RandomWire
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ok... i just build a space coil few minutes before and it works all fine
hmmm.... i thought its not necessary to do this with ss316l ...
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Advanced THC e-Juice / mods / tanks / coils / builds / recipes
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ok... i just build a space coil few minutes before and it works all fine
hmmm.... i thought its not necessary to do this with ss316l ...
Steven
Well-Known Member
Your issue is with you mod. The vaporesso target mini has temperature control, but it does not allow you to adjust wattage while in tc mode. This means, your mod will always flash 40watts and then taper off and adjust for tc. While in more capable mods, wattage is adjustable in tc mode, and some chips even start at a lower power and then ramps up I think. Either way, your solution is to get a mod that can adjust wattage in tc mode. As like you, I always prefer to use tc mode because it will likely ensure cleaner hits and will prolong the life of your coils. Especially now that you are using these bigger tanks with massive airflow and bigger coils, better yet not risk any burning, which will lead to carbon deposits that will seep into your precious oils
Vape Donkey 650
All vape, no smoke please.
Ok my tank people, an update is overdue now. I've finally jumped into the distillate game, and I figured this would be a good opportunity to test some more of these new 5mm mini-donuts. I just got a new batch of 5mm donuts and made a couple of "mini donkey" cubis BF coils to utilize them. I first got my hands on a couple of these little things from the 1st failed factory prototype of the vape donkey tank, and they have been working great with some HTFSE, re-used in the proven, modified cubis pro mini BF coil head/tank. Now they are working great for distillate as well. 
A re-cap of the new build:
Top down view:
Aren't they small and cute.
I made them overlap one another, sitting as low and flat as possible at the bottom of the coil case, for maximum scavenging of oil at low tank levels. It is serving that purpose excellently, making a big, even heat zone near the center of the tank floor
side view: one donut and lead visible
here you can see the overlap of the 2 discs
this is what you must work with to wire this up properly. one wire from each donut must be wedged between the silicon plug and metal case for negative wire (not visible), and the other wire from each donut must be left open in the middle to be sealed with the positive 510 pin. It is very difficult to hold both donuts with the wires in position, then cap the silicon gasket, and then insert the metal cap without the donuts or wires slipping out of place. Multiple sets of tweezers, pins, tools, etc are needed. Between drilling the holes in the case and assembling the donuts, it took at least 3-4 hours in total to make this!
So many failed attempts to wire up those 2 donuts, so that when you finally think you have it wired up, plug it into the tank and the mod, and see continuity and the right Ω (0.50Ω) it is so satisfying!
Then add the little loop of readyx ceramic wick on top. My earlier 5mm donut build for HTFSE is working fine, minus wick, which I opted for the purpose of it not being a conduit for reclaim gunk (htfse will gunk up after hundreds of hits and degrade the taste somewhat) but from test-dabbing distillates on a DTV3 donut, I notice it leaves hardly no residue/reclaim behind when empty, so perhaps a little wick can help keep the donuts wet and act as a spit-guard, without fouling taste. So far, it seems to be doing that job fine
One of my many TC mods, which was powering one of my several DTV3 donuts. Since I have enough of those in operation already, and don't want to buy more mods, this black evic has been re-assigned to 5mm distillate tank duty.
filled and ready to go
top down view with the drip-tip removed: peek-a-boo, I see wet donuts
So this new distillate tank: working great right away I'll get more into that, but I followed my success by making another dual 5mm donut coil for another distillate evic / cubis pro mini mod the following day 
Above here is the new one, top down view, as close to a copy as the earlier one as possible. A 7mm donut, and an empty vaporesso EUC atomizer coil case next to it, for comparison. With the tiny, restrictive orofice on top of the smaller EUC case, you can see how spitting/chimney clogging has been an issue for me with co2 oil
and also how it severely limits rebuilding possibilities 
wicked up for the cubis
top air / mounted, bottom-feeding coils for the cubis
and filled up....
normally i keep this evic skinned-up, but nude here for the photo shoot. the rose-gold color is my favorite
Hard to get good focus on the close up but you can see the light distillate hue and one donut....
Re-robed
So...how does it work?
Great...
For those of you still "vaping" (burning) oil on little high-ohm, non-temp controlled "vape pens" even with "cCells" you really don't know what you're missing.
Even compared to the much more formidable new line of vaporesso cCell coil tanks, a tank atomizer coil with alumina (not silica) ceramic heaters makes for a much smoother, tastier TC vape, with less exposed heater-coil wire, and the donuts are much less porous than the silica rods, which makes for less gunking and better long-term flavor retention potential. The little 5mm donuts "punch above their weight" and make nearly / as much vapor as dual 7mm donuts, but it allows me to cover more of a hot spot near to the floor, where you want heat.
TCR 245 is good for small donuts, 18-24w makes for <2 second warmup, and it makes plenty of vapor as low as 330-340F, but I'm settled around 360-365F for now with 2/5 or 3/5 airflow holes open.
With plenty of airflow inside the case, clogging is not an issue at all. I'm only getting slight spitting if I super-huff on the MP as hard as I can.
As for the distillate oil itself... its ok
Not great, but ok. It's surely potent, and has a strong taste, and it is super-fluid, (terpene lubricated) so not-viscous, it runs like e-juice or water, much looser than my thinnest co2 oil, so it's ideal for tanks in that regard. It also leaves virtually no residue, unlike co2 oil, which is great, and it is keeping its low viscosity, hundreds of puffs into a single fill up. Compared to co2 oil or htfse, the vapor is visibly lighter and seems to dissipate quicker. Like live resin vapor, distillate vapor appears more sparse.
What I don't like so much is the taste. It's just pretty fake, and not-authentic tasting. Not bad, but more like e-juice, candy, or soda, not cannabis. The tastes / flavors of the strains feel arbitrary and made-up, but oh well. Compared to my friends handing me "vape pens" with 2Ω non-TC little "cCell" tanks with distillate, which have shitty airflow and burn if you hit it for more than 4 seconds, this type of setup is vaping at multiple levels above that crap gear with distillate. And I have a couple of these tanks set up (with refills to go) so I guess I'm a distillate tank vaper now too
Next will be to finally empty up that sub-par veco tank, try drilling some holes in the chimney, and to see if I can come up with any good mod ideas for the coil....
A re-cap of the new build:Top down view:
Aren't they small and cute.
I made them overlap one another, sitting as low and flat as possible at the bottom of the coil case, for maximum scavenging of oil at low tank levels. It is serving that purpose excellently, making a big, even heat zone near the center of the tank floor
side view: one donut and lead visible
here you can see the overlap of the 2 discs
this is what you must work with to wire this up properly. one wire from each donut must be wedged between the silicon plug and metal case for negative wire (not visible), and the other wire from each donut must be left open in the middle to be sealed with the positive 510 pin. It is very difficult to hold both donuts with the wires in position, then cap the silicon gasket, and then insert the metal cap without the donuts or wires slipping out of place. Multiple sets of tweezers, pins, tools, etc are needed. Between drilling the holes in the case and assembling the donuts, it took at least 3-4 hours in total to make this!
So many failed attempts to wire up those 2 donuts, so that when you finally think you have it wired up, plug it into the tank and the mod, and see continuity and the right Ω (0.50Ω) it is so satisfying!
Then add the little loop of readyx ceramic wick on top. My earlier 5mm donut build for HTFSE is working fine, minus wick, which I opted for the purpose of it not being a conduit for reclaim gunk (htfse will gunk up after hundreds of hits and degrade the taste somewhat) but from test-dabbing distillates on a DTV3 donut, I notice it leaves hardly no residue/reclaim behind when empty, so perhaps a little wick can help keep the donuts wet and act as a spit-guard, without fouling taste. So far, it seems to be doing that job fine
One of my many TC mods, which was powering one of my several DTV3 donuts. Since I have enough of those in operation already, and don't want to buy more mods, this black evic has been re-assigned to 5mm distillate tank duty.
filled and ready to go
top down view with the drip-tip removed: peek-a-boo, I see wet donuts
So this new distillate tank: working great right away
I'll get more into that, but I followed my success by making another dual 5mm donut coil for another distillate evic / cubis pro mini mod the following day
Above here is the new one, top down view, as close to a copy as the earlier one as possible. A 7mm donut, and an empty vaporesso EUC atomizer coil case next to it, for comparison. With the tiny, restrictive orofice on top of the smaller EUC case, you can see how spitting/chimney clogging has been an issue for me with co2 oil
and also how it severely limits rebuilding possibilities
wicked up for the cubis
top air / mounted, bottom-feeding coils for the cubis
and filled up....
normally i keep this evic skinned-up, but nude here for the photo shoot.
the rose-gold color is my favorite
Hard to get good focus on the close up but you can see the light distillate hue and one donut....
Re-robed
So...how does it work?
Great...
For those of you still "vaping" (burning) oil on little high-ohm, non-temp controlled "vape pens" even with "cCells" you really don't know what you're missing.Even compared to the much more formidable new line of vaporesso cCell coil tanks, a tank atomizer coil with alumina (not silica) ceramic heaters makes for a much smoother, tastier TC vape, with less exposed heater-coil wire, and the donuts are much less porous than the silica rods, which makes for less gunking and better long-term flavor retention potential. The little 5mm donuts "punch above their weight" and make nearly / as much vapor as dual 7mm donuts, but it allows me to cover more of a hot spot near to the floor, where you want heat.
TCR 245 is good for small donuts, 18-24w makes for <2 second warmup, and it makes plenty of vapor as low as 330-340F, but I'm settled around 360-365F for now with 2/5 or 3/5 airflow holes open.
With plenty of airflow inside the case, clogging is not an issue at all. I'm only getting slight spitting if I super-huff on the MP as hard as I can.
As for the distillate oil itself... its ok
Not great, but ok. It's surely potent, and has a strong taste, and it is super-fluid, (terpene lubricated) so not-viscous, it runs like e-juice or water, much looser than my thinnest co2 oil, so it's ideal for tanks in that regard. It also leaves virtually no residue, unlike co2 oil, which is great, and it is keeping its low viscosity, hundreds of puffs into a single fill up. Compared to co2 oil or htfse, the vapor is visibly lighter and seems to dissipate quicker. Like live resin vapor, distillate vapor appears more sparse.What I don't like so much is the taste. It's just pretty fake, and not-authentic tasting. Not bad, but more like e-juice, candy, or soda, not cannabis.
The tastes / flavors of the strains feel arbitrary and made-up, but oh well. Compared to my friends handing me "vape pens" with 2Ω non-TC little "cCell" tanks with distillate, which have shitty airflow and burn if you hit it for more than 4 seconds, this type of setup is vaping at multiple levels above that crap gear with distillate. And I have a couple of these tanks set up (with refills to go) so I guess I'm a distillate tank vaper now tooNext will be to finally empty up that sub-par veco tank, try drilling some holes in the chimney, and to see if I can come up with any good mod ideas for the coil....
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Vape Donkey 650
All vape, no smoke please.
Hi @RandomWire, welcome to FC, with my late response. As Steven mentioned, getting a proper mod that allows you to set the watts is important for proper TC use. But it also matters if it even has a decent chipset / sensors / software.
(the vaporesso target is not one of those mods)I have this same target mini mod, and it's TC sucks...really bad. It always burns coils / oil in TC mode on the first hit, no matter what, regardless of settings used. The software / atomizer sampling rate is just really slow and crappy.
Even with a hefty atomizer like a DTV3 with large 13mm donut, for which 40w is not an unreasonable power level, it was routinely giving me temp readings 150F over what I want with a handheld IR thermometer.
So, basically, the target mini is crap as a TC mod, and also explains why you got better results with VW mode.You are very right to want to vape in Temp Control modes! Get a new mod and you can do much better.
