Best cartridges for distillate

[florduh]

Well anyone looking for a distillate tank can pretty much take the Trinity xl off their list.
I've had such a poor experience with them.
Tried to get a refund and they sent me new experimental heaters that still leak and clog. This tank looks super well made but just doesn't work, period. It's great for about an hour then it's worthless your sucking buggars of distillate in your mouth with every hit... Disgusting.
I asked again for a refund and didn't even recieve a reply from the company... Had to file a dispute with my bank to get my money back...
Unfortunately my experience with W9 and the Trinity xl has been horrible!

Unfortunately, that was my experience with the Trinity as well. I like the idea behind it, but it's not ready for prime time. If using it requires tons of fuckery to get it working right, I'll just use a load as you go option. The entire point of carts/tanks is ease of use.

That was my first experience with w9, and it left a bad taste in my mouth (literally... hot oil shooting into your mouth is disgusting). I've been eyeing their Triton oil atomizer... but my previous experience makes me cautious.

 

[Vicki]

Quick question for any medical cannabis patients. I plan to refill my ceramic cartridges from the dispensary when they are empty. I was diagnosed with COPD, but it’s really mild right now. I’m considering Wax Liquidizer to make my THC distillate go a little farther. Should someone like me use this stuff, or just skip it? TIA.

 

[Stoneyk]

Definitely skip it
https://www.projectcbd.org/update-toxic-marijuana-vape-oil-additives-endanger-patients

 

[Vicki]

Definitely skip it
https://www.projectcbd.org/update-toxic-marijuana-vape-oil-additives-endanger-patients

Ok thank you. I was also going to do it because the distillate is so darn thick. I’ll have to warm it up for a while just to get it thin enough to get it in the cartridge.

The dispensaries here use MCT in their carts.

 

[Stoneyk]

Terps will help, cannabis terps can work best because they can be used a lil more liberally up to 40% I'd say an still be amazing but that's not gonna save you any money.
I think the best idea is to find a good tank that handles distillate and is reusable. Just got my drizzle today and I'm a bit underwhelmed with that as well .
The search continues for me.

 

[florduh]

Definitely skip it
https://www.projectcbd.org/update-toxic-marijuana-vape-oil-additives-endanger-patients

I don't really recommend PEG liquidizers, but that's because I personally don't like the taste. But the article you're quoting is based on very dubious research. I started a thread about it a while back:

On the Demonization of PEG

Long story short, there's no reason to say PEG is dangerous based on the current research.

 

[subway13029]

Ok thank you. I was also going to do it because the distillate is so darn thick. I’ll have to warm it up for a while just to get it thin enough to get it in the cartridge.

The dispensaries here use MCT in their carts.

Are you in florida? I am and i use the ccell or my number one option is the pod system..i use the the ald amaze..uses juul like pods and they are they best..i add straight distillate that is thick as hell..i dont like the taste of the mct oil they use in florida.

 

[Vicki]

Are you in florida? I am and i use the ccell or my number one option is the pod system..i use the the ald amaze..uses juul like pods and they are they best..i add straight distillate that is thick as hell..i dont like the taste of the mct oil they use in florida.

Yes, I am in Florida. This is my first time trying the cartridges, and I decided to stick with Trulieve. I got the 600mg ceramic Pineapple Express and Sunset Sherbet. I don’t hate them, but I know they are not as pure as TruClear, and TruClear is a better buy. I also have a THC distillate from Grow Healthy, Cindy White. It’s even thicker than Trulieve!

When these cartridges are empty, I want to refill them with TruClear. I am also considering adding a few drops of terpenes to help thin it out a bit instead of PG or MCT.

 

[LayKool]

Terps will help, cannabis terps can work best because they can be used a lil more liberally up to 40% I'd say an still be amazing but that's not gonna save you any money.
I think the best idea is to find a good tank that handles distillate and is reusable. Just got my drizzle today and I'm a bit underwhelmed with that as well .
The search continues for me.

What was underwhelming about the Drizzle?

 

[subway13029]

Yes, I am in Florida. This is my first time trying the cartridges, and I decided to stick with Trulieve. I got the 600mg ceramic Pineapple Express and Sunset Sherbet. I don’t hate them, but I know they are not as pure as TruClear, and TruClear is a better buy. I also have a THC distillate from Grow Healthy, Cindy White. It’s even thicker than Trulieve!

When these cartridges are empty, I want to refill them with TruClear. I am also considering adding a few drops of terpenes to help thin it out a bit instead of PG or MCT.

