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What about "highdeas" ?
U know what I'm thinking of now? The old reddit system where you'd bracket a number [0-1] being sober; [10] would be non compos mentis / have to be pulled from the couch.

Was thinking of [>= 6]. Cause experienced people can basically write pretty close to their ability when sober.

The other thing I'm thinking of is sarc / meme style, vs actual writing (being careful not to give away PII, etc. The latter has been my thought from the beginning, and my preference, vs the first option.

Basically, the big rule is: Don't write sober posts. We welcome most degrees of temporary cranial incapacitation. Just don't ask us to interpret the results. :D
 
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And here I was, limiting to Cannabis.
Rodney... I saw you mention other substances you've used (formerly). Going to give you a PM this weekend on this (not now). Thx.

(on edit: 'clarity of thought' ? That's the LAST thing I want (for myself, anyway). I may have just found something I've been looking for for 10yrs now. More in private; dunno what TOS are on this (e.g.; promotion of non-cannabinoid substances / harm reduction, etc). Oh, and right now.... about [6] on the button :)
 
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Like, why wouldn't they simply wait for these movements to fail? Are they stupid?
If you had their resources, would you leave ANYTHING to chance? Best to drown it while still in the washbasin, lest it get some sort of foothold.

From what I've read here, most socialists are more concerned with hating the rich and trying to punish them than with the plight of the poor.

As the famous (?) quote goes, someone asked a bank robber why he robbed banks. "Because that's where the money is", was his reply.

2025 version: where you think we should be going, other than the money and the fucking guns, mate?

Seriously. Dethrone the power, and distribute the 'prize' like the pirates did during Age of Sail. Equitably (more or less). Because they were a team, working together. Like a pack of wolves.

I'm Canadian and that is not why. He has been pretty clear about why. Some of it I agree with, some I don't. Such is the nature of politics

You and I have not come across each others' paths, until now. If we get into some sort of discussion, I'll promise to review a bit of your post history, in order to assess familiarize myself with your thoughts / views. (I'm still knd of a newbie, only being here about a year)

I had heard there were right-wing Canadians outside of Alberta, and here's one right amongst us. Wouldn't mind hearing what in the fuck-all you agree with TCF and his crew about. But not here / now. I'm not about to give the wolves a second meal, today. :) 🦊🐺🦊
They're well-fed and ready to put down for the night. But you hear them. They howl outside the door. YOUR door. 🤣
 
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What about "highdeas" ?
I know this is the 2nd time quoting this, today, but I hear it again... and I LIKE this.

Guessing forum / threads can't be changed, once created, so you don't win, just yet, sir (and even if you did, it wouldn't be much, me being a pensioner, and all.... 😿 :cheers: But I like this enough to pack another bowl... To Radwin! :spliff:
 
Funny, but I never thought to look on reddit for this. Yet, there it Is. And just by the first post I see, you're right. A bit disappointing.

The GOOD news is that that's not what I want for my / our little corner of the world (although I may explore, sonetime). I want people who can construct (mostly) coherent paragraphs

So now that I have a follower... er, acolyte, maybe you should expect an IM group invite soon, so this group can get back to its real business... promoting that 'thuh Soshulism' be spread like butter on toast.

(Foe the obtuse amongst you, that is obviously meant as /sarcasm, and no one need think I'm going to abandon social democracy two days after overtly endorsing it)
 
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florduh

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Bad guys in the new Superman Movie: ICE, the IDF

Good guys in the new Superman Movie: Immigrants, Palestinians

LOL!

LMAO!!

Fascists who want to go see a fun superhero movie with no WOKENESS this summer:

Lose Willy Wonka GIF
 
Gunn (?) must've had *absolute* control of that project. Good for him.

(on edit: would make sense if he did, since he came over from MCU to save DC's ass.)
 
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One of these days, I'm going to read a scholarly account of 'Israel' (the people, not the artificially created state by UK / others). And it won't be the Torah.

The people had the high ground for what would've been forever, after WW2. And that's all gone, now -- oppressed has become oppressor -- and the new oppressor is obviously *enjoying* it, immensely. (yes, for those about to jump on me -- I KNOW Hamas 'started' this one, ostensibly).

So, they've got Supes fighting the ally *and* the US in this one? At least part of the way through? I'd go buy a ticket to see Superman vs World.
Hopefully, Kal-El wouldn't stop at 'random half', like Thanos, but figure out the deserving ones to rebuild with.

