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Shit Snacks

Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAAA! (TM/FW7/OAB/CC-H&A)
No offense, but this sounds like a pretty geeked out custom setup, not clean, integrated system.

Haha I'm not offended, but you asked, it is geeked out and custom, but it is very clean and feels integrated in use...

Isn't this a little funky to store and use? IE: if you wanted to put the TB on a coffee table in front of you, it's just a cup - whereas this setup will be the TM, a separate glass pipe adapter next to it ready to be loaded or popping out of the top of it, then that big separate glass piece you'd have to always keep off to the side, since the TM goes in vertically, you couldn't store it all together, right?

No, you lie it down on its side on the table, which is how I would set the TM down always regardless, I would never set it down with the stem pointing up... You can remove the TM from the jayhook, but either way I am lying them on the widest side flat on the table... I remove the J hook when not in use, but if I am in the middle of a bowl, I keep the hook attached lying on the table, it is quite compact, and in the hands easy to hold in one hand together... Takes up a little bit more room on the table than TB, sure, but worthwhile, check these photos my man:

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If I understand it correctly, it's not really an apples to apples - as when you want to use this "setup" you have a bunch of equipment you've got to deal with (grinder, rolling tray or some sort of paper to put ground material on to load into the $5 pods or direct into the bowl each time), the water pipe adapter, the large bent glass cooling pipe and the actual Tinymight? That's a lot of kit. If you want to use it - you grind and load up the TM WPA with ground material, then affix the WPA to the TM device, then grab the glass pipe, invert the TM with WPA vertically and affix it to the glass pipe, take a few rips, then pull the TM/WPA from the glass pipe, clear it, set the glass pipe down, pull the WPA from the TM, remove the used material, and should you want a round two, repeat? That's involved. Even if you use the TM pods, and pre-load it, it still won't be as elegant as the TB with the potter, which is drop a couple pieces in the grinder, give it a few twists and you have four ceramic pots ready to go. To use it, pull out the stem, drop a pot in, push the stem back, then push a button. Round two? Pull out the stem, swap the used pot with a fresh one, pop the stem back in - and you're ready to launch.

It is apples to apples, I'm talking hit for hit, taste and effect, you asked if it had better flavor, we weren't talking about all in one design, sleek industrial build or automatic features...

First of all the pods with the TM are not good, it's better to load the glass stem and basket screen as shown in my photos above, in my experience, much quicker and easier to load, talk about simpler, I think it is a little more tedious having the separate chamber pots from the stem with TB personally.

You have a grinder, you can load from it directly into the basket screen inside your glass stem WPA, many people suck it up like a glass straw, then you insert it into the TM, with TM upside down, then insert the TM into the hook...

Dude you do not need to repeat all those steps in that way, you are way overthinking it and overcomplicating it, I assure you in my usage is extremely simple and compact with minimal effort, it is not as simple as the TB, which I never said it was, again this was about potential better vapor quality!

I do not like to use the potter with my TB anyway, I only really use brilliant cut grinders (and occasionally flower mill) and I also only use one chamber pot with my TB at a time, I use it similar to how I use my TM, which is why I shared this hook with you and the other details of my usage style, because I use the TM and the TB in a similar fashion this way and definitely prefer the TM for a variety of reasons...

The TB I can leave out on a table with minimal risk of it getting noticed, or damaged, but with the TM "kit" I have paraphernalia all over, some of which are quite delicate.

Yeah, I never said the TM was hiding in plain sight the way the TB can, and absolutely looks more like paraphernalia, or like I said, potentially in e-cig depending on the setup... Yes glass is more delicate, there are trade-offs, I think they are well worth it for the benefits...

With that in mind - other than the faster heat up time, I'm not sure why/when I'd use that setup over the Herborizer Ti, if I was going to have a whole "kit" out. I'll still give it a whirl, but this wacky setup sounds more like a battery powered on demand desktop, than a handheld.