Have you tried the truepods? I refill those with truclear and now i buy the empty ones for ald amze and fill those and its the best experience hands down. No mct oil..juwt pure distillate and yoi can refill them with the truclear.

 

[Vicki]

Have you tried the truepods? I refill those with truclear and now i buy the empty ones for ald amze and fill those and its the best experience hands down. No mct oil..juwt pure distillate and yoi can refill them with the truclear.

No because I wasn’t willing to pay $94 for one of them. That’s outrageous.

I just made my first cartridge. I mixed a Dogwalker TruClear with a couple drops of Fogg Terpenes in Durban Poison. I should have done this a long time ago! I can really feel a difference!

 

[cannavapesupplies]

I can get distillate in a jar for about $20, but the distillate carts are atleast $40/g around me, so I've been looking for some I can fill myself, I'd also be able to use a bigger tank for a mod if there's one that works well. I'd like to avoid layg, with distillate that gets messy. Reddit reccomeded the maxvapr v2, vape 710 v2.1, or ccell carts, thanks for any advice!

You definitely want to use a cartridge with a ceramic coil. My top picks are the v9 with top airflow and the ccell are great also. Also cartridges that look like the ccell, but not stamped ccell, seem to work just as good. They must have a ceramic coil for the distillate to go through. Many companies sell these type of cartridges, but they're not all created equal. Make sure the company you deal with has a return policy just incase. You want the aperture to be at least a 1.2mm, but a 1.8mm-2.0mm is best.

 

[Gazaam]

[@florduh[/USER] : Sir, with great respect, I suggest you get your facts straight about the chemistry of PEG before pontificatiung with declarations like you made above. I always say to my patients: "If it were me, I'd do ...." In this case I will say that never under any circumstances would I vape something containing either PEG or glycerol in a cart heated by either a coil or ceramic oven.

You have not shared your basis for questioning the research as "dubious". I read it thoroughly, as well as some other papers on the topic, and found them completely credible. Could you please share with us your reasons for considering the research to be dubious?

The fact is that heating PEG in a coil-based or even ceramic cart will raise its temperatrure above the point where the PEG decomposes into formaldehyde, a powerful carcinogen. This occurs because there is a heat gradient in the cart. The overall temperature of the concentrate is not the important parameter. Rather it is the MAXIMUM temperature right at the surface of the coil which overheats the PEG.

Howver, it MAY depend on the type of vaporizer being used. I quote from the article referenced above:

"Since cannabinoids vaporize at temperatures slightly below 230˚C, it is POSSIBLE [my emphasis] to avoid the harms associated with heating cannabis oil mixed with PG or PEG. But in practice, vaporizers rarely distribute heat evenly. The oil closest to the heating unit often reaches a higher temperature than expected, particularly with vape pens and other handheld electronic vaporizers."

While it may be "possible" it is not necessarily a known fact. Until more info is availabe about the chemistry of PEG when heated, IMHO the prudent vaper will avoid such diluents in favour of one of the terps naturally occuring in cannabis. Some of these are pretty inexpensive and readily available online. Some of them are also used in cooking and in perfumes.

I have a Mighty which I broke by inadvertently standing it in a glass containing some milk. Duh! For a while now I have been debating whether to bite the bullet and send it to Storz for repair (which ain't cheap) or simply buying a new unit like a Vaporesso with a CCELL heater. Writing this article has now convinced me that I should just get the Mighty repaired. Its heating technology is well regulated and totally avoids hotspots. For vaping concentrates (either shatter or oil), they provide a small cylindrical "sponge" woven from stainless steel wire. I put my concentrate on the surface of the sponge and then heat it gently with a heat gun until it melts and saturates the sponge. Then pop it into the Mighty and away we go!

Admitedly, it takes a bit longer to vape a given quantity of concentrate, and the vapour is not thick enough to look like smoke. But it is totally safe and reliable and gets you to the same place as big tokes so laden with vaporized THC oil that it condenses onto the walls of your trachea and bronchii and induces a paroxysm of coughing. Yech! I am not into massive tokes like that and then coughing my lungs out like a college kid at a fraternity party hot-nailing dabs.

 

[grampa_herb]

Just got my drizzle today and I'm a bit underwhelmed with that as well .

Please share your findings. Loving it myself, but like to hear all experiences.

 

[asdf420]

I just bought a bunch of 1mL CCEL carts off eBay. They have screw-on mouthpieces and some sort of rubbery thing the disposable ones don't have. I tried filling one with a fairly liquidy mix of CBD isolate and terpenes, and it was just spitting like crazy. I got so many terpenes down my throat, it was nauseating. I thought I was gonna get terpene toxicity.

