collegerower
Well-Known Member
Its been a bit since we have heard from Rick. I hope things in Zapville are going well!
mnmlh
Well-Known Member
Mine did that for a while, but doesn't get black anymore. I guess these the wall warts have a break in period. That, or the MZ needs to adjust. Mine smelled like wood for a week, and that has calmed down a lot too. The smell was so noticeable, that I could smell it throughout my whole place.CrazyFingers said:I really didn't like the 13.5 either. That thing REALLY heats things up. I was sure I got smoke the first time I plugged in there. It choked me out, and when I looked in the stem, there was a black layer on the surface of the herbs. Yuck.... way too hot for me!
G
Guest
Guest
i might get a zap one of these days!
they kinda look bitchin'
they kinda look bitchin'
Rick
Zapman
collegerower
I've got a pic I will send you in the AM. Close we hope.
Everything going fine just busy. Then the farm is getting ready to fire up. Unbelievable winter we have had. Lots of other drama.
Clear_Dome
I have not forgot you on some Zap stem tips to try. We had a regular supplier for many years all of a sudden decide not to restock one of the parts we use in the stem tip(clip that holds the screen in place). A normal week advance order for several hundred pieces gave me some bad news when I went in to pick them up yesterday. Once I got the right lady, we got it straightened out with an emergency 60 pcs coming tomorrow for orders to go out by Saturday and the balance Tuesday. She promised it would not happen again. It's the economy. Businesses are tightening inventories. I will get caught up on stem promises by Saturday and get back in touch with you, Clear_Dome. Love your English BTW. You are doing great!
CrazyFingers
3 cheers on the 13.5. I think they suck but the customer is always right.
I've got a pic I will send you in the AM. Close we hope.
Everything going fine just busy. Then the farm is getting ready to fire up. Unbelievable winter we have had. Lots of other drama.
Clear_Dome
I have not forgot you on some Zap stem tips to try. We had a regular supplier for many years all of a sudden decide not to restock one of the parts we use in the stem tip(clip that holds the screen in place). A normal week advance order for several hundred pieces gave me some bad news when I went in to pick them up yesterday. Once I got the right lady, we got it straightened out with an emergency 60 pcs coming tomorrow for orders to go out by Saturday and the balance Tuesday. She promised it would not happen again. It's the economy. Businesses are tightening inventories. I will get caught up on stem promises by Saturday and get back in touch with you, Clear_Dome. Love your English BTW. You are doing great!
CrazyFingers
3 cheers on the 13.5. I think they suck but the customer is always right.
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Guest
Guest
yep. i think todd is too from woodeez.aero18 said:
that's awesome for them both.
Hi Rick ,Rick said:
as I did'nt get a second email from you I thought you were no interested or capable to send me tips ,but as soon as the FEAR420 post apear about my pd glass stems, I have been warned by a member that the brass tips of your stems contain some lead and that lead can be toxic ...that may sound weird but I would like to get more information about this befor you ship the tips cause I dont want to be assosiate with some toxic material ,you have to understant that it is really important for me so ....dont spend time and effort if your procuct is not safe :/
Dont worry C_D....one day the PD fanbois will stop talking outta their asses & just accept the fact that a fucking VAPE IS A VAPE!!!Clear_Dome said:Hi Rick ,
as I did'nt get a second email from you I thought you were no interested or capable to send me tips ,but as soon as the FEAR420 post apear about my pd glass stems, I have been warned by a member that the brass tips of your stems contain some lead and that lead can be toxic ...that may sound weird but I would like to get more information about this befor you ship the tips cause I dont want to be assosiate with some toxic material ,you have to understant that it is really important for me so ....dont spend time and effort if your procuct is not safe :/
Mod note: Please read the rules and abide by them. You're in violation of several rules in the 'Be Nice' section. This type of posting will not be tolerated here.
the electrician
Well-Known Member
haha careful where you say that fella, theyll av youFEAR420 said:
humm that's sad but I'm one of those ....I mean this like the peoples that tell me each day that a pipe is pipe ...they all smoke from a dirty metal pipe while I try to tell them that smoking out of a metal pipe is more toxic than smoking with a glass pipe ....it may sound weird but it mather to me :/
the electrician
Well-Known Member
tsch tell me about it, i just got caught out in another thread. its a nuisanceFEAR420 said:
mind you, that glass stem looked like a winner, i hope the plastic or whatever ones get phased out completely. glass is always so much nicer. so very much nicer
AGBeer
Lost in Thought
CD there has been MUCH discussion about this and basically what was found was at best 'inconclusive' in the simplest sense brass does contain lead. The temperature needed to get that said brass to release that said lead is WAY MORE than any of these vapes can accomplish.
reece
Well-Known Member
If it matters why are you making a product with a metal tip?Clear_Dome said:humm that's sad but I'm one of those ....I mean this like the peoples that tell me each day that a pipe is pipe ...they all smoke from a dirty metal pipe while I try to tell them that smoking out of a metal pipe is more toxic than smoking with a glass pipe ....it may sound weird but it mather to me :/
And no, a vape isn't a vape. There are differences and some are surely made with questionable materials. It is not wrong for you to be concerned. However, there are many people here who have researched this issue. Many have decided there is no risk from the brass tips because the temperature of the vaporizer does not get near the boiling or melting point of lead.
