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TigoleBitties said:
From what I just googled, it seems the LiPo batteries are safer than general li-ion
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It's really just what is done with the packaging and handling. They are all unsafe or safe as they are all lithium ion batteries.

It would be extremely difficult to puncture the battery in the TB given the metal housing around it. Probably more protected than many other batteries.
 
BabyFacedFinster

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I'm kind of surprised there hasn't been an issue with liquid and electricity being so close to each other. You have the charging port open and located directly underneath the cup. It wouldn't take much for some liquid to accidentally splash out of the cup when putting it on or removing it. You also need to make sure the underside of the cup is thoroughly dried after washing before reinserting it on top of the puck. Wouldn't think it would take many drops of water down the charging port to have an issue.

I have no real plans of ever using the cup.
 
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BabyFacedFinster said:
I'm kind of surprised there hasn't been an issue with liquid and electricity being so close to each other. You have the charging port open and located directly underneath the cup. It wouldn't take much for some liquid to accidentally splash out of the cup when putting it on or removing it. You also need to make sure the underside of the cup is thoroughly dried after washing before reinserting it on top of the puck. Wouldn't think it would take many drops of water down the charging port to have an issue.

I have no real plans of ever using the cup.
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Yeah, the cup is fun as a gimmick, but not great in practice. I used mine once, filled with cold water. The act of care needed to use the Bowle with a large amount of liquid in the cup negates any real benefit of having it there. I would rather have a water bottle next to me and be able to sit or recline back and use the device in different orientations other than straight up and down.
 
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Grass Yes said:
It would be extremely difficult to puncture the battery in the TB given the metal housing around it. Probably more protected than many other batteries.
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Like the article u linked says..

Lipos are more likely to swell then liion and swelling in a tight space makes a puncture a reasonable consideration

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Lipo is a sub category of lithium ion. So it is confusing. Here is a pretty reasonable read on it:

Lithium-ion VS Lithium Polymer

Unveil the best 5 benefits of lithium-ion vs. lithium-polymer batteries for efficient and eco-friendly power of batteries.
www.danenergy.com www.danenergy.com


Unfortunately it is a bit confusing. And you could be correct that there is no pouch, but one complication is that apple changed their marketing to stop using the words lithium polymer and start saying lithium ion because that is more accurate and covers all generations of iPhones.
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I see now. You are using the term liion as in all Kleenex are tissues but not all tissues are Kleenex

You are right my phone and headphones are Apple products but my HP laptop and cannon camera don’t say lipo either. Leads me to believe they are not? At this point I’m not sure
TigoleBitties said:
From what I just googled, it seems the LiPo batteries are safer than general li-ion

https://www.google.com/search?q=wha...iAYBkAYIkgcEMS4yNqAH06YB&sclient=gws-wiz-serp
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But aren’t they the same?

What a rabbit hole.

I’m not trying to get too deep into this topic.

I can google the same words in a different order and unfortunately get vastly different answers and articles

In addition to the higher discharge rate and swelling, I’m under the impression that lipo batts specifically are more sensitive to over discharging, temperatures and storage voltage to name a few vs other types of lithium batts. Making them easier to damage and more dangerous

That’s just what I gathered from the interwebs and past experiences.

I’m not an expert. Not trying to argue. Im more confused than when I started. Time to go vape weed about it

On the cup topic, I welcome the added protection. It’s borderline a case for the bowle and certainly adds durability
 
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nicknobody said:
But aren’t they the same?
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They aren't the same. The are all lithium ion, but some are in an aluminum pouch. That is to say another way, lipo batteries are a subset of lithium ion batteries.

A lot of lithium pouch batteries are in a hard case, but there is still a pouch there. This is very common in phones and laptops. The MacBook Air, for example. It is still a lithium ion battery, but it is also a lithium pouch.
 
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Grass Yes said:
They aren't the same. The are all lithium ion, but some are in an aluminum pouch. That is to say another way, lipo batteries are a subset of lithium ion batteries.

