Camouflet Convector

budski

budski

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I received a ?? about other tips w/convector, here's a quick response.

"I have tried the vaphit X, and like the helix the vent holes in the bowl take away from the convection process of the convector cap by letting cool air into the bowl w/out heating it through the heatmatrix in the tip. The vapx won't hold the convctr cap as it's slightly skinnier than the vong tips, some vong tips are just big around enough to hold the convctr cap because they are a bit too tight a fit for regular captive caps, so doesn't let cool air in around the sides.
I've also found the tips w/ spiral grooves (5 fin Ti) again lets too much cool air in around the tip. All the air needs to pass through the heat matrix in the end of the cap."
ps 9fin SE is spiral so doesn't work, halo and omni does
 
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dude_de

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TeaCup said:
Not sure why you'd love a too hot to hold stem though.
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I don't find it too hot to hold. Sure, the closer your fingers move towards the business end, the hotter it will get. To the point of being too hot to hold. If I keep my fingers between the mouthpiece and the air port, I never find it too hot.

Especially with the Convector with its minimal thermal mass, I can't see how the Revolve could get too hot. I have used my Revolve with Dynavap tips extensively with no problem. Even the Tempest with its relatively huge thermal mass doesn't change that: the "finger area" stays cool enough.
 
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TeaCup

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tasticleeze said:
I used my cxl with an old glass revolve stem and it worked like a charm! One thing to check is make sure your o-rings are the only thing on your tip touching the stem
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dude_de said:
I don't find it too hot to hold. Sure, the closer your fingers move towards the business end, the hotter it will get. To the point of being too hot to hold. If I keep my fingers between the mouthpiece and the air port, I never find it too hot.
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Ok, we're all good now!!! Figured out what you were saying @tasticleeze and I'm really kinda loving the heck out of this little thing. Everytime someone would say that using the Anvil or Tempest feels like smoking a joint I never got that same feeling.......but oh boy oh boy, THIS feels like smoking a joint to me!!!! I dig the heck out of this. Thanks guys! I want an other one damnit, lol.
 
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budski

budski

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I would have never thought an electrically 'lit' joint experience was possible yet here we are! I love using the UFO like an electric lighter and in 6 seconds I get a big terpy face melter, every. single. hit! that tastes far better than any top tier flower burnt in paper, even that 1st hit that isn't ashed, IMHO
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after 2yrs of never refilling a lighter I cant even taste what flavor it is if its burning.
 
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BallzMcVinegar

BallzMcVinegar

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Instead of buying another dyna tip for a stem I have, I decided to roll the dice on the convector deal they are offering. I even took the plunge on a wand ( been putting that off for a year or so) since the sale price was hard to say no to. Now I need to find out the accessories (better batteries, Batt charger, stands, cases etc. ) for the wand. So I can dial in a portable setup.
 
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BallzMcVinegar

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Spent my first night trying to learn the convector Ti. Lots of whispy hits and I combusted twice but the last time I hit the sweet spot and it made me see stars. I have a few things to do today before I can get back to experimenting. I had a dual torch ( Torch-it AMP) that I never used but what is neat about it is the torch is the flames are slightly pointed toward each other so it makes it nice to heat the edge and face of the cap . Im getting better results than with the single flame I use with my dynas. I do like the cap changing colors from the heating of a torch.

I didnt use the factory stem only because I like stems that a little bit longer. I didnt have any trouble with the factory orings and condenser that some seem to have had.

Looking forward to trying a few other configurations like a Jhook/dry bubbler/bong and some other stems later today. Im not quite sure what i did right this last time to get such a dense hit and cant stop thinking about how to recreate it. I do have a wand arriving tomorrow but Id like to mess with a torch a little longer before relying on a wand or rubies quite yet.

So far its been an interesting devise. I took advantage of the "pick your price" offer and paid the same amount I did when I rolled the dice on my first dynavap and now I have like 10-12 of those. So if the convector ends up in rotation then the Convector XL might be a future purchase.
 
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coolbreeze

coolbreeze

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BallzMcVinegar said:
Spent my first night trying to learn the convector Ti. Lots of whispy hits and I combusted twice but the last time I hit the sweet spot and it made me see stars. I have a few things to do today before I can get back to experimenting. I had a dual torch ( Torch-it AMP) that I never used but what is neat about it is the torch is the flames are slightly pointed toward each other so it makes it nice to heat the edge and face of the cap . Im getting better results than with the single flame I use with my dynas. I do like the cap changing colors from the heating of a torch.

