Advanced THC e-Juice / mods / tanks / coils / builds / recipes

[Deleted Member 1643]

Welcome back, @randomtoker! Here's a present for you - the drip tip you're looking for.

Agree with most of what you say. What volume of PG are you inhaling each day? Do you do lung hits? Seems like that's the down-side. Many find it irritating and controversy over health effects continues.

And flavors. With almost all flavors, at least some components present concerns when heated or inhaled - in any amount. This is coming from the Flavor and Extract Manufacturers Association (pdf), an industry organization that promotes flavor use. The other components aren't necessarily better, most just haven't been tested. Concerned because you seem like a young, healthy person. Personally, use flavored e-liquid daily - too old to care about developing lung cancer or COPD in twenty years.

Just started dabbling in cannabis-derived terpenes. Very impressed with effects. Only tried one that's mainly myrcene and linalool for a sedating effect. Don't know where it's going, just wanted to satisfy curiosity.

Look forward to your future posts!

 

[Vapology]

My recipe for over a year now:

• 1 Gram of concentrate
• 6 ML Propylene Glycol
• 12% additional mixed sweet flavorings (Capella)

SOLD! I will try your mix this weekend. Everything you are writing sounds reasonable to me. I just ordered a bottle PG and a bottle MCT oil so i can start experimenting and find my own perfect cut
Have you @randomtoker ever diluted your concentrates with MCT oil? What is your opinion on MCT oils as thinning agent?

 

[randomtoker]

@Accept - nice! I'll look into those drip tips.

As far as volume, a full tank generally goes at least a few days. It's for general daytime and casual use. In the evening I'll have a dab if I ever want to blast. PG doesn't bother me. VG however, completely irritates my whole respiratory area.

As far as flavors, I've followed all the info on Diacetyl and the various cream flavors and manufacturers in which it has been found. It's not difficult to avoid, and the single most important thing to know about it is that all cigarettes contain thousands of times more by volume. I mostly just use plain sweetener anyway as it works the best. Maybe just me, but I felt the sharp fruity flavors were really harsher to puff compared to mellow sweet flavors. Not just flavor-wise, they felt harsher on the lungs also.

**EDIT: My terpene findings from when I was experimenting: I found Linalool the most effective for adding sedating feel. Myrcene could contribute uplifting effects in small amounts, but shifts to sedating with more volume. I found Limonene added edgy, almost hyper effects in small amounts. And I found Beta-Carotene to be the one that adds the most cannabis- like flavor, but careful cause it overpowers fast and gets perfumey. It apparently acts as an enabler for other terpenes, so consider mixing it in also.

When experimenting with terpenes and inhaled products, stay in the same rough % by volume as flowers (generally less than 2% by weight). I stopped because I felt more irritated puffing juice with than without.

@Vapology - I started with 1/3 ratio when I first went to sub- ohm, but quickly stepped up to 1/5. Over the course of the next year, I went even lower to 1/6 - 1/8 as I realized how much cleaner the gear (particularly the wick) remained after constant use. Your sweet spot may vary.

I also experience less flooding as the wick isn't becoming caked with unvaped plant fat and rendering it brittle instead of remaining spongey. (I'll update previous post with this also).

As far as MCT, Accept started a great thread on that. I've got a bottle on my wishlist. I wanted to thoroughly 'get' PG first, but I'll give it a shot soon. Interestingly, I've spoken with several nic vape shop owners and juice makers, and the word from nic vapers is they'd LOVE to be using MCT, the industry just can't afford it. To expensive by volume for the amount nic vapers go though.

 

[Deleted Member 1643]

As far as flavors, I've followed all the info on Diacetyl and the various cream flavors and manufacturers in which it has been found. It's not difficult to avoid, and the single most important thing to know about it is that all cigarettes contain thousands of times more by volume. I mostly just use plain sweetener anyway as it works the best.

The fewer components, the better. What sweetener do you use? Just curious, don't know of any specific concerns.

