Advanced E-cig users and oil/wax, how-to "one-hitter-quitter"

[Hyphy]

The only reason I can think of for wattage based TC is to control overshoot which means the temp ramps up so fast that once the temp registers with the controller, the temp has already blown past it. Overshoot depends on how much logic is designed into the mod and whether the temp ramp is slowed as it reaches temp or whether it's full bore until the target temp is sensed. I believe some of pbusardos vids get into this testing. All this only matters though if you want absolute accuracy to get high lol.

 

[growinsmoke]

I agree with your reasoning. I am happy enough with my istick, but the temperature control isn't that smooth. I think being able to adjust max wattage would be the easy way to smooth it out compared to better TC logic.

Although, it won't be long before all of the manufactures get the logic locked down.

 

[2clicker]

btw if you are eyeing the Evic VT you may want to wait it out for the new VTC coming soon. its the same device, but smaller, replaceable cell, and has firmware upgradability. overall a better device than the standard VT. still a couple of weeks away from shipping though.

well the waiting is over already! there are a couple of US vendors selling and shipping the Evic VTC today. i placed a new order today and had shipping/tracking an hour later.

ecig.com

and sweet vapes has them as well

 

[Joel W.]

I just looked at my time counter on my evic and it has over 10660 seconds of run time already... A solid device, imo..

I see no need to upgrade just yet for me thought unless you guys think I should, as I am easily swayed by peer pressure.

 

[2clicker]

I just looked at my time counter on my evic and it has over 10660 seconds of run time already... A solid device, imo..

I see no need to upgrade just yet for me thought unless you guys think I should, as I am easily swayed by peer pressure.

the only reason i got the VTC was because of the units size and cell swapability. i had a clouper mini of which i loved. esp its size. anyway, i had always wished the VT was smaller. so i had to get it.

ill be keeping my VT as my home rig and the VTC for outings.

 

[fernand]

Why wattage AND TC? Ok, let me explain. I'm a tweak. I tried my friend's iStick 40 TC, and hate it. Feedback control systems are much more complicated than meets the eye. The iStick's is crude. Yes, it slams the pedal to the metal and overshoots, i.e. overheats. @Hyphy is right. Then I didn't like the particular way it hunts after reaching target. It's like driving a BMW vs a 1/2 ton pickup with a camper. True, they both get you to the speed limit, but it's a different feel.

And temperature isn't constant across the length of any coil wire, the control algorithm has no way to tell and no way in hell to compensate. And even if temp were even along the wire, temperature is not equalized across the load. So. I prefer a more tailored heating to help even it out, to adjust for different thermal inertias. I'm not in THAT much of a hurry.

Adapting the Nickel-based TC units to Titanium isn't as simple as subtracting 90 degrees, because the shape of the curve is apparently different. And by the time all the TC units on the market have incorporated both Nickel and Ti curves, we'll be trying other metals. I vape all kinds of stuff using all kinds of coils, metals, wicks. I don't want a toaster. I want more control, not less.

The way the KX50D chip (as used in the Invader and KangXin VF mini) works, it effectively regulates within two limits at once: wattage and temperature. And you can screw on either a TC atty or a VW atty and it will generally pick up where it left off. I use TC RDAs and TC and VW RTAs. Mostly I leave the temp set and only touch up the wattage. For some reason that's like the common denominator of vape settings. It's one of those things you appreciate better in practice than just in theory.

I'm hoping the new VTC Mini will have that capability sometime. The only negative thing about the VF mini is that with an RTA and 18650 loaded it's a pretty dense metal object and they ding up my flooring when I nod out and drop 'em. I had to add a carpet runner at my desk ;-)

 

[WakeAndVape]

Has anyone tried to use parallel coils around the FC 2000 wick? I'm wondering if this would be better than a single coil set up as the ohms would be lower?

 

[Joel W.]

Has anyone tried to use parallel coils around the FC 2000 wick? I'm wondering if this would be better than a single coil set up as the ohms would be lower?

I have done 2 coils in parallel around 2 separate fc2000 wicks in an evil monk build. Never 2 coils around one single wick though.

I am happy with one coil around one of the thicker 1/8" FC2000 wicks as it hits hard enough for me and is easy to rebuild.

Thicker wire will lower ohms also.