I didnt use the factory stem only because I like stems that a little bit longer. I didnt have any trouble with the factory orings and condenser that some seem to have had.

Looking forward to trying a few other configurations like a Jhook/dry bubbler/bong and some other stems later today. Im not quite sure what i did right this last time to get such a dense hit and cant stop thinking about how to recreate it. I do have a wand arriving tomorrow but Id like to mess with a torch a little longer before relying on a wand or rubies quite yet.

So far its been an interesting devise. I took advantage of the "pick your price" offer and paid the same amount I did when I rolled the dice on my first dynavap and now I have like 10-12 of those. So if the convector ends up in rotation then the Convector XL might be a future purchase.
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The Convector XL is definitely worth having (I think @budski raised the screen in his for smaller loads, fwiw). It's more forgiving so it's easier to use (but needs a slightly stronger torch), and it holds enough for a session, etc.

The smaller convectors take a bit of intuitive learning, but once you have it they're a lot of fun. I set a pocket torch to about .6" or so and aim sort of across the top of the cap on an angle, hitting the top of the sidewall too, until you begin to see orange. You can also aim straight down onto the top until you see some orange. Let it cool for a second or two and then take a few gentle cigar puffs to see where you are. You can add a little more heat if necessary, or let it cool if that's what's needed. It's a combo of heating it appropriately and using breath control to not scorch it and to get an even roast throughout the bowl. It's easier than it sounds, it's just getting a feel for it. Once you do, the roast is fairly even and the flavor's fantastic.
 
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BallzMcVinegar

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coolbreeze said:
The Convector XL is definitely worth having (I think @budski raised the screen in his for smaller loads, fwiw). It's more forgiving so it's easier to use (but needs a slightly stronger torch), and it holds enough for a session, etc.

The smaller convectors take a bit of intuitive learning, but once you have it they're a lot of fun. I set a pocket torch to about .6" or so and aim sort of across the top of the cap on an angle, hitting the top of the sidewall too, until you begin to see orange. You can also aim straight down onto the top until you see some orange. Let it cool for a second or two and then take a few gentle cigar puffs to see where you are. You can add a little more heat if necessary, or let it cool if that's what's needed. It's a combo of heating it appropriately and using breath control to not scorch it and to get an even roast throughout the bowl. It's easier than it sounds, it's just getting a feel for it. Once you do, the roast is fairly even and the flavor's fantastic.
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It totally gives me terp tongue when I do it right. Ive been using in low light so I can see the heating and adjust accordingly. Ill try the top down heating when I try it on my Jhook w/ dry ash catcher combo. I dont want to muddy the waters trying a bunch of different approaches and setups. Im just going to relax and take my time learning the standard torch and stem for a few days then I will slowly expand from there.

One question for you.

Is this similar to a dyna in that a torch will always provide a better extraction (when done right) than an induction heater or does the wand heat it well enough to match a torch? My wand will be here tomorrow but I dont want jump straight to that without learning how to actually use it manually.
 
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BallzMcVinegar said:
It totally gives me terp tongue when I do it right. Ive been using in low light so I can see the heating and adjust accordingly. Ill try the top down heating when I try it on my Jhook w/ dry ash catcher combo. I dont want to muddy the waters trying a bunch of different approaches and setups. Im just going to relax and take my time learning the standard torch and stem for a few days then I will slowly expand from there.

One question for you.

Is this similar to a dyna in that a torch will always provide a better extraction (when done right) than an induction heater or does the wand heat it well enough to match a torch? My wand will be here tomorrow but I dont want jump straight to that without learning how to actually use it manually.
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I can't answer that from experience, I've only torched them or used the Inductor. I do prefer the torch, to be honest. Both require a little technique and I'm just more used to torching it. What's nice about the Inductor though is that you can use it like a torch, heating only the top where the plates are to keep it convection leaning (or you can heat the sides & top to add conduction).

I think people do use the wand as their main heater for it. My question would be can you heat it with the wand so that you're still keeping it convection leaning? I assume that some folks prefer the hybrid heating you'd get with a deeper insertion but I wonder what technique you'd use to heat for convection.
 
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