I've heard some better reviews on vaporesso's newer lineup of full-sized 18650 mods, but I haven't used them, and I've always had great success with the TC on joyetech / eleaf mods. 
No offense, really, but I'm surprised you like / use this type of vape, considering how I thought you dislike most load-as-you-go 510 atomizers because they gunk up and get dirty / reclaimed with concentrates, and that you really want a clean dabbing surface, that is easy to clean.
A run-of-the-mill, high-resistance vape pen cart like that is routinely burning up (combusting) your distillate, not just vaping it.Now, at least distillate oil is virtually residue-free, when vaped at low temp, so you're probably not getting super-gross on the ceramic coil with modest distillate hits on this gear, but with low airflow, clogging, pre-heating, having a tendency to leak through the bottom-airflow holes, you can do better....
Steven has had much better success with the VECO tank and distillate that I have had with it using co2 oil. If you can also get distillate in a syringe or jar, or are willing to try to remove it, the VECO is an easy upgrade, super easy to fill, set up, and change coils, and you gain the benefit of much better adjustable airflow, leak-proof, and TC for better taste and vapor! At under 20 bucks, it still seems like the best "off-the-shelf" choice for a sub-ohm RTA for concentrates, for those that don't want to "limit" (relegate) themselves to 'vape pens'
But for those of you guys who really don't think you want / need TC or refuse to upgrade to a box mod, I have come across a few "vape pen" concentrate tanks that seem to have a few superior design traits, even if lacking TC still.
http://shopkungfuvapes.com/john-fu-ceramic-with-rcp-1ml/
Only a few bucks, no TC of course, but at least it has adjustable top-airflow, so it should be leak-proof, and it has a little generic high-ohm porous silica ceramic heater (with a cotton wrap), it seems. Airflow might be a half-step or so above the standard cart. I would like to see if I could rebuild the center post with a 5mm donut so I can make it TC, if it could fit in there. (I think not, the center post probably to small or non-rebuildable? I should email them)
https://www.dhgate.com/product/itsuwa-amigo-liberty-v2-v5-v9-cbd-thc-co2/402471210.html#s2-6-1b;searl|3142916642
Looks like the "john fu" but more robust, also with adj. top air and a top-center-post ceramic coil. I would love to make a little 1ml-sized tank like this, but with the little 5mm donuts for TC and better vape quality. Might be too small again, but looks like a better candidate than the "john fu" with the thicker center post.
This company has a line of little tanks, some with and without ceramic coils and top airflow. Another FC member shared this with us, but I haven't pulled the trigger on this one. The full-sized VECO tank is clearly a much more potent, superior choice compared to the little ones, but goes to show we do have options for tanks, even if far from perfect and hard to find.
This is not meant as a dig at you @nosmoking! Just trying to share some info you might find relevant
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Screaminfreeman
New Member
I have the mello3 III and I keep having leaking problems through the air passages. My mixture was thicker than the vape juice. Problem I see is these mods are air fed through bottom and as could hear up the product tends to leak . Now I went to the magneto style and burn my honey oil straight. Only issue is it is for one hits so I now carry my vile everywhere. Mod style is perfect
Put 3 Mila in and good for days and travel. I would accept any help on mods
Steven
Well-Known Member
I'm actually loving the veco tank. So much I got another one coming in. I am one of the biggest divine Tribe loyalist around, but these veco tank are taking over as my dd for home and out and about use. It's just soo convenient.
@Vape Donkey 650 have you tried the honey jars yet. I highly prefer those over the syringes. The syringes are cut with too much terpenes and are not that potent to me. As for vapor production, I actually get humongous massive, smooth vapor. I would even compare it to ecig vapor it's so much. Not as thick and massive as ejuice, but not far. Vapor production is just as good as a rig hit in my veco tank. I absolutely have not had any leaks or clogging of the chimney. I'm not sure what we did different but this tank has given me zero issues.
The veco tank is also very easy to use. There are no instructions needed. No special steps required. No warm up. Just press the fire button and draw however you like. It's by far the most group friendly device I've used. It's awesome to pass a friend a vape without instructions. The only problem I can see in group sessions is that maybe give it a minute between every 2-3 hits or so just to let the oils be rewicked to coil. I've only had group sessions with maybe a 3-4 people
@Vape Donkey 650 I admire your work with the cubits tank, but 3-4 hours to make a coil? That's the exact opposite direction I'm headed towards. I got these tanks for their convenience and plug and play format. Gotta love you persistence to using the donuts though. Imo the work and search is quite warranted if something like the veco tank isn't around. I have no complaints about this tank so far and I have put at least 15 grams through this thing, using only 2 coils. My first coil was actually more gunked up with carbon using the syringe distillate compared to the forever clean coils with the honey Jar. I think it's the heavy amount of terpenes that can lead to gunking. Efficiency, flavor, and vapor production with the honey Jar and veco tank has actually surpassed my dtv3. I'm just waiting for the quartz bucket until I head back to divine tribe
As for the liberty tanks, I have mixed feelings about it. It looks like a better tank when compared to the popular vape710 and maxvapor carts, but I read somewhere on reddit that these cdb carts from China are held together by an unknown glue. Not sure if true or not. The creators of vape710 and maxvapor are regular reddit users so idk if they started that rumor or if it's actually true. Not mtrying to make any accusations, just saying do some research before you pull the trigger. All of this unknown and other factors was what lead me to vaporesso
@Screaminfreeman there are ejuice tanks out there like the vaporesso veco tank that utilizes top airflow. My veco tank has never leaked in maybe 2 months or so and about 15 grams
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I'm helping a friend move and he is an ecig user in a subohm atty. I did a side to side comparison of blown out vapor without holding it in and I basically matched his vapor production.
@Vape Donkey 650 have you tried the honey jars yet. I highly prefer those over the syringes. The syringes are cut with too much terpenes and are not that potent to me. As for vapor production, I actually get humongous massive, smooth vapor. I would even compare it to ecig vapor it's so much. Not as thick and massive as ejuice, but not far. Vapor production is just as good as a rig hit in my veco tank. I absolutely have not had any leaks or clogging of the chimney. I'm not sure what we did different but this tank has given me zero issues.
The veco tank is also very easy to use. There are no instructions needed. No special steps required. No warm up. Just press the fire button and draw however you like. It's by far the most group friendly device I've used. It's awesome to pass a friend a vape without instructions. The only problem I can see in group sessions is that maybe give it a minute between every 2-3 hits or so just to let the oils be rewicked to coil. I've only had group sessions with maybe a 3-4 people
@Vape Donkey 650 I admire your work with the cubits tank, but 3-4 hours to make a coil? That's the exact opposite direction I'm headed towards. I got these tanks for their convenience and plug and play format. Gotta love you persistence to using the donuts though. Imo the work and search is quite warranted if something like the veco tank isn't around. I have no complaints about this tank so far and I have put at least 15 grams through this thing, using only 2 coils. My first coil was actually more gunked up with carbon using the syringe distillate compared to the forever clean coils with the honey Jar. I think it's the heavy amount of terpenes that can lead to gunking. Efficiency, flavor, and vapor production with the honey Jar and veco tank has actually surpassed my dtv3. I'm just waiting for the quartz bucket until I head back to divine tribe
As for the liberty tanks, I have mixed feelings about it. It looks like a better tank when compared to the popular vape710 and maxvapor carts, but I read somewhere on reddit that these cdb carts from China are held together by an unknown glue. Not sure if true or not. The creators of vape710 and maxvapor are regular reddit users so idk if they started that rumor or if it's actually true. Not mtrying to make any accusations, just saying do some research before you pull the trigger. All of this unknown and other factors was what lead me to vaporesso
@Screaminfreeman there are ejuice tanks out there like the vaporesso veco tank that utilizes top airflow. My veco tank has never leaked in maybe 2 months or so and about 15 grams
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I'm helping a friend move and he is an ecig user in a subohm atty. I did a side to side comparison of blown out vapor without holding it in and I basically matched his vapor production.
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Vape Donkey 650
All vape, no smoke please.
A little less technical for a moment....
new dr1p tips!!!!
Some of the stock, metal cubis drip tips were somewhat annoying to me, because on the inside where the vapor passes thru, there are several sharp ridges and protrusions, which allowed vapor condensate reclaim / splatter (and pocket lint) to collect, and it is difficult to collect this because of the sharp corners.
Some of my other (colored) cubis drip tips were smooth and cylindrical on the inside, no sharp edges or ridges, unlike the metal ones, but they are "delrin" plastic which I didn't like the feel of. So new drip tips for me...
Here's that new mini-5mm donut cubis / evic with distillate, and my trusty old indica co2 tank on a pico. They have been treated to black metal / carbon fiber drip tips now.
The pico has seen 5g so far, over several months, just re-filled when it gets low, no cleaning of the tank or coil, going strong still.
The distillate on the evic is "master yoda og" which seems made up, but now that I've compared it to my other distllate tank more, I can barely distinguish the different flavor of the 2
And this steel pico has a simple, smooth, shorty, SS drip tip. No more reclaim collecting around the corner. It has seen 4 or 5 grams of "pure cure" alcohol-distillate oil so far on this tank.
And the big cuboid mod has a copper "aria" drip tip which looks kind of big and out of place, but it's ok I guess. This is on my 1st dual 5mm donut build, with HTFSE, and it's still giving big tasty rips on the first fill-up, but I switch this cuboid between a DTV3 and the cubis tank, so I don't really know how the hit count is on the tank
Go ahead, make your effeminate / gay jokes everyone
I showed these to my friends, and they said they don't like the color, but they like how the vape tastes, and I have a hard time prying it back out of their hands when I let em' use it. Having 8 tanks in my rotation, I don't want to have all of them be metal and black color, I color-code, to some extent
These are "tophus" mouthpieces which are resin or acrylic or some material like that. Actually has a nice lip feel to them...
The pink / purple pico has been my sativa co2 tank for a long time now, gone through 5 grams of sour diesel / amber diesel so far, same dual 7mm donut coil.
The rose gold / pink evic with it's "blueberry diesel" distillate has given me nearly a couple hundred puffs on a gram so far. The hue has gotten slightly darker and the viscosity a bit higher, but it's still one of my lightest, runniest tanks ATM.
This one I made a few months ago, a simpler dual 7mm donut build, wick-free, for HTFSE. You can see the beautiful light hue on a fresh, initial fill up
This was my first "wickless" build, because my first attempts with HTFSE suffered from a degradation of flavor after only a couple hundred hits, due to wick fouling. From some research, this type of oil may be as little as 30-40% thc, and 10-20+% (natural occurring, not-added, full-spectrum) terps, which is impressive, but that still leaves a large non-active, reclaim-generating fraction, especially with low-temp vaping. Going wick-free, the flavor is much better, hundreds of puffs into the tank, but there is some more noticeable loss of flavor when compared to co2 or distillate oils. I probably won't run 5 grams of HTFSE through this tank / coil without cleaning.
(maybe 3)
And back to the original theme...new drip tip! A nice wood / SS tip. The wood has a nice feel on the lips while vaping. And the pic of the tank gives you an idea of the oil darkening
And switched it out to a metal / carbon tip like my black tanks, but this one copper / carbon to match the primo mod's color theme.
And, back in time to the stock drip tip.. htfse and a nice ale during some work in the backyard
That's great it's working so well for you. Since you'll have a fresh clean veco in your hands soon (maybe already?) perhaps you can implement that idea to remove the glass before you fill it, and drill some extra holes in the chimney to help get those last pesky drops of oil into the coil when it's low rather than be stuck behind a metal wall.