 

[Hyphy]

Has anyone tried to use parallel coils around the FC 2000 wick? I'm wondering if this would be better than a single coil set up as the ohms would be lower?

You may be able to get away with a fc2000/coil inside of the xl rxw with a coil over that. But why bother lol.

 

[2clicker]

I'm hoping the new VTC Mini will have that capability sometime.

the Evic VT and VTC both currently have that functionality. you can adjust watts in TC mode, but are left with a 30-60 watt range. i do it all the time. so you would like to see the ability of this allow you to go lower than 30 watts? or you think the wattage adjustability in TC mode should be 1-the devices max wattage?

all i know is that my dabs are not burning and that is all that matters to me. i do not use these devices for juice.

You may be able to get away with a fc2000/coil inside of the xl rxw with a coil over that. But why bother lol.

yeah that would work well, but the RXW will gunk up before the FC-2000. i have been enjoying the FC-2000 more so than RXW lately. i may done with RXW altogether.

@WakeAndVape... as hyphy said... if you want lower resistance just use thicker wire. adding more coils may indeed give you the resistance you are after, but it will be harder to build.



oh btw... my Evic VTC is out for delivery so i will have some pics soon. of which will include my FC-2000 build. its my favorite coil/wick setup to date. and its super easy to build!

 

[WakeAndVape]

Well I tried it and it actually works good! I did the parallel coil around the fc2000 wick.
Before the resistance was 0.6 ohms now it's 0.16 ohms.
The thing about the two separate wires is they heat separate so it seems like more of a steady hit if that makes sense

 

[2clicker]

Well I tried it and it actually works good! I did the parallel coil around the fc2000 wick.
Before the resistance was 0.6 ohms now it's 0.16 ohms.
The thing about the two separate wires is they heat separate so it seems like more of a steady hit if that makes sense

nice. did you wrap two coils and then twist the leads together? also, are the coils touching? this is Ti wire right? or nickel?

something else you could have done to lower resistance is to try less wraps. less wire equals lower resistance as well as thicker wire.

 

[WakeAndVape]

nice. did you wrap two coils and then twist the leads together? also, are the coils touching? this is Ti wire right? or nickel?

something else you could have done to lower resistance is to try less wraps. less wire equals lower resistance as well as thicker wire.

Yea but I'm new to the game and don't really know if I prefer lower or higher ohm coils yet and am still a bit murky on their benefits/downfalls. I did use two pieces of wire and tied the leads together and screwed them down to the post. I am using ti wire as well, so the touching isn't an issue.
I would do a single coil again and compare the difference, but I'm visiting California and left my supplies at home...guess I could always order more

 

[fernand]

Used to be, we had a battery, a switch and a heater, that was one slim bitch.
Now I pick up a mod, it's got the panel of a LearJet.
But it plays like Hendrix's axe. A lotta 'spression.
It's got the volume, the tone, the whammy - I love it ;-)

 

[2clicker]

so my VTC arrived today and so far i love it. the size is perfect for me. the battery door is really nice. has some strong magnets on there. much stronger than needed, but a good thing. the button is nicer than that on the VT and the -/+ buttons are def an upgrade over the toggle wheel on the VT. the finish is so nice. its a matte black finish that has an almost stickiness to it. provides a bit of grip in the hand. overall build quality is great.

so first thing i did was pop a fully charged samsung 25r in it and it turns on instantly and ready to vape. no loading or wait time after you hit the button. it just goes. so i set it to Ti mode, throw my .50ohm built RDA on there, set the the temp at 420 and the watts at 60... loaded a dab and let her rip. i was not disappointed. full flavor and nice vapor. since then i have tried temps up to 460 and it provides big clouds. this is a bit dif than my VT. when using my VT in Ni mode i had the temp set at 420-460 range and it was perfect, but when i was running a Ti coil the temp had to be set at 500-560 to get the same performance. and while i still got a great vape from it... it still bothered me that it had to be set that high. well with my VTC both modes work what seems so far to be identically. stoked. if the firmware upgradeability is worth a shit then i think joyetech has a real winner in the Evic VTC. i cant put it down.

pics of the device, compared to others, as well as my build to come when i can find some time.

 

[Hyphy]

@2clicker Cool man. I've had my eye on the Evic VTC, IPV D2, and Cloupor mini plus. Thought I was set on the IPV D2 due to the YIHI chip, but over the past couple of weeks I've shifted to wanting the VTC for the big screen and firmware upgradability. Nice to see that you're digging it, can you let me know if that changes?