A lot of lithium pouch batteries are in a hard case, but there is still a pouch there. This is very common in phones and laptops. The MacBook Air, for example. It is still a lithium ion battery, but it is also a lithium pouch.
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Dood I know they aren’t the same. That’s my whole point. That part was was clearly sarcasm contradicting my whole post
 
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nicknobody said:
Dood I know they aren’t the same. That’s my whole point. That part was was clearly sarcasm contradicting my whole post
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Alright I don't think sarcasm is already to read ina text medium so I tend to take people at their word.
As you point out:
nicknobody said:
I'm not an expert. Not trying to argue. Im more confused than when I started.
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I happen to have built devices for electronics companies using lithium batteries for a chunk of my career and I've seen a lot of wild stuff. It doesn't make me say that lithium pouch batteries are unsuitable for consumer electronics.
 
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BabyFacedFinster said:
I'm kind of surprised there hasn't been an issue with liquid and electricity being so close to each other. You have the charging port open and located directly underneath the cup. It wouldn't take much for some liquid to accidentally splash out of the cup when putting it on or removing it. You also need to make sure the underside of the cup is thoroughly dried after washing before reinserting it on top of the puck. Wouldn't think it would take many drops of water down the charging port to have an issue.

I have no real plans of ever using the cup.
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I don't have one, but thought it looked cool and even a bit stealthy when Lee Tabletop Bong used the cup for candy.
 
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Every time I use this thing I find it remarkable how smooth and cool the vapor is, how much flavor it has, how good it is to have a cup of ice water right there. Two pots yesterday of Belushi’s Farm S.A.G.E., level 3. Clearheaded euphoric afternoon.
 
BabyFacedFinster

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My Bowle 2 arrived today. Very exciting!
I only ran 2 bowls through it so far, but I think I am going to be very happy with it. I have a lot more research to do but it's slow going because this thing got me Uber high on very little herb. I'll save my comments on use and function until I've run a bunch more sessions through it.

Some very initial thoughts:

I thought the base was going to be larger than it actually is. It's not pocketable, but smaller than I thought.
Both the stem and base have some weight to them. The stems are hefty and feel pretty solid. It's a sturdy device.
I like how the ceramic pots remain cool enough to pull them out with your fingers right after use. Very easy to load and unload.
Curious to see how durable the finish is going to be. It's also a bit rough to the touch.
The controls seem pretty intuitive and easy to use/understand.
Gotta love on-demand. I have a new personal rule. No more session-only vapes. Fucking Pivot.

More to come... :peace:
 
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TigoleBitties

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jbm said:
Every time I use this thing I find it remarkable how smooth and cool the vapor is, how much flavor it has, how good it is to have a cup of ice water right there.
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Agreed!

I should really try the cup as I've had it for a while now but damn, the Bowle is hard to ignore when I reach for a vape from my collection.

I think part of what makes it special, other than the obvious instant-on heater is the draw sensor. It's really quite a marvel now that I think of what must have gone into the control system and the sensors. It's very agile and brings the power even when you change your draw speed quickly.

I've gotten much better with my technique now and it's really a joy to use. You can reliably cash a bowl of any size without ever losing any flavor if you know what you're doing. Really great vape for flavor chasers and just a super all-around convection vape.
 
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What exactly does your technique consist of, and what advice would you give to get the most out of the TB 2?
 
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Axel_420 said:
What exactly does your technique consist of, and what advice would you give to get the most out of the TB 2?
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If I had to distill it down to a small set of things, it would be the following - which I believe holds true for most any pure convection vape
  • When I draw, I like to draw medium to slow speed and try and keep the rate constant. Most convection vapes like "low and slow" because that keeps the time the hot air is passing through the flower to a maximum = better extraction.
  • It's hard to maintain a really long slow draw so inject really quick (<1sec) pipe puffs in between to catch your breath and continue drawing. Not only does this maximize your draw time but the vapor swirling around your nose after a tiny pipe puff totally enhances taste and enjoyment. Smell and taste are very intertwined so max out your taste while lengthening your draw for great extraction. With 7-8 sec draws and a pipe puff in between draws, I can routinely hit the Bowle's timeout for draw length.
  • Airflow is everything so keep your screen pristine. Better airflow = better hits. Don't pack the bowls tightly or maybe even at all. A small tamp is fine. In between draws, I'll rotate the bowl 90deg just to better distribute the air in case there are biases in airflow direction.
And that's pretty much it! Lately I have two types of sessions. If I want a tasting session and I've got more time, I'll start on level 2 for a few draws and then finish the bowl at level 3.

