A Guide to 'Healthy' Vaping: a consideration of the entire process

[florduh]

Decarbing seems to smooth things out by decreasing the latent energy needed to vaporize since the cannabinoids have already undergone conversion. I noticed cartridges seem smoother to me than vaping the raw extract in a load-as-you-go device?

Also, you're not inhaling that co2 from the decarboxylation reaction during inhalation like you do when doing other methods. Maybe that matters?

I've absolutely noticed this. While I like carts, the environmental waste issue bothered me for a while. So I tried a syringe and LAYG atty setup. Sometimes those hits could be a bit tastier than a cart hit, but they're never as smooth. Also, with the new all glass/all ceramic carts, my environmental concerns are reduced a bit. Hell, look at the packaging in a gram of rosin. Box, big plastic cap, the jar itself.

What are you getting hash rosin for around you these days? The best price here is $72 out the door. But two half gram rosin carts would be $110+. Every once in a while I look at prices in other States. Denver has comparable rosin for $40-$50. Sounds like heaven.

Decarb weed chewed raw and ice coffee with a dash of 1/2-1/2 is my current set up!

Yeah dude, I wonder if exploring different edible options is the way to go for you. Stressing over getting a perfectly healthy inhalation ROA is probably doing more damage to your health than any silicone or aluminum.

I don't really notice any ill effects from vaping, but I do know vapor is less healthy than air. Seeing @shredder talk about canna-caps has gotten me interested in doing some experiments over the holidays. Tinctures and nano gels might be an option to replace inhalation for you as well.

 

[Siebter]

[...] LONG term dry herb vape use is a big unknown. Drying out the throat continuosly could have some major issues and we don't know if heated terpenes inhaled is going to be a problem, plus possible chemical inhalation.

Actually there is *some* research going on about the health effects of vaporizing as opposed to smoking, it's not like we have no idea at all. I also don't agree with the idea to wait for (very unlikely) long term effects that may or may not happen while we know a lot about the effects of smoking (and die from it). Makes no sense. We should always be open for new findings about possible risks, but we should not act according to „big unknowns“.

 

[Robert-in-YEG]

we should not act according to „big unknowns

This, on the surface, is good advice, but it isn't always practical.

I've lived with depression probably since my teens. I do not really know when it started; it is very subtle for me.

It was first diagnosed as Atypical depression; that made sense. I was a young man, 27 years old, just starting my life. I wasn't overcome with melancholy, it was fatigue. I did not know that depression could manifest as fatigue. When low grade depression hangs on forever, it is termed Dysthymia. For me, I just feel heavy; it is like carrying extra weight everywhere. Describing it, is a different essay.

Drugs prescribed by doctors also come with risks that are not openly disclosed. When it comes to psychiatric drugs things get even more complicated because each person is unique. Medicine "X" might work great with one person but cause horrible side effects with another. When doctors prescribe antidepressants, they go with what's popular, but they know everyone is unique. That's general idea with low starting doses; start low and then see how someone reacts. The point is that neither the patient nor the doctor can know everything. We assess risk and make decisions.

Here's my point - even doctor prescribed medications, come with some pretty big unknowns. These are prescribed, after assessing that the benefits outweigh the risk.

I wish there were no unknowns, but there is absolutely no shortage.

Robert-in-YEG

 

[Truth Seeker]

Actually there is *some* research going on about the health effects of vaporizing as opposed to smoking, it's not like we have no idea at all. I also don't agree with the idea to wait for (very unlikely) long term effects that may or may not happen while we know a lot about the effects of smoking (and die from it). Makes no sense. We should always be open for new findings about possible risks, but we should not act according to „big unknowns“.

We don't have any data on smoking cannabis being the cause of death for any user. To the contrary we have data on combustion that is very positive and shocking how it is completely different from tobacco smoke on the human body. I've wondered if some of these studies have an agenda or confirmation bias etc. the results seem so positive. These are medical based studies by professionals.