Faster heat up time? I feel like you misread a lot of what I said, because I specifically said the TM probably heats up slower than the TB, being less instant, though both are on demand and near instant for my needs (TM heat up also depends on the temperature setting and battery as I said, similar to TB)

Haha yeah battery powered on demand desktop, but it is mobile, that is the key, not having to plug it in, like the TB, but again this started with you saying you would buy it if the flavor was going to be better which I assured you it would be, particularly if you used it the way I am! lol

I understand the appeal - quick heat up time, lack of wires, and high-end desktop levels of smooth flavor... but it doesn't really seem to be a like for like comparing that setup the TB, more like a more portable comparo to the Herborizer.

Don't get me wrong, I have come to really enjoy plug-in units especially the ones from cloud connoisseur (Halo and Atlas) now, but I will always appreciate the freedom of a good portable, that doesn't sacrifice on the vapor quality and versatility, quicker and easier to use during the day for me, in many situations...

Truly it is difficult to compare any of these, they are all so different, when you get into the design styles and particulars, but hit for hit, especially with pure convection, the comparisons make more sense, when you've been around the block trying most every option available and heavily researching the others as a part of the community for many years... If you follow what I am saying, get your TM set up this way that I am trying to explain, it should be hit for hit comparable to the TB and outperform it, but it is tough to be the all-in-one convenience and consistency the TB offers as a more mainstream user, less of an enthusiast, you know??

I mean you certainly seem enthused, but not as enthused as me with my exhaustively enthusiastic collection and experience ;):rofl::peace:
 

Sneech

Well-Known Member
Thanks for your input. I just placed an order, and for simplicity's sake, added all of the accessories to it (3D stem, water bubbler, etc). Will order a Grav and sapphire bead setup as well to test. I've really got to get off my duff and fire up that Herborizer this weekend to see what all the fuss is about.
Boy would I love to have your disposable income! 🤑👽
When you get your TM and use your Herborizer let us know how you like them compared to the TB and S&B products you already have!

@Shit Snacks Have you ever tried putting a tiny bit of water in the bottom of that triple right angle j hook? I'm assuming no due to how you lay it down after each hit and the already decent cooling from the 3 right angles... How about using any other water pieces with the TM?

I was just curious as I currently use my Lotus with a standard curved J hook and prefer having 1tbsp water down in the hook for a bit of extra cooling and filtration. After 1 session the water does turn a cloudy yellow so it def filters out quite a bit, while leaving the vapor very tasty.

I will most likely pick up the TM soon, do you know if they offer any good deals around 4/20?
 
Sneech,

bossman

Gentleman Of Leisure
@Shit Snacks Have you ever tried putting a tiny bit of water in the bottom of that triple right angle j hook? I'm assuming no due to how you lay it down after each hit and the already decent cooling from the 3 right angles... How about using any other water pieces with the TM?

I was just curious as I currently use my Lotus with a standard curved J hook and prefer having 1tbsp water down in the hook for a bit of extra cooling and filtration. After 1 session the water does turn a cloudy yellow so it def filters out quite a bit, while leaving the vapor very tasty.

I will most likely pick up the TM soon, do you know if they offer any good deals around 4/20?
Goodness no he's not putting water in his j-hooks!

TM is always the same price, no 420 discounts. Always in stock though so no batch drop hassles.

@Shit Snacks you have a Franciscan patience my friend! :bang:
 

Sneech

Well-Known Member
Goodness no he's not putting water in his j-hooks!

TM is always the same price, no 420 discounts. Always in stock though so no batch drop hassles.

@Shit Snacks you have a Franciscan patience my friend! :bang:
It was here on FC I first learned about people adding water to their J-hooks. It is not an uncommon thing. I tried both and I do prefer it. To each their own I guess!
 

JollyGreenGiant

Active Member
Haha I'm not offended, but you asked, it is geeked out and custom, but it is very clean and feels integrated in use...



