Aromazap/Myrtlezap/CeramicRockZap

[B.]

Nice piece.

I just posted this in the SSV thread, but thought it may be relevant here too.

So I just loaded what I normally pack into a Myrtle Zap stem(straw method until it's overflowing, gently packed so it's even with the stem, I like my MZ draws easy) into my SSV wand and hit my bong with it, and noticed a couple of big differences.

1. The MZ produced thicker vapor than the SSV, but only for the first hit. I can easily get the SSV to give me thicker hits, I just have to load way more into the bowl. The second and third hits were very nice with the SSV, and after that very wispy, with the MZ it's pretty wispy from the second hit on.

2. They both got me to about the same place in the same amount of time with the same amount of bud, just in slightly different ways. I think the SSV hit quicker, but who knows. I'd have to test that out more scientifically.

Also, before I did this test, I loaded what I thought would be a good amount for one solo session into my SSV wand. It was finely ground, a little less than 1/4 full, gently packed. I then unloaded the wand, and packed the pile into an MZ stem to see how many stem loads it was equal to, using my normal straw suck and pack method. I got 4 stems nicely loaded out of that pile. Usually 2 stems in one session is enough to get me good, and maybe an hour later I'll start to take supplemetal hits to sustain if I don't have to go to bed early. If I were using my SSV, I would have cashed the wandload, equal to 4 stems, followed by the supplemental hits later on.

So I basically discovered I only need to load half of what I percieved to be a solid dose in my SSV wand to get to where I want to be, which rocks

 

[Cr8z13]

Lovely Zap, VaporHead. She's a real looker!

 

[lwien]

So I basically discovered I only need to load half of what I percieved to be a solid dose in my SSV wand to get to where I want to be, which rocks

Which I guess goes to prove that the PD/Zap's aren't mechanically more efficient than a whip vape like the SSV, but rather they just encourage you to be more efficient due to it's smaller bowl, eh?

 

[mflores213]

So I received the 13.5 with my mail today.

It's been raining all day and its pretty cold. The new beefed up MZ(13.5v) kicked my ass. Pack my bowls full but loose enough for air to move through and I draw nice n slow before I know it im coughing and in "nuve9" aka cloud9

Tried w/ the bong earlier but didn't quite work for me maybe I hit it too hard might try later.
Question: Wouldn't it be more efficient to draw straight from the MZ stem rather than having the vapor travel down into the water through the bong?:/

 

[lwien]

Question: Wouldn't it be more efficient to draw straight from the MZ stem rather than having the vapor travel down into the water through the bong?:/

Don't have to use water. I just use ice. For me, it works better.

 

[collegerower]

Question: The wife works as a server. So what would be a good portable vaporizer for her situation? Currently she smokes on her brakes and sprays her self so she smells gurly. So a vaporizer would be great for her MZ is out of the question for warm up time reasons.

Sounds like a perfect use for a VaporGenie.

 

[mflores213]

Question: Wouldn't it be more efficient to draw straight from the MZ stem rather than having the vapor travel down into the water through the bong?:/

Don't have to use water. I just use ice. For me, it works better.

Either way the path it takes. And is ice really needed? just as water? since it is vapor not smoke?

 

[lwien]

Question: Wouldn't it be more efficient to draw straight from the MZ stem rather than having the vapor travel down into the water through the bong?:/

Don't have to use water. I just use ice. For me, it works better.

Either way the path it takes. And is ice really needed? just as water? since it is vapor not smoke?

I just find that with water, it's a bit tougher to gauge my vapor hits and I like the ice because it really cools things off and allows me to take a bigger hit.

I also experimented a bit and just found that I got a bit higher when I don't filter my vapor thru water. Don't have any scientific explanation for that, but it's just been my experience.

I just like using the bong when I want to get where I want to be.......quicker.

 

[mflores213]

I just like using the bong when I want to get where I want to be.......quicker.

For sure Ill give your method a try...

 

[mnmlh]

With the bong and the 13.5, I am seeing similar results as posted by B., which was an informative post btw. I get 2 decent hits, the first being pretty thick. Just in general, with the higher voltage plugged in, the stem doesn't last as long. Mine bud is getting super dark now, bordering on black sometimes. Working good in my opinion!

 

[AGBeer]

With the bong and the 13.5, I am seeing similar results as posted by B., which was an informative post btw. I get 2 decent hits, the first being pretty thick. Just in general, with the higher voltage plugged in, the stem doesn't last as long. Mine bud is getting super dark now, bordering on black sometimes. Working good in my opinion!

+1 to this. 13.5+bong-rizzle= really dark spot on my herb after a few GOOD hits.

I might try it with just ice and see if I notice a difference.

Im still playing with stem directly in the downstem and silicon tubing methods. I think Im still leaning towards silicon tubing method.

 

[MoeOnTheMoon]

Here's my Myrtlezap- I think she's a beauty. Rick shipped it on a saturday, and I got it on a monday (just like my launchbox!)
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/8917/photomi.jpg

Admittedly I just hit some really good herb... but that Zap looks like some kind of abstract tribal painting or something. That thing's got all kinds of shit going on in it! Very nice!