I'm actually very suspicious of the overtly good results that these studies come up with from smoking cannabis. I'm just as cautious with them as I am dry herb vaping safety. Funny thing is they all promote how unknown edibles are to risk! Doctors......got to luv em

 

[Siebter]

I wish there were no unknowns, but there is absolutely no shortage.

Here's my point - even doctor prescribed medications, come with some pretty big unknowns. These are prescribed, after assessing that the benefits outweigh the risk.

So first of all we are not talking about pharmaceuticals per se here, but about an approach that puts a substance in our system. It has been repeatedly stated here that smoking (or the effective side of smoking) is basically the same as vaporizing *plus* a ton of (known) very dangerous substances being created by pyrolysis. So whatever risk factor vaping cannabis has, smoking it has the same plus a ton more. Then there's material safety, some of us are opposed to things like plastics or aluminum, some even avoid metals entirely – but that has nothing to do with the approach itself, we are free to avoid these kind of materials if we have concerns. Also often mentioned is the hot air that we repeatedly inhale when consuming, although I haven't even seen any kind of research on how hot that air actually is when it enters our throat and lungs. It doesn't feel hot to me, to be perfectly honest. And yeah, live is often like that: looking at potential risks and then making a decision, but for a single case you indeed never know. Lastly: the most common „symptom“ we discuss when it comes to side effects is basically → „throat / lung irritation“, and I mean c'mon, that's basically coughing – I can live with that.

Actually this forum is a great resource for understanding positive and negative benefits vaporizing cannabis offers. It's all very anecdotal of course, but to me still very insightful.

We don't have any data on smoking cannabis being the cause of death for any user. To the contrary we have data on combustion that is very positive and shocking how it is completely different from tobacco smoke on the human body. I've wondered if some of these studies have an agenda or confirmation bias etc. the results seem so positive. These are medical based studies by professionals.

I'm actually very suspicious of the overtly good results that these studies come up with from smoking cannabis. I'm just as cautious with them as I am dry herb vaping safety. Funny thing is they all promote how unknown edibles are to risk! Doctors......got to luv em

Cannabis is said to have anti carcinogenic properties that probably have some positive effect no matter if being smoked or vaped – the thing is: smoking cigarettes usually means smoking every day multiple times, giving us a very high risk for cancer and other nice things. I don't think cannabis smoke has a much lower risk factor, but when you have a group of cannabis smokers and a group of tobacco smokers, you will find lots of potheads only smoking occasionally on weekends or even less, some will be satisfied for the week by one or even just half a joint. Tobacco smokers for the most part do smoke much more often, many of them twenty times a day (= a pack of cigs), while the average number of sessions will be much lower in the cannabis group. Comparing these numbers and the rate of cancer etc. in each group might be deceiving. I strongly believe that any kind of smoke is very bad for us, but I also know that it's also a matter of the amount of harm we do to our body. One or two cigs a week won't give me lung cancer (at least that's pretty unlikely), but that doesn't mean smoking cigs is not risky per se.

 

[shredder]

I'm surprised no one talked about the psychological aspects of vaping.

I believe it's about the same as smoking. Addiction lite, if you will. Not just the marijuana high, but the device and the act of vaping as well.

How many have said " they love their vape". Do you " love" your car keys? They both take you where you want to go.

Ever feel lost if your out and forgot your vape? Can't hardly wait until work/school/shopping gets over so you can vape? Ever vape when you clearly didn't need to? Ever vape when you wake up at night?

I've done all those things and more. I still have the urge to vape, and miss it, even though I know it's not good for me, and I have a ton of edibles.

 

[florduh]

I'm surprised no one talked about the psychological aspects of vaping.

Absolutely. I vape more cbd/hemp flower than anything else these days. That first hit in the morning is probably therapeutic. It clears my head and gets me ready for the rest of the day. The majority of hits after that are because I like the taste and like blowing steam out of my mouth.