 

[2clicker]

@2clicker Cool man. I've had my eye on the Evic VTC, IPV D2, and Cloupor mini plus. Thought I was set on the IPV D2 due to the YIHI chip, but over the past couple of weeks I've shifted to wanting the VTC for the big screen and firmware upgradability. Nice to see that you're digging it, can you let me know if that changes?

for sure. i was very close to pulling the trigger on a D2. the dry coil warning is what kept me away. then i saw the new evic and it reminded me of my cloupor mini of which i loved so much. of which they have in a TC model now in the mini+. anyway i already really enjoy my VT and wanted that performance in a cloupor mini sized package. so the VTC was it. in fact as much as i did like the size of the cloupor mini... the VTC is better. for me at least. width and thickness are very close, but the height of the VTC is about 3/8" taller. the finish and build quality are better than my cloupor mini. oh and the screen on the evic boxes are really great. they suck in the sun i can say that, but if you cup it then your good.

anyway, the D2 is very nice, but for use with oils that dry coil warning has been reported to ruin the experience. i would probably have one if it wasnt for that.

the Evic VT and VTC both currently have that functionality. you can adjust watts in TC mode, but are left with a 30-60 watt range.

correction: the VTC has full watt adjustment in TC mode from 1-60 watts

so i started to try dif wattages with a .50ohm coil and temp set at 430F in Ti mode. at 5 watts you could watch the temp grow on screen, but it was far too slow and wasnt producing quality vapor unless you sat on the button. then i bumped it up to 10 watts at the same settings and it took about a second to reach set temp. then i tried 15 watts and it got to temp in less than a second. so i started hitting it dry and found that at 15 watts this mod will start producing vapor very fast. well fast enough for me. so i will be running it around there for now and see how it goes. obviously if i need a boost i have a ton of headroom. i have not tried it with glass yet at that wattage. im hoping this new wattage setting will increase power efficiency over running it at 30-60 watts.

 

[sweetherb]

for sure. i was very close to pulling the trigger on a D2. the dry coil warning is what kept me away. then i saw the new evic and it reminded me of my cloupor mini of which i loved so much. of which they have in a TC model now in the mini+. anyway i already really enjoy my VT and wanted that performance in a cloupor mini sized package. so the VTC was it. in fact as much as i did like the size of the cloupor mini... the VTC is better. for me at least. width and thickness are very close, but the height of the VTC is about 3/8" taller. the finish and build quality are better than my cloupor mini. oh and the screen on the evic boxes are really great. they suck in the sun i can say that, but if you cup it then your good.

anyway, the D2 is very nice, but for use with oils that dry coil warning has been reported to ruin the experience. i would probably have one if it wasnt for that.



correction: the VTC has full watt adjustment in TC mode from 1-60 watts

so i started to try dif wattages with a .50ohm coil and temp set at 430F in Ti mode. at 5 watts you could watch the temp grow on screen, but it was far too slow and wasnt producing quality vapor unless you sat on the button. then i bumped it up to 10 watts at the same settings and it took about a second to reach set temp. then i tried 15 watts and it got to temp in less than a second. so i started hitting it dry and found that at 15 watts this mod will start producing vapor very fast. well fast enough for me. so i will be running it around there for now and see how it goes. obviously if i need a boost i have a ton of headroom. i have not tried it with glass yet at that wattage. im hoping this new wattage setting will increase power efficiency over running it at 30-60 watts.

I use 12.5w and 230°F on my Invader Mini and am also loving it. TC has been a total game changer for me. Consistently excellent results and no more frustration/constant fiddling with the w9 stuff!