I did try the "THClear" honey bucket, just putting a couple drops on a DTV3, and I thought it was pretty nice. The extra thickness, and higher THC fraction / lower terp fraction is noticeable compared to the syringes. I had been trying some "gold drop" distillate syringes which I find to be better in overall quality. The gold drops seem to have a slightly more authentic, less overdone flavor, and leaves even less residue on the donut from one or two small drops. The good news about all this minor distillate residue on a single-load vape like the V3, is that it's very easily removed by a heated napkin / cotton swab, much more effectively than other concentrates. The donut looks 99% fresh after a distillate load and swab.
I still think the syringes are fine, and are plenty potent for me. The price is right, and I can't argue with the ease of loading from a pre-filled syringe. I may try putting the thicker jars in a tank, but not anytime soon.
On the veco, we did only one thing different: the filling contents
It seems you have proven that it's a great tank for filling with distillate oil, while I simultaneously demonstrated that it's a rather mediocre tank for thicker concentrates like co2 oil. A truly good tank / atomizer coil for concentrates should handle any consistency, IMO. But compared to other "vapes" like these "burning" honey sticks that other people are using
the veco still seems like a winner to me.
new dr1p tips!!!!
Some of the stock, metal cubis drip tips were somewhat annoying to me, because on the inside where the vapor passes thru, there are several sharp ridges and protrusions, which allowed vapor condensate reclaim / splatter (and pocket lint) to collect, and it is difficult to collect this because of the sharp corners.
Some of my other (colored) cubis drip tips were smooth and cylindrical on the inside, no sharp edges or ridges, unlike the metal ones, but they are "delrin" plastic which I didn't like the feel of. So new drip tips for me...
Here's that new mini-5mm donut cubis / evic with distillate, and my trusty old indica co2 tank on a pico. They have been treated to black metal / carbon fiber drip tips now.
The pico has seen 5g so far, over several months, just re-filled when it gets low, no cleaning of the tank or coil, going strong still.
The distillate on the evic is "master yoda og" which seems made up, but now that I've compared it to my other distllate tank more, I can barely distinguish the different flavor of the 2
And this steel pico has a simple, smooth, shorty, SS drip tip. No more reclaim collecting around the corner. It has seen 4 or 5 grams of "pure cure" alcohol-distillate oil so far on this tank.
And the big cuboid mod has a copper "aria" drip tip which looks kind of big and out of place, but it's ok I guess. This is on my 1st dual 5mm donut build, with HTFSE, and it's still giving big tasty rips on the first fill-up, but I switch this cuboid between a DTV3 and the cubis tank, so I don't really know how the hit count is on the tank
Go ahead, make your effeminate / gay jokes everyone
I showed these to my friends, and they said they don't like the color, but they like how the vape tastes, and I have a hard time prying it back out of their hands when I let em' use it. Having 8 tanks in my rotation, I don't want to have all of them be metal and black color, I color-code, to some extentThese are "tophus" mouthpieces which are resin or acrylic or some material like that. Actually has a nice lip feel to them...
The pink / purple pico has been my sativa co2 tank for a long time now, gone through 5 grams of sour diesel / amber diesel so far, same dual 7mm donut coil.
The rose gold / pink evic with it's "blueberry diesel" distillate has given me nearly a couple hundred puffs on a gram so far. The hue has gotten slightly darker and the viscosity a bit higher, but it's still one of my lightest, runniest tanks ATM.
This one I made a few months ago, a simpler dual 7mm donut build, wick-free, for HTFSE. You can see the beautiful light hue on a fresh, initial fill up
This was my first "wickless" build, because my first attempts with HTFSE suffered from a degradation of flavor after only a couple hundred hits, due to wick fouling. From some research, this type of oil may be as little as 30-40% thc, and 10-20+% (natural occurring, not-added, full-spectrum) terps, which is impressive, but that still leaves a large non-active, reclaim-generating fraction, especially with low-temp vaping. Going wick-free, the flavor is much better, hundreds of puffs into the tank, but there is some more noticeable loss of flavor when compared to co2 or distillate oils. I probably won't run 5 grams of HTFSE through this tank / coil without cleaning.
(maybe 3)
And back to the original theme...new drip tip! A nice wood / SS tip. The wood has a nice feel on the lips while vaping. And the pic of the tank gives you an idea of the oil darkening
And switched it out to a metal / carbon tip like my black tanks, but this one copper / carbon to match the primo mod's color theme.
And, back in time to the stock drip tip.. htfse and a nice ale during some work in the backyard
That's great it's working so well for you. Since you'll have a fresh clean veco in your hands soon (maybe already?) perhaps you can implement that idea to remove the glass before you fill it, and drill some extra holes in the chimney to help get those last pesky drops of oil into the coil when it's low rather than be stuck behind a metal wall.
I did try the "THClear" honey bucket, just putting a couple drops on a DTV3, and I thought it was pretty nice. The extra thickness, and higher THC fraction / lower terp fraction is noticeable compared to the syringes. I had been trying some "gold drop" distillate syringes which I find to be better in overall quality. The gold drops seem to have a slightly more authentic, less overdone flavor, and leaves even less residue on the donut from one or two small drops. The good news about all this minor distillate residue on a single-load vape like the V3, is that it's very easily removed by a heated napkin / cotton swab, much more effectively than other concentrates. The donut looks 99% fresh after a distillate load and swab.
I still think the syringes are fine, and are plenty potent for me. The price is right, and I can't argue with the ease of loading from a pre-filled syringe. I may try putting the thicker jars in a tank, but not anytime soon.
On the veco, we did only one thing different: the filling contents
It seems you have proven that it's a great tank for filling with distillate oil, while I simultaneously demonstrated that it's a rather mediocre tank for thicker concentrates like co2 oil. A truly good tank / atomizer coil for concentrates should handle any consistency, IMO. But compared to other "vapes" like these "burning" honey sticks that other people are using
the veco still seems like a winner to me.
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Vape Donkey 650
All vape, no smoke please.
Easy to use, that's how a tank is supposed to be. As far as the slow re-wicking rate, that's one area where the "cubis donkey" coils have the cCells beat for sure. I can puff on my coils non-stop, and there is no risk of "dry hit" and the puffs actually tend to get more potent in a series.
Next time you put in a new coil, if you gently remove some of the cotton that blocks the wicking holes on the EUC coils, that may quicken your re-wicking rate. Too bad you can't remove or completely rebuild the cCell EUCs. You can easily find the generic silica replacements and rebuild them into a standard cotton EUC core, I found out though....(to basically make an EUC cCell cotton free, might be much better)
Yes, that is alot of time to invest, I agree. I also had to clean out (break down, remove gaskets, soak in alcohol, rinse, dry) a cubis tank that had some residue in it, so that was a half hour or so I didn't mention that was part of it. The following 5mm coil I made for distillate the next day had a brand new, fresh, clean tank and I had some practice, so that one only took about 2 hours or so.
The dual 7mm donut build is much easier and quicker for me now, since I've made so many of them, and the wire routing is much easier. From drilling a fresh case to capping the wires on the 510, I can get that done in about 1-2 hours.
I would like this work to be "warranted" not just for the enjoyment of me and a few friends, but that it could still lead to a new DT product that is up to the high standards of his other attys? I expect very few people, if any, are out there reading this, and copying my idea and trying to make their own.
If the veco tank worked anywhere near as good with co2 oil and htfse as it does with distillate, there would be little reason for me to carry on with this project, but the veco was a let-down to me. Between the porous silica heaters, to the metal dam holding back a half-gram of co2 oil from my coil, it just doesn't do it. Some light modding of the tank/coils may help, and the design of the tank airflow and coil change-out is great, but the small size of the coils and their porous heaters is also a major limitation for me.
Must be at least 300-400mg of oil in here, and it doesn't hit AT ALL! Like it's completely dry. That's unacceptable. With the cubis tank oil level low, you get a halo of oil surrounding the bottom of the tank, but at least it still hits. There may be as much as 100-200mg of oil at the floor of the tank when a cubis is "empty", (not hitting anymore) much less "waste" than the veco with co2 oil.
Wow...that's the high-tolerance Steven I know haha
The slight increase in "terpene reclaim" from the syringes I noticed as well, but it's fairly minimal, especially when compared to other types of concentrates.I tend to look at all of these little concentrate "vape pen" atomizers with suspicion. They are universally cheap, although some of their design features have improved over the past year or so. Now they don't always have to leak out on you through the 510 threads (with top air flow now instead), and at least we have the option of porous "cCells" instead of inferior wick+wire or rod+wire coils.
I wouldn't be surprised if some sort of glue is used, but I would imagine most other carts in that class, including some you mention, could also have glue or suspect materials. And the sellers of one vape product talking trash about the safety / integrity of their competitors' product is nothing new, and to be taken with a grain of salt, IMO. Glue in an atomizer that burns your oil is a moot point to me, the toxins created from uncontrolled temps is a much greater hazard to your health and flavor.
But in general, full sized sub-ohm tanks that e-cig users actually use tend to be made more sturdy with sound materials. Glass, stainless steel, silicon for gaskets, ceramic, and metal coil wire, nothing suspect.
In 2016/2017, you hardly ever see e-cig vapers puffing on these type of antiquated crap tanks that everyone is sadly puffing their concentrates out of these days. The e-cig people have wised up and demanded better, to a certain extent (even though they don't care about TC mostly)
If I see someone puffing a small, high-ohm tank, it's certainly a kush oil cart, or some old newbie who's just getting started with vaping, if it's actually an e-cig
Would be cool to see that. (I believe you) I may make a video for you guys to watch later and get an idea of the vapor production.
Hey Steve let me ask you this about distillate: do you feel like it leaves a slight peppery feeling / irritation on the back of your throat when vaping, unlike other concentrates?
I do, and it's somewhat weird, only matched somewhat by some of the terpiest live resins I've vaped, but different still. It's from the added terps, I'm sure. Overall the distillate vape still feels "smooth" and tasty but just with a slight trailing on the tongue / throat on the exhale. On a DTV3, I was vaping at my usual temps, 390-400 and getting big clouds with the spicy trails after the puff. I noticed I can lower to the temps as low as 360-370F, and the slight irritation pretty much goes away, but the big clouds and almost non-existent reclaim residue remains, so that made me happy!
Normally, shatter or co2 oil would give little to no vape at such a low temp, but distillate, is fine, apparently.Transferring that to the tanks, I'm vaping those at a 360-365F with the THClear. I think you have your veco cCells set to 420-430F, this is causing your billowing, e-cig-like clouds, right?
Yup, your thoughts on the cause of the leaking on the MELO3 is spot-on. It's exactly what I, and several other people on this forum have found out. I wish people would read up more so they can avoid making these same mistakes over and over.
That's also why I'm almost as insistent that my tanks have top airflow (so they don't leak out) as much as they have temp-controllable alumina ceramic heaters. (so they taste great and don't burn)I find it strange why these bottom-air-flow tanks always seem to leak with concentrates, but it doesn't seem to be much of an issue with glycerin / nicotine e-juice. I think it may have something to do with the ratio / relationship between the fluid's mass and surface tension, but I'm not really sure. (fluid dynamics anyone?)
From the many posts I've made on this thread, in general, there is little more I have to offer you that I wouldn't be repeating
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Screaminfreeman
New Member
Tks for help. Will check out tomorrow and let you know .
Steven
Well-Known Member
@Vape Donkey 650 as for your question about the peppery feeling with the distillates. I got this same feeling with the thclear syringes. I have only experienced this maybe 1 or 2 out of the 10 honey buckets I've got so far. I believe it's the high amount of terpenes as well. Im not a ecig user but have tried them in the past, and have experienced this with some e juices as well.