 

[MoeOnTheMoon]

With the bong and the 13.5, I am seeing similar results as posted by B., which was an informative post btw. I get 2 decent hits, the first being pretty thick. Just in general, with the higher voltage plugged in, the stem doesn't last as long. Mine bud is getting super dark now, bordering on black sometimes. Working good in my opinion!

+1 to this. 13.5+bong-rizzle= really dark spot on my herb after a few GOOD hits.

I might try it with just ice and see if I notice a difference.

Im still playing with stem directly in the downstem and silicon tubing methods. I think Im still leaning towards silicon tubing method.

Maybe you get bigger hits with just ice because you don't have the resistance of the air being pulled through water?

 

[aero18]

Is anyone else's black plastic (around the LED) pealing? It looks like mine is literally melting...

 

[B.]

I go stem directly into downstem.

 

[lwien]

I go stem directly into downstem.

Me too.

 

[mnmlh]

Is anyone else's black plastic (around the LED) pealing? It looks like mine is literally melting...

Not mine. It looks like the plastic may have gotten a little scratched and collected some zapolish though. I wouldn't notice it unless I was about a foot away under a bright light. Yours sounds more serious than that.

VaporHand - cool zap! I love how all of these are so different.

 

[mnmlh]

I go stem directly into downstem.

I've been meaning to take pics of the new setup. Thanks to Rick, I have a few custom sized pieces for using with glass. The piece of stem stock is much better than a GonG adapter in my opinion. It's light, won't break or damage your stem and keeps the same flow rate at both ends of the tube.

 

[aero18]

Is anyone else's black plastic (around the LED) pealing? It looks like mine is literally melting...

Not mine. It looks like the plastic may have gotten a little scratched and collected some zapolish though. I wouldn't notice it unless I was about a foot away under a bright light. Yours sounds more serious than that.

Yeah. It is pealing even. I don't know if it is the plastic or the polish that is peeling, but the plastic is definitely distorted.

 

[mflores213]

I don't know if it is the plastic or the polish that is peeling, but the plastic is definitely distorted.

Are you leaving the 13.5v plugged in? MZ meant to run 24/7 on 12v.

 

[Rick]

aero18 and others
Never have heard of the led mount peeling or melting but with all the extra heat going on with these babies, I am not surprised there could be some negative consequences. The Zap is designed to be run on 12 volts. We offer the 13.5 to those who want thicker vapor than the Zap produces on 12 volts. We recommend using the 13.5 ONLY for those sessions and keeping the Zap on idle at 12 volts for the rest of the time. You all will also find that if you go back to the 12 volt, you may be surprised at the vapor produced. We never use a 13.5 on Zaps around here that are well broke in.
Give the little sweeties a break and let them run warm once in awhile. We could come up with several analogies about pushing ANYTHING hard and possible results.
All you 13.5'ers out there, keep an eye on the led mount. Keep us posted. Zapville has some good Beta testers in FC land.
Try the 12 volt transformer again and see if the results are closer to what you want than when the unit was new.
Lotsa hot Wood out there.
Almost everything going out these days is similar to VaporHands as far as uniqueness goes. Different colors and grains and swirlies. Not alot of the heavy marbling but still a dash or two here and there.

 

[FEAR420]

I have to agree with Rick on this one guys....When we bought the units we were told NOT to leave the 13.5's in all the time. If you are indeed doing that,then you pretty much did it yourself. On the other hand,these units are running at 300F+ internally,so who knows if maybe Rick just sunk one in too far or if its melting due to heat,etc,etc...Try doing a process of elimination. Do you leave the 13.5V in all the time? Does the LED look to be sunk in REALLY DEEP?

 

[Rick]

We have been shortening the Myrtles up a bit to try to squeeze everything we can out of that nice wood. Not much, maybe 1/4 to 1/2" at the most but that does put the led closer to the heat chamber. Maybe if we stretch them out a bit that would not happen.
In case anybody is wondering, that lower chamber only houses the wiring and is not connected to the heat chamber. So IF any led mounting hardware is melting, it is not in the vapor flow.
Wonder if they have metal led mounts? Not sure how that would look.
As I said earlier, this is the first time I have heard of this in a Zap. Keep us posted as we want to know if this is common with the 13.5s or if anyone has seen it in their Zap.

 

[obelisk]

wow, vaporhand-- that is a good looking zapper you got there! nice!

 

[VaporHand]

THanks everybody- yeah- i really like my mzap- Thanks rick!
I've been using the 13.5 now and then, and it definitely makes a difference right now. I do hope that i'll be able to ONLY use the 12 in the future, because I like having my zap hooked up to a timer, so its all ready to go right when I'm done working. I don't feel comfortable leaving the zap hooked up to the 13.5, because (like rick said) we aren't supposed to-
Really i guess... i'm just sick of switching plugs. hahahaha

Is there an advantage to running the mzap/bong tube into a bowl, then the bowl into the stem? or can you go directly from mzap to the stem?