I do wonder if I caramelized my entire respiratory system, because I feel no ill effects from vaping. Throat almost never hurts. I've coughed maybe 3 times in the last year, period (which came in handy given world events). I had a clear chest x-ray earlier in the year, but I wonder if kief coated alveoli would even show up on the that.

 

[shredder]

Absolutely. I vape more cbd/hemp flower than anything else these days. That first hit in the morning is probably therapeutic. It clears my head and gets me ready for the rest of the day. The majority of hits after that are because I like the taste and like blowing steam out of my mouth.

I do wonder if I caramelized my entire respiratory system, because I feel no ill effects from vaping. Throat almost never hurts. I've coughed maybe 3 times in the last year, period (which came in handy given world events). I had a clear chest x-ray earlier in the year, but I wonder if kief coated alveoli would even show up on the that.

Totally unscientific but try the tissue test. Exhale after a hit in a tissue, then inhale through a tissue. The difference is apparently in you.

 

[Siebter]

@florduh No, it doesn't coat your lungs – some oils / fats would (see the evali cases from a while ago), but the stuff we inhale is fully absorbed by our lungs.

 

[invertedisdead]

I've absolutely noticed this. While I like carts, the environmental waste issue bothered me for a while. So I tried a syringe and LAYG atty setup. Sometimes those hits could be a bit tastier than a cart hit, but they're never as smooth. Also, with the new all glass/all ceramic carts, my environmental concerns are reduced a bit. Hell, look at the packaging in a gram of rosin. Box, big plastic cap, the jar itself.

What are you getting hash rosin for around you these days? The best price here is $72 out the door. But two half gram rosin carts would be $110+. Every once in a while I look at prices in other States. Denver has comparable rosin for $40-$50. Sounds like heaven.

I kinda like the budget hash rosin in the ~$35 range - it's definitely not as good as the more expensive ultra premium presses, but IMO its better than most the stuff in the shop, especially 8ths of flower in the same price range.

Sometimes you can get old rosin on sale that's still pretty good since its hash rosin. I recently got a .5 rosin cart for $15 (two for $30) cause they were old, but originally tested at ~9% terpenes. The flavor and effects was excellent on one of them, other one was one of the worst I've ever had so you never know

I'm surprised no one talked about the psychological aspects of vaping.

I believe it's about the same as smoking. Addiction lite, if you will. Not just the marijuana high, but the device and the act of vaping as well.

How many have said " they love their vape". Do you " love" your car keys? They both take you where you want to go.

Ever feel lost if your out and forgot your vape? Can't hardly wait until work/school/shopping gets over so you can vape? Ever vape when you clearly didn't need to? Ever vape when you wake up at night?

I've done all those things and more. I still have the urge to vape, and miss it, even though I know it's not good for me, and I have a ton of edibles.

Having talked to a few "FC veterans" on the topic its definitely a thing.

I was stunned to hear from one cannabis expert that terpenes have long been known to be addicting. It actually makes sense if you consider the mechanisms, olfactory response, etc - I was even more shocked to learn that these terpenes have long been added to cigarettes to increase their neurological appeal. A number of these essential oils are designed to mask the negative effects of smoking cigarettes while you do it.


"Modern cigarettes have been extensively engineered and optimized as nicotine delivery devices developed through major national and international research and development programs. The average smoker has been unaware of these efforts by the tobacco industry and of the extensive manipulation of cigarette chemistry.

Our results indicate that more than 100 of 599 documented cigarette additives have pharmacological actions. Previous research18,21,22 has documented extensive efforts by the tobacco industry to use additives to mask the presence of ETS by reducing the visibility, odor, and irritability of tobacco smoke. Similar to the findings of previous studies, our results show that the tobacco industry used additives (1) that enhance or maintain nicotine delivery and could increase the addictiveness of cigarettes and (2) that mask symptoms and illnesses associated with smoking behavior.