DO NOT REMOVE COTTON FROM COIL. I was able to remove the cotton from the veco's euc coil. Not too hard at all. Just pull it out from the side holes where the cotton is exposed. I also thought the idea had potential, but without the cotton, the extra empty space is exposed to the suction from inhalation. This means distillate will be sucked up and eventually clog the chimney. I didn't let it get that far to see if it would actually happen, but after 2 hits, the chimney was more flooded than I've ever seen. Also, I actually don't see any issue with the cotton really. If anything, it keeps a nice even saturation of oils onto the coil. The cotton had zero carbon in it when removed.
What does get a bit of carbon is the ceramic wick. This happens if oil is not wicked back into the ceramic wick in time before someone takes a hit. It also happens when you have a greedy friend who tries to milk the veco instead of just taking a quick deep breath. Long hit with minimal airflow will lead to minor burnouts of the coil.
I have also noticed that maybe after 3/4-1 gram, the high will start to feel like a bit of like reclaim hit highs. This is a easy fix, every 1/2 gram or so, reclaim will be needed to be scooped out of the chimney. I load it into my dtv3. It's also not that much. However, I can see it building up and clogging the air path if it's uncleaned after a few grams. That's a long time. Not cleaning it will lead to carbon build up on the top part if the ceramic wick as well because the reclaim will just drip back down to the ceramic wick, especially when heated.
So the tank isn't perfect but I'm still really impressed with the way this thing handles distillates. I'm a heavy user and having 1 tank is a bit rough on it. I was also wrong when I said there isnt a technique to hitting it. To get the best results, the more air through the coils the more vapor you will get. Meaning a short deep breath is the way to go. I mean hit it like you are clearing a 4 foot bong and do it for 3-5 seconds. This gets me ecig sized clouds. Obviously the better the lungs the better the results. Hope this helps anyone going down this path.
@Screaminfreeman I think you will be pleasantly surprised about the veco. Again, the best results are probably with thick raw distillate, or slightly terpene cut distillate. If you are in California, pm me for a good plug
DO NOT REMOVE COTTON FROM COIL. I was able to remove the cotton from the veco's euc coil. Not too hard at all. Just pull it out from the side holes where the cotton is exposed. I also thought the idea had potential, but without the cotton, the extra empty space is exposed to the suction from inhalation. This means distillate will be sucked up and eventually clog the chimney. I didn't let it get that far to see if it would actually happen, but after 2 hits, the chimney was more flooded than I've ever seen. Also, I actually don't see any issue with the cotton really. If anything, it keeps a nice even saturation of oils onto the coil. The cotton had zero carbon in it when removed.
What does get a bit of carbon is the ceramic wick. This happens if oil is not wicked back into the ceramic wick in time before someone takes a hit. It also happens when you have a greedy friend who tries to milk the veco instead of just taking a quick deep breath. Long hit with minimal airflow will lead to minor burnouts of the coil.
I have also noticed that maybe after 3/4-1 gram, the high will start to feel like a bit of like reclaim hit highs. This is a easy fix, every 1/2 gram or so, reclaim will be needed to be scooped out of the chimney. I load it into my dtv3. It's also not that much. However, I can see it building up and clogging the air path if it's uncleaned after a few grams. That's a long time. Not cleaning it will lead to carbon build up on the top part if the ceramic wick as well because the reclaim will just drip back down to the ceramic wick, especially when heated.
So the tank isn't perfect but I'm still really impressed with the way this thing handles distillates. I'm a heavy user and having 1 tank is a bit rough on it. I was also wrong when I said there isnt a technique to hitting it. To get the best results, the more air through the coils the more vapor you will get. Meaning a short deep breath is the way to go. I mean hit it like you are clearing a 4 foot bong and do it for 3-5 seconds. This gets me ecig sized clouds. Obviously the better the lungs the better the results. Hope this helps anyone going down this path.
@Screaminfreeman I think you will be pleasantly surprised about the veco. Again, the best results are probably with thick raw distillate, or slightly terpene cut distillate. If you are in California, pm me for a good plug
I've been trying to liquidize shatter wax etc. and I have not gotten anything close to right as far thickness. Do you mean 16ml total= 6g material, 1 ml of PEG400, and several ml of PG?
KidneyStoner
Well-Known Member
I've been using the Wax Liquidizer product with lots of success. I recommend the Grape flavor.
Just put 2ml of Wax Liquidizer + 1 gram of concentrate in a shot glass, stick it in the microwave for 10 seconds, then mix it in the glass until all the concentrate has disintegrated.
Ends up making 3.5 ml or so per 1 gram of concentrate.
You can buy 15ml bottles on eBay.
Vape Donkey 650
All vape, no smoke please.
good news everyone!
(Or at least for everyone who enjoys actually vaping concentrates in a tank rather than just combusting it while thinking you're just vaping it, and having it not leak out the air hole on the bottom)
I've come across some promising new RTAs that may be good candidates for concentrate use, either as a ready-to-use tank (for those who like cotton wick / metal wires, and probably just for thinned distillate)
But I'm more interested in modding and RBA coils for ceramic donuts of course
...here they are
oumier magic winds 2ml RTA
Props to my boy @AnthoFranco for dropping the word on this tank
Top filling, a necessary requirement, check. I would like to see some bigger holes for filling and wicking but I can deal with that and / or modify it (drill holes).
As you can see, it comes "empty" with no coil, just a simple off-set (not centered) build post. I have been looking for an RTA with RBA big enough for big 10mm, maybe even 13mm donuts, this tank may finally be the one.
I would have preferred to see this tank with the middle build deck / vapor chimney actually be an entirely removable coil, to make it easier to build them in a clean space away from an oily tank, but I think I can make this RTA work? I will let you guys know when I get it.
This magic winds RTA is made by a lesser-known company and it was released in 10/2016, so it's been around for a bit, and supplies and stocks are low/sold out in many stores. Purchased it from one place who said they have it in stock, only to wait days, and inquire, for them to tell me they DON"T have it in stock and are waiting for more. So I purchase it from another online china e-cig store who say they have the tank in stock, 6 days later, they tell me they have it backordered, in stock next week! Arggh...not this shell game again. 
I hope it finally ships next week. 
And moving forward, this other company has been making popular e-cig tanks for a while, they have finally graced us with a top-filling top-air tank worthy of filling with our precious concentrates? And RBA coil option?
smoktech TFV8 X-Baby
(not to be confused by the non-X baby, which is leak-prone bottom-airflow)
thanks to the EU and their infinite wisdom, mandating tanks be no larger than 2ml in capacity, smoktech obliges in making a smaller size tank that few e-cig users actually want. Fortunately, concentrate vapers about which they know or care nothing about, actually want smaller tanks so thanks, EU bureaucrats!
A wide array of perty colours for you to choose from![:\](/i/s/hmm.gif "Hmm :\")
A typical breakdown for TF/TA RTAs these days...not that different from the vaporesso veco tank in structure
should be plenty of leak-free adjustable airflow
This filling slot is even more stingy than the magic winds or the cubis, but with a syringe, I should be able to fill it no problem. The sliding filling cover is pretty cool though, and you can still use any drip-tip you want.
And this is what excites me the most, RBA coil! My goal is to put one or two 10mm donuts in here. With the build posts being in the center, I may have to orient the donuts vertically (standing up) rather than lying flat, horizontally, as I would prefer. Maybe I can wrangle em' in there and wrap the wires somehow to make the donuts sit flat? I will have to have one in my hands to see. Maybe I'll be lucky and the regular coils will even be able to be rebuilt to a certain extent by removing the cotton wire and wick?
So I'm having a tough time finding the 2ml EU version as well as the RBA coil...nearly every place says "pre-order" for the RBA. (This tank just came out a few weeks ago it seems)
I think I'm going to get the 2ml EU tank from this place since they claim to have it. I don't think anyone in the US will have the 2ml in stock, so I'll go with the slow boat from china.
For those of you interested in this tank and don't mind the larger 4ml version, these guys have a good deal on it
https://101vape.com/tanks/1961-tfv8-x-baby-subohm-tank-by-smok-red.html
only in red, 20 bucks
and these guys have more colors, only 17 dollars
https://www.eightvape.com/products/smoktech-tfv8-x-baby-4ml-standard-edition
I got the veco tank from them, they're in NV and ship quick
(Or at least for everyone who enjoys actually vaping concentrates in a tank rather than just combusting it while thinking you're just vaping it, and having it not leak out the air hole on the bottom)
I've come across some promising new RTAs that may be good candidates for concentrate use, either as a ready-to-use tank (for those who like cotton wick / metal wires, and probably just for thinned distillate)
But I'm more interested in modding and RBA coils for ceramic donuts of course
...here they areoumier magic winds 2ml RTA
Props to my boy @AnthoFranco for dropping the word on this tank
Top filling, a necessary requirement, check. I would like to see some bigger holes for filling and wicking but I can deal with that and / or modify it (drill holes).
As you can see, it comes "empty" with no coil, just a simple off-set (not centered) build post. I have been looking for an RTA with RBA big enough for big 10mm, maybe even 13mm donuts, this tank may finally be the one.
I would have preferred to see this tank with the middle build deck / vapor chimney actually be an entirely removable coil, to make it easier to build them in a clean space away from an oily tank, but I think I can make this RTA work? I will let you guys know when I get it.
This magic winds RTA is made by a lesser-known company and it was released in 10/2016, so it's been around for a bit, and supplies and stocks are low/sold out in many stores.
Purchased it from one place who said they have it in stock, only to wait days, and inquire, for them to tell me they DON"T have it in stock and are waiting for more. So I purchase it from another online china e-cig store who say they have the tank in stock, 6 days later, they tell me they have it backordered, in stock next week! Arggh...not this shell game again. I hope it finally ships next week. And moving forward, this other company has been making popular e-cig tanks for a while, they have finally graced us with a top-filling top-air tank worthy of filling with our precious concentrates?
And RBA coil option? smoktech TFV8 X-Baby
(not to be confused by the non-X baby, which is leak-prone bottom-airflow)
thanks to the EU and their infinite wisdom, mandating tanks be no larger than 2ml in capacity, smoktech obliges in making a smaller size tank that few e-cig users actually want. Fortunately, concentrate vapers about which they know or care nothing about, actually want smaller tanks
so thanks, EU bureaucrats!
A wide array of perty colours for you to choose from
A typical breakdown for TF/TA RTAs these days...not that different from the vaporesso veco tank in structure
should be plenty of leak-free adjustable airflow
This filling slot is even more stingy than the magic winds or the cubis, but with a syringe, I should be able to fill it no problem. The sliding filling cover is pretty cool though, and you can still use any drip-tip you want.
And this is what excites me the most, RBA coil! My goal is to put one or two 10mm donuts in here. With the build posts being in the center, I may have to orient the donuts vertically (standing up) rather than lying flat, horizontally, as I would prefer. Maybe I can wrangle em' in there and wrap the wires somehow to make the donuts sit flat? I will have to have one in my hands to see. Maybe I'll be lucky and the regular coils will even be able to be rebuilt to a certain extent by removing the cotton wire and wick?
So I'm having a tough time finding the 2ml EU version as well as the RBA coil...nearly every place says "pre-order" for the RBA. (This tank just came out a few weeks ago it seems)
I think I'm going to get the 2ml EU tank from this place since they claim to have it. I don't think anyone in the US will have the 2ml in stock, so I'll go with the slow boat from china.
For those of you interested in this tank and don't mind the larger 4ml version, these guys have a good deal on it
https://101vape.com/tanks/1961-tfv8-x-baby-subohm-tank-by-smok-red.html
only in red, 20 bucks
and these guys have more colors, only 17 dollars
https://www.eightvape.com/products/smoktech-tfv8-x-baby-4ml-standard-edition
I got the veco tank from them, they're in NV and ship quick
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Vape Donkey 650
All vape, no smoke please.
