I tried it out. The stem is about 7 in long and I found it to be true....

But, here is the catch. I am vaping at relatively low temperatures, 350 to about 380. When I have used higher temps I wind up with something between ash...and who knows what.

The "what" is what I end up with now. It is not ash.

Anyway, the point of the low temps is to prevent tars and the other harmful particulates that one gets in smoke from being created in the first place.

Most of the time I can barely see anything in what I exhale or in my bong.

An invisible vapor or as close as I can get us my goal.

I don't think WPs do much filtering although I have not attempted to research the topic to see if anyone has actually looked at this.

My sense is that water mostly just cools the vapor.

This brings me to another topic that was debated in another thread. I read an article suggesting that the true boiling point of THC at 1 atmosphere is unknown. There is a calculated value but the true value is probably much higher than we vape at. In the article a guy who works with vaporizers thinks that the THC may become an aerosol which piggybacks on lower BP agents.

Anyway, no matter how it really works we just want the effects and get them as safely as possible. To that end, I think the best bet as I said, vape at as low a temp as you can.

How much THC and Terpines are actually left in the water is a good question.
You make some interesting and actually thought-provoking points. As an ex-smoker or because this is why we smoke in the first place(other than the addictive nature of nicotine), l like lung-filling big milky hits. This is for a feeling mostly and also a hope that it will make me more stoned quicker. And so I use a big waterpipe with three internal percs, pre-filtered/cooled with an ash catcher, and then finally filtered through activated carbon to get my big hits. All those percs and filters are so my old smoker's lungs won't feel too bad when I fill them with vapor. Maybe I would get just as stoned using lower temps, taking smaller hits, not trying to fill my lungs. This reminds me of the advice in Storz-Bickel product manuals: If your lungs or throat are irritated, only take half hits and always at lower temps. Knowing all this, I still love filling my lungs with dense vapor. Maybe if I took smaller lower temp hits I wouldn't need all the percs, ash catcher, and carbon filters. But it wouldn't be as much fun! Still after a big session last eve and wheeziness this morning, maybe I should give the alternative a try.

RE: Types of Percs etc.: A bit after I wrote the top post, my DHGate order came. I got two new big waterpipes, the biggest I've ever owned. One is absolutely huge--hard to tell sizes sometimes when ordering--and has two 12-arm tree percs and a double matrix perc. The other is also large--Mobius sidecar matrix knock-off/unlabeled. I have five other working waterpipes as well with in-line, honeycomb, and other perc types. After a month of playing around, it seems to me that the size and mass has far more influence on cooling/filtering than perc type. The Mobius knockoff with its one perc seems to give just as much tempering as the big triple perc and both supply more cooling than my half-the-size double percs with ash catchers and carbon filters.

And Andrew's comment above raises another question: Yes, the waterpipes cool the vapor, but are they actually filtering anything. We just don't know. We learned from cigarettes that was no difference in health outcomes for people who smoked filter cigarettes vs those who smoked unfiltered cigarettes. We need science and research to give us anything more than anecdotal data.
 
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FC-1000 Inverted matrix perc to peyote piller . One of the coolest for sure !
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Shit Snacks

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FC-1000 Inverted matrix perc to peyote piller . One of the coolest for sure !
rBVaI1kS2P-APXVfAAE4E4NbIlA188.jpg

I think they don't sell these anymore, there is also one from Phoenix Glass that had a orb circ perc instead of the matrix, that one is still available from a reseller on eBay at least for like $90... I have a smaller recycler with some pillars, interesting function, still curious to try one of these peyote pillars!
 
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androponic

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I think they don't sell these anymore, there is also one from Phoenix Glass that had a orb circ perc instead of the matrix, that one is still available from a reseller on eBay at least for like $90... I have a smaller recycler with some pillars, interesting function, still curious to try one of these peyote pillars!
got a link for the ebay one? im curious
 
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Polarbearboy

Tokin' Away Since 1968
The PopularGlass one is listed and shows as "in stock". I prefer that mouthpiece style, the more horizontal the happier I am with any water piece.
 
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Oh that's great, yeah it definitely seems to be the better piece in almost every way
 
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