Maybe I would just have to use less or no terpenes? Could the cartridges be fake? I don't wanna waste more stuff on these if so

edit: yup, the oil in ccell carts should be thick. it needs time to cool down. there's talk of putting it upside down, to avoid air bubbles? wtf

 

[florduh]

Sir, with great respect, I suggest you get your facts straight about the chemistry of PEG before pontificatiung with declarations like you made above. I always say to my patients: "If it were me, I'd do ...." In this case I will say that never under any circumstances would I vape something containing either PEG or glycerol in a cart heated by either a coil or ceramic oven.

You have not shared your basis for questioning the research as "dubious". I read it thoroughly, as well as some other papers on the topic, and found them completely credible. Could you please share with us your reasons for considering the research to be dubious?

The fact is that heating PEG in a coil-based or even ceramic cart will raise its temperatrure above the point where the PEG decomposes into formaldehyde, a powerful carcinogen. This occurs because there is a heat gradient in the cart. The overall temperature of the concentrate is not the important parameter. Rather it is the MAXIMUM temperature right at the surface of the coil which overheats the PEG.

There is an entire thread that discusses exactly why the single study that everyone bases their PEG hysteria on is VERY dubious. I don't think I properly linked to it before:
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/on-the-demonization-of-peg.26864/

For one. It was done by a "naturopath" (read: a pseudoscientist) and published in a less than reputable Journal. Literally no scientist cites that journal in their research. That journal publishes papers on how homeopathy (read: bullshit) MAY be effective.

In addition, the pseudoscientist who published that study works for a Company that produces MCT based vape cartridges. Are you SHOCKED that his study concluded that MCT oil is the "safest" cannabis oil diutant? I'm sure not.

A study done by actual PhD Chemists suggests that PEG may be SAFER than PG. But more study would need to be done to determine that conclusively https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4838028/

Yes, PEG can degrade under higher temps. No, most users in normal circumstances are not getting their oil cartridge to those temperatures. Using temp control devices like the Vaporesso Nexus reduce that risk even further.

I don't love the taste of PEG, so I avoid it. But claiming that everyone who uses it is inhaling formaldehyde, based on a single study completed by a pseudoscientist and published in a dubious journal... is nonsense.

 

[tennisguru1]

I just bought a bunch of 1mL CCEL carts off eBay. They have screw-on mouthpieces and some sort of rubbery thing the disposable ones don't have. I tried filling one with a fairly liquidy mix of CBD isolate and terpenes, and it was just spitting like crazy. I got so many terpenes down my throat, it was nauseating. I thought I was gonna get terpene toxicity.

Maybe I would just have to use less or no terpenes? Could the cartridges be fake? I don't wanna waste more stuff on these if so

edit: yup, the oil in ccell carts should be thick. it needs time to cool down. there's talk of putting it upside down, to avoid air bubbles? wtf

Ccells need 2 things to work well
Thick uncut oil works best
Never put in warm oil,it will spit & climb chimney
Put screw top back on in 30 seconds
Works best with mod or button pen
Auto puff makes it climb up chimney also

 

[asdf420]

you never put in warm oil? what if it won't settle on the bottom when cold, does it need to be a slightly runny oil? i read about using a hair dryer to melt the oil in the cart, then waiting until it cools down and solidifies before hitting it. and some about leaving it upside down after filling it with warm oil. and a

why does the 30 second screw top thing matter?

fuck, yeah, i was using the auto puff ccell palm battery. it seemed to make way bigger and almost somehow smoother clouds than my mod box (w/ a disposable cart), maybe i had the voltage too low

annoyingly, it seems like the auto puff has been getting harder to activate, have to pull too hard

Overnight, it seems like the cbd isolate/terpenes mix partly crystallized, wtf.

 

[florduh]

you never put in warm oil? what if it won't settle on the bottom when cold, does it need to be a slightly runny oil? i read about using a hair dryer to melt the oil in the cart, then waiting until it cools down and solidifies before hitting it. and some about leaving it upside down after filling it with warm oil. and a

why does the 30 second screw top thing matter?

fuck, yeah, i was using the auto puff ccell palm battery. it seemed to make way bigger and almost somehow smoother clouds than my mod box (w/ a disposable cart), maybe i had the voltage too low

annoyingly, it seems like the auto puff has been getting harder to activate, have to pull too hard

Overnight, it seems like the cbd isolate/terpenes mix partly crystallized, wtf.

If you check out MassTerpenes, they sell syringes with CBD distillate mixed with terps meant to be added to THC distillate. Should mix better than isolate. Haven't tried it, but their other products have been solid.