Cool, thanks for the feedback and the updates. A couple of people have agreed with me regarding the peppery feeling with the distillate flavor. It's not horrible or bad, but it is noticeable and absent in other types of concentrates. The terpenes are most certainly the cause. Regarding e-cig juice, it is possible you can be allergic to PEG, which would cause that irritation. Vaping PEG (and PG, and VG) produces toxic gasses when raised to higher and higher temperatures, and is not necessary to add to your concentrates when vaping it on a decent tank. The main reason I can see for all these people intentionally adding toxic chemicals to their concentrates is that they don't live in legal jurisdictions and can't get access to distillate and co2 oil, and yet they still insist on vaping from a tank.
Sigh...(Please, just break your shatter off into 20mg BBs for reloads on the load-and-go atomizers, you prohibition people, sorry. If not, at least look into terps instead of PEG for tank use)
I was reading some comment sections regarding the "gold drop" distillate syringes, and a few people said they were getting horrible reactions, headaches, nausea, vomiting, allergies, all that bad stuff, from dabbing their flavored distillate! glad that didn't happen to me. A slight irritation mitigated by lower temps is tolerable, I guess.
D'oh, I could have guessed that trying to remove some of the cotton on the EUC would cause some spitting. Thanks for "toftt" with the experiment. Going cotton-free, or lighter on the cotton with co2 oil rather than distillate may help, but I feel I also need to take some material out of the metal vape chimney to help get all the oil flowing into the coil. The problem of the veco's EUCs having a slow re-wicking rate needs to be addressed somehow. I think that is a minus on the veco. Plus, I was getting oil sucked up into the chimney with co2 oil anyways, even with all the cotton on an untouched EUC cCellWell, regarding the reclaim / splashed oil collecting on the chimney, or on the bottom seat of the drip tip, that is something that happens on EVERY sub-ohm RTA I've tried with concentrates, to some degree.
There's no avoiding it really, it's only to be managed. Dialing in your air throttle and hitting it in a certain way can reduce the rate at which chimney reclaim / splatter / condensated vapor tends to accumulate. The thinner oils like distillate seem to splatter more easily, especially when super-lunged.I find this "reclaim" to be rather fresh and appetizing, and when I occasionally clean my drip tips, I always drop whatever I can scoop up onto a V3 donut like you did. After my little "drip-tip promenade" from my last posts, I scraped up those 6 old drip tips, some of them had alot of oil, and I probably reclaimed about 80mg or so of pretty fresh, tasty oil for an extended 10mm donut session.
Not recovering the reclaim for a long time and having it drip back onto the veco coil, I can see that being a problem, but on my cubis coils with donuts, no issue with that.
Hmm...every possible technique / method of hitting the veco tank with co2 oil was not capable of producing reliable results for me, only occasional decent clouds, plenty of dry ~ wispy hits.
As for my cubis-donkey donut coil tanks, using a certain type of technique on the hit helps to get the best hit, but you can use a wide variety of methods to get a good puff.
With my dual 7mm donuts @ 30w, it takes just about 1.5-2 seconds to warmth from a cold start, although some people are running these at 33-35w for a quicker start. The little 5mm donut pairs can reach temp in under 2 seconds with only 18-24w. I usually wait one second from pressing the button, and take as long as a puff as I want / can take. That may be as short as 6 seconds, but sometimes I ride the button till the 15-second arcticfox-defined puff timer cutoff, for some bigger clouds.
And with generous wicking holes and unobstructive wick material or a lack thereof, you can go for endless back-to-back clouds without fearing going dry, as long as you have a little material filling the tank, of course.The cubis tanks with donuts seem to work best with 2 out of 5 holes open, although some full tanks rip better at 3, a lower tank perhaps at 1 hole open. I've never got the best results with 4/5 or a wide open cubis air throttle, but maybe people willing to try even higher temps with bigger lungs than me can fetch much larger clouds through my gear? I wouldn't doubt it, but I'd expect a little more splash maybe, too.
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nosmoking
Just so Dab HAppy!
Sorry it has taken so long to respond. I really didnt have much to add really originally. What you have said here that I quoted is pretty spot on and I have been paying attention to your more recent posts that seem to have some better options. I really liked the recent reviews/comments you provided on the MagicWinds and Smoktech tanks and was heavily considering one of them. I am finding it too inconvenient to carry around wax pens with 3 kids and a demanding professional lifestyle in an anti-weed state. At the same time and in the same thought, I have gained access to 3 style of pre-filled carts as well as random distillates from time to time. I can get FlavrX which is awful, Forbidden Fruit Co2 distillate and Supercritical Co2. The latter 2 are medical and come in their medical packaging stating a THC of 60-70% depending on the strain. I can also request Sativa dominant strains for the those two. I would live to be able to fill carts myself, however I don't know how to make distillate and I dont want to mix wax with terpenes really.No offense, really, but I'm surprised you like / use this type of vape, considering how I thought you dislike most load-as-you-go 510 atomizers because they gunk up and get dirty / reclaimed with concentrates, and that you really want a clean dabbing surface, that is easy to clean.
Now, at least distillate oil is virtually residue-free, when vaped at low temp, so you're probably not getting super-gross on the ceramic coil with modest distillate hits on this gear, but with low airflow, clogging, pre-heating, having a tendency to leak through the bottom-airflow holes, you can do better....
Steven has had much better success with the VECO tank and distillate that I have had with it using co2 oil. If you can also get distillate in a syringe or jar, or are willing to try to remove it, the VECO is an easy upgrade, super easy to fill, set up, and change coils, and you gain the benefit of much better adjustable airflow, leak-proof, and TC for better taste and vapor! At under 20 bucks, it still seems like the best "off-the-shelf" choice for a sub-ohm RTA for concentrates, for those that don't want to "limit" (relegate) themselves to 'vape pens'
But for those of you guys who really don't think you want / need TC or refuse to upgrade to a box mod, I have come across a few "vape pen" concentrate tanks that seem to have a few superior design traits, even if lacking TC still.
http://shopkungfuvapes.com/john-fu-ceramic-with-rcp-1ml/
Only a few bucks, no TC of course, but at least it has adjustable top-airflow, so it should be leak-proof, and it has a little generic high-ohm porous silica ceramic heater (with a cotton wrap), it seems. Airflow might be a half-step or so above the standard cart. I would like to see if I could rebuild the center post with a 5mm donut so I can make it TC, if it could fit in there. (I think not, the center post probably to small or non-rebuildable? I should email them)
https://www.dhgate.com/product/itsuwa-amigo-liberty-v2-v5-v9-cbd-thc-co2/402471210.html#s2-6-1b;searl|3142916642
Looks like the "john fu" but more robust, also with adj. top air and a top-center-post ceramic coil. I would love to make a little 1ml-sized tank like this, but with the little 5mm donuts for TC and better vape quality. Might be too small again, but looks like a better candidate than the "john fu" with the thicker center post.
This company has a line of little tanks, some with and without ceramic coils and top airflow. Another FC member shared this with us, but I haven't pulled the trigger on this one. The full-sized VECO tank is clearly a much more potent, superior choice compared to the little ones, but goes to show we do have options for tanks, even if far from perfect and hard to find.
This is not meant as a dig at you @nosmoking! Just trying to share some info you might find relevant
As for the carts they come in...they are crap. The forbidden fruit cart is a cotton wick...looks like a candle wick sticking up in the oil. I hate these the most but the contents seem well enough. No pg or vg and I can feel an effect after 6-8 hits. I can get too much effect from these but it seems enough that a session before work and during lunch keep my anxiety at bay and my neck pain at minimum. I have only tried one strain so far though...Candy Jack. Its also lasting longer than the Supercritical Co2 carts.
The Supercritical Co2 carts are heated by a brown ceramic (I hope its ceramic) cylinder that is wrapped in a fiber blanket (cotton?). Otherwise I saw no glues or plastic or silicone or anytging of concern but still not the best way to be vaping for sure. Unfortunately for me I have gone through 3 of these carts and this is what has me paying more attention to this thread as well as the threads discussing the Trinity tank. The effect from the contents of these carts has been on par with the Forbidden Fruit if not better but they seem to not last as long.
Back to the maxvapor cart that I linked. I took it apart and it is constructed of two very tiny ceramic cylinders aligned horizontally to create one longer cylinder as the heater and a tiny cotton wick pad at each end where the distillate enters into the heater. Its much better than the other 2 carts I just mentioned and it is easily noticable in taste and performance. I only used it for 1 gram of distillate which was about 5-6 days of use while away on vacation. It never tasted burnt but I had the wattage very low and I don't hold the button very long. Even back to back hits were ok. I did not try TC but it could probably work on these since the heating element is ceramic. Honestly though, after seeing the MagicWinds and Smoktech tanks I agree it would be better to pursue those options instead of the prefilled/disposable carts you or I have mentioned.
Now, I am heavily considering the Trinity tank too though. So I bought one today and will see how it does.
Steven
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@Vape Donkey 650 so I got another veco tank off fasttech. It was listed as authentic. The tanks seems fine but I noticed that the coil and chimney would clog pretty damn fast. I'm using everything the same as my other veco tank. I noticed I was suffering from all @Vape Donkey 650's complaints about the veco. I can see why you don't favor the veco tank if this was your experience. I'm not sure about you but for me, the culprit was fake coils. Tbh I don't know which one is fake, but there is an obvious difference between the 2 coils. 1 coil came with the tank from fasttech, the other I got a 15 pack on eBay that seemed pretty damn authentic. Anyway, the coil giving me problems is the coil that has a larger diameter wicking hole where the cotton is exposed. That's the one that came from fasttech. The problem is that the larger diameter opening allows for too much distillate to get sucked up. I actually don't have to many problems with dry hits as long as the hits have decent airflow going through it. The larger diameter cotton hole basically acted like a lesser version of the coil with the cotton removed. I guess the size if that hole is pretty crucial.
The coil on the left gives me very minimal problems in terms of spitting and clogging or dry hits as well
The coil on the left gives me very minimal problems in terms of spitting and clogging or dry hits as well
Vapology
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I have to thank you guys!
After 20 years of combustion i started to vaporize this summer and it feels great. I started with a crafty and some weeks later I bought a Vapcap as backup. I'm really happy with this setup.
Now I want to get to the next level: smart vaping 2.0
I started to experiment with different materials and build a HMK press - yields around 20%
I don't want to dab the rosin but I would like to find a new, clean and easy way to medicate over the day.
I am located in Central Europe so I don't have a lot of options to choose from.
A big thank you goes out to @Nine9bar @Steven @Vape Donkey 650 and some others: I finished my plans in theory and started practicing - I bought me an evic VTwo mini and a Veco Tank - now I need my smart liquids and the easiest way seems to be diluting the rosin with terpenes. I don't have access to cannabis derived terpenes in Europe so I have to deal with something like Holyterps pure ( I'm not a e-cig vapor or cloud chaser so I don't want to inhale PG,VG,PEG or what so ever) and I also ordered some terps from caliterpenes.com
@Nine9bar how does it worked for you. Are these naturally extracted but isolated terpens vapeable?
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Steven
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I hope everything works out well for you. I have 2 veco tanks now, one for sativa, the other for India. The veco tank has become my daily driver with distillate. I have also noted something that is very crucial to avoid clogging and spitback. At first I thought the culprit was fake coils with oversized cotton holes, but it may also be that I did not screw in the bottom base into the glass tightly. Not doing so will leave the smallest gap between the top of the coil and the bottom of the chimney that will allow my distillate to get suck up through those gaps.