To our knowledge, there has been no systematic evaluation of the public health effects of cigarette additives or their combustion products. The tobacco industry has actively manipulated cigarette content by using potentially hazardous chemical and phytochemical additives that should be regulated. Unregulated use of additives in tobacco products subjects billions of smokers and nonsmokers alike to an uncontrolled experiment with potentially devastating health effects." - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2040350/

On the addition of Sweet Orange Oil in Cigarettes - https://sciences.altria.com/our-sci...e ingredients/2005-10-07 Sweet Orange Oil.pdf

 

[Robert-in-YEG]

I'm surprised no one talked about the psychological aspects of vaping.

I believe it's about the same as smoking. Addiction lite, if you will. Not just the marijuana high, but the device and the act of vaping as well.

How many have said " they love their vape". Do you " love" your car keys? They both take you where you want to go.

Ever feel lost if your out and forgot your vape? Can't hardly wait until work/school/shopping gets over so you can vape? Ever vape when you clearly didn't need to? Ever vape when you wake up at night?

I've done all those things and more. I still have the urge to vape, and miss it, even though I know it's not good for me, and I have a ton of edibles.

Yes, there are psychological aspects, but that isn't necessarily a negative. For some, the ritual of vaping, is part of what is of value. Rituals can be powerful influences in ours. The ritual itself is neither good nor bad; it depends on one's point of view.

When it comes to the psychological aspects, the advice was "respect the ritual".

Robert-in-YEG

"We choose our joys and sorrows long before we experience them."
~ Khalil Gibran

 

[Siebter]

Oh yeah, the ritual is very important, especially when switching from smoking to vaping. I don't know about you guys, but I used to love rolling and smoking joints – I'm pretty sure something like a THC patch wouldn't have made me consider to stop that. And I'm pretty sure the reason why it was the Dynavaps that made me completely switch is that to some extend they feel a bit like having a joint. Also agree with @florduh, blowing clouds is a huge part of it too.

 

[florduh]

@florduh No, it doesn't coat your lungs – some oils / fats would (see the evali cases from a while ago), but the stuff we inhale is fully absorbed by our lungs.

I was mostly kidding about the kief coated, carmelized lungs. I do take a lot of dry hits, and those stems get pretty dirty, so I imagine some particulate matter is getting in there. But in the grand scheme of things, living in a polluted world, I don't worry much about it.

I kinda like the budget hash rosin in the ~$35 range - it's definitely not as good as the more expensive ultra premium presses, but IMO its better than most the stuff in the shop, especially 8ths of flower in the same price range.

Sometimes you can get old rosin on sale that's still pretty good since its hash rosin. I recently got a .5 rosin cart for $15 (two for $30) cause they were old, but originally tested at ~9% terpenes. The flavor and effects was excellent on one of them, other one was one of the worst I've ever had so you never know

Fuck, fuck, fuck. It would be hard for me to justify buying flower with those prices. The benefit and detriment of Florida is we pretty much only have the high quality stuff at high prices. But I would take budget hash rosin as an option too. I like the taste of good flower, but even mids hash rosin is gonna taste better.

 

[Shit Snacks]

@Truth Seeker great conversation in here, since truth seeker is your name, I thought it worth pointing out, the only vapes you mentioned using were the Mighty and MFLB? And you mentioned a variety of other old vape tech... Something like the mighty is very rough on the throat imo but also yeah you're going to want cooling stems or water or cooling jayhook type things with vapes to get the cooler hits, right angle bends are incredible for filtering out particulate and cooling the vapor before you inhale... But also I really like using pure convection on demand vaporizers (tinymight, TetraP80, StickyBricks, xmax v3pro, grasshopper, Halo, log vapes, Collyland, RBT vapes, Tafée Bowle...) All of these are in another league compared to the mighty, which is mostly session conduction, super slow and limiting temperatures along with other things you mentioned... Fuck that medical certification, in my mind it is meaningless... Firewood 7 is a great option if you want that hybrid experience, it has even more power, on demand conduction with some convection mixed in... But all of the pure convection on demand units I listed, they all have much more power than a mighty (like double) and that helps you take stronger hits, fewer hits, and again using the glass cooling paths, very strong vapor quality and it's really easy to not have throat troubles this way...

