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JT-Shawk

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I like the bottom shelf, I admit I see the value in either. I use the bottom shelf the least but I do use it. I was actually wondering if that would be a weak point myself cause I noticed how low it was relative to the joint. I was surprised how much I like the top shelf too though, especially when I'm using it with my hornet. With the ZX though I'm mostly on middle shelf and occasionally on the bottom. But I would agree that unless you actually start seeing a higher failure rate that it would be better left as is.
 

Fearless Disaster

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I like the bottom shelf, I admit I see the value in either. I use the bottom shelf the least but I do use it. I was actually wondering if that would be a weak point myself cause I noticed how low it was relative to the joint. I was surprised how much I like the top shelf too though, especially when I'm using it with my hornet. With the ZX though I'm mostly on middle shelf and occasionally on the bottom. But I would agree that unless you actually start seeing a higher failure rate that it would be better left as is.
oh how do you like using the hornet head on the z bowl? I haven't tried it yet but have been curious. do you run the hornet head at the same temp you would run the zx head? how would you compare the experience to using the full zx?
 
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JT-Shawk

Member
oh how do you like using the hornet head on the z bowl? I haven't tried it yet but have been curious. do you run the hornet head at the same temp you would run the zx head? how would you compare the experience to using the full zx?
The z bowl is my go to with the Hornet, I use it as an injector most often and I think they pair together perfectly. They run at pretty similar temps but I'm always playing with my temps. Lately I've been running my ZX a little lower but I also use the 25mm adapter for heating the hornet which may account for some of the difference. I get bored if I don't mix things up so I'm always trying different vapes, bowls, temps, glass, etc.

They both hit really well but I would say it's what you would expect, the ZX is the best flavor but with the smaller rubies the Hornet with the z bowl is pretty damned powerful, especially for a wireless device.
 

Spy Car

Well-Known Member
I absolutely love my ZX. Let me make that crystal clear.

The ZX is my "apex" vape by a wide measure.

If there are going to be revisions moving forward, here is my constructive criticism:

I see almost zero value in the 3 shelf design. In fact, for me is is somewhat detrimental vs having one shelf inside that is 100% secure.

I find the current design somewhat "fiddly" when it comes to seating the screen. I've developed ways to seat the screen more securely, but I think the design could be improved (so a screen would never slip out of position unintentionally).

Even when I'm conscientious to seat the screen as well as I possibly can, I never feel 100% confidence that it won't move. I'd strongly prefer having one shelf that ensures the screen is going nowhere (unless it is pressed out from below). I think it would require only a small fraction of additional shelf "lip" to achieve that end.

The second issue is that I feel the the tolerances of the current bowls could be tweaked ever so slightly to reduce the odds of having an unsecured top uncoupling from the bowl.

Not having a grasp on handle at all times is probably a bad idea (no argument there) but we are dealing with stoners here.

I have had the experience of the red hot end breaking loose from the bowl, and if the coupling was slightly more secure (by design) I'd welcome that improvement.

I offer these suggestions as a huge fan.

Bill
 
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invertedisdead

PHASE3
Manufacturer
Wouldn't that disturb the airflow ?
The restriction in the path will slow the air flow before and after it. The turbulences created after the neck will bump more against the walls of the pipe and add a cooling effect as well as more reclaim after the restriction.
So maybe not a bad thing, especially for dry users.

Yes that's correct - however that additional heat transfer would also result in the bowl heating up more, which I'm always trying to mitigate as much as possible with the ZX since the bowl is already very compact / low profile.

Also, I feel it's important to minimize condensation / reclaim as much as possible in the hot zone as I believe it tarnishes flavor and necessitates more cleaning.

I like this. Unibody is the way to go imo. And ZrO2 is certainly an excellent material choice for this application.
Wouldn't a friction fit work with the design ? Maybe a bayonet fitting or quarter turn fitting ?
I mean... everyone prefer the convenience of threadless grinders.
I find the threads on the TA a bit fiddly, although I know the tempest has modified acme threads that engage better and faster, I'm sure a quick fit solution would appeal to people.

I’m thinking of just using industry standard stainless steel or titanium so I can produce more advanced designs than what can be produced with ceramics.

With my concept the oven is connected to the stem with threads (instead of O-rings)
But there's no threads to access the bowl (really not a big fan of that)
So my design just uses a standard Dynavap cap to sheath the bowl.




I think it’s worth removing the lowest shelf I hardly ever use it. Do you think this would be an issue with the ZXXL Bowl as well?

Should be fine as the ZXXL has thicker walls, but you'd just want to exercise some caution because that diffuser bowl is super heavy!

Lil non-sequitur, but a question I had for the zx inspired this idea for a learning project:

I’ve been building a local AI tool to explore what large language models can actually do—separate from the large-scale cloud services and interfaces built around tools like ChatGPT. As a test case, I focused on a real-world challenge: **how difficult it is to find specific, valuable info buried in long forum threads**.

Apologies for the random post, but since I'm wrapping up my experiment, I just wanted to share my mvp system's response to the initial question I had: "what are the best temperature settings for the ZX?". I wouldn't take its advice anytime soon haha, but I'm happy with the experiment.

Code:
Using existing thread: phase3-vaporizers.48_4d5dce1be37a
Analyzing query and searching thread...
Detected broad/vague query - providing comprehensive overview.
Analytical focus: recommendations
The ideal temperature for your ZX vaporizer is typically set between 470°F and 490°F.
However, to optimize both vapor quality and user experience, aim for a balanced range of 480-485°F.
This setting offers a sweet spot where you can enjoy the right amount of tar while avoiding overcooking or harsh vapor that might cause discomfort.
If your device allows real-time temperature adjustment, ensure you hold it steady to maintain comfort and avoid inhaling harmful vapor quickly.