Diacetyl should certainly be avoided. Do you know what other chemicals your flavors are made of? Vaping started as a professional interest. Cross-referenced flavor components against FEMA's warning list. There are dozens of hits. Some flavors contained up to seven, distinct chemicals of concern. Could probably dig up the research if interested.

Yes, tobacco smoke contains thousands of harmful components, but it doesn't follow that it contains all of the components in e-liquids. E-liquids are exposing a large population to new, uncharacterized risks that are distinct from those in tobacco smoke. Were you a smoker who switched to vaping?

This doesn't seem so welcoming. It is well-intentioned. Everyone needs to decide for themselves how much risk they want to take on. This issue has become so polarized that it can be difficult to find an unbiased perspective.

 

[randomtoker]

The fewer components, the better. What sweetener do you use? Just curious, don't know of any specific concerns.

Diacetyl should certainly be avoided. Do you know what other chemicals your flavors are made of? Vaping started as a professional interest. Cross-referenced flavor components against FEMA's warning list. There are dozens of hits. Some flavors contained up to seven, distinct chemicals of concern. Could probably dig up the research if interested.

Yes, tobacco smoke contains thousands of harmful components, but it doesn't follow that it contains all of the components in e-liquids. E-liquids are exposing a large population to new, uncharacterized risks that are distinct from those in tobacco smoke. Were you a smoker who switched to vaping?

This doesn't seem so welcoming. It is well-intentioned. Everyone needs to decide for themselves how much risk they want to take on. This issue has become so polarized that it can be difficult to find an unbiased perspective.

I use Capella and Flavour Art primarily, sweeteners are usually Sucralose, sugar, stevia. You can find info on dangers of high temp and Sucralose, but again, don't do high temp. The whole point of bigger vape gear for me is to better control consistent, low temp draws.

I wasn't a smoker, I only mention it because people are prone to hysteria regarding everything to do with vaping when every car driving by you is also killing you with its exhaust. It doesn't diminish potential vaping concerns, but perspective is generally not there at all when people put vaping under the microscope.

 

[zenus420]

Hello Everyone!

What a great thread this is! I have read most of it an some others in this awesome forum.

I have been searching for something to go to the concerts and have finally found a solution, literally! I tried the PAX and many concentrate pens but I never was moved. I thought thc-juice would be an option, albeit a not-so-strong, one, but at least I would be stealth. I thought it would be hard to justify bringing in a concentrate pen (and therefore landing in the pen) but an e-juice device would be much less conspicuous and I can always just come in with a nic-liquid atomizer and then switch tanks. So like I do with everything, I researched, and that lead me here.

I had great success with a 3:1 Wax Liquidizer (WL) to BHO concentrate (shatter). I loaded it into a Vapresso Veco tanc with a .5 ohm EUC SS316L Ccell on top of a tarot nano set at 25W and WOW! one hit was like taking two 2.5 ft bong hits! Crazy! So strong, it was too strong for my wife.

So this set up is working for me. I do have interest in the 710 and liberty v9 tanks Vape Donkey and others have talked about but I don't think they will be as effective or as satisfying. They probably require a thicker mix (1:1 or 2:1) which will lead to more gunking and burning, but my mind is open. I like that they are much smaller and that they use alumina ceramic but I doubt they will give me the vapor I am getting from my current set up, or will they? Inculcate me!

I have some questions:
1.)What is the cause of spitting? Is it because the liquid is too fluid (low viscosity) or is it because the wattage is too low (or both)?

2.) Any advice on temperature settings? I was told that the tarot nano only came with a clapton wire cCell, and therefore could not be temp controlled, but after I read up on it, I found out it is a SS coil which can control temperature.

3.) And on that note, do I have to vaporize at a certain temperature to vaporize all the psychoactive components (THC-V) or is everything there when vaporization occurs?

4.) Lastly, my veco tank leaked. I have no idea why they say it is leak proof. It seems that unless there is a removable damn or screen in the mouthpiece oil will always leak there, but also, it seems so leak through the air holes. You can close them, but I cont think they seal closed/Are there any better options out there that use ceramic (My reading has convinced me that ceramic is better, but my mind is open if other options are found to be better).
Anyone tried or have opinions on the Guardian or Gemini Vape Tank. It looks like an upgraded Veco.

