Discontinued Zion vaporizer

[peaceonearth]

 

[pakalolo]

This is exactly what im referring to. I bought a da vinci ascent for that exact reason it is the most accurate temperature controlled unit on the market. Although I realise it is prodominately a conduction rather than a convection heater. As mentioned earlier u can even cause combustion in this if used incorrectly.
Not adverse to the idea of a vaporizer that has a power control instead of a regulated temperature as long as we understand the difference. The confusion here has been caused by some of the beta users who clearly don't understand how to use an advanced vaporizer such as the zion.
I'll be happy to discuss the various positive features of this device once this distinction is understood by u r users. There still seems to be people here denying this fact and it is bordering on the ridiculous.
Can I just mention that the precise temperature control on the storz and bickel units are the reason they are considered the best vaporizers on the market although the zion units seem to be superior in almost every other aspect.


Being a carpenter to trade I can appreciate the wooden finish on this. And maple was certainly the correct wood to use. I assume if there's any flavour from it would only be a bonus.

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What is clear is that you still haven't read this thread so that you know what you are talking about. The entire beta team has been in a detailed discussion for months and I can assure you that they all understand the Zion much better than you do. If you had read the thread you would already know this. You keep trying to apply a semantic distinction to justify yourself, but the difference between a regulated temperature and a power control is not important here. As I've said, once the heater reaches vapourizing temperature it changes so slowly that further regulation is unnecessary and would only add complexity, expense, and a point of failure.

You're right that many consider the Ascent and S&B devices to be superior because they allow you to set a precise temperature. That doesn't mean that they are better, however, because that is a misconception born from a lack of understanding of how vapourizing cannabis actually works. No one can distinguish between settings that vary by a degree or even five degrees. The compounds are released over a range of temperatures, not at a precise point. The composition of what is being released does not vary significantly with small temperature changes, therefore precision in setting a temperature is a marketing feature, not a functional one.

 

[UnshavenFish]

If I've understood what I've read through this thread the Zion works in much the same way as lots of other convection vapes, much like the LSV or SSV, it has a dial that controls power (control power = control heat = temp control) it is possible to combust but this will only happen through user error (things like setting temp too high for draw speed amongst other already known variables)

Personally the RBT range seem right up my street, instant tasty vapour with enough raw power to match any draw speed I choose, and maybe even the power to contend with my butane vapes which is something I've yet to find with a battery powered unit, I have read of comparisons to the LSV and Daisy which have me very exited, just have to wait to get my hands on them now.

(Edited to be nice, been a rough day)

 

[VegNVape]

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Aaaaaaaanyway! I'm thinking King's Kush seems rather fitting for what is quite possibly, at least in my eyes, the new & currently reigning King of portable vaporizers!

With the Zion to kickstart my day I'm feeling like royalty! What say ye King John?

Deliciously satisfying, on-demand, pure convection vapor.

Ahhh, the breakfast of champions!

Now bring it on punks!


Ha! They can't even see me

 

[DieHard]

My herbs cannot tell the difference between temp control and power control. My lungs and throat know where to set the dial and when to let off the throttle.

 

[MrPeanut]

The time RBT has spent tuning the heater is one of the best parts of the vape. Vaporization begins at the low end of the power band and as you add x amount of power the temperature goes up. The size of the heater is tuned to not go near combustion if you can read and comprehend simple instructions that will accompany the device. Such as do not hold the fire button over the recommended time. If the concepts of x amount of power equals y amount of heat are difficult to comprehend I would not recommend this vape. This is 100% manual and minimalistic by design.

 

[redcon]

Have these started shipping? I see on the website they have a waiting list, but if I wanted to buy one of these am I likely looking at a month? Three months? Six months?

Also, is there more than one model RBT is designing? I thought I saw a couple of posts mentioning a different design but it's hard to keep up with all the different acronyms etc.