(again... for those who haven't had morning coffee yet (like me)... this is a sarcastic accounting of fictional *comic book characters*. ) Stop, before you start
 
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Lastly, I didn't notice, and perhaps I missed it, where you asked those who favor socialism to provide their sources. I'll ask again this crowd. Please name 1 country where full socialism has been successful. Anyone? Didn't think so. Are there no reliable sources?
LOL this question is very poorly worded and is impossible to answer. The United States has Social Security which many on the right consider Socialism, so aren't we a socialist country? Or what about European socialism eg. Norway ?
 
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Bazinga

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If socialism is always doomed to fail, why has the capitalist American government spent tens of trillions of dollars since 1946 on sabotaging socialist movements around the globe :hmm:

Like, why wouldn't they simply wait for these movements to fail? Are they stupid?
Here you go again. Unsubstantiated claims. Please provide data. Tens of trillions, huh. Around the the globe? Could you be more specific? How exactly did the capitalists accomplish this feat. Did they do it on their own or with the assistance of our government?

These are fair questions. Is it possible for you to reply with facts and without your condescending attitude. Look if you do not have the data and this is only your opinion, that's fine. This your entitled to it. My opinion is that vanilla ice cream is the best. I am unable to prove this. It's my opinion. You do a disservice to the thread and to yourself with your outrageous claims. At the end of the day perhaps your correct. Strengthen your claim by giving us something tangible to look at.

Also, for full disclosure, Moose Tracks ice cream is the best !!

Bodnic said:
Yeah, now tell me capitalism cares about the poor

I can't. I'll tell you why I can't. Capitalism is a construct. It is not human. Now, take a look at individual capitalists (humans not ideas). You'll find that the amount they contribute to all sorts charitable organizations (including ones that aid the poor) is quite revealing. The National Philanthropic Trust states that Americans gave $557 billion (billions - not thousands, not millions) in charitable giving. I've presented data. Now kindly present yours providing credence to your claim. Then we can actually have an educated discussion. Thanks.

Flotsam said:
this question is very poorly worded and is impossible to answer. The United States has Social Security which many on the right consider Socialism, so aren't we a socialist country? Or what about European socialism eg. Norway ?

Apparently, even poorly worded, you understood it !! I've reread my post and found it to be perfectly clear. Does anyone else have trouble understanding it? Let's talk about it. I have previously stated will state again. We do have some aspects of socialism. As you mentioned Social Security is one. Although one might argue that the money spent by social security came directly from people like you and me and our employers. Its available because we paid for it. It's tax that I wholeheartedly agree with. With respect to Norway (beautiful country) and the other Nordic countries their policies have been very successful. I said this many times. They have not embraced full socialism nor the sharing of the wealth in a manner that many here subscribe to. My belief is we should continue with capitalism but make changes so that it becomes better. Elimination of capitalism in it's entirety and replacing it with socialism will doom this county .
Please provide the name of 1 (just 1) country that is fully socialistic and forces the wealthy to share their profits that has been successful. I hope this is worded in a fashion that you are able to understand. I apologize if you didn't understand my post. Keep in mind you appear to be the only one who had this issue.

Bakin4life said:
One of these days, I'm going to read a scholarly account of 'Israel' (the people, not the artificially created state by UK / others). And it won't be the Torah.

If you find one kindly let me know. I would also like to read it.
 
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If you find one kindly let me know. I would also like to read it.
If you have an Amzn account, there must be SOMETHING accessible, at least to get started.

Reciprocated: If YOU find something even-handed (or, at least, strives for accuracy), let me know. If you have a Kindle account, and we can still lend books between members, that might be an option -?

(on edit: Lending libraries (electronic conduits) are even cheaper, and 'free' is good, especially when it comes to newlywed Jeff and his brown nosing ass. Waiting for the day the government presents me with a list of prior purchases. Should be fun!)
 
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Here you go again. Unsubstantiated claims. Please provide data. Tens of trillions, huh. Around the the globe? Could you be more specific? How exactly did the capitalists accomplish this feat. Did they do it on their own or with the assistance of our government?

You literally lived through the entire Cold War. What the fuck do you think that cost? What the fuck do you think the Vietnam War was?


If you have an Amzn account, there must be SOMETHING accessible, at least to get started.

Here's a free and excellent documentary:

 
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Old man, you literally lived through the entire Cold War. What the fuck do you think that cost? What the fuck do you think the Vietnam War was?
Sorry, Bazinga, but this is a mic drop. Maybe the shortest best post he's written, in my time here.