The only time I have throat trouble is these days, from vaping, is when I really overdo it late at night, the next day I might be sore? Vaping has come a long way in the past several years, I'm lucky I had the finances to try so many and find the best ones for me! I would never ever ever ever smoke again, there is no way to superior, only in simplicity, everything about the experience it's pretty awful to me now (and if part of the concern is like pesticide stuff, why would lighting them up be better than vaping them? Destroying them more so maybe, but you're inhaling the smoke, and yeah destroying a lot of the good stuff in the herbs too...)

I also would not poo poo getting a quartz banger and a simple recycler rig, using with nice quality dabs, 100% very strong and easy on the throat when you get the technique down for you and what style of hits you like, obviously it can wreck your throat if you're not careful, but it can be easy to control in my experience, mostly using torch, but like the new ispire wand is a great option I think for more control? Nicer than erigs and smaller than enails... Yeah so much depends on the quality of the materials you are vaping! So many options how to consume...

Good luck

 

[Truth Seeker]

@Truth Seeker great conversation in here, since truth seeker is your name, I thought it worth pointing out, the only vapes you mentioned using were the Mighty and MFLB? And you mentioned a variety of other old vape tech... Something like the mighty is very rough on the throat imo but also yeah you're going to want cooling stems or water or cooling jayhook type things with vapes to get the cooler hits, right angle bends are incredible for filtering out particulate and cooling the vapor before you inhale... But also I really like using pure convection on demand vaporizers (tinymight, TetraP80, StickyBricks, xmax v3pro, grasshopper, Halo, log vapes, Collyland, RBT vapes, Tafée Bowle...) All of these are in another league compared to the mighty, which is mostly session conduction, super slow and limiting temperatures along with other things you mentioned... Fuck that medical certification, in my mind it is meaningless... Firewood 7 is a great option if you want that hybrid experience, it has even more power, on demand conduction with some convection mixed in... But all of the pure convection on demand units I listed, they all have much more power than a mighty (like double) and that helps you take stronger hits, fewer hits, and again using the glass cooling paths, very strong vapor quality and it's really easy to not have throat troubles this way...

The only time I have throat trouble is these days, from vaping, is when I really overdo it late at night, the next day I might be sore? Vaping has come a long way in the past several years, I'm lucky I had the finances to try so many and find the best ones for me! I would never ever ever ever smoke again, there is no way to superior, only in simplicity, everything about the experience it's pretty awful to me now (and if part of the concern is like pesticide stuff, why would lighting them up be better than vaping them? Destroying them more so maybe, but you're inhaling the smoke, and yeah destroying a lot of the good stuff in the herbs too...)

I also would not poo poo getting a quartz banger and a simple recycler rig, using with nice quality dabs, 100% very strong and easy on the throat when you get the technique down for you and what style of hits you like, obviously it can wreck your throat if you're not careful, but it can be easy to control in my experience, mostly using torch, but like the new ispire wand is a great option I think for more control? Nicer than erigs and smaller than enails... Yeah so much depends on the quality of the materials you are vaping! So many options how to consume...