No, you lie it down on its side on the table, which is how I would set the TM down always regardless, I would never set it down with the stem pointing up... You can remove the TM from the jayhook, but either way I am lying them on the widest side flat on the table... I remove the J hook when not in use, but if I am in the middle of a bowl, I keep the hook attached lying on the table, it is quite compact, and in the hands easy to hold in one hand together... Takes up a little bit more room on the table than TB, sure, but worthwhile, check these photos my man:

PXL-20210429-201733551.jpg


PXL-20210401-191823632.jpg


PXL-20210316-221101740.jpg


PXL-20210113-070518722.jpg




It is apples to apples, I'm talking hit for hit, taste and effect, you asked if it had better flavor, we weren't talking about all in one design, sleek industrial build or automatic features...

First of all the pods with the TM are not good, it's better to load the glass stem and basket screen as shown in my photos above, in my experience, much quicker and easier to load, talk about simpler, I think it is a little more tedious having the separate chamber pots from the stem with TB personally.

You have a grinder, you can load from it directly into the basket screen inside your glass stem WPA, many people suck it up like a glass straw, then you insert it into the TM, with TM upside down, then insert the TM into the hook...

Dude you do not need to repeat all those steps in that way, you are way overthinking it and overcomplicating it, I assure you in my usage is extremely simple and compact with minimal effort, it is not as simple as the TB, which I never said it was, again this was about potential better vapor quality!

I do not like to use the potter with my TB anyway, I only really use brilliant cut grinders (and occasionally flower mill) and I also only use one chamber pot with my TB at a time, I use it similar to how I use my TM, which is why I shared this hook with you and the other details of my usage style, because I use the TM and the TB in a similar fashion this way and definitely prefer the TM for a variety of reasons...



Yeah, I never said the TM was hiding in plain sight the way the TB can, and absolutely looks more like paraphernalia, or like I said, potentially in e-cig depending on the setup... Yes glass is more delicate, there are trade-offs, I think they are well worth it for the benefits...



Faster heat up time? I feel like you misread a lot of what I said, because I specifically said the TM probably heats up slower than the TB, being less instant, though both are on demand and near instant for my needs (TM heat up also depends on the temperature setting and battery as I said, similar to TB)

Haha yeah battery powered on demand desktop, but it is mobile, that is the key, not having to plug it in, like the TB, but again this started with you saying you would buy it if the flavor was going to be better which I assured you it would be, particularly if you used it the way I am! lol



Don't get me wrong, I have come to really enjoy plug-in units especially the ones from cloud connoisseur (Halo and Atlas) now, but I will always appreciate the freedom of a good portable, that doesn't sacrifice on the vapor quality and versatility, quicker and easier to use during the day for me, in many situations...

Truly it is difficult to compare any of these, they are all so different, when you get into the design styles and particulars, but hit for hit, especially with pure convection, the comparisons make more sense, when you've been around the block trying most every option available and heavily researching the others as a part of the community for many years... If you follow what I am saying, get your TM set up this way that I am trying to explain, it should be hit for hit comparable to the TB and outperform it, but it is tough to be the all-in-one convenience and consistency the TB offers as a more mainstream user, less of an enthusiast, you know??

I mean you certainly seem enthused, but not as enthused as me with my exhaustively enthusiastic collection and experience ;):rofl::peace:

Very helpful - seeing the pics certainly makes it come to life. One small clarification - I think you misread a number of the comments. For instance - you misread my comment on heat up times. If you look again at the quote you copied, my comment specifically was around the Herborizer Ti vs the TM J hook setup, where I was saying other than the wires and the heat up time (Herborizer Ti definitely heats up slower than the TM) I’m not sure I understand why I’d use the TM over ther Herborizer Ti. I am aware the TB heats up a little faster, but 2 seconds vs 5 or so is somewhat of a wash. 5 min heat up times for the Herborizer Ti though, is an eternity compared to the 5 or so seconds of the TM.

Definitely looking forward to playing around with the geeked out TM setup though, and I’ll hold further judgement on the design and practicality until I have it in hand and have put some mileage on it.
 