And since members' opinions matter, let me give you mine. I researched for a couple of weeks before deciding to buy a MZ. I still do a little checking every now and then and I have yet to find any evidence that I have to worry.
Here is the opinion of another member, from this thread: http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?id=961&p=1
I can assure you the person who warned you cannot provide evidence of inhaling lead from the MZ. If this person can, then please provide it because I can only go by the best information I have at any given moment. I want to be the first to know if my Zap is unsafe. I'm sure Rick would want to know also. He isn't selling anything that he believes to be unsafe. Surely, if this person's concern is safety he/she would provide the proof of an unsafe product to everyone, not just one person in private.vtac said:
You aren't forcing anyone to use brass. Why not allow folks to decide for themselves considering the lack of any actual proof that the Zap is unsafe. We all know people have harmed themselves using marijuana, yet you have no problem selling products facilitating said use. There is no evidence of lead being inhaled from a MyrtleZap.
Howie Feltersnatch
Scalawag
Really,lo said:
If I had a dollar for every piece of brass my friends and I put a flame to in almost 40 years of combusting - I would be driving a much nicer car. And lighting it definitely heats it up more than these vapes.
I would guess that people have probably been smoking from and putting brass in their mouths for hundreds if not thousands of years.
Regarding the whole brass thing... My advice is to do the reading and research yourself and come to your own conclusion. This has become an issue on this board that reminds me of the whole "global warming" debate... 
Both sides are absolutely convinced they are right... quite passionate about it.. and uninterested in hearing the other side no matter what.
Here's an example that will probably stir things, but seems quite appropriate
There are two glasses of liquid on the counter. The one on the right contains pure water. The one on the left also contains water, but MAY contain a small amount of a toxic contaminant. I said MAY CONTAIN... I'm going to even go as far as to tell you that even if it does, it is probably such a small amount that you could drink glasses of this water day after day for the rest of your life with no negative effects. I could tell you that I have drank this water every day since I was a baby. I appear to be 100% healthy to you (in this example). Yet, it MAY contain small amounts of a contaminant that is toxic to you. Now I'm going to give you the choice as to which one of these glasses you want to drink from every day. I have not given you any concrete evidence about the levels of toxicity.. or really proved anything.. but I'm giving you no pressure and allowing you to choose your glass. Which do you choose?
This is not an attempt to knock any product.. just to stir some thinking. I personally want to replace my "stems" with some of Clear Domes glass ones when they are available anyway. Awesome looking glass, CD!
Both sides are absolutely convinced they are right... quite passionate about it.. and uninterested in hearing the other side no matter what. Here's an example that will probably stir things, but seems quite appropriate
There are two glasses of liquid on the counter. The one on the right contains pure water. The one on the left also contains water, but MAY contain a small amount of a toxic contaminant. I said MAY CONTAIN... I'm going to even go as far as to tell you that even if it does, it is probably such a small amount that you could drink glasses of this water day after day for the rest of your life with no negative effects. I could tell you that I have drank this water every day since I was a baby. I appear to be 100% healthy to you (in this example). Yet, it MAY contain small amounts of a contaminant that is toxic to you. Now I'm going to give you the choice as to which one of these glasses you want to drink from every day. I have not given you any concrete evidence about the levels of toxicity.. or really proved anything.. but I'm giving you no pressure and allowing you to choose your glass. Which do you choose?
This is not an attempt to knock any product.. just to stir some thinking. I personally want to replace my "stems" with some of Clear Domes glass ones when they are available anyway. Awesome looking glass, CD!
Hanibal Lectin
Well-Known Member
when I looked into it the only info I could find is that it would take 900 plus degrees to release the tiny bit of lead in brass
collegerower
Well-Known Member
Oh no. I thought we were past this...