Good luck

Thanks for your expertise I shall use the MFLB in honor of the good people of this forum thru a water-piece this evening to celebrate with ya'll!
For some odd reason the MFLB seems to kinda work best for me but I'm not gonna poo poo any options! Maybe I should buy a quartz rig and give it a go!
I've owned MFLB, Volcano, Mighty, Ariser Extreme Q, Pax, Cloudious 9, Firefly and a Vapor Bros knock off years ago when I didn't know about knock offs or quality it was just what they had at the store and the whip discomforted my chest. I'll buy any vape to give it a try if I can find something that works! As of now the launch box seems to be semi ok for me and I think the batteries have something to do with it. I'm going for weaker hits thru water and might even ask them to rig me one that is off the original beta version which I hard was a very light hit and not cloudy which they modified after the vape community wanted stronger, milky hits. I'm convinced vapor works best as a mist and not heavy hits trying to chase the smoking experience. The volcano balloons really tore my throat up, Extreme Q caused irritation and was uncomfortable. I don't know why this MFLB things works better than the there others unless it's just a genius design like the round wheel or the fork and spoon! I think it's simplicity kinda makes it a hall of fame winner! I would like to get something else but not sure because the others didn't pan out well for me.

 

[Truth Seeker]

So first of all we are not talking about pharmaceuticals per se here, but about an approach that puts a substance in our system. It has been repeatedly stated here that smoking (or the effective side of smoking) is basically the same as vaporizing *plus* a ton of (known) very dangerous substances being created by pyrolysis. So whatever risk factor vaping cannabis has, smoking it has the same plus a ton more. Then there's material safety, some of us are opposed to things like plastics or aluminum, some even avoid metals entirely – but that has nothing to do with the approach itself, we are free to avoid these kind of materials if we have concerns. Also often mentioned is the hot air that we repeatedly inhale when consuming, although I haven't even seen any kind of research on how hot that air actually is when it enters our throat and lungs. It doesn't feel hot to me, to be perfectly honest. And yeah, live is often like that: looking at potential risks and then making a decision, but for a single case you indeed never know. Lastly: the most common „symptom“ we discuss when it comes to side effects is basically → „throat / lung irritation“, and I mean c'mon, that's basically coughing – I can live with that.

Actually this forum is a great resource for understanding positive and negative benefits vaporizing cannabis offers. It's all very anecdotal of course, but to me still very insightful.



Cannabis is said to have anti carcinogenic properties that probably have some positive effect no matter if being smoked or vaped – the thing is: smoking cigarettes usually means smoking every day multiple times, giving us a very high risk for cancer and other nice things. I don't think cannabis smoke has a much lower risk factor, but when you have a group of cannabis smokers and a group of tobacco smokers, you will find lots of potheads only smoking occasionally on weekends or even less, some will be satisfied for the week by one or even just half a joint. Tobacco smokers for the most part do smoke much more often, many of them twenty times a day (= a pack of cigs), while the average number of sessions will be much lower in the cannabis group. Comparing these numbers and the rate of cancer etc. in each group might be deceiving. I strongly believe that any kind of smoke is very bad for us, but I also know that it's also a matter of the amount of harm we do to our body. One or two cigs a week won't give me lung cancer (at least that's pretty unlikely), but that doesn't mean smoking cigs is not risky per se.

It's crazy but true how different smoking weed and tobacco really is. There's a study that goes back 30 years or so following high school students that smoked weed and followed them years into their adult life and concluded cannabis smoke did not cause clogged arteries! This was told to me by a nationally known cardiologist who I personally know! I asked point blank the dangers of smoking weed on heart health and this guy was no pro pothead but he went over the conclusions of this study and it was rather large sample followed for 30 years!

We already know that smoking cannabis will not cause COPD yet smoking tobacco will.
I take all these studies with a grain of salt but my cardiologist friend is someone who just gives the hard facts, he basically prefaced it by saying he's not recommending me to run to the nearest bud tender and stock up! He also mentioned the unknown of edibles which I guess is true? @invertedisdead knows cannabis history about as well as anyone here so he might have some light on the history of edibles with his knowledge of the history of hash and the Mid East practices that have existed for centuries.