We wanna make sure you have the absolute perfect amount of tar :D


@Sultana lungs @Zagala @Pukka the top shelf is definitely killer.
Honestly not sure if there's anything truly more efficient in the entire industry than that top shelf ZX hit. :D



They both hit really well but I would say it's what you would expect, the ZX is the best flavor

;):rockon:

I absolutely love my ZX. Let me make that crystal clear.

The ZX is my "apex" vape by a wide measure.

If there are going to be revisions moving forward, here is my constructive criticism:

I see almost zero value in the 3 shelf design. In fact, for me is is somewhat detrimental vs having one shelf inside that is 100% secure.

I find the current design somewhat "fiddly" when it comes to seating the screen. I've developed ways to seat the screen more securely, but I think the design could be improved (so a screen would never slip out of position unintentionally).

Even when I'm conscientious to seat the screen as well as I possibly can, I never feel 100% confidence that it won't move. I'd strongly prefer having one shelf that ensures the screen is going nowhere (unless it is pressed out from below). I think it would require only a small fraction of additional shelf "lip" to achieve that end.

The second issue is that I feel the the tolerances of the current bowls could be tweaked ever so slightly to reduce the odds of having an unsecured top uncoupling from the bowl.

Not having a grasp on handle at all times is probably a bad idea (no argument there) but we are dealing with stoners here.

I have had the experience of the red hot end breaking loose from the bowl, and if the coupling was slightly more secure (by design) I'd welcome that improvement.

I offer these suggestions as a huge fan.

Bill

Interesting,

I find the new bowl design is an lot easier to change/seat the screen than the previous design. I really love that about the new bowl as I change them often.

And I appreciate the feedback as it allows me a chance to either address or improve which I think is a win/win.


As for the joint slipping out - honestly I don’t think it’s possible to put enough leverage on the device for that to happen, unless the joint was never fully seated to begin with. I suspect you would snap the joint off the heater or the bong before a fully inserted joint would slip out of the bowl.

Now I have seen people do this with my personal ZX and I’ve experienced it myself. It will pretty much look like it’s in, but it’s really not, like this.

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And when you go to pick up the bong, the heater can “fall off.”

But it’s because the heater wasn’t fully seated to begin with. In the photo above it’s bound up at an angle. And depending on the angle you’re observing from it can
look rather close to being properly installed.

That could happen if the joint in the heater or the bowl has residue or something on it affecting insertion.

If you have a coil handle, those add leverage on one side which could cause it to bind at an angle.

It’s a very slim chance of happening, but it’s possible. For that reason I’ve recommend in here to pick up your glass piece first and then bring the ZX to it, rather than attaching the heater on the table, then lifting up a glass rig.

Here’s a test you definitely won’t see from any 22MM diffuser ball vape company

Cheers Bill, appreciate your input 🙏
 

Spy Car

Well-Known Member
Interesting,

I find the new bowl design is an lot easier to change/seat the screen than the previous design. I really love that about the new bowl as I change them often.

And I appreciate the feedback as it allows me a chance to either address or improve which I think is a win/win.


As for the joint slipping out - honestly I don’t think it’s possible to put enough leverage on the device for that to happen, unless the joint was never fully seated to begin with. I suspect you would snap the joint off the heater or the bong before a fully inserted joint would slip out of the bowl.

Now I have seen people do this with my personal ZX and I’ve experienced it myself. It will pretty much look like it’s in, but it’s really not, like this.

1-B92-DFF7-2-A6-A-4556-B75-D-D5-D02-B3767-BA.jpg


And when you go to pick up the bong, the heater can “fall off.”

But it’s because the heater wasn’t fully seated to begin with. In the photo above it’s bound up at an angle. And depending on the angle you’re observing from it can
look rather close to being properly installed.

That could happen if the joint in the heater or the bowl has residue or something on it affecting insertion.

If you have a coil handle, those add leverage on one side which could cause it to bind at an angle.

It’s a very slim chance of happening, but it’s possible. For that reason I’ve recommend in here to pick up your glass piece first and then bring the ZX to it, rather than attaching the heater on the table, then lifting up a glass rig.

Here’s a test you definitely won’t see from any 22MM diffuser ball vape company

Cheers Bill, appreciate your input 🙏

Thanks for getting back, Ryan.

I have not used bowls of the previous design.

I'm my mind's eye, I'd love to see a shelf that extends just a wee bit more (perhaps twice what is there on the current 3-stage version?). So I'd have a hard stop for the screen. It would not take much.

Test fitting my heater and bowl just now, they are snug.

Not sure if it is "user error," or perhaps (likely) some stray herb broke the seal on the occasions the heater has busted loose on me, but it has happened.

Perhaps I will just need to exercise more care on my end?

Just a bit more "lip" to help hold the screen remains a feature I'd desire.

Cheers,

Bill
 

joaosbp

New Member
Apologies friend, I don't have any deals running right now as this drop has been some months in the making,

Appreciate your interest a ton!

Appreciate everyone following along and supporting the vision!
No problem, I see your point. Actually, already bought one even though. But please when posting to Brazil do NOT write "vaporizer" on package because it's not allowed in my stupid country. Just remember that, i beg you.
 
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