A more ordinary and quicker session would be starting at level 4 for the first couple of draws and then finishing it off at level 3. I find stepping down a level in this case preserves flavor over the entire session as level 4 can be a bit roasty for me, especially with my long draws.
 
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I have definitely been overpacking my pots. The potter system drops super fluffy material into the pots and I have been tamping it down to add more. Need to try with a lot less tamping.
 
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Vaptic_Feedback said:
I have definitely been overpacking my pots. The potter system drops super fluffy material into the pots and I have been tamping it down to add more. Need to try with a lot less tamping.
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Yup. I'm pretty sure this will improve your experience. No tamp or minimal tamp with a fluffy medium grind creates nice air pathways throughout your flower and is ideal for a convection heater. Make sure your screens are clean and you're golden.
 
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Lower temps (1-3) = more terpy = less tamping tolerated

Higher temps (4-5) = less terpy = more tamping tolerated

I find that the Bowle doesn't much care about the fineness of the grind, except that courser tastes better no matter the temp.
 
BabyFacedFinster

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I've had some ups and downs with this new vape. When functioning properly, it delivers a very enjoyable session with lots of cool tasty vapor.

My unit has been playing games, and I'm scheduling its trip back to the service department. Half the time, when activated, the unit switches from green to blue on its own. This occurs at various time intervals and in both on-demand and session mode. There have also been 2 occasions where it has combusted the bowl, with both times occurring right after a premature shut off and restart. I'm talking burnt on top and a plume of smoke coming from the mouthpiece.

In both situations, the bowl was half packed and set on 2. I agree with the previous posts, that a convection unit prefers an open pack with little tamping to allow air to circulate through the packed herb. I usually only tamp enough to even out the top.

So anyway, as I've learned in the past, always have a good backup. And let's see how she runs after coming back from service. I will say that CS has been very responsive and supportive.
 
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BabyFacedFinster said:
I've had some ups and downs with this new vape. When functioning properly, it delivers a very enjoyable session with lots of cool tasty vapor.

My unit has been playing games, and I'm scheduling its trip back to the service department. Half the time, when activated, the unit switches from green to blue on its own. This occurs at various time intervals and in both on-demand and session mode. There have also been 2 occasions where it has combusted the bowl, with both times occurring right after a premature shut off and restart. I'm talking burnt on top and a plume of smoke coming from the mouthpiece.

In both situations, the bowl was half packed and set on 2. I agree with the previous posts, that a convection unit prefers an open pack with little tamping to allow air to circulate through the packed herb. I usually only tamp enough to even out the top.

So anyway, as I've learned in the past, always have a good backup. Tinymight to the rescue. And let's see how she runs after coming back from service. I will say that CS has been very responsive and supportive.
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Sorry for your experience, especially the combusting part...

It sounds like a failing temp sensor (seems to be one of the common mis-haps). I'm sure you'll get great service.

Truth be told, we've had 2 Series 1's and 2 Series 2's, every one has been back for repair at least once. We use them a lot, like many pots per day.
Through some trepidation, I've come to find good experience every time there's been a return, that's saying a lot for how hard they are trying. (I've written about all these rma's in this thread)

My approach to, and feelings about this company and device are still about it being a fledgling, still having some issues to work through. I know it's been some years now (covid didn't help!) but Tafee is still a very small company.

The product is great, I love it, and it has only improved over time. To date, I'm very happy to support the effort.
But I caution others, this is not an economy vape, by any means!
 
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