Shit Snacks

Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAAA! (TM/FW7/OAB/CC-H&A)
@Shit Snacks Have you ever tried putting a tiny bit of water in the bottom of that triple right angle j hook? I'm assuming no due to how you lay it down after each hit and the already decent cooling from the 3 right angles... How about using any other water pieces with the TM?

Hey dude, no I have not tried that, correct it would be a problem to set it down, but also I see no benefit, Yeah the right angles are very effective, and catching the debris, I suppose if you had water there, all the debris would sit in the water maybe and you could pour it out easier, but if it keeps moving around because you want to set it down, etc I think it would make it dirtier really and be more hassle? Minimal reward if any really imo

I don't use my TM with water as much as say my Tetra, but I am discovering it to be enjoyable with Biao sake bottle bong, great with my GooRoo bubblers, TAG super slit and other showerhead bubblers, even recyclers like a fountain klein incycler and RBR style rigs... Haven't used hydro tubes in a while but they do work well of course too! The CaliBear tall straight fab FOL rig it's the one that I like to use without water especially with the TM...

I was just curious as I currently use my Lotus with a standard curved J hook and prefer having 1tbsp water down in the hook for a bit of extra cooling and filtration. After 1 session the water does turn a cloudy yellow so it def filters out quite a bit, while leaving the vapor very tasty.

Yeah so I don't not like changing water that often, for me the benefit of the hooks is dry cooling without water, more my daytime style, more mobile as well around the house potentially, but yeah I think a curved hook does this better, especially if there is a deep curve, there are some hooks that really lend themselves to it better than others, on the edge gate popular glass sells this beehive hook that has a big chamber and down stem for water, someone in the cheap glass thread posted how they really like to using it without the down stem so the water just cooled a bit without filtering, you are not alone! lol

I will most likely pick up the TM soon, do you know if they offer any good deals around 4/20?

There has never been a sale on the TM since it was introduced, so don't expect anything like that...

Goodness no he's not putting water in his j-hooks!

TM is always the same price, no 420 discounts. Always in stock though so no batch drop hassles.

@Shit Snacks you have a Franciscan patience my friend! :bang:

:rofl:Thanks bud, yeah I just really don't want to deal with the other responsibilities in my life so I spend way too much time here with stuff like this, writing too much! But I like to share the knowledge I gained thanks to this place :D

It was here on FC I first learned about people adding water to their J-hooks. It is not an uncommon thing. I tried both and I do prefer it. To each their own I guess!

Yeah like I described above, I've definitely seen others do it, but I've never wanted to try it myself...

Very helpful - seeing the pics certainly makes it come to life. One small clarification - I think you misread a number of the comments. For instance - you misread my comment on heat up times. If you look again at the quote you copied, my comment specifically was around the Herborizer Ti vs the TM J hook setup, where I was saying other than the wires and the heat up time (Herborizer Ti definitely heats up slower than the TM)

Ah, yes, that was my mistake, I have forgot that the Herborizer also has their own footed hook, but I think you got the bubbler with yours? You can use that bubbler with your TM though and it should work well too... Yeah I don't know how fast the Herbo heats up up for the first time, from cold when you plug it in, most take at least a few minutes to warm up, sometimes it's fun to use a quick battery-powered on-demand vape during that time lol

I’m not sure I understand why I’d use the TM over ther Herborizer Ti. I am aware the TB heats up a little faster, but 2 seconds vs 5 or so is somewhat of a wash. 5 min heat up times for the Herborizer Ti though, is an eternity compared to the 5 or so seconds of the TM.

Ah Yes exactly, of course since you will be using herbo more sparingly anyway a 5-minute heat up is not a big deal, but that's just it, herbo is more for special occasions? TM can be used more regularly, and more mobile around the house, I mean even with the triple right angle hook it can fit in your pocket much easier than a TB... Thought you need to be careful with glass, of course, I think it's worth the trade-off of vapor quality etc! Also the opportunity to use the smaller glass pieces with TM among other things?