 

[tennisguru1]

you never put in warm oil? what if it won't settle on the bottom when cold, does it need to be a slightly runny oil? i read about using a hair dryer to melt the oil in the cart, then waiting until it cools down and solidifies before hitting it. and some about leaving it upside down after filling it with warm oil. and a

why does the 30 second screw top thing matter?

fuck, yeah, i was using the auto puff ccell palm battery. it seemed to make way bigger and almost somehow smoother clouds than my mod box (w/ a disposable cart), maybe i had the voltage too low

annoyingly, it seems like the auto puff has been getting harder to activate, have to pull too hard

Overnight, it seems like the cbd isolate/terpenes mix partly crystallized, wtf.

OK Here's the thing, if you use co2 pure oil thick or med thick
and you put it in kinda luke warm , like not flowing freely but
moving so it will get to the bottom in a half hour or so.
Screw top on quickly & put on pen or mod , let just fall down
to the bottom on it's own, you can hurry it & get it to leak
in two ways too warm , pressure changes if you leave top
off too long & somehow can cause problems.
I only use this on the Tennis Court 12 hrs a week
wearing a tiny button fired pen with pre-heat and it refills 3-4 grams
safely if the oil is thick & you don't leave it in hot sun & get it warm.

Thin warm oil & close top & take a big drink NO NO LOL
You must be carefull to get them to last 4-5 grams.

A 1G ccell last me a month that way, as I use same stuff
with mix of diff shatters ect to taste the concocktions.
Mixing in with the donuts & quartz att's for TC taste vape.

1 10 sec pull on a cell as near as I can estimate it uses as
much oil as three 20 second pulls on a Saianora bucket or
an Evolve + or Cerum donut (Properly TC Modded & water
tooled up or not lol) Same with the DT2.5 3.0 & best of all
taste & most pulls for material the DT QQ & soon the V4!

 

[asdf420]

So you're saying the QQ and such are much more efficient than CCell carts??

 

[tennisguru1]

So you're saying the QQ and such are much more efficient than CCell carts??

Not EVEN CLOSE, lol.
Think of the cart & pen as great quick 1 or 2 FIVE SECOND hits.
If you go longer than a 5 second hit it gets to hot & GOBBLES
OIL compared to say a DTv3 donut atty or if your get more advanced
the QQ, bigger learning Curve, better taste , last longer, lol.

Just my opinion based on trail error & experience + All the
great Knowledge Base up at FC.

 

[tennisguru1]

I just bought a bunch of 1mL CCEL carts off eBay. They have screw-on mouthpieces and some sort of rubbery thing the disposable ones don't have. I tried filling one with a fairly liquidy mix of CBD isolate and terpenes, and it was just spitting like crazy. I got so many terpenes down my throat, it was nauseating. I thought I was gonna get terpene toxicity.

Maybe I would just have to use less or no terpenes? Could the cartridges be fake? I don't wanna waste more stuff on these if so

edit: yup, the oil in ccell carts should be thick. it needs time to cool down. there's talk of putting it upside down, to avoid air bubbles? wtf

One more thing about those ccell carts, taking apart one of each att,
after blowing them up trying to TC them (Ohms too high , me too )
The difference was the Laser Inscription cCell , might come from same
Here is the only real world diff is the size of the holes in the Tank to let
in diff viscosities of oil, Thick Med ect... I got some Big Med Small
all random from lasered to knock offs

 

[Vicki]

I always have to warm up my distillate to mix it with terpenes and inject into a cartridge.

 

[tennisguru1]

I always have to warm up my distillate to mix it with terpenes and inject into a cartridge.

I did also when use to mix in terps to shatter & wax.
Just get it in the syringe, while it's still warm, then just
wait till it cools a little, Squeeze it in, Screw top back on
& let it just get to bottom by itself, no more hair dryer now.

Wait till it saturate coil , takes about 30 mins.
I don't mix terps or anything in anymore.
I don't want smell on Tennis Court, just a
great strong 89% THC POW with a 5 sec draw
on change of sides, lol.

The rest of my Dayz are now spent Mixing in
all forms of Shatter, Batter, Live Resins, Crumble
Honeycomb , Badder , Sauce ect.. in a nice Ceramic
Donut Atty or Quartz Cup or TI Bucket Skillet,
Slowly taking Long 20sec Draws on a TC Mod
getting 2 or 3 hits from same amount as pen
in two 5 sec hits.
So I (for now at least) have given up trying to make
the Pen & ccell what it is not. It is what it is!