Fiberglass found in Angus Enhanced

2tiki

2tiki

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I found the following info on an official site about the safety of ceramic fiber:
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The fibres themselves can irritate the skin, eyes and upper respiratory tract but the main concern is that the individual fibres are small enough to penetrate deep into the lungs and possibly lead to the development of lung cancer and mesothelioma.
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But even if it was 100% not a possible cancer risk, you really don't want any kind of fibers getting into your lungs. COPD is horrible, and can be caused by virtually anything getting stuck in your lungs, especially with repeated exposure. Also, there is more to why people are upset that what may happen from whatever fiber was used. This is not a single issue problem. That has been explained many times in here already. There are definitely people over reacting, and people underreacting to the situation, as well as people who are just focused on facts without much emotional drive.

I have never owned one, so for my own sake, I'm not nearly as upset as anyone would understandably be if they had been using it. But since I generally care about the well being of others on this planet, I'm empathetically upset for them. I was also assuming that I was going to buy the new Ariolite if people on FC mostly thought it was good enough. Now I have to hold off because people raved about the AE, yet didn't know about this potential issue, and people do have valid cause to not blindly trust the company.

If we assume that the material was 100% safe, and therefore there is no cause for concern, YLL still handled this whole thing terribly. If there was nothing to be concerned about, they could have made some sort of public statement with data and links to 3rd party sources that back up that position. But to the best of my knowledge, that has never happened. I would also think that it would be odd to offer replacements if there was nothing wrong in the first place.
 
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Andreaerdna

If God is the answer, then the question is wrong
UPdownLoAD said:
POTV has a different bottom posted on their AE listing (still up), and theirs looks more like the China Export logo:



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Kind of curious about this, I recall angus original pictures with china export logo and I stopped following AE after seeing the render above still with china export logo

So, about CE logo, asking to AE owners: how does it look like the bottom of your device, upper or down picture?

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Texus

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Grass Yes said:
And yet you feel the need to speculate and directly contradict what YLL themselves have said. I see you are choosing to believe a "forum rando" about the material based on their claims about Mandarin? Why not go to the source. You have a clear connection to YLL vape and used to speak to "Mike" often. Use that to find out instead of spreading other speculation here, as a forum rando.
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I have no connection to Mike or YLL. He asked to use a photo I posted here on the YLL Instagram in March 2023 and I passed along accessory ideas in Nov 2022 (after owning OG for month or so). That is the extent of our communication. Ever. My original purchase was not even thru YLL, I grabbed it from Vgoodiez (all detailed here).

Please don't hurl accusations about something you know nothing about. But I think you were the source of this "fake CE" idea here as well, so that may be a lot to ask.

Not sure where you are getting this idea that I used to "speak to 'Mike' often." So either show me your evidence or stop speaking about matters you know nothing about. Or do staff members get permission to make up things about other forum users? Not a good look.

Don't want to stir the pot, but also not going to let blatantly wrong claims about me get a pass, especially considering the innuendo involved here.
 
Grass Yes

Grass Yes

Yes
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Texus said:
Don't want to stir the pot, but also not going to let blatantly wrong claims about me get a pass, especially considering the innuendo involved here.
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I am glad you cleared that up. I think I must have confused you with someone else. Although I am confused why anyone would go to the lengths you have gone to defending Mike and YLL for free.
 
justcametomind

justcametomind

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2tiki said:
I found the following info on an official site about the safety of ceramic fiber:
---
The fibres themselves can irritate the skin, eyes and upper respiratory tract but the main concern is that the individual fibres are small enough to penetrate deep into the lungs and possibly lead to the development of lung cancer and mesothelioma.
---

But even if it was 100% not a possible cancer risk, you really don't want any kind of fibers getting into your lungs. COPD is horrible, and can be caused by virtually anything getting stuck in your lungs, especially with repeated exposure. Also, there is more to why people are upset that what may happen from whatever fiber was used. This is not a single issue problem. That has been explained many times in here already. There are definitely people over reacting, and people underreacting to the situation, as well as people who are just focused on facts without much emotional drive.

I have never owned one, so for my own sake, I'm not nearly as upset as anyone would understandably be if they had been using it. But since I generally care about the well being of others on this planet, I'm empathetically upset for them. I was also assuming that I was going to buy the new Ariolite if people on FC mostly thought it was good enough. Now I have to hold off because people raved about the AE, yet didn't know about this potential issue, and people do have valid cause to not blindly trust the company.