I look forward to your responses!

PS: I already did this on another thread I was following but I want to send a special thank you: Vape donkey 50 (I hope to buy a alumina donut atomizer designed by you soon!), PakaloloVape, Randomtoker, florduh, Steven, Grow Goddess, Dabuisnez for their invaluable help and insights. You guys/gals Rock!

 

[lostmyv6]

Hey guys! I was going to get into maxing thc infused eliquid and was going to use wax liquidizer to make the mixture as thats one of the best I seen around but I'm having trouble looking for a mod. I went on /r/vaporents and was told that I should just a CCELL or maxvapors cart as with any normal ejuice tank will clog up quickly. So I was wondering what do you guys recommend? I was looking at the innokin kroma 75W box mod that has temp control and thought that would be perfect for it so has anyone ever used it for it or have a similar mod that can give me advice?

 

[zenus420]

Hey guys! I was going to get into maxing thc infused eliquid and was going to use wax liquidizer to make the mixture as thats one of the best I seen around but I'm having trouble looking for a mod. I went on /r/vaporents and was told that I should just a CCELL or maxvapors cart as with any normal ejuice tank will clog up quickly. So I was wondering what do you guys recommend? I was looking at the innokin kroma 75W box mod that has temp control and thought that would be perfect for it so has anyone ever used it for it or have a similar mod that can give me advice?

See above. I have had great success with the kit I bought which I described in the post right before yours.

 

[lostmyv6]

See above. I have had great success with the kit I bought which I described in the post right before yours.

I did see your post and noted it but I seen a few post about the veco leaking including yours and I don't want to take that chance when I'm payin 50$ a G really( I want to make sure I get every drop). The kroma looked all around good and the slipstream tank is pretty sturdy and well reviewed but I don't know how it will handle to thc ejuice even with temp control.

And I will try to make one 3-1 and see how good it is I want potency more then flavor tbh so I will also try a 2-1 mixture and see how it goes.

 

[zenus420]

I did see your post and noted it but I seen a few post about the veco leaking including yours and I don't want to take that chance when I'm payin 50$ a G really( I want to make sure I get every drop). The kroma looked all around good and the slipstream tank is pretty sturdy and well reviewed but I don't know how it will handle to thc ejuice even with temp control.

And I will try to make one 3-1 and see how good it is I want potency more then flavor tbh so I will also try a 2-1 mixture and see how it goes.

Cool. At that price it should be good with a 3:1, but let us know how it goes. I don't know if it was user error on the leaking, but I have tried to tighten everything and still get a little..a very little. Still I understand your concerns.

 

[lostmyv6]

Cool. At that price it should be good with a 3:1, but let us know how it goes. I don't know if it was user error on the leaking, but I have tried to tighten everything and still get a little..a very little. Still I understand your concerns.

I most certainly will but looking on fasttech it seems they have the tarot with the veco for 49$ it looks like a great steal so I may have to get it honestly.

 

[Lambshank91]

Hi

I came across this thread and it has some great information!
I am also on a mission to find a way to suitibly vaporize Rosin/BHO with disposable cartridges but have had little success so far!
I started with the auto 510 pens with the plastic carts and a 1:1 ratio (Rosin & Wax Liquidizer) which clogged up in no time, then moved onto a similar pen battery unit with 3 different heat settings coupled with a Liberty V8 cartridge and a ratio of 3:1 (Rosin & Wax Liquidizer) they worked for around 10-20 puffs then clog some even less. I am yet to try with BHO which I know will work slightly better due to being more refined than Rosin but not sure if it will be 100% successful!

I have also been reading that these suspension fluids such as Wax Liquidizer use the heavier PEG200 and PEG400 in order to homogenise with the concentrate! But these are no good by the sounds of it.

I know that these disposable cartridges work as dispensaries and other individuals sell them, so just wondering how they actually get them to work as it seems everyone is having similar issues getting this stuff to actually work as close to 100% as possible. Has anyone had any experience with these disposable cartridges and how well they work and the longevity of them?