 

[virtualpurple]

This is exactly what im referring to. I bought a da vinci ascent for that exact reason it is the most accurate temperature controlled unit on the market. Although I realise it is prodominately a conduction rather than a convection heater. As mentioned earlier u can even cause combustion in this if used incorrectly.
Not adverse to the idea of a vaporizer that has a power control instead of a regulated temperature as long as we understand the difference. The confusion here has been caused by some of the beta users who clearly don't understand how to use an advanced vaporizer such as the zion.
I'll be happy to discuss the various positive features of this device once this distinction is understood by u r users. There still seems to be people here denying this fact and it is bordering on the ridiculous.
Can I just mention that the precise temperature control on the storz and bickel units are the reason they are considered the best vaporizers on the market although the zion units seem to be superior in almost every other aspect.


Being a carpenter to trade I can appreciate the wooden finish on this. And maple was certainly the correct wood to use. I assume if there's any flavour from it would only be a bonus.

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I gotta respectfully disagree with you. I think the beta testers know exactly how to use an advanced vaporizer...in fact, I think they've demonstrated that throughout the course of the thread (which I really feel would answer a lot of common questions). You are referring to the Ascent and the crafty/mighty as advanced vaporizers, and while at one time I thought digital temperature control to be the highest standard I will admit that I once was in the same camp. However, I believe that the Zion will be superior in terms of durability, vapor production, and ease of use.

I don't want to continue referring to other vapes in this thread out of respect to @RastaBuddhaTao as well as the other manufacturers (though I would be happy to continue this discussion via pm for more comparisons on high end vapes). However I will say that I expect that the Zion will have far less wasted vapor than the other vaporizers mentioned.

I have over time come to appreciate vaporizers that can be operated by intuition and control.

I can appreciate your perspective, but I really think that you're underselling the knowledge and importance of the beta team members. These guys were chosen for a reason, and their hard work and earnest feedback has really helped RBT to produce what will ultimately become a better product for us all.

You have mentioned several times that you're seeing early combustion. Please produce the videos where you are seeing that because all I've seen is dense vapor.

VP

 

[cybrguy]

Have these started shipping? I see on the website they have a waiting list, but if I wanted to buy one of these am I likely looking at a month? Three months? Six months?

Also, is there more than one model RBT is designing? I thought I saw a couple of posts mentioning a different design but it's hard to keep up with all the different acronyms etc.

Read the thread, Luke. All your questions will be answered by the force (of the cult).

 

[Shit Snacks]

This is exactly what im referring to. I bought a da vinci ascent for that exact reason it is the most accurate temperature controlled unit on the market. Although I realise it is prodominately a conduction rather than a convection heater. As mentioned earlier u can even cause combustion in this if used incorrectly.
Not adverse to the idea of a vaporizer that has a power control instead of a regulated temperature as long as we understand the difference. The confusion here has been caused by some of the beta users who clearly don't understand how to use an advanced vaporizer such as the zion.
I'll be happy to discuss the various positive features of this device once this distinction is understood by u r users. There still seems to be people here denying this fact and it is bordering on the ridiculous.

Denying what fact? How could you know how to use something you've never seen in person better than us who have been using it for months? You seem to be the denying the fact that we do know how to use it, no one here is claiming precise temp control, you seem to ignore how we don't compare it to a stotempbickel, we compare it to an LSV or Cloud Evo, pure convection desktops without precise temp control... This seems to be something you just refuse to acknowledge

Also, Ascent is far from the most accurate temp control... Was that a joke? If you draw hard an Ascent bowl at 360F it will cool down to 300F and the screen will still say 360, it can take 30sec to regain the temp, yet the display says nothing. The temp doesn't measure the herb in the bowl (a member in the Ascent thread stuck a thermometer in the bowl with herb to prove all this) so it is far from accurate. If you slow sip you can maintain it, glass spacers help too, but it is nearly pure conduction and that "precise" temp control is largely useless to me. The vape is still underpowered and a poor performer imo despite avoiding combustion easily, all glass and digital temps are nice, but its got so many flaws I don't miss mine at all personally. It's not even close to the same league as a pure convection on demand vape like this.

 

[redcon]

Read the thread, Luke. All your questions will be answered by the force (of the cult).

I love these people on forums. I ask three direct questions, he takes responds with "filter through 3,000 forum posts." Thanks.

edit: sorry, two questions

 

[ZC]

I don't see why it would really matter if combustion is "possible" or not with any given vape. It's up to the user to understand how to use their device, and by all accounts the Zion is easy to use and won't combust with normal use.