If we assume that the material was 100% safe, and therefore there is no cause for concern, YLL still handled this whole thing terribly. If there was nothing to be concerned about, they could have made some sort of public statement with data and links to 3rd party sources that back up that position. But to the best of my knowledge, that has never happened. I would also think that it would be odd to offer replacements if there was nothing wrong in the first place.
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If what you say is right, and I think it is, people should sue YLL vapes for having put at risk the respiratory tract of its buyers.
This also made me think I’m right sticking to Storz and Bickel and try to avoid Vas for artisanal vapes or at least unknown brands for the future. And I don’t think S&B is “safe”. They are just “less likely” to be exposed to such a mess being the biggest company and the one who spends more in research, supposedly. In fact I took notice when their take on “on demand” vaporizers was the Venty, which means that probably quicker on demand portables, made using glowing heaters that heat up in one second are not safe, that alongen portables where never a thing because hard to dissipate heat from, otherwise SB or Arizer would have come up with something similar to the AE
We should scrutinize every single thing in vaporizers that is thought to be true, for example the fact that glass vapor paths are inherently “safe” by definition.
Or the fact that since you are not smoking, you can vaporize all day long with no damage taken.
Imho if your cannabis intake makes you vaporize all day long you should switch to edibles for the most part, if you want to play safe.
 
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RAMMSTEIN

RAMMSTEIN

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You really read a lot, and there are also a lot of explanations.
I'm glad I didn't buy AE back then and will avoid all products from this company in the future.
So they can explain whatever they want... As soon as I see something from Yllvape, I won't buy it.
 
pakalolo

pakalolo

Toolbag v1.1 (candidate)
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I have received a reply from Mike and I expect he will post here shortly. I have unlocked the thread but please do not post unless you have new information. In particular, do not post just to disagree with someone else. Thanks for your cooperation.

Edit: Mike has asked that I keep the thread locked until he is ready to post.
 
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Abysmal Vapor

Abysmal Vapor

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chillAtGVC said:
Where is that picture from? It says it is 8 years old...
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1st picture is from Insta of Yllvape ,second picture is from internet , i just want to show what fiber glass cable insulation looks like and that it is common to be used on T probes, i have the same on my multimeter . The yllvape cable looks exactly like this.
I was just addressing the claim that all fiber glass is removed, doesn't look like that to me . Maybe did not took account there is still fiber glass insulation for the cable ,but it is their job to be aware. They show test for o-ring and rubber material ,silvery metal ,but no mention about this cable material. Anyway , i wont be getting any further into material discussions as it is not main topic of the thread , i just saw something bothering and decided to share.
 
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Glorg

Glorg

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Abysmal Vapor said:
1st picture is from Insta of Yllvape ,second picture is from internet , i just want to show what fiber glass cable insulation looks like and that it is common to be used on T probes, i have the same on my multimeter . The yllvape cable looks exactly like this.
I was just addressing the claim that all fiber glass is removed, doesn't look like that to me . Maybe did not took account there is still fiber glass insulation for the cable ,but it is their job to be aware. They show test for o-ring and rubber material ,silvery metal ,but no mention about this cable material. Anyway , i wont be getting any further into material discussions as it is not main topic of the thread , i just saw something bothering and decided to share.
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It’s almost like there’s relevant new talking points about the material discussion, but that would belong in the material discussion page, but that’s locked a month ago by pak even though yll already published their response on Instagram… what would I know though I’m just a stoner on the internet right.
 
YLLVAPE OFFICAL

YLLVAPE OFFICAL

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Manufacturer
Hey everyone,

Just wanted to take a moment to clarify something we've seen the teardown post — specifically about the insulation sleeve around the temperature sensor wires in our device.

Some people have assumed the braided white sleeve is made of fiberglass, but that’s not the case.

We actually use a PBO braided rope, not fiberglass sleeving. We totally get the confusion — the PBO sleeve can look similar to fiberglass, especially in its braided form. But it’s a high-performance composite fiber that offers superior thermal insulation, zero skin irritation, and no fiber shedding. It's a much safer and stronger alternative to fiberglass.

In addition, we’ve built in a double-wall stainless steel tube that acts as an insulator between the internal metal components and the outer plastic shell — so the device remains cool and comfortable to hold, even during extended sessions.

For the updated Angus Enhanced, we want to reassure everyone that there is no fiberglass inside. Our team has been working hard to ramp up production of the replacement units — and yes, it's been a challenge to meet the high demand in such a short time. That said, we're now actively shipping out the updated units to retailers and customers in batches.

Thanks for your patience and understanding. We will get the packages shipped out ASAP.

YLLVAPE
 
Nebelmann

Nebelmann

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Good to hear from YLLVAPE directly. The statement seems to miss out on some important points, tho. I would have guessed they include a third party material analysis or something like that. Personally, I don't want any kind of fibre in such a device. And what about the C E logo(s)?
 