Thanks in advanced

 

[lostmyv6]

Hi

I came across this thread and it has some great information!
I am also on a mission to find a way to suitibly vaporize Rosin/BHO with disposable cartridges but have had little success so far!
I started with the auto 510 pens with the plastic carts and a 1:1 ratio (Rosin & Wax Liquidizer) which clogged up in no time, then moved onto a similar pen battery unit with 3 different heat settings coupled with a Liberty V8 cartridge and a ratio of 3:1 (Rosin & Wax Liquidizer) they worked for around 10-20 puffs then clog some even less. I am yet to try with BHO which I know will work slightly better due to being more refined than Rosin but not sure if it will be 100% successful!

I have also been reading that these suspension fluids such as Wax Liquidizer use the heavier PEG200 and PEG400 in order to homogenise with the concentrate! But these are no good by the sounds of it.

I know that these disposable cartridges work as dispensaries and other individuals sell them, so just wondering how they actually get them to work as it seems everyone is having similar issues getting this stuff to actually work as close to 100% as possible. Has anyone had any experience with these disposable cartridges and how well they work and the longevity of them?

Thanks in advanced

Maybe try the vape710 carts or the maxvapor ones they use ceramic heating elements so it should be better

 

[Lambshank91]

Maybe try the vape710 carts or the maxvapor ones they use ceramic heating elements so it should be better

Thanks I will have a look at those, the liberty v8 has a ceramic coil but the holes are too small to take in the oil sufficiently, I think Rosin just isn't the best thing for these types of cartridge

 

[Gazaam]

Ok, with rosin, wouldn't the residual plant matter eventually gunk up the coil and other parts if the cart or tank?

 

[Lambshank91]

Ok, with rosin, wouldn't the residual plant matter eventually gunk up the coil and other parts if the cart or tank?

Yes it's does very quickly, I'm going to winterise it now and then see how it goes

 

[Gazaam]

Good idea. When you get it fully dissolved in the warm Etoh, you might want to filter it before freezing. I'll be interested to see what precipitates out when you winterize is it. Probably a fair bit of crap, though some of the waxes may have too high a melting point to get squished out. I'm guessing that if you can control the temp of the rosin press precisely, the amount that drops out later during winterization might be fairly negligible. Of course, even if that is true, you still have the issue of the plant matter so you'd have to dissolve it in something and run it through a filter and then extract the solvent.

So back to square one unless there is some vape device on the market that can tolerate the plant matter until everything is vaped. Then you could soak the coil, tank, etc. in solvent to clean the plant junk off. I also just read somewhere that you can buy an ultrasonic cleaner for vaping gear for about $50.

 

[Lambshank91]

Good idea. When you get it fully dissolved in the warm Etoh, you might want to filter it before freezing.

Yes that's the plan, I'm still planning on trying more cartridges as the V8 Liberty is ok but doesn't last long even with CBD

 

[Gazaam]

Just edited my last post and added a bunch of new thoughts.

 

[Lambshank91]

Just edited my last post and added a bunch of new thoughts.

I'm hoping the winterisation will take out enough to make it more useable in the disposable cartridges other wise I will just use the Rosin for edibles, will keep post my results once I have done a test run

 

[Gazaam]

I'm looking forward with interest to some pics maybe or even drying and weighing what precipitates out during winterization. I have never seen any data on winterizing rosin. Could be cleaner than a solvent extract or BHO. You are venturing into unchartered waters, I think.

 

[Deleted Member 1643]

Ok, with rosin, wouldn't the residual plant matter eventually gunk up the coil and other parts if the cart or tank?

See @randomtoker's above post above. Concentrates generally gunk up coils quickly. Remember - the solution to pollution is dilution.

Yes it's does very quickly, I'm going to winterise it now and then see how it goes

Might help, but isn't rosin desirable mainly because it's solvent-free? Why not do QWET to begin with? Also, how are you going to purge afterward - high temp or low temp plus vacuum? High temp is faster and easier. It can be combined with decarbing to produce a thinner oil. But you'll lose terpenes.