I'm sorry , I know that once again I will look like a dick but I have to make a choice , a choice that will make me lost a tone of money :/ but still ...I have made the choice to not make glass MZ stem as the tips contain lead and for some reason I can not and dont want to be associate with lead. Think what you want , in fact I dont care .
if the lead was so problematic and cause so much confusion than why does Rick just dont make them in Stainless ? this way no one could doubt about the toxicity ....anyway I dont want to stir old shit , that was just my ...
if the lead was so problematic and cause so much confusion than why does Rick just dont make them in Stainless ? this way no one could doubt about the toxicity ....anyway I dont want to stir old shit , that was just my
...What do you think about Woodeez stems CD? Also couldnt MZ users just use a glass PD stem or WZ if they are all around the same sive bowl???Clear_Dome said:I'm sorry , I know that once again I will look like a dick but I have to make a choice , a choice that will make me lost a tone of money :/ but still ...I have made the choice to not make glass MZ stem as the tips contain lead and for some reason I can not and dont want to be associate with lead. Think what you want , in fact I dont care .
if the lead was so problematic and cause so much confusion than why does Rick just dont make them in Stainless ? this way no one could doubt about the toxicity ....anyway I dont want to stir old shit , that was just my
EDIT: My bad I went a page back and I read the stems arnt compatable...
Rick
Zapman
We ARE past this but apparently some like to live in the past.
C_D, why don't you enlighten us by letting us know who planted the "bad brass" thought in your head?
There is no confusion about the issue. False claims are just that and are made to promote sales of another product. That is fine with me but it does not change the facts relating to the issue.
C_D, perhaps you might elaborate of the bonding agent you use to affix the SS tip to the glass?
Sorry we could not hook you up with brass tips as you had asked me about. But then it is soooooo good to stay safe! Good luck with your project and thanks for your thorough research on the brass issue.
edited for:
MZ stems DO work in the PD and WDZ, BTW Clear_Dome, but not the reverse.
C_D, why don't you enlighten us by letting us know who planted the "bad brass" thought in your head?
There is no confusion about the issue. False claims are just that and are made to promote sales of another product. That is fine with me but it does not change the facts relating to the issue.
C_D, perhaps you might elaborate of the bonding agent you use to affix the SS tip to the glass?
Sorry we could not hook you up with brass tips as you had asked me about. But then it is soooooo good to stay safe! Good luck with your project and thanks for your thorough research on the brass issue.
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MZ stems DO work in the PD and WDZ, BTW Clear_Dome, but not the reverse.
max
Out to lunch
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hahah here we go ... so the compound I use is 100% safe , you can even eat it if you want as it is non toxic even by heating it (that's what the compagnie told me) . the reason why it took me so many time to make those stem is because I thought that a compound like this was not existing .
Rick : I have to apologize myself if I made you work to find the tips but I was ignoring that the tips contain lead ,if you want to be assosiate with lead than it is your choise, I prefer chosing safety over $ . No need to be bitter with me tho , like I said you can think what you want , I dont care . if the brass cause so much confusion than why dont you just make it with SS , everyone should be happy, no ?
pbmagnet4 : I feel bad about the bad about the brass as I have doubt about the safety of this material , I always been a glass purist (if that word made any sence in english) , when people say a vap is vap it is just like saying that a bong is a bong ....this is just not the way I think but feel free to think differently .in other hand I'm SURE that stainless is safe so I can't be wrong , I use my vaporizer maybe 10 time per day , each days , so that make a lot of contact with this ''inhaling device'' . If the tips fit with each other , I dont know , I heard that WZ and PD fit but PD and MZ dont ....I dont know , I just own and use a PD .
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OUPS I havent seen you post max ....let me know If i'm crossing any rules , I have been out of the forum for so long that I can remember all . but still I keep trying to be nice and gentle
Rick : I have to apologize myself if I made you work to find the tips but I was ignoring that the tips contain lead ,if you want to be assosiate with lead than it is your choise, I prefer chosing safety over $ . No need to be bitter with me tho , like I said you can think what you want , I dont care . if the brass cause so much confusion than why dont you just make it with SS , everyone should be happy, no ?
pbmagnet4 : I feel bad about the bad about the brass as I have doubt about the safety of this material , I always been a glass purist (if that word made any sence in english) , when people say a vap is vap it is just like saying that a bong is a bong ....this is just not the way I think but feel free to think differently .in other hand I'm SURE that stainless is safe so I can't be wrong , I use my vaporizer maybe 10 time per day , each days , so that make a lot of contact with this ''inhaling device'' . If the tips fit with each other , I dont know , I heard that WZ and PD fit but PD and MZ dont ....I dont know , I just own and use a PD .
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OUPS I havent seen you post max ....let me know If i'm crossing any rules , I have been out of the forum for so long that I can remember all . but still I keep trying to be nice and gentle
lwien
Well-Known Member
CD, it's not just the bowls that are made from brass, but rather the whole heat exchanger from which the air is heated is also made from brass, so if Rick ever desired to eliminate brass, it would be a major overhaul.Clear_Dome said:
I'm not suggesting here that brass is safe or not, but just clarifying a fact.