Radwin Bodnic

Radwin Bodnic

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Accessory Maker
PBO, also known as Zylon is a high tech fiber that could be suited for this kind of use. It begin decomposing itself around 700°C which should be roughly a 3:1 safety factor regarding our use. It's quite expensive if you compare it to fiberglass.
It's really sensitive to UV and visible light but that shouldn't be an issue here.

However...
I've worked with Zylon in the past and I hate to say that, but every single PBO fiber I've ever seen, either raw, braided or weaved, was shiny, golden and silky. Even lightly orange when raw.

I don't want to fan the flames but I'd be much more confident if the tear down picture didn't showed a plain white and rather matte hollow braid.

The air path does look well isolated though. I have to say that I feel a lot less concerned by AE´s internals than the state of mica heat shields on some vapman...
 
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MegaChip

Member
YLLVAPE OFFICAL said:
Hey everyone,

Just wanted to take a moment to clarify something we've seen the teardown post — specifically about the insulation sleeve around the temperature sensor wires in our device.

Some people have assumed the braided white sleeve is made of fiberglass, but that’s not the case.

We actually use a PBO braided rope, not fiberglass sleeving. We totally get the confusion — the PBO sleeve can look similar to fiberglass, especially in its braided form. But it’s a high-performance composite fiber that offers superior thermal insulation, zero skin irritation, and no fiber shedding. It's a much safer and stronger alternative to fiberglass.

In addition, we’ve built in a double-wall stainless steel tube that acts as an insulator between the internal metal components and the outer plastic shell — so the device remains cool and comfortable to hold, even during extended sessions.

For the updated Angus Enhanced, we want to reassure everyone that there is no fiberglass inside. Our team has been working hard to ramp up production of the replacement units — and yes, it's been a challenge to meet the high demand in such a short time. That said, we're now actively shipping out the updated units to retailers and customers in batches.

Thanks for your patience and understanding. We will get the packages shipped out ASAP.

YLLVAPE
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So you saw the post but won't adress like 80% of the criticism in there, like listing materials as “silvery metal” and “black plastic”, which is not traceable or acceptable under CE requirements? That there was no public recall, that there is no posted CE documentation?
 
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spicymeatball

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YLLVAPE OFFICAL said:
Hey everyone,

Just wanted to take a moment to clarify something we've seen the teardown post — specifically about the insulation sleeve around the temperature sensor wires in our device.

Some people have assumed the braided white sleeve is made of fiberglass, but that’s not the case.

We actually use a PBO braided rope, not fiberglass sleeving. We totally get the confusion — the PBO sleeve can look similar to fiberglass, especially in its braided form. But it’s a high-performance composite fiber that offers superior thermal insulation, zero skin irritation, and no fiber shedding. It's a much safer and stronger alternative to fiberglass.

In addition, we’ve built in a double-wall stainless steel tube that acts as an insulator between the internal metal components and the outer plastic shell — so the device remains cool and comfortable to hold, even during extended sessions.

For the updated Angus Enhanced, we want to reassure everyone that there is no fiberglass inside. Our team has been working hard to ramp up production of the replacement units — and yes, it's been a challenge to meet the high demand in such a short time. That said, we're now actively shipping out the updated units to retailers and customers in batches.

Thanks for your patience and understanding. We will get the packages shipped out ASAP.

YLLVAPE
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Appreciate the post but words mean nothing without a 3rd party QA test.
 
R1ng0

R1ng0

Well-Known Member
YLLVAPE OFFICAL said:
Hey everyone,

Just wanted to take a moment to clarify something we've seen the teardown post — specifically about the insulation sleeve around the temperature sensor wires in our device.

Some people have assumed the braided white sleeve is made of fiberglass, but that’s not the case.

We actually use a PBO braided rope, not fiberglass sleeving. We totally get the confusion — the PBO sleeve can look similar to fiberglass, especially in its braided form. But it’s a high-performance composite fiber that offers superior thermal insulation, zero skin irritation, and no fiber shedding. It's a much safer and stronger alternative to fiberglass.

In addition, we’ve built in a double-wall stainless steel tube that acts as an insulator between the internal metal components and the outer plastic shell — so the device remains cool and comfortable to hold, even during extended sessions.

For the updated Angus Enhanced, we want to reassure everyone that there is no fiberglass inside. Our team has been working hard to ramp up production of the replacement units — and yes, it's been a challenge to meet the high demand in such a short time. That said, we're now actively shipping out the updated units to retailers and customers in batches.

Thanks for your patience and understanding. We will get the packages shipped out ASAP.

YLLVAPE
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Hi so how do we get a replacement cos mine is a paperweight since I read the fibre glass 1st post and noone has been in contact with me re any free replacement which I think quite frankly is deplorable.
 
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