When you get it fully dissolved in the warm Etoh, you might want to filter it before freezing.

You'll need to filter after winterizing, so filtering before is probably unnecessary. Filter as quickly as possible to keep the solution cold. You'll have a relatively small volume, so you'll want to use a Buchner funnel (vacuum) to avoid significant loss in the membrane. This can be a pre-filtration step followed with a 0.2 um cellulose acetate syringe filter to get even cleaner end-product.

Done all this - QWET, Buchner funnel, syringe filter. Concentrate still gunks up coils quickly. Winterized BHO should be cleaner.

I also just read somewhere that you can buy an ultrasonic cleaner for vaping gear for about $50.

Recommended. See @t-dub's guide. Been using Dark Crystal Clear as an ultrasonic cleaner solution with excellent results. Only suitable for hard materials - metal, ceramic, glass - not silicone o-rings, etc.

I'm hoping the winterisation will take out enough to make it more useable in the disposable cartridges other wise I will just use the Rosin for edibles

Seems like a waste of high-quality rosin. You can use anything for edibles. You'll also need to decarb at some point for edibles.

 

[Lambshank91]

See @randomtoker's above post above. Concentrates generally gunk up coils quickly. Remember - the solution to pollution is dilution.


Might help, but isn't rosin desirable mainly because it's solvent-free? Why not do QWET to begin with? Also, how are you going to purge afterward - high temp or low temp plus vacuum? High temp is faster and easier. It can be combined with decarbing to produce a thinner oil. But you'll lose terpenes.



You'll need to filter after winterizing, so filtering before is probably unnecessary. Filter as quickly as possible to keep the solution cold. You'll have a relatively small volume, so you'll want to use a Buchner funnel (vacuum) to avoid significant loss in the membrane. This can be a pre-filtration step followed with a 0.2 um cellulose acetate syringe filter to get even cleaner end-product.

Done all this - QWET, Buchner funnel, syringe filter. Concentrate still gunks up coils quickly. Winterized BHO should be cleaner.



Recommended. See @t-dub's guide. Been using Dark Crystal Clear as an ultrasonic cleaner solution with excellent results. Only suitable for hard materials - metal, ceramic, glass - not silicone o-rings, etc.



Seems like a waste of high-quality rosin. You can use anything for edibles. You'll also need to decarb at some point for edibles.

Thank you for the info, that's why I'm thinking of using BHO due to all the extra work you have to do to the Rosin to make it suitable to use in carts.
I dab the Rosin but have so much of it I just wanted to try in in the carts.

 

[Vape Donkey 650]

Wow, lots of new people and content on the old thc e-juice thread, very nice! @randomtoker, nice to see you randomly tokin' it up with us again. I want to respond to some of you guys, but first may I submit an update on the x-baby RBA and 5mm donut cubis tank projects.....

So I've been loving this big 24.5 (25?) mm tank with the dual 10mm donuts so far...no doubt it is potent and I'm only scratching the surface, going "part-throttle" on it, with low temps, short puff durations, (and air throttle too)

About 120 hits into the 1-gram fill-up so far, and I'm getting a good idea, but still plenty testing to do...

The main thing holding me back from fully enjoying this tank, at first, was the large "810" drip tip mouthpiece, it was allowing a decent amount of spitting to my lip / tongue. I was trying to limit this by reducing the air throttle, but only puffing on the mouthpiece more softly solved the spitting, but that also was limiting the clouds / performance by puffing more softly

So I needed a smaller drip tip, and it turns out I was wrong on my earlier statements: the 810 drip tip is indeed removeable (very tight and hard to take off) and you can downsize to a standard 510 drip tip with an "810 to 510" adapter"

I picked up a few of these, used the opportunity to splurge on a few new drip tips also (DTAS?)

So now I have a reasonable sized, smaller inner-diameter 510 drip tip on top, and the spitting problem is about 90% reduced now (most of the thrown oil accumulates underneath the 510 drip tip now)

This has really opened up the x-baby tank for me now. I can puff on it reasonably strong, with no spitting, air throttle about 2/3 or 3/4 or so open, still a low 370F, and I can fetch, big, (some-what airy) satisfying, tasty clouds, with short, 5-6 second puffs.