 

[A6 Grower]

I finally got this damn IPV3 LI figured out lol. I missed the step of setting the resistance and kept getting dry coil warnings so i was using my AC cart from w9 tech on power mode and just feathering the button. Been working great since i've got some experience with the button fethering. ANYWAY, I fried one of the leads on the dual coil atty for the ac cart. They have the two leads clamped in a little weird gold thing and then one lead going to the posts. Stupid design imo... That single lead burnt out one drunk night. Took it apart and unwrapped it a few times, evened the coils out and rebuilt it with twisting the leads together and making both leads touch the posts. WORKS AWESOME!!! Specially once i got the temp mode down. My current coils are at .77 and i like 30 joules. Get to temp in about 2 seconds and stays there perfectly. 420F with ti01 coil mode is what i'm using. Ive also started to like the ceramic donut since i've figured TC mode out. Can't load a huge glob like the dual coil cup but it's VERY tasty for the little 1 or 2 hit pieces. So far i've very happy with my AC cart, its actually pretty easy to rebuild, i've got some TI wire and fc2000 wicks on the way and will experiment with differnt builds and wire gauges. got a few ideas i think will work well. For $60 the ac cart isn't a bad buy really, i like that it comes with two tops, one discrete and doesn't look like your smoking oil, and the normal glass top of course. Comes with 3 attys, single coil, dual, and a ceramic donut. The ipv3 li is great if you like the big boxes. I love it, i only have to charge my batteries even 5 days or so and it feels very solid.

 

[WakeAndVape]

I finally got this damn IPV3 LI figured out lol. I missed the step of setting the resistance and kept getting dry coil warnings so i was using my AC cart from w9 tech on power mode and just feathering the button. Been working great since i've got some experience with the button fethering. ANYWAY, I fried one of the leads on the dual coil atty for the ac cart. They have the two leads clamped in a little weird gold thing and then one lead going to the posts. Stupid design imo... That single lead burnt out one drunk night. Took it apart and unwrapped it a few times, evened the coils out and rebuilt it with twisting the leads together and making both leads touch the posts. WORKS AWESOME!!! Specially once i got the temp mode down. My current coils are at .77 and i like 30 joules. Get to temp in about 2 seconds and stays there perfectly. 420F with ti01 coil mode is what i'm using. Ive also started to like the ceramic donut since i've figured TC mode out. Can't load a huge glob like the dual coil cup but it's VERY tasty for the little 1 or 2 hit pieces. So far i've very happy with my AC cart, its actually pretty easy to rebuild, i've got some TI wire and fc2000 wicks on the way and will experiment with differnt builds and wire gauges. got a few ideas i think will work well. For $60 the ac cart isn't a bad buy really, i like that it comes with two tops, one discrete and doesn't look like your smoking oil, and the normal glass top of course. Comes with 3 attys, single coil, dual, and a ceramic donut. The ipv3 li is great if you like the big boxes. I love it, i only have to charge my batteries even 5 days or so and it feels very solid.

AC cart? Pardon my ignorance!

 

[WakeAndVape]

duh...the Alpha Centauri? I always thought it was referred to as the kiss cartridge.

Have you tried one @2clicker? Interested on how they compare to the rda's.

Doesn't look like there is too much videos or reviews online either.

 

[2clicker]

duh...the Alpha Centauri? I always thought it was referred to as the kiss cartridge.

Have you tried one @2clicker? Interested on how they compare to the rda's.

Doesn't look like there is too much videos or reviews online either.

i have never tried the AC. its hard for me to buy premade solutions when i can get equal to or better than performance for a fraction of the cost. also i remember they use a proprietary thread on their stuff and im not going to run an adapter. id like t nsee them switch to a 510 platform, but from what i remember a couple of years ago they werent too excited about people voicing their frustration with their thread choice. i stopped using their gear soon after that.

 

[WakeAndVape]

i have never tried the AC. its hard for me to buy premade solutions when i can get equal to or better than performance for a fraction of the cost. also i remember they use a proprietary thread on their stuff and im not going to run an adapter. id like t nsee them switch to a 510 platform, but from what i remember a couple of years ago they werent too excited about people voicing their frustration with their thread choice. i stopped using their gear soon after that.

For the record they do come in 510 natively now. Also claim TI wires that work with temp control. Looks interesting.
I want to see usage videos, unfortunately there aren't any.

 

[A6 Grower]

I'll try and post a video today or tomorrow. I'm gonna leave a review on their site. I've built A LOT of rda's to use with oil. This is defiantly my best experience. As stated above it is 510. I did have to rebuild the coil but it want bad before. Coils you build yourself are always better then ones from someone doing them 8 hours a day. The ti wire works perfect with temp control. It does say gr2 wire but it works still. The ceramic donut is nickel wire I think as it works with temp control too. Kinda cool watching the little cermic disk pulse as the chip manages the temp.

 

[A6 Grower]

The kiss cart is their other older cart. The alpha centauri is way better.