 

[DieHard]

Have these started shipping? I see on the website they have a waiting list, but if I wanted to buy one of these am I likely looking at a month? Three months? Six months?

Also, is there more than one model RBT is designing? I thought I saw a couple of posts mentioning a different design but it's hard to keep up with all the different acronyms etc.

?1 No.
?2 yes

 

[redcon]

Thank you

 

[lwien]

The confusion here has been caused by some of the beta users who clearly don't understand how to use an advanced vaporizer such as the zion.

I can't speak for the beta testers that were recruited outside of FC but I can definitely vouch for the long standing members here who are beta testers and can categorically state that they, more than likely, have a clearer understanding of how to use an advanced vaporizer better than just about anyone.

(Now why I wasn't picked to be a beta tester is beyond me being that I started this damn thread and intro'd the Zion to FC almost a year ago, but hey, my feelings aren't hurt. ......j/k.....Just like to get a few jabs in every once awhile. Helps to keep ma motor running. )

 

[VegNVape]

Have these started shipping? I see on the website they have a waiting list, but if I wanted to buy one of these am I likely looking at a month? Three months? Six months?

Also, is there more than one model RBT is designing? I thought I saw a couple of posts mentioning a different design but it's hard to keep up with all the different acronyms etc.

Hey

As you now already know, they are not shipping currently but things are buzzing along so we are all rather excited & are of course hoping to see some movement soon. But there is only one man (RBT) who can say just when that will be.

Get yourself on the list if you are truly interested, but I don't think that anyone can say with any certainty, how long you would be waiting.

Patience, positivity & respect for the process helps to make things so much easier imo. And if you really need a vape right now, then it's probably best to look elsewhere.

And yes there are other models of the Zion tech that are still in the relatively early stages of development. With only a couple of test models out in the wild. All energy has been put into the Zion itself recently, so expect to see more activity with those devices once Zion production is actually rolling. But if you look in 'Portable Vaporizers' & then the 'Upcoming and Unreleased' section of this forum, you will find them.

- Or you can check any of these links for easy access to some pretty interesting reading . . .

Unregulated Single Battery:
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/18mm-unregulated-single-18650-was-14-mm-18650.18829/

Dual Battery Powerhouse:
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/dual-18650-power-house.19045/

Manual 10mm GonG Concept Device:
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/18350-manual-10-mm-glass-concept.18811/



Oh & while I'm at it . . . . I would just like to remind everybody that the chance to win your very own Zion is still available over in the contest section of the forum. There is still plenty of time, so if you feel in the mood for some mystery object photo hunt action with the chance to win an early production Zion, including batteries & a charger, then head on over there . . . .

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/vnvs-rbt-zion-mystery-object-photo-hunt.19691/


HighOnZion.

Peace2All

 

[Copacetic]

OUTSTANDING post VnV
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[phattpiggie]

@lwien I think that between them they have probably used nearly every device on the market.

When it comes down to it everyone one on FC is a 'random stranger' who's opinions I can either agree or disagree with. I take on board all that they say but take it with a pinch of salt.
I have absolutely no doubts whatsoever that it works and works well. Fuk knows what the Dual Power is going to be like now!!! Lung busting resinous flavor full hits at the press of a button. Love that feeling and taste on your lips when you get those hits.
I have found a kindred spirit thru this thread. @HD Springer one of the Beta Team. Do I trust him implicitly? No, I would be a fool to he's just another avatar who lives a fuking long way away from me.
However having had conversations with him about things non vape related we have struck up a rapport. I value his opinion and his insights. He has been down to earth with me and I enjoy that. I have a respect for him. If he says it works I believe him.

I haven't entered the @VegNVape contest as I don't want a stir stick and stash pot. I don't think the warranty covers 'accidental' saw damage. Excellent by the way VNV makes you think. Looking forward to the winner receiving their well deserved Zion.
Long gone is the public house I could empty out my 'stuff' on the bar and not be ejected.