The durban poison strain on this co2 oil is really nice too. A couple back-to-back puffs gives me a solid sativa rush and tastes great

I also decided to take up @KeroZen's advice and got a bunch of "510 extender / adapters" or, "heat sinks" for my mods. A big 25mm copper sink to match the copper evic primo, hopefully this will protect the mod's 510 threads during more frequent atty changes in the future? It fits super tight with the tank / mod with the adjustable copper pin, but it also hasn't changed the live resistance, which remains very stable & steady I noticed this big tank gets the CPU gets hotter than my other tanks (90's-100F after a few puffs) so hopefully the heat sink will help

I usually keep the tank / mod stored on a tilt, to "swish" the oil back and forth across the large rba coil to keep it moist inside, in between usage, but I don't know if that's really necessary

I could also ensure the coil stays wet by re-filling it already, but I want to get an idea on how well this tank "scavenges" all the oil that's loaded, or how well it can puff when the oil level is low. My instinct is that it won't be as good as the smaller cubis in that regard, but we'll see. But I will refill this x-baby the moment it starts feeling dry and not puffing well, and take note of that fill-level.

So an early pro's / con's summary:

I think I already told you guys know the +'s let me get to the -'s

- It has a tendency to spit a little bit, until you get a 810-510 adapter, then that problem is solved! I'd also note, with this tank you can "feel" the hot rush of air / vape over your lips & front teeth, like a fine, hot aerosol / sticky mist whooshing past your lips soon after reaching temp. I haven't noticed this with any other tank (even after the 810-to-510 reduction)


- It could be an oil / battery hog! Although I haven't logged complete data on either of those 2 inputs yet. 120+ puffs and seeing all that oil still left on my tank is ok, but that many only reflect my holding-back, (I'm kind of scared of this tank hot mist ) but the batteries being about 52%, ~3.6v after 120 puffs, that's kind of battery hoggish IMO. 75w, 0.375Ω on 2 3000mah 18650s. My smaller 5mm and 7mm donut tanks can go way further on a single 18650, (I've logged over 200 puffs per charge on some of those)

- This thing is BIG AF! Just look at it...compared to my little evic basic with a little 5mm donut cubis pro mini tank on it..even with the new 510-heat sink I threw on it making it look bigger, the x-baby / evic primo dwarfs it. The x-baby tank w / heat sink alone is bigger than the evic basic mod.

It's bigger than I'd like, but not so big to carry around if you want to. The lil' evic with only 60w max, and 1500 mah, it would barely power the big x-baby (which would overhang) RBA with two 10mm donuts and that would be un-advisable, like battery abuse. But the little 5mm and 7mm donuts still make plenty of good vape in a smaller profile. Punches above their weight? My predictions of the cubis being obsolete to me may have been pre-mature...I have some new ideas to pump up the old cubis and make it compete with the big new SMOK tanks still....



So now pivot...to my evic VTC's with the dual 5mm mini-donut tanks, filled with runny, over-terped distillate...those are still doing ok... I guess

If I'm not brimming with enthusiasm over those projects a few months old now, it's mostly because of some of the runny distillate's I've filled these new tanks with, which I didn't think were so great. Flavor: overly strong and fake tasting. I think @randomtoker is onto something when he says

Maybe just me, but I felt the sharp fruity flavors were really harsher to puff compared to mellow sweet flavors. Not just flavor-wise, they felt harsher on the lungs also.

I didn't care for the "blueberry diesel" I put on my tank for sativa, somewhat harsh, however, the "master yoda og" that I put on my indica tank I actually took a liking to, after a while. The initially strong taste mellows out after a few dozen puffs, and the light hue becomes amber and darker. The master yoda og actually tasted somewhat like an OG strain, and tickles my throat much less than the blueberry. (The distillate oil that I couldn't stand on my experimental dual silica ceramic cylinder coil was "strawberry glue" maybe that's what doomed that experiment too )

My next distillate syringes are "gorilla glue" and "girl scout cookie" flavored, which should be less sweet and fruity than my sativa fill-ups so far, so hopefully I will like those "strains" more when I get around to them?