I have also noticed that it is much better to have the coil already in when you fill the tank. Kind of obvious but I will get to it. Also, avoid removing the coil when the tank is filled unless u absolutely must. The point is to keep the inside of the metal housing that covers the coil clean of excess distillate. Too much lining the inside walls of the metal housing is jus5 more material asking to get sucked up between the crevices. Let the cotton do it's job and things will be smooth sailing. Just some little tips I found helpful
Wow that's a lot of liquid. That product has no terps in it. When the wick get hot it gets a real hot waxy taste actually. I have been researching and trying and spending and I'll tell ya what 2 products that work as they say. True terps is best and treesX is next. There's plenty of others that work well too. But it takes 5- 10 drops for a half gram. 1 ml. can do 1-2g. of material. You don't need much if any heat.
Not sure how many folks out there are using the liberty v9 tanks, but I've had mine for a few days now and they are absolutely amazing. These tanks seem to run through the oil pretty fast but you get nice hits. At $8/ea on ebay I think I have found my stealth pen finally =)
Vape Donkey 650
All vape, no smoke please.
Hey all my tank people, more good news, plus a couple of minor setbacks... but first the good....
I finally got my new smoktech tfv8 x-baby tank set up with the RBA coil built with dual 10mm donuts, and this combo may be on track to be a massive success, perhaps my favorite new tank? i keep on saying that now 
First I just bought the tank (the shorter / smaller 2ml EU version) without the RBA coil, but that was a delay. I was hoping the stock / default atomizer coils would be "rebuildable" in a similar manner to cubis BF atomizer coils, since the x-baby is so big, that would be easy? But no. You can remove the bottom pin and gasket, but you can't remove the heater and wick. Plus, there is a lot of "wasted space" in the coil, something of a double-jacket / moat / chimney wall type thing going on.
So for those of you wanting to buy this new tank and make it 100% plug and play, screw-in, fill and go, that is only for people who like metal wires and cotton wicks. It looks like alot of wasted space in the coil, which may only work as-is with thin distillate. For ceramic heaters, a little more work is required...
So I got the RBA coil from another reseller, and it just arrived today, and I wasted no time....
These 10mm donuts barely have space to squeeze in there. This is the only apparent position they will fit inside the case and have the cover still screw in over them and close fully. The cap barely scrapes the top of the donuts when fully screwed in. I wired in both donuts on the bottom set of posts since that's the only way they will fit, the top posts are un-used, but that doesn't seem to be a problem at all. Two donuts I picked to match at around 0.73-0.74Ω are now around 0.38Ω in parallel.
No space for giant 13mm donuts, sorry folks. Although you can probably imagine multiple, creative ways to install several 7mm donuts in here if you want, or silica ceramic cylinders like those used on the VECO tank (you can probably fit 4 of either of those smaller heaters in here)
Tested fired it up fine, so now it was time to drill holes to allow oil to flow on the inside, since the paltry little juice/air slots at the bottom of the coil that are already provided will most likely be insufficient, and I don't want to waste 1 gram of oil and sticky fingers to see if it works "as-is"
The cap / cover of the RBA had a weird inner-wall / outer-wall, rotating tab thing, for what purpose I don't fully understand. I determined it would not cause leaks or interrupt the airflow if I drilled, and that was correct. The roughness of the drilling caused the sliding action to become rough and I had to force it so it didn't jam when I was done drilling, and shavings got into the threads, making things worse. After drilling, cleaning and inspecting, I found a more open area in the inner shroud that offers less resistance when you drill through it. In the future, I will try to drill only in that spot. (should've taken pics) Despite the roughness and "learning through doing", it all came together fine. Now to add wick.
I bought the whole range of readyXwick's sizes to experiment with my larger coils. The small 1.7mm was working fine for me in the small cubis, and although I could have squeezed the huge 4mm wick inside the donut, I settled for a couple of long strands of the mid-sized 2.7mm. Some of the fibers got roughed up from screwing on the cover too.
Still dry-fires fine when testing it with the wick, so time to fill er' up
First time trying this "americanna" brand. 73% thc is good for the upper range of co2 oils, nice hue, good viscosity in the tank.
The less-than-generous slot in the top-swivel filling cover would suck if you had to scoop/pour your oil in from a jar or with dab tools, but it offers just enough space if you have a syringe with a leur-locking needle (the easiest way to load a tank)
Also, this tank has a fixed mouthpiece, no removable 510 drip tips as I had thought earlier. (awww)
Making its way around the back, almost done...
I see... wet donuts! (and wick)
Ready to go now, my extreme familiarity with the 10mm donuts from using them in the DTV3 donut atty gave me an good idea for starting settings. Normally I go TCR 200, 32w, 370-440F.
Now for two of them in a tank coil, I started TCR 200 (no reason to change that) 60w, 360F to start. It takes a little over 2 seconds to heat....then instant cloudiness...... 
Wow...like in a 6 second hit, this is what I'm used to in a 10+ second hit with my dual 7mm donuts in the cubis tanks
Tasting good too! Although this "americanna" brand is a new brand to me, I would agree it somewhat tastes like the durban poison it's made from. It's not the best co2 oil I've vaped, but it's easily tasting better and is much smoother on the throat than many of the distillates I've been messing with recently. If I were to put "better" co2 oils, or HTFSE on this tank, I would expect even better flavor but certainly not bad...and oh boy the cloudiness!
I need to make some vids to show this to you guys. I pumped up the power to 75w now, for sub-2 second warmups. I am not an e-cig guy vaping extreme sub-ohm coils, so this is by far the most wattage I've ever called up for an atomizer. I'm already ordering 3 more x-baby tanks and RBAs This may be the new setup that eventually renders my trusty cubis pro mini donut tanks obsolete. The one thing holding me back on the x-baby's is the larger 25mm size, vs the 22mm cubis. These large tanks will not fit on my eleaf picos at all, and there will be some overhang on my evic VTC minis, although they fit fine on the large cubis and evic primo. Finally, an excuse for me to buy the evic primo mini, for 25mm tank compatibility.
This success story may precipitate a big shake-up of "TC mod-to-atomizer-pairings" in my fleet...
I finally got my new smoktech tfv8 x-baby tank set up with the RBA coil built with dual 10mm donuts, and this combo may be on track to be a massive success, perhaps my favorite new tank?
i keep on saying that now First I just bought the tank (the shorter / smaller 2ml EU version) without the RBA coil, but that was a delay. I was hoping the stock / default atomizer coils would be "rebuildable" in a similar manner to cubis BF atomizer coils, since the x-baby is so big, that would be easy? But no.
You can remove the bottom pin and gasket, but you can't remove the heater and wick. Plus, there is a lot of "wasted space" in the coil, something of a double-jacket / moat / chimney wall type thing going on.So for those of you wanting to buy this new tank and make it 100% plug and play, screw-in, fill and go, that is only for people who like metal wires and cotton wicks. It looks like alot of wasted space in the coil, which may only work as-is with thin distillate. For ceramic heaters, a little more work is required...
So I got the RBA coil from another reseller, and it just arrived today, and I wasted no time....
These 10mm donuts barely have space to squeeze in there. This is the only apparent position they will fit inside the case and have the cover still screw in over them and close fully. The cap barely scrapes the top of the donuts when fully screwed in. I wired in both donuts on the bottom set of posts since that's the only way they will fit, the top posts are un-used, but that doesn't seem to be a problem at all. Two donuts I picked to match at around 0.73-0.74Ω are now around 0.38Ω in parallel.
No space for giant 13mm donuts, sorry folks.
Although you can probably imagine multiple, creative ways to install several 7mm donuts in here if you want, or silica ceramic cylinders like those used on the VECO tank (you can probably fit 4 of either of those smaller heaters in here)Tested fired it up fine, so now it was time to drill holes to allow oil to flow on the inside, since the paltry little juice/air slots at the bottom of the coil that are already provided will most likely be insufficient, and I don't want to waste 1 gram of oil and sticky fingers to see if it works "as-is"
The cap / cover of the RBA had a weird inner-wall / outer-wall, rotating tab thing, for what purpose I don't fully understand. I determined it would not cause leaks or interrupt the airflow if I drilled, and that was correct. The roughness of the drilling caused the sliding action to become rough and I had to force it so it didn't jam when I was done drilling, and shavings got into the threads, making things worse. After drilling, cleaning and inspecting, I found a more open area in the inner shroud that offers less resistance when you drill through it. In the future, I will try to drill only in that spot. (should've taken pics) Despite the roughness and "learning through doing", it all came together fine. Now to add wick.
I bought the whole range of readyXwick's sizes to experiment with my larger coils. The small 1.7mm was working fine for me in the small cubis, and although I could have squeezed the huge 4mm wick inside the donut, I settled for a couple of long strands of the mid-sized 2.7mm. Some of the fibers got roughed up from screwing on the cover too.
Still dry-fires fine when testing it with the wick, so time to fill er' up
First time trying this "americanna" brand. 73% thc is good for the upper range of co2 oils, nice hue, good viscosity in the tank.
The less-than-generous slot in the top-swivel filling cover would suck if you had to scoop/pour your oil in from a jar or with dab tools, but it offers just enough space if you have a syringe with a leur-locking needle (the easiest way to load a tank)
Also, this tank has a fixed mouthpiece, no removable 510 drip tips as I had thought earlier.
(awww)
Making its way around the back, almost done...
I see... wet donuts! (and wick)
Ready to go now, my extreme familiarity with the 10mm donuts from using them in the DTV3 donut atty gave me an good idea for starting settings. Normally I go TCR 200, 32w, 370-440F.
Now for two of them in a tank coil, I started TCR 200 (no reason to change that) 60w, 360F to start. It takes a little over 2 seconds to heat....then instant cloudiness......
Wow...like in a 6 second hit, this is what I'm used to in a 10+ second hit with my dual 7mm donuts in the cubis tanks
Tasting good too! Although this "americanna" brand is a new brand to me, I would agree it somewhat tastes like the durban poison it's made from. It's not the best co2 oil I've vaped, but it's easily tasting better and is much smoother on the throat than many of the distillates I've been messing with recently. If I were to put "better" co2 oils, or HTFSE on this tank, I would expect even better flavor but certainly not bad...and oh boy the cloudiness! I need to make some vids to show this to you guys.
I pumped up the power to 75w now, for sub-2 second warmups. I am not an e-cig guy vaping extreme sub-ohm coils, so this is by far the most wattage I've ever called up for an atomizer. I'm already ordering 3 more x-baby tanks and RBAs This may be the new setup that eventually renders my trusty cubis pro mini donut tanks obsolete. The one thing holding me back on the x-baby's is the larger 25mm size, vs the 22mm cubis. These large tanks will not fit on my eleaf picos at all, and there will be some overhang on my evic VTC minis, although they fit fine on the large cubis and evic primo. Finally, an excuse for me to buy the evic primo mini, for 25mm tank compatibility. This success story may precipitate a big shake-up of "TC mod-to-atomizer-pairings" in my fleet...
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Vape Donkey 650
All vape, no smoke please.
Ok, now for the less-than-super-successful experiments...
For anyone that has the vaporesso VECO tank,
DO NOT FOLLOW MY EARLIER IDEA AND TRY TO DRILL HOLES IN THE CHIMNEY
I attempted this to aid the less-than-satisfactory atomizer coil wicking rate when using medium-thickness co2 oil through the 3 large, but insufficient, default wicking holes. The atomizer chimney was holding back alot of co2 oil, about a half a gram it in this case seems, from reaching the coil, which is a design feature I did not like. Even with all this oil on the tank, the coil was dry, and it was offering no cloud when puffed on.