Definitely looking forward to playing around with the geeked out TM setup though, and I’ll hold further judgement on the design and practicality until I have it in hand and have put some mileage on it.

Sounds good! Yeah try to spend time with it, all on its own, to get to know it when it arrives, it is always a learning curve with vapes like this, and it's hard to really imagine stuff until you have it in your hands even when you are doing a lot of research reading here... You definitely did not need it, you were pretty well set with TB and Herbo, but I think you will have fun at least playing around with one of the best portables ever (Yeah I said it!)
 

JollyGreenGiant

Active Member
Sorry, my comment about @Shit Snacks' patience wasn't about your j-hook idea. I meant he was being exceedingly patient with the OP. My fault 🙏

Real classy. The incredibly knowledgeable and helpful @Shit Snacks is providing stellar info and advice, i'm following it to a "t" and asking clarifying questions and trying to delve deeper into understanding his perspective and the gear he's recommending (pro's and con's) so I use it correctly and assemble the right components, and i'm buying it off of the sole suggestions from folks on this forum, so i'm not merely kicking tires, or wasting folks time - and intend to "pay it forward" by sharing my experiences with folks who might be considering one device or another, to add value to this community and provide another data point for perspective buyers. This thread and his suggestions will live on for many years, and likely help quite a few folks make a more informed decision in the future... and send more business to small, startup companies that i'm sure are thrilled to see the business heading their way. It's disappointing, the only value you can add is to try to discourage this kind of helpful discourse by pointing out it is some form of annoying labor, while tossing a pejorative slight my way.

Forums exist for learning, the sharing of ideas and cordial discourse to help educate neophytes like myself - not for passive aggressive snips. I pity you, bossman, as if you must take meaningless jabs at others on such a laid back and positive/helpful community such as this, you must be an unhappy person. Do me a favor - block me (i'll be doing so for you) so you don't have to see my posts anymore, and then slither back underneath the bridge from whence you came.
 
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Berzzerkker

Active Member
Real classy. The incredibly knowledgeable and helpful @Shit Snacks is providing stellar info and advice, i'm following it to a "t" and asking clarifying questions and trying to delve deeper into understanding his perspective and the gear he's recommending (pro's and con's) so I use it correctly and assemble the right components, and i'm buying it off of the sole suggestions from folks on this forum, so i'm not merely kicking tires, or wasting folks time - and intend to "pay it forward" by sharing my experiences with folks who might be considering one device or another, to add value to this community and provide another data point for perspective buyers. This thread and his suggestions will live on for many years, and likely help quite a few folks make a more informed decision in the future... and send more business to small, startup companies that i'm sure are thrilled to see the business heading their way. It's disappointing, the only value you can add is to try to discourage this kind of helpful discourse by pointing out it is some form of annoying labor, while tossing a pejorative slight my way.

Forums exist for learning, the sharing of ideas and cordial discourse to help educate neophytes like myself -

I agree, incredibly knowledgeable, helpful, kind, and compassionate and the posts & advice have helped me greatly!!

Shit Snacks rocks!

Although I always pictured a more female persona, rather than male.

Is that "politically/socially" incorrect these days?

If so, my apologies...
 
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Shit Snacks

Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAAA! (TM/FW7/OAB/CC-H&A)
For the record, I get what @bossman was saying, perhaps a bit harsh, he himself is typically more than patient with new members asking questions, he helps a lot with the RBT Splinter in particular over there and he has been helpful with the TM in AskFC threads like this... I'm sure he will apologize @JollyGreenGiant I wouldn't be too quick to ignore, but it is good that that feature exists here for sure, some people's personalities just cannot jive is all!

@Berzzerkker the fact that you're thinking about it at all demonstrates empathetic consideration so good for you! Yes my avatar is Pam from the show Archer haha though I appreciate the mysterious gender neutrality it creates for me as well (maybe I am like a non-caring semi non-binary lol)

Thank you all for the kind words, I've gotten so much out of this community, so it is a privilege to be able to give back so much!
 
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