Anyways, after about 150 puffs, the sativa tank level was a bit low, but still puffing strong, but I wanted to refill it anyways, that was a mistake

That much still there, before I decided to refill, darkened but still moves quick and easy

With a full 1 gram refill, the tank was topped off, and over-filled, as I found out

Hue re-lightened, but with this much distillate filled on the tank, it was SPIT CITY!

The initial fill-up I was huffing light and easy at 365F, with big air, 3 or 4 / 5 air holes open, and this was alright, with the low temp to counter the terpene harshness, and it was ok, with nice, big, easy cool clouds.

Now... overfilled, those same settings, I was getting only gurgling / spitting, and flavor, but no vapor! Alot of spitting, I eventually had to close the air throttle to 2 or 3 holes open, and reluctantly raise the temp all the way to 420F to get any substantial cloud. With the tank over-filled, it would hardly fetch a cloud at a lower setting. This annoyed me, but I messed up on myself, (flooded the coil?) and paid the price with hotter vape than I want. It's still puffing ok now, but alot of oil was wasted, scraped from the drip-tip.

This is how it sits now, after the refill, spitting, and re-adjustment, and dozens puffs later

I learned my lesson, and when I re-filled the black evic with the master yoda OG, I filled only about 500mg, and avoided the spitting and waste, but I did have to raise the temp to 410F now to keep the clouds coming, when before I was fine at 370F. Don't know the reason for this? Breaking in?

But the lesson so far I guess, is that the 5mm donuts are quite potent (and more compact & efficient overall) in the cubis tank still, but also that I'm also not a huge fan of some distillate oils, too.

I think these 5mm donuts would work great with co2 oil also, I'm hoping to get some more of these soon, maybe try a dual 5mm donut vaporesso veco coil?

I also will build a new x-baby RBA coil and fill one with distillate oil to cross-compare the tanks / donuts with similar oils, but I may cheat and use some thicker, less terpy distillate syringes I've obtained also? 3 more of these big tanks / rbas on the way from china still, soon....

 

[Vape Donkey 650]

@Vape Donkey 650, you might have a look at W9TECH's new porous ceramic cylinders.



Guessing these are the same as in the Trinity tank. (@THC SCIENTIFIC?) Sadly, not yet available individually - needed to dig out of atty. Playing with incorporating it into RDA builds. Really soaks up the oil.

Interesting...nice find. Looks similar to source's new "core" atomizer coils?

With the main difference being the W9 cylinders have a wire (Ti?) inside that heats the porous ceramic from the inside, while these source "cores" appear to have an alumina ceramic heater, presumably with wire leads soldered in at the ends to allow to act as an integral, resistive heater just like my donuts...and the porous wick is on the inside?

Both of these hold interest to me... I hope they are compact enough to fit inside that big new smok x-baby rba coil? (Maybe)

But even more fundamentally, can you remove the wick / heater from these W9 / Source atty's without destroying them?

Very few company's replacement coils allow you to take them apart / rebuild them, that's why I'm using the cubis and DT donuts so much. (sucked how the trinity tank only comes apart for you, in pieces, but it's not intended to be RBA ) Would suck to spend 15-20 bucks on coils only to see I can't use em?

So, CO2 oil and distillate are thin because they're decarbed, right? Started out heat purging plus decarbing instead of vacuum purging, and the result was much thinner. Maybe add back terpenes, and it will be thin enough to wick.

Co2 oil doesn't have to be thin, I've seen it at various consistencies, but co2 "shatters" aside, co2 oil always "runs" for you at room temperature, slow or fast. Co2 is decarbed by default, by the super-crtiical solvent process, and although it usually tests not much higher than 70% purity and leaves some residue behind, it varies in how much gunk it leaves behind (quality of input material i suspect)

Distillate is a whole different process. I initially thought it was" solvent free" but turns out its does involve solvents (alcohol) and alot of processing. I thought it only used "gentle heat distllation" to get pure cannabinoids out of flowers, but after I saw this video @invertedisdead posted, I can see there's alot more involved.