Even with all this oil on the tank, it wasn't puffing. I wanted to "set this oil free" to get to the coil.
As I learned the hard way, drilling new holes in the chimney caused a breach of the airflow path, mixing it with the juice flow from the inside of the tank. With the unique way the VECO tank mixes top airflow with bottom-loading coils that have airflow coming in from the top, separated from the (sideways, lateral) juice flow, and airflow entering the coil from the bottom, this allowed the juice filled into the tank to leak into the bottom base of the unit, where it does not belong I tested the tank with plain VG after I made this mistake to confirm this.
The red arrow points to where I made a hole. Perhaps you can see how the chimney is hollow, 2 ply metal. On the default wicking holes, this gap in the 2 layers of metal is not open, obviously.
Another angle on another hole. The right part of the pic shows the bottom base of the VECO tank where the coil contacts the center, insulated, gold part, while the top-airflow coming from the chimney goes to the periphery of the base, and enters the coil from the bottom. You can see my leaked VG in there where it shouldn't be. It's a rather clever, if complex, airflow scheme that allows quick changing of coils without getting your fingers sticky. So if you use this tank, don't mess with it.
Here on the left, is the chimney, top-down view. You can see the 2 layers of metal that separate the inner chimney, from the middle-airflow chimney, and the outside of the chimney (the empty tank space, held in by the glass) That air from the chimney is channeled to to the outer / peripheral area of the base of the tank (right arrow), and into the middle and up into the coil.
On the left again, the chimney, bottom side facing up. Can you see the 3 arcs of airflow around the perimeter? This is what feeds air into the bottom case. If I would have taken a closer look and thought it through, I might have been able to avoid this mistake. Oh well. At least I don't have this same airflow dynamic going on with the new x-baby RBA coils drilled with holes.
And just for sharing, this is how that "EUC cCell" looked after being filled with only 1 gram of co2 oil. Pretty crusty. It probably would have held up better if I continued to keep the tank topped off with over 1 gram of oil, but I feel that a 2ml-sized tank shouldn't require that... (that's a design flaw IMO) or also if the oil I used was more fluid, like Steven's THClear runny distillate syringes. But compared to alumina donuts, which are much less crusty even when run dry after many grams vaped, I think these silica cylinders are less clean and flavorful, especially after many fill-ups.
Next to a brand-new unused cCell. The metal wire in the cylinders is quite visible here.
So staying on the topic of the porous silica ceramic cylinders.... yet making a pivot still....
I came back around to trying a cubis coil build with these things. I had tried this atomizer build earlier with some HTFSE, but the initial attempt was a failure due to a lack of information and "user error" As it turns out, this batch of ceramic cylinders I got are made with stainless steel coil wires, which has a TCR figure of about 120 (most TC mods have a pre-set mode for SS)
But I didn't know this, so I falsely presumed these heaters had nichrome wire leads like the donuts I'm used to, which have TCR #'s ranging from around 200-245, for the size / batches I've observed.
So when I set it up with TCR 245 and only 18w, at a low 300F, those settings allowed the mod to grossly overheat my ceramic cylinders, and the first puff on the fill-up was a super huge, hot, grey, nasty combusto-cloud
that probably had a real temp of at least 500-600F It was so gross, but I managed not to cough or throw up. But it was also very irritating on my throat and sinus. I figured out what happened, and dropped my temps, and later set the TCR to the proper SS316L mode, but the damage was done. The initial hot-mistaken hit ruined the flavor of the coil with a carbon-reclaim layer, no matter how low the temp, all puffs after that were still very harsh. This was a waste, and another "learning mistake" so I put this tank/atomizer to the side for a while as I moved on to more profitable tank projects.... That was 3 months ago, fast forward to a few weeks ago...I got back to this coil.
I actually removed almost all the HTFSE from this tank and syringe-transferred it to a separate 7mm donut cubis tank I am using, and the oil was still pretty fresh, so that was ok.
Then I thoroughly alcohol soaked and cleaned the coil and tank. After the user-heating error, the porous cylinders came back almost as white as new.
I added a few strands of the trusty readyXwick 1.7mm this time. Second attempt at this coil, I went with distillate oil, the THClear syringe "strawberry glue" flavor
SS316L mode, 18w, from 360-400F, it is "working" but the clouds are rather inconsistent, and the flavor is quite harsh and unpleasant. I'm blaming that mostly on the excess terpenes of the distillate.
It's not nearly as bad as my double TCR# heat mistake, but the distillate vape is not good with this atomizer. I can barely take 2 or 3 hits in a rapid succession. It irritates my throat too much. Even with 2 heaters, the cloud isn't as big as I'd expect at up to 400F. I try to mess with the air throttle to dial in the best, low-temp hit, and that ideal spot seems to be 2 / 5 air holes open. 4 or 5 holes open makes bigger clouds, but it's so harsh. 2 /5 is less harsh but still not good.
So if I tried filling this atomizer with some good co2 oil instead, or perhaps some thicker, less-terpene-diluted distillate, or that nice HTFSE I've been filling tanks with, I could probably expect better results, right? Probably.
However, I've got some of this same type of semi-irritating terpy distillate on my 5mm donut tanks on some other cubis tanks, and somehow, I'm having more success in moderating the harshness while still getting big clouds. The peppery feeling is still noticeable with donuts, but it seems lesser, too.
So with all these good new options for making smooth, temp-controllable ceramic RTAs that don't leak, these little porous silica tubes seem to be maintaining their second-tier rank, IMO. These things are much better than a traditional cotton wick and metal wire, but in the fields of taste, smoothness, and reclaim-resistance, alumina donuts are much better than the tubes, also.
Hey, nice to see that someone is enjoying those little liberty tanks after I've been spamming them up in several different threads. I was putting that forward more for the sake of argument / sharing / comparing, since I have not used it myself.
It seems that the ceramic heater on some of those liberty tanks are of the porous silica type, like I was talking about earlier. For using with an unregulated, little pen-style battery, and not a TC mod, that's probably one of your better choices.
In the short time that has since passed, even more good stuff has come out. W9's new trinity tank has a 0.5Ω Ti wire with a ceramic wick, and it should be very hard to overheat / burn oil with a small battery due to the sub-ohm coil, but maybe doesn't hit "as hard" as your liberty tank because of that? But that's just another good reason to pair these little tanks with a tiny TC mod like the evic basic (probably shorter than your pen still )
Even the "vape 710" canadian vape pen attys, which for the longest time did not have sub-ohm coils for TC, is finally catching up. Now available with a sub-ohm cCell, although they're always sold out. And I don't know how bottom-airflow tanks like these don't leak out on you, but supposedly the trinity tank doesn't leak.
Even if these are not the kind of tanks I'd like to use, it is good to see the market for tanks for concentrates improving itself.
For anyone that has the vaporesso VECO tank,
DO NOT FOLLOW MY EARLIER IDEA AND TRY TO DRILL HOLES IN THE CHIMNEY
I attempted this to aid the less-than-satisfactory atomizer coil wicking rate when using medium-thickness co2 oil through the 3 large, but insufficient, default wicking holes. The atomizer chimney was holding back alot of co2 oil, about a half a gram it in this case seems, from reaching the coil, which is a design feature I did not like. Even with all this oil on the tank, the coil was dry, and it was offering no cloud when puffed on.
Even with all this oil on the tank, it wasn't puffing. I wanted to "set this oil free" to get to the coil.
As I learned the hard way, drilling new holes in the chimney caused a breach of the airflow path, mixing it with the juice flow from the inside of the tank. With the unique way the VECO tank mixes top airflow with bottom-loading coils that have airflow coming in from the top, separated from the (sideways, lateral) juice flow, and airflow entering the coil from the bottom, this allowed the juice filled into the tank to leak into the bottom base of the unit, where it does not belong
I tested the tank with plain VG after I made this mistake to confirm this.
The red arrow points to where I made a hole. Perhaps you can see how the chimney is hollow, 2 ply metal. On the default wicking holes, this gap in the 2 layers of metal is not open, obviously.
Another angle on another hole. The right part of the pic shows the bottom base of the VECO tank where the coil contacts the center, insulated, gold part, while the top-airflow coming from the chimney goes to the periphery of the base, and enters the coil from the bottom. You can see my leaked VG in there where it shouldn't be. It's a rather clever, if complex, airflow scheme that allows quick changing of coils without getting your fingers sticky. So if you use this tank, don't mess with it.
Here on the left, is the chimney, top-down view. You can see the 2 layers of metal that separate the inner chimney, from the middle-airflow chimney, and the outside of the chimney (the empty tank space, held in by the glass) That air from the chimney is channeled to to the outer / peripheral area of the base of the tank (right arrow), and into the middle and up into the coil.
On the left again, the chimney, bottom side facing up. Can you see the 3 arcs of airflow around the perimeter? This is what feeds air into the bottom case. If I would have taken a closer look and thought it through, I might have been able to avoid this mistake.
Oh well. At least I don't have this same airflow dynamic going on with the new x-baby RBA coils drilled with holes.
And just for sharing, this is how that "EUC cCell" looked after being filled with only 1 gram of co2 oil. Pretty crusty.
It probably would have held up better if I continued to keep the tank topped off with over 1 gram of oil, but I feel that a 2ml-sized tank shouldn't require that... (that's a design flaw IMO) or also if the oil I used was more fluid, like Steven's THClear runny distillate syringes. But compared to alumina donuts, which are much less crusty even when run dry after many grams vaped, I think these silica cylinders are less clean and flavorful, especially after many fill-ups.
Next to a brand-new unused cCell. The metal wire in the cylinders is quite visible here.
So staying on the topic of the porous silica ceramic cylinders.... yet making a pivot still....
I came back around to trying a cubis coil build with these things. I had tried this atomizer build earlier with some HTFSE, but the initial attempt was a failure due to a lack of information and "user error"
As it turns out, this batch of ceramic cylinders I got are made with stainless steel coil wires, which has a TCR figure of about 120 (most TC mods have a pre-set mode for SS)But I didn't know this, so I falsely presumed these heaters had nichrome wire leads like the donuts I'm used to, which have TCR #'s ranging from around 200-245, for the size / batches I've observed.
So when I set it up with TCR 245 and only 18w, at a low 300F, those settings allowed the mod to grossly overheat my ceramic cylinders, and the first puff on the fill-up was a super huge, hot, grey, nasty combusto-cloud
that probably had a real temp of at least 500-600F It was so gross, but I managed not to cough or throw up. But it was also very irritating on my throat and sinus. I figured out what happened, and dropped my temps, and later set the TCR to the proper SS316L mode, but the damage was done. The initial hot-mistaken hit ruined the flavor of the coil with a carbon-reclaim layer, no matter how low the temp, all puffs after that were still very harsh. This was a waste, and another "learning mistake" so I put this tank/atomizer to the side for a while as I moved on to more profitable tank projects.... That was 3 months ago, fast forward to a few weeks ago...I got back to this coil.I actually removed almost all the HTFSE from this tank and syringe-transferred it to a separate 7mm donut cubis tank I am using, and the oil was still pretty fresh, so that was ok.
Then I thoroughly alcohol soaked and cleaned the coil and tank. After the user-heating error, the porous cylinders came back almost as white as new.
I added a few strands of the trusty readyXwick 1.7mm this time. Second attempt at this coil, I went with distillate oil, the THClear syringe "strawberry glue" flavor
SS316L mode, 18w, from 360-400F, it is "working" but the clouds are rather inconsistent, and the flavor is quite harsh and unpleasant.