Also sorry for his perjorative (cause I know it bugs you.) I'm closer to your age than his, and I'm not offended, at least.
 

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Sorry, Bazinga, but this is a mic drop. Maybe the shortest best post he's written, in my time here.

Also sorry for his perjorative (cause I know it bugs you.) I'm closer to your age than his, and I'm not offended, at least.

Bakin, you're getting me in trouble I edited the pejorative out because I felt bad (but only a little).

If anyone wants a good primer on the history of America fighting Leftist and Socialist movements around the globe, here you go:


@Numerous_Nothing also recommended it in the Bookworm thread. As a bonus, you'll learn who killed JFK!
 
Bakin, you're getting me in trouble I edited the pejorative out because I felt bad (but only a little).
Going with feelings helped you, here, IMO.

Far be it from me to try and censor you, and I doubt I'd even try. But that short edit window can be your friend, sometimes.

My own theory here is that if you don't have a long-established relationship, or know the recipient personally... bomb tossing isn't always best. I know you're aware of this; it's written for the community at-large.

Unless the first bomb is tossed by the other party. Then it's full battle rattle, especially in a loosely moderated forum.
 
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My own theory here is that if you don't have a long-established relationship, or know the recipient personally... bomb tossing isn't always best.

To be fair, there's a whole new cohort of people calling me "Old Man" every year too:myday:. Currently, it' everyone under the age of about 29.

I was just mad that someone didn't remember what the Cold War was. Korea and Vietnam alone cost trillions. Then there's all the dirty little clandestine wars we like to forget. Another recommendation:


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Korea and Vietnam alone cost trillions. Then there's all the dirty little clandestine wars we like to forget
I like to use 'blood and treasure' when talking war. Money is fungible (especially when your currency is the world's reserve), but including the killing of a population drives the importance, IMO. Then there's opportunity cost, yada yada.

(and FUCK auto-correct on this new phone -- let's see some AI at work, bitches!)

Let's see... do we go back to Guatemala '54, or should we start earlier? J/k, old man... you'll have the 'kids' beside themselves in about 5min.
 
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If you have an Amzn account, there must be SOMETHING accessible, at least to get started.

Reciprocated: If YOU find something even-handed (or, at least, strives for accuracy), let me know. If you have a Kindle account, and we can still lend books between members, that might be an option -?

(on edit: Lending libraries (electronic conduits) are even cheaper, and 'free' is good, especially when it comes to newlywed Jeff and his brown nosing ass. Waiting for the day the government presents me with a list of prior purchases. Should be fun!)
Will do. It's hard to find a completely objective treatise on the subject. I'm sure there out there - just have to keep searching.

Florduh said:
You literally lived through the entire Cold War. What the fuck do you think that cost? What the fuck do you think the Vietnam War was?

Actually the Cold war and Vietnam War was primarily due to fighting against communism while Socialism was definitely a part of it. But then, isn't socialism part of every communist country? BTW - these two examples do not constitute your claim of "around the world"

Here are some facts:
  • North Vietnam was a communist republic led by Ho Chi Minh.
  • War broke out between the North and South. From 1958 onwards, the South came under increasing attacks from communists in South Vietnam itself. They were called the National Liberation Front (NLF). Not the National Socialist Front (the last sentence here are my words).
  • The Domino Theory. This was the belief that if one country fell to communism, it was likely that the neighboring one would also fall – similar to a row of dominoes falling over.
The above was taken directly from a publication from the BBC. I've looked at other sources that say the same.

The Cold War was a period of global geopolitical rivalry between the United States and the Soviet Union and their respective allies, the capitalist Western Bloc and communist Eastern Bloc, which began in the aftermath of the Second World War and ended with the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991. Wikipedia

The cost of the war was astounding, and I think, most agree. And since you asked the cost my research indicates estimates ranging from around $110 billion to about $160 billion. Just think what our country could have done with that amount of money.


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Sorry, Bazinga, but this is a mic drop. Maybe the shortest best post he's written, in my time here.

Don't be so quick to drop the mic. Just because Dr. Florduh states something doesn't mean its true. Same goes for me. Read my post above It contains facts. The conflicts he states happened primarily due to stopping and preventing communism. Feel free to prove me wrong.

Also sorry for his perjorative (cause I know it bugs you.) I'm closer to your age than his, and I'm not offended, at least.