They use a ton of solvents to make distillate

I don't have a problem with all that processing and solvents; it's well-purged after all. It's the artificial tastes that result with imperfect terpene mixing, after this very pure product is finished, that I don't always like.

This is leading me to believe co2 oil remains the superior product to fill your tank with (if you have access to it) but I'll keep messing with distillates for now....

So this set up is working for me. I do have interest in the 710 and liberty v9 tanks Vape Donkey and others have talked about but I don't think they will be as effective or as satisfying. They probably require a thicker mix (1:1 or 2:1) which will lead to more gunking and burning, but my mind is open. I like that they are much smaller and that they use alumina ceramic but I doubt they will give me the vapor I am getting from my current set up, or will they? Inculcate me!

I have some questions:
1.)What is the cause of spitting? Is it because the liquid is too fluid (low viscosity) or is it because the wattage is too low (or both)?

2.) Any advice on temperature settings? I was told that the tarot nano only came with a clapton wire cCell, and therefore could not be temp controlled, but after I read up on it, I found out it is a SS coil which can control temperature.

3.) And on that note, do I have to vaporize at a certain temperature to vaporize all the psychoactive components (THC-V) or is everything there when vaporization occurs?

4.) Lastly, my veco tank leaked. I have no idea why they say it is leak proof. It seems that unless there is a removable damn or screen in the mouthpiece oil will always leak there, but also, it seems so leak through the air holes. You can close them, but I cont think they seal closed/Are there any better options out there that use ceramic (My reading has convinced me that ceramic is better, but my mind is open if other options are found to be better).
Anyone tried or have opinions on the Guardian or Gemini Vape Tank. It looks like an upgraded Veco.

I look forward to your responses!

PS: I already did this on another thread I was following but I want to send a special thank you: Vape donkey 50 (I hope to buy a alumina donut atomizer designed by you soon!), PakaloloVape, Randomtoker, florduh, Steven, Grow Goddess, Dabuisnez for their invaluable help and insights. You guys/gals Rock!

I don't know if it was user error on the leaking, but I have tried to tighten everything and still get a little..a very little. Still I understand your concerns.

Hey there, welcome to FC! Small thing: the v9 tanks use a silica ceramic (not alumina) but no biggie

Your #s:
1. Your veco is spitting on you? Not sure on that, I experienced only a little bit of that with my attempt using 1g of co2 on that tank. Did you over-fill it (like very little / no visible glass on the tank when filled?)

Over-filling big tanks with concentrates leads to initial spitting in many cases, I've found. Lower viscosity oils / mixes also tend to spit more easily, and having too low heat (or watts) can also contribute to this, I've found but it could be a mix of causes.

The air throttle being too wide open also contributes to spitting, maybe try closing it to half-way or less?

2. The tarot nano does TC / TCR and more. I hope the TC on the tarot works better than my target mini tank (which sucked). For your veco tank coils? Just follow the recommended settings on the coil. I believe all the EUC cCells have SS wires, use TC-SS mode. Probably above 400F for big vapor with SS coils

3. Great question! THCv vapes at around 430F, (427F?) I've read, although there's some muddle and confusion to exactly what temp it would vape, under what conditions. But if you set your mod to TC-SS, 430, 435F, you can probably vape most of the THCv in your concentrate without burning anything.

Now...the deeper question might be, does your concentrate even have THCv in it to begin with? (Most strains don't) and does your solvent mixing process preserve the THCv if it was there to start?

4. That sucks...leaking. But if it's only coming from the mouthpiece, and you're getting spitting, that sounds more like spit oil accumulating and becoming a runny mass, and it could lead to clogs (think that's what happened to @Steven)

But if you're really getting oil coming out of the air intake slots, from the inside, that would be leaking. I'm surprised this is happening? Did you "over-fill" the tank to start? Do you leave it in hot cars, laying on it's side for extended periods perhaps? I didn't see any leaking of this kind with the veco, I'd like to see what Steve thinks about your "leaky" veco

Hope that helps you...