 

[Shit Snacks]

Thanks for your expertise I shall use the MFLB in honor of the good people of this forum thru a water-piece this evening to celebrate with ya'll!
For some odd reason the MFLB seems to kinda work best for me but I'm not gonna poo poo any options! Maybe I should buy a quartz rig and give it a go!
I've owned MFLB, Volcano, Mighty, Pax, Cloudious 9, Firefly and a Vapor Bros knock off years ago when I didn't know about knock offs or quality it was just what they had at the store and the whip discomforted my chest. I'll buy any vape to give it a try if I can find something that works! As of now the launch box seems to be semi ok for me and I think the batteries have something to do with it. I'm going for weaker hits thru water and might even ask them to rig me one that is off the original beta version which I hard was a very light hit and not cloudy which they modified after the vape community wanted stronger, milky hits. I'm convinced vapor works best as a mist and not heavy hits trying to chase the smoking experience.

Awesome yeah, so you still haven't tried any of my favorites! Go ahead and order the tinymight, with both WPA, (spare stems and cooling unit if you plan to use it that way a lot), the extra long stem is fun, kind of like using with a J hook in a different form factor and no WPA needed, spare screens and o rings always good to have as well!

Then from 18650batterystore.com grab a few Molicell P26A and an external charger, should be good to go with everything you need! It will be like using the MFLB only regulated with volcano power nearly... Still manual, but the temp dial gives you a full range of power, and very efficient!

tinymight vaporizer

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And yeah xmax v3pro would also surprise you as the budget pure convection on demand option that recently became available as well!

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And I would say keep an eye on the firewood, so you can jump in on the FW8 as well! If you could add a desktop, like a Heat Island, Halo or Atlas, or Collyland aromatizer, that would also treat you better than you may have been in the past from other vaporizers imo... Enjoy the journey!

 

[invertedisdead]

his knowledge of the history of hash and the Mid East practices that have existed for centuries.

Majoun and Bhang are some of the oldest edible preparations, you might check those out! FC’s famous “stem milk” is similar to the idea behind Bhang.

 

[Truth Seeker]

Majoun and Bhang are some of the oldest edible preparations, you might check those out! FC’s famous “stem milk” is similar to the idea behind Bhang.

Cool thanks for the heads up!

 

[Siebter]

It's crazy but true how different smoking weed and tobacco really is. There's a study that goes back 30 years or so following high school students that smoked weed and followed them years into their adult life and concluded cannabis smoke did not cause clogged arteries! This was told to me by a nationally known cardiologist who I personally know! I asked point blank the dangers of smoking weed on heart health and this guy was no pro pothead but he went over the conclusions of this study and it was rather large sample followed for 30 years!

We already know that smoking cannabis will not cause COPD yet smoking tobacco will.
I take all these studies with a grain of salt but my cardiologist friend is someone who just gives the hard facts, he basically prefaced it by saying he's not recommending me to run to the nearest bud tender and stock up! He also mentioned the unknown of edibles which I guess is true? @invertedisdead knows cannabis history about as well as anyone here so he might have some light on the history of edibles with his knowledge of the history of hash and the Mid East practices that have existed for centuries.

As I pointed out, one major factor that makes habitually smoking tobacco and smoking cannabis hard to compare is the sheer amount of smoke a tobacco smoker will pump in his lungs as opposed to a (only) cannabis smoker. One more thing I'd like to point out is that for example here in Europe cannabis is mostly mixed with tobacco when being smoked, so the potentially less carcinogenic properties of cannabis become moot anyways – I do believe that frequency is the major factor here, though, chainsmoking joints would kill us just as much. But that's just what seems plausible to me at the moment, I don't have any statistics at hand to proof my point either – and I have one rule: not (blindly) believing in studies that someone in a forum has heard from a cardiologist he personally knows. :-) So if you (or anyone else) could point me to the study you mention I'd be very grateful. Because as of now I still do believe that pyrolitic compounds of any kind are bad for us.

 

[Shadooz]

The beauty of rosin is if you're truly concerned about the materials in other vapes, rosin eliminates that easily. Its the easiest and most affordable way to get an all glass path and materials safety confidence.

(PDF) Cannabis Vaping–Induced Acute Pulmonary Toxicity: Case Series and Review of Literature

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Confidence..