Okay, maybe. Here goes. Do you remember the TV show Sky King? Don't google it. Either your familiar with it or your not. Trivia questions about the show: What was the name of the plane? What was his niece's name? Interesting that I can remember this not not what I had for breakfast !!
Yeah, I'm old !

Hey Florduh. As soon I as finish the last one you recommended (quite an eye opener). I'd like to read the Devil's Chessboard. I already know that Allen Dulles was a POS. Also you stated "I was just mad that someone didn't remember what the Cold War was". I know you weren't referring to me. I did it fact, live through that stupidity. I've studied it (not intensely) and learned that the silliness was to due to ill fated attempt eliminate to eliminate communism.

I know you are all tired of this. But here goes:
Show me 1, just one, country that is fully socialistic and while it forces it's wealthy to share their wealth (notwithstanding taxes).
 
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Radwin Bodnic

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I know you are all tired of this. But here goes:
Show me 1, just one, country that is fully socialistic and while it forces its wealthy to share their wealth (notwithstanding taxes).
You keep asking for proofs of successful socialist country without acknowledging that the USA have been sabotaging almost every one of them since not far from a century.

Aaaand you didn't bothered to answer my question :

How do you define success for a country ?

Like... I know what successful capitalism look like. But as it leads to immense inequity, domination of very few over many, destruction of our environment (which is our only mean of subsistance) and ultimately to massive ecological extinction that threaten the existence of the very specie that invented it... successful capitalism appear to be the greatest failure of mankind. (Which is a very successful oxymoron imho).

Do you think capitalist America is a success ? I know it has been a success to you. But what about the country itself ? The environment in which Americans live nowadays ? Capitalism is causing the sixth mass extinction but maybe that's not something you can see given you're blind to a "simple" genocide. (Please excuse my words.)
 

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You keep asking for proofs of successful socialist country without acknowledging that the USA have been sabotaging almost every one of them since not far from a century.

Aaaand you didn't bothered to answer my question :



Do you think capitalist America is a success ? I know it has been a success to you. But what about the country itself ? The environment in which Americans live nowadays ? Capitalism is causing the sixth mass extinction but maybe that's not something you can see given you're blind to a "simple" genocide. (Please excuse my words.)
So you answer my question by stating that the USA has been involved sabotaging every one of them. So, you admit there isn't one? Because the USA made them fail? Wow!! Please show me examples. NOT COMMUNISM. Please prove your point. There are approximately 195 countries in the world. How many has the USA been responsible for for eliminating socialism. It still exits so I suppose the USA hasn't done a very good job.

First, I think the sixth mass extinction is related to all the people on the planet.
One source states "the unsustainable use of land, water and energy use, and climate it is mainly caused by human activity".

The WWF, the World Wildlife Fund, states "Unlike previous extinction events caused by natural phenomena, the sixth mass extinction is driven by human activity, primarily (though not limited to) the unsustainable use of land, water and energy use, and climate change. Currently, 40% of all land has been converted for food production. Agriculture is also responsible...". Haven't seen any mention of the cause being due to capitalism. But I will say that some of the aforementioned drivers of the problem have come form capitalism activities. But they are not alone. Take a look at China and Russia. India to some extent as they slowly move away from strict socialism.

You should realize that just because you said it - doesn't mean it's true. An article published by the FEE, Foundation for Economic Education, states:

"But if the profit motive is the primary cause of pollution, one would not expect to find much pollution in socialist countries, such as the former Soviet Union, China, and in the former Communist countries of Eastern and Central Europe. That is, in theory. In reality exactly the opposite is true: The socialist world suffers from the worst pollution on earth. Could it be that free enterprise is not so incompatible with environmental protection after all?"

I have shown you actual data. Would you be kind enough to present yours? Please.

You stated "I'm blind to simple genocide". No facts to back it up. I haven't accused you of anything. Have I? I'm old enough to have seen genocide and recognize it.

Lastly, to answer your question. Overall, Capitalism has absolutely been successful. Not without some issues. There is great room for improvement. Why don't we fix what we have?

I am not arguing with you. We are sharing our thoughts and both of us want the world to be better. I only wish you wouldn't make claims without support. For example: stating that in your opinion "capitalism is causing the sixth mass extinction" is much better than making the statement without the word "opinion". Unless, of course, you can provide the references.
 
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Israeli barbarity in the West Bank shows how hollow refrains of, "the WAR would end if KHAMAS surrenders and release the hostages" are. There's no Hamas in the occupied WB.

I'd be interested to know if the settler-terrorist murderers are American dual citizens.
 
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