The others units have me torn. Which way to go. TOD, UregdSingle or the RegdSingle when it appears. Or perhaps a Triangular Zion, Regd TOD, maybe the flick of a switch would take the beast down to a harlot.
Lets hope once this thread gets moved when plenty of folk have little lumps on mapley goodness in their hands the doubters and naysayers will see for themselves.

I've posted so many things on the RBT threads some of it total shite and as it turns out some not so. @RastaBuddhaTao I did a little wee when you let us know you were trying something this 'random stranger' suggested. Still blown away if it's made a difference and helped get you another step closer to production.

I've also read every post on all the RBT threads and done a fuk of a lot more research so I know what I am getting into when I hand over my money.
I suggest others do the same instead of throwing out comments they cannot substantiate.

 

[VegNVape]

OUTSTANDING post VnV
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And yes, it is even more prevalent at this time of year that people actually do call me Jesus!

Sometimes people I do not even know, shouting it across the street!

Bless you @Copacetic, you really are too kind


PeaceEverytime.

 

[DopeShow]

You have mentioned several times that you're seeing early combustion. Please produce the videos where you are seeing that because all I've seen is dense vapor.

VP

I am aware this is a different model but it's the first and only result if I search 'zion vaporizer' on youtube.

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I appreciate all u r lengthy response on the accuracy of precise temperature controls available on various vaporizers and indeed the fluctuation BP of the compounds in weed. Rest assured I know how to extract the goodness from my herb without charring it.

Don't make me point out the various other 'suspect' vids iv seen of testers using the latest model of this device. Only know that it's not good advertisement.

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[phattpiggie]

AND ITS VAPORIZING THE LOAD NO COMBUSTION

Then why do you question every video as if the fuker ignited. I am not getting your point.
Post a video of yourself blowing some clouds and let us all compare.

 

[IAmKrazy2]

You have mentioned several times that you're seeing early combustion. Please produce the videos where you are seeing that because all I've seen is dense vapor.

VP

I am aware this is a different model but it's the first and only result if I search 'zion vaporizer' on youtube.

[/QUOTE]

Yup that is my video. As I keep saying, i know what combustion is. There is NO combustion in the video.

DopeShow this isn't even super high temp vapor. I was taking it easy. You must not have experience with any popular desktop convection vapes or you could distinguish the difference in color of vapor vs. smoke. There is milk videos from a ton of companies products out there like mine ala LSV, Evo, Herbalizer, SSV, VHW, and many others.

Want to know how i know? I was there and made the video, have been a forum member here for more than 6 years, and know exactly what combustion tastes like but you continue to insist there is combustion in the video?

As stated previously several times to anyone reading this, feel free to believe the person who was there, made the video, used the device, and has been a forum member for longer than 6 years. Or feel free to believe the person who wasn't there, has never used the device, and has been a forum member for less than two months. Your choice.

 

[Shit Snacks]

You have mentioned several times that you're seeing early combustion. Please produce the videos where you are seeing that because all I've seen is dense vapor.

VP

I am aware this is a different model but it's the first and only result if I search 'zion vaporizer' on youtube.

[PM content removed]

I appreciate all u r lengthy response on the accuracy of precise temperature controls available on various vaporizers and indeed the fluctuation BP of the compounds in weed. Rest assured I know how to extract the goodness from my herb without charring it.

Don't make me point out the various other 'suspect' vids iv seen of testers using the latest model of this device. Only know that it's not good advertisement.

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Again, you repeat yourself some more and continue to show your total ignorance here... Soooo I guess that's what you've been trying to do this whole time? Success!

This may violate the be nice rule, but it feels like youre seriously violating the no troll rule man. I've tried giving you the benefit of the doubt, tried explaining wih examples and such, yet you don't seem to want to learn. You seem to want nothing more than to repeat yourself for no reason, and make false claims

 

[DopeShow]

AND ITS VAPORIZING THE LOAD NO COMBUSTION

Then why do you question every video as if the fuker ignited. I am not getting your point.
Post a video of yourself blowing some clouds and let us all compare

.

Sit in a freezer if u wanna BLOW CLOUDS

 

[phattpiggie]

Oh dear here we go again thought we'd left this kind of thing in the 05 thread.
Harmonise everybody and if you don't know the song just hum.