..And here come the "bad" One again, me..
Or am i that much ugly ..?

""Extraordinary, juice like a strawberry.."

"Still love you like that"

We should always be open for new findings about possible risks,

Not new, and existant, but %of occurence undetermined and variable(way of use, defective unit) :
acidosis, fibrosis, dust related disease(ex:silicosis), pneumothorax (bong lung)
And that's only for the pulmonology part. Period.

 

[MSTRVPR]

Vape materials and low quality solvent processed products aside, some of the things mentioned here in relation to throat and lung irritation, dryness, heat, particulates, chemicals, are all under our control.

My benchmark for lung irritation is my partner who, having never smoked anything, may take a single inhalation of a vape once every few months and is otherwise not exposed to anything but fresh air. She tried a few premium vapes over the last 7 or so years and would still violently cough when using any vape straight to the mouth, and even with basic water filtration.

The only combination that does not result in coughing is a high airflow convection vape with more air mixed in after vapour production, filtered through warm water. With the fresh air mixed in at the start, temperature and density are not an issue by the time the vapour makes it to the percolator. The water and bends in the glass piece then take out most if not all particulates. The humidity provided by the warm water inside the glass piece adds moisture to the dry air whilst reducing condensation. So the inhalation feels like purified soft steam and in contrast to direct vaping, I can't report any perceptible side effects either. It is a world away from straight vaping.

Rituals can be powerful influences

The nice thing about creating a 'smooth setup' is that it probably expands the home ritual enjoyment for those that are inclined that way. Using frequently cleaned pieces with fresh filtered warm water for every session, assembling a few joined components, it's quite the opposite of taking countless absentminded hits out of a dirty device, resinous water piece, and cold foul water.

Granted, many people are plagued by the various problems life throws now and then, and it is probably common enough not to have the mind space to concern oneself with vapour improvement, but I found that everything in life that is treated with open attention can be handled better, and making an effort in this direction, over time and concerning whatever one deals with, may sooner than anticipated create the psychological freedom to care about healthy choices.

 

[invertedisdead]

Confidence..

They’ve still never presented a definite conclusion of that EVALI outbreak.

Either way it didn’t have anything to do with vaping cannabis oil. More like Squalene, coconut oil, or Vitamin E Acetate.

In fact during that time multiple licensed medical cannabis distributors were doing MCT cartridges. There was a huge thread on FC about the debate between MCT oil as a diluent - I’ve always been on the zero additives side myself but not everybody immersed themselves in all the information.

Obviously Rosin is the same exact plant oil a dry herb device vaporizes, so all dry herb vaping would cause lipid pneumonia if it was actually an issue. Thankfully it’s not! There’s Bigger lipid pneumonia concerns breathing around a burning candle.

 

[Shadooz]

They’ve still never presented a definite conclusion of that EVALI outbreak.

Either way it didn’t have anything to do with vaping cannabis oil. More like Squalene, coconut oil, or Vitamin E Acetate.

2020/2021 data...
Not about vitamin E cut anymore.
All from regulated cartridge

In fact during that time multiple licensed medical cannabis distributors were doing MCT cartridges.

Some Human businessman will still cut it..
The issue when post manufacture come to a product, adding all its intrinsic risks..

I've confidence in my girls.

Thought u were one of the only open mind here @invertedisdead, maybe just stubborn too, i wil have to move..

 

[Truth Seeker]

2020/2021 data...
Not about vitamin E cut anymore.
All from regulated cartridge


Some Human businessman will still cut it..
The issue when post manufacture come to a product, adding all its intrinsic risks..

Thought u were one of the only open mind here @invertedisdead, maybe just stubborn too, i wil have to move..

Thank you, thank you, thank you for the share just read the pdf you posted and my suspicions of inhaling any kind of heated oil seem well founded no matter how pure the material is. I'll mess with flower vaping til I kick it to the curb and that's it!