I'm blaming that mostly on the excess terpenes of the distillate.It's not nearly as bad as my double TCR# heat mistake, but the distillate vape is not good with this atomizer. I can barely take 2 or 3 hits in a rapid succession. It irritates my throat too much. Even with 2 heaters, the cloud isn't as big as I'd expect at up to 400F. I try to mess with the air throttle to dial in the best, low-temp hit, and that ideal spot seems to be 2 / 5 air holes open. 4 or 5 holes open makes bigger clouds, but it's so harsh. 2 /5 is less harsh but still not good.
So if I tried filling this atomizer with some good co2 oil instead, or perhaps some thicker, less-terpene-diluted distillate, or that nice HTFSE I've been filling tanks with, I could probably expect better results, right? Probably.
However, I've got some of this same type of semi-irritating terpy distillate on my 5mm donut tanks on some other cubis tanks, and somehow, I'm having more success in moderating the harshness while still getting big clouds. The peppery feeling is still noticeable with donuts, but it seems lesser, too.
So with all these good new options for making smooth, temp-controllable ceramic RTAs that don't leak, these little porous silica tubes seem to be maintaining their second-tier rank, IMO. These things are much better than a traditional cotton wick and metal wire, but in the fields of taste, smoothness, and reclaim-resistance, alumina donuts are much better than the tubes, also.
Hey, nice to see that someone is enjoying those little liberty tanks after I've been spamming them up in several different threads.
I was putting that forward more for the sake of argument / sharing / comparing, since I have not used it myself.It seems that the ceramic heater on some of those liberty tanks are of the porous silica type, like I was talking about earlier. For using with an unregulated, little pen-style battery, and not a TC mod, that's probably one of your better choices.
In the short time that has since passed, even more good stuff has come out. W9's new trinity tank has a 0.5Ω Ti wire with a ceramic wick, and it should be very hard to overheat / burn oil with a small battery due to the sub-ohm coil, but maybe doesn't hit "as hard" as your liberty tank because of that? But that's just another good reason to pair these little tanks with a tiny TC mod like the evic basic
(probably shorter than your pen still )
Even the "vape 710" canadian vape pen attys, which for the longest time did not have sub-ohm coils for TC, is finally catching up. Now available with a sub-ohm cCell, although they're always sold out. And I don't know how bottom-airflow tanks like these don't leak out on you, but supposedly the trinity tank doesn't leak.
Even if these are not the kind of tanks I'd like to use, it is good to see the market for tanks for concentrates improving itself.
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@Vape Donkey 650, you might have a look at W9TECH's new porous ceramic cylinders.
Guessing these are the same as in the Trinity tank. (@THC SCIENTIFIC?) Sadly, not yet available individually - needed to dig out of atty. Playing with incorporating it into RDA builds. Really soaks up the oil.
So, CO2 oil and distillate are thin because they're decarbed, right? Started out heat purging plus decarbing instead of vacuum purging, and the result was much thinner. Maybe add back terpenes, and it will be thin enough to wick.
Guessing these are the same as in the Trinity tank. (@THC SCIENTIFIC?) Sadly, not yet available individually - needed to dig out of atty. Playing with incorporating it into RDA builds. Really soaks up the oil.
So, CO2 oil and distillate are thin because they're decarbed, right? Started out heat purging plus decarbing instead of vacuum purging, and the result was much thinner. Maybe add back terpenes, and it will be thin enough to wick.
randomtoker
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Wow, interesting to see this thread still alive. Way to go guys! Awesome tests and finds. Also interesting that people keep beating their heads against the same wall (trying to use as thick, and least diluted concentrate, instead of just making diluted juice).
My findings to share since I've last posted (all strictly my opinion for what works for me and my intentions, not necessarily the 'best' for anyone else):
I've tried every ratio and I long ago settled on heavily diluted. I've also tried many gear setups and keep returning to the Aspire Cleito tank (now the new EXO version). It's coils have 3 huge wick slots and vertical chimney coil, nothing compares (EXO also uses the classic Cleito coils, best option: Clapton, 0.4ohm). No other tank I've tested hits as consistently, loads as easily, leaks any less (no matter what they promise), lasts through more refills, nor costs less. They all suck, and this one isn't perfect, but it does what it's supposed to do the best for me. DANGER: The fucker spits, almost deal breaker, but I made a tall curved glass drip tip to stop it, someone needs to sell one of these, it's like MANDATORY. I've tried a bunch of cheap single battery box mods and the Aspire NX75 is still my favorite. I run in Watt mode (Cleito tank does not support Temp Control) at 18 watts and draw hard for cool, thin vapor.
(no association with Aspire, nor VapeNW, just including above links for reference)
BUT, I dilute my concentrates. After almost 2 years at this, I still find: the best solution is dilution.
My recipe for over a year now:
WHY SO DILUTED ???
Holy wall of text batman!! Sorry, not sorry, for super long post. I love this forum. Favorite corner of the internet. Don't take me too seriously, but tell me what you think!
My findings to share since I've last posted (all strictly my opinion for what works for me and my intentions, not necessarily the 'best' for anyone else):
I've tried every ratio and I long ago settled on heavily diluted. I've also tried many gear setups and keep returning to the Aspire Cleito tank (now the new EXO version). It's coils have 3 huge wick slots and vertical chimney coil, nothing compares (EXO also uses the classic Cleito coils, best option: Clapton, 0.4ohm). No other tank I've tested hits as consistently, loads as easily, leaks any less (no matter what they promise), lasts through more refills, nor costs less. They all suck, and this one isn't perfect, but it does what it's supposed to do the best for me. DANGER: The fucker spits, almost deal breaker, but I made a tall curved glass drip tip to stop it, someone needs to sell one of these, it's like MANDATORY. I've tried a bunch of cheap single battery box mods and the Aspire NX75 is still my favorite. I run in Watt mode (Cleito tank does not support Temp Control) at 18 watts and draw hard for cool, thin vapor.
(no association with Aspire, nor VapeNW, just including above links for reference)
BUT, I dilute my concentrates. After almost 2 years at this, I still find: the best solution is dilution.
My recipe for over a year now:
- 1 Gram of concentrate
- 6 ML Propylene Glycol
- 12% additional mixed sweet flavorings (Flavour Art)
- put water in a bowl and microwave for 90 seconds
- put concentrate in small jar and put jar in bowl
- when concentrate melts, pour in PG a little at a time, swirling periodically
- If your concentrate is questionably purged, this is the time to leave it for an hour or so with continuous passive heat to off-gas BEFORE pouring in your PG to mix.
- take jar out of bowl and reheat water periodically
- if it didn't disolve, hit it with a cheapo coffee frother
- add flavors
- once mixed, cap and put in direct sunlight for a couple days
- if your mix was at all greenish (cheap extract) or opaque (emulsified mix), it will become golden as the chlorophyll and nitrogen do their sun magic, and clear as the fatty plant crap separates and floats
- separate and enjoy golden clear juice that won't train-wreak your gear
WHY SO DILUTED ???
- Cannabis clogs everything, you can't fight it. Everything looks like the perfect solution, but try using it for a week, a month, a year? Nope, cannabis cloged it.
- Instead of trying to force a square peg (thick cannabis goo) into a round hole (nicotine juice vaping tanks meant for flowly juice), shave off the corners and be done with it.
- There are many medical studies showing increased skin absorption using Propylene Glycol, that's why it's used in so many body and medical products. Diluting concentrate into PG, creates a highly effective and efficient carrier.
- Flat out safer, thin flowly juice allows vaping at low temp, not producing the dangerous aerosols everyone likes linking to, and not caking up your wick with unvapable plant fats that still sizzle and smoke into every one of your tokes like thick, undiluted juice does.
- Less RAUNCH (cough, cack, hack, you know it). So sick of cannabis hacking, been doing it for over 30 years. Thin mixing juice is the smoothest tokes I've ever had. I've tried everything. No smoke/vape experience gives me less hack response than my mixes. That cannabis twang that makes you hack, I'm just over it. I swim, I run, I freedive. My lungs are in the best physical shape ever. I did a 10K trail run just this past weekend and puffed hard on my vape the whole ride over, greatest run ever. Versus: One vape of flowers or less diluted concentrate, and endless hack.
- Less flooding and leaking! Since the wick doesn't become caked with unvaped plant fat, it doesn't become brittle and full of openings for flooding, instead it remains soft and spongey, ready to soak up fresh juice as it vapes out old.
- Less extract waste! Working with highly concentrated goop in this gear leads to inevitable waste. However, if it's heavily diluted, you're always consuming the maximum amount of your original extract purchase, not leaving it gooped up all over your gear.
- Less gear waste! Working with non-diluted extract leaves unvaporized plant fat oil goo crap all over your wick, burner, and entire vapor path. It builds up, and cakes up, tastes aweful, and ruins your gear. All that stuff is disposable/replaceable and we're just filling the world with garbage. Get as much use out of your stuff and then you'll start enjoying cannabis more and futzing with broke ass gear less. I fill my 3.5 ml tank 20 times with my juice before I need to replace the burner. I don't even need to pull it out and clean it between fillings anymore, it's always so clean. That's living IMO. I never futz with my gear, I just use it.
- Honestly, at the end of the day, I've always preferred sipping something fine with good conversation than doing body shots of tequila at a bar. I like consuming cannabis, I don't want to just take one little toke and be super high, ok done, goodbye? I'm a pothead, not a junkie. I like spliff strength tokes, I like kicking back and enjoying LOTS of tokes, letting my breathing become part of my relaxing routine and settling into a long mellow onset high. Versus sharp spike and crash, super concentrated tokes that get old fast for me, headache, burnout, yay? I puff all day, every day, and I'm never burned out, ever.
- If you dilute your cannabis extract at all, you are already changing the taste. Don't judge me until you've judged yourself
- The main reason I use a big, sub-ohm juice tank vape is for convenience. Since I have to dilute for maximum convenience (least maintenance), I have to flavor because diluted extract tastes gross. Period.
- If you're going to flavor at all, you're best to COMPLETELY REPLACE THE FLAVOR. Trust me, no matter how good your cannabis + fruity thing tastes at first, it will just turn into a sour, half cannabis tasting mess. I KNOW! (barf)
- Sharp flavors should be avoided (all fruity stuff). Cannabis causes all flavors to 'sour' as its own flavors 'sour' as your juice is slowly vaped. It's gross. It happens on every scale of juice vaping.
- Flat, and especially Sweet flavors do the best to completely replace the diluted / half cannabis flavor and maintain a mask over the underneath cannabis flavor souring. It may sound like BS, but it works. I recommend mellow sweet things like plain sweetener, marshmallow, glazed donut, graham cracker, cheesecake. Custard, and vanilla custard work mixed with others, but can tend to sour, use sparingly. Caramel works in conjunction with others, just use very little as it can tend to sour also. Shoot for the really flat flat flavors, the cereal flavors work too. Nothing fruity or pronounced, flat flat sweet sweet is key.
- What I love about concentrate is that it isn't that wire headed, headache-inducing, spinny, headsoup, mess of cannabis buds (took me years to get past it, I loved flowers for decades, but I'm here for the THC and CBD). Fuck all that burnout / raunch / throat cack / lung heave, B-fucking-S, terpene garbage, there I said it: I HATE INHALING TERPENES AND YOU SHOULD TOO.
- Seriously though, that's it. Adding terpenes to juice makes it suck. I wish everyone (especially commercial mini-pen fillers/distributors) would stop. I've tried them all. I've tried mixing with them all, in all possible combinations, with and without additional flavorings, in various different carriers. I mean really, admit it, it sucks. Give me THC and CBD, I can go do aromatherapy any time I want, when I'm inhaling cannabis I just want to INHALE please, not cough.
Holy wall of text batman!! Sorry, not sorry, for super long post. I love this forum. Favorite corner of the internet. Don't take me too seriously, but tell me what you think!
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