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Radwin Bodnic

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I'm old enough to have seen genocide and recognize it.
Yet you refute the one happening in Gaza. This is your opinion, and facts differs from your opinion.

that will be my last message to you. I engaged, that's my fault.

You're not able to see capitalism is ruining our world. I absolutely don't need to provide references or data for that, it's all around us.
You're not able to recognize genocide, and I don't need to show reference for that either since it's clear as day and documented and condemned by international instances. You don't trust them because you only trust your propaganda. Just the same as Wikipedia you don't trust it (although you admit 80% of truth in one of your pasts comments, which is approximately 80% more than Fox News), because you prefer your usual propaganda.

Your views are obviously not objective. And you obviously don't care for future generations, otherwise you'll try to change a system that is making earth inhabitable too quickly for us to adapt.

If you consider the meadows report (the limits of growth) to be fake news then I'm sorry for you. You've lost your discernment abilities.

I pretty sure you won't ever read him but Murray Bookchin has documented since the 60's the harm that capitalism was doing to our environment and the risk of ecological disaster. He is the philosopher that had the most influence on me and I've read a bunch. And he's Jewish btw if you need some kind of motivation.

There is only one word that comes to my mind when interacting with you : obscurantism.
 
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I'd be interested to know if the settler-terrorist murderers are American dual citizens.

They're probably using US-supplied arms handed down from Cousin Bibi & friends in IDF, so in the end... use your own judgment on that one. 🤷‍♂️

If the recovered brass is mostly 5.56 NATO spec, well, then....
 
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Flotsam

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Personally i think getting rid of Netanyahu would be one of the best things Israel could do . He is hanging on just like our country's Orange SHiTstain

here is a world wide survey about Israel . have no clue about Nigeria here
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Flotsam,
Okay, maybe. Here goes. Do you remember the TV show Sky King? Don't google it. Either your familiar with it or your not. Trivia questions about the show: What was the name of the plane? What was his niece's name? Interesting that I can remember this not not what I had for breakfast !!
Yeah, I'm old !

What, I have to prove my relevance to your own age to be considered a knowledgeable source? It's called 'lived experience', and Ive seen it.

To answer your ? re: Sky King... I know that it existed, but that's it. Which means I'm clueless about the trivia questions. But even if I did know them, I wouldn't answer. Why? Because 'trivia' (although I'm actually pretty good with it) is not the qualification for critical thinking. Only for stowing away snippets of history, not providing analysis of said record, which in some cases won't be proven correct for decades out (causation / effect).

Please do not reduce discussions like this to trivia competitions. In this discussion, it's not relevant. I'll sate your appetite just a tiny bit, though (and this is a bit unusual for me, as I'm extremely private, in the specific).

I was born in late '64, shortly before LBJ won in a sympathy landslide. Now that is a man worth reading about, and if you have a LOT of time, Robert J Caro has three definitive volumes on him. (best of them being the second, 'Master Of The Senate'.)
 

Flotsam

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Here you go again. Unsubstantiated claims. Please provide data. Tens of trillions, huh. Around the the globe? Could you be more specific? How exactly did the capitalists accomplish this feat. Did they do it on their own or with the assistance of our government?

These are fair questions. Is it possible for you to reply with facts and without your condescending attitude. Look if you do not have the data and this is only your opinion, that's fine. This your entitled to it. My opinion is that vanilla ice cream is the best. I am unable to prove this. It's my opinion. You do a disservice to the thread and to yourself with your outrageous claims. At the end of the day perhaps your correct. Strengthen your claim by giving us something tangible to look at.

Also, for full disclosure, Moose Tracks ice cream is the best !!

Bodnic said:
Yeah, now tell me capitalism cares about the poor

I can't. I'll tell you why I can't. Capitalism is a construct. It is not human. Now, take a look at individual capitalists (humans not ideas). You'll find that the amount they contribute to all sorts charitable organizations (including ones that aid the poor) is quite revealing. The National Philanthropic Trust states that Americans gave $557 billion (billions - not thousands, not millions) in charitable giving. I've presented data. Now kindly present yours providing credence to your claim. Then we can actually have an educated discussion. Thanks.

Flotsam said:
this question is very poorly worded and is impossible to answer. The United States has Social Security which many on the right consider Socialism, so aren't we a socialist country? Or what about European socialism eg. Norway ?

Apparently, even poorly worded, you understood it !! I've reread my post and found it to be perfectly clear. Does anyone else have trouble understanding it? Let's talk about it. I have previously stated will state again. We do have some aspects of socialism. As you mentioned Social Security is one. Although one might argue that the money spent by social security came directly from people like you and me and our employers. Its available because we paid for it. It's tax that I wholeheartedly agree with. With respect to Norway (beautiful country) and the other Nordic countries their policies have been very successful. I said this many times. They have not embraced full socialism nor the sharing of the wealth in a manner that many here subscribe to. My belief is we should continue with capitalism but make changes so that it becomes better. Elimination of capitalism in it's entirety and replacing it with socialism will doom this county .
Please provide the name of 1 (just 1) country that is fully socialistic and forces the wealthy to share their profits that has been successful. I hope this is worded in a fashion that you are able to understand. I apologize if you didn't understand my post. Keep in mind you appear to be the only one who had this issue.

Bakin4life said:
One of these days, I'm going to read a scholarly account of 'Israel' (the people, not the artificially created state by UK / others). And it won't be the Torah.

If you find one kindly let me know. I would also like to read it.
you seem to mention this in many of your posts, but seriously what is considered Total Socialism in Bazinga world? You keep asking about successful Socialist countries, but in your perspective what is Total?

I would contend that if you are a businessman, but i friend of Rapist in Chief and gave him a lot of Money then the resultant product is also a form of Socialism. This is that redistribution of wealth that you were looking for! Poor people lose their healthcare and the money goes to his Billionaires! The exclusion is none of the rest of US get to participate in any of the benefits , its only for him and his cronies. Thus is the premise Fascism relies on. When he was trying to get those last votes through the House he would say it was all for MAGA! Everyone else get screwed.

Case in point Tik-Tok . Last term trump wanted Tik-Tok BANNED because of its ties to China and how it could be used to indoctrinate Americans (much like your red hat cult). Now the Donald has gotten PAID and all of a sudden ........... Not so bad, they can stick around and this strict time table is ignored. All because he is personally benefitting.
 
Flotsam,
Wait.... @Flotsam ... is that just a flip accusation, or are we really actually wasting breath on an actual magat / gop $ person?

If the second... I'm gonna be beyond pissed that we all wasted the last week or so with this one.


ignore; sorry. Didn't read carefully.
 
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vapviking

Old & In the Way
There is only one word that comes to my mind when interacting with you : obscurantism.
Terrific word! (Or, maybe Obscuratarianism? ;))
And the resolution to NOT play ping pong with Bazinga is logical, sensible and admirable.
My response has been to recently employ the Ignore button.

Further comment from me on this might be considered 'not nice', so I'll refrain.
 
Terrific word! (Or, maybe Obscuratarianism? ;))
And the resolution to NOT play ping pong with Bazinga is logical, sensible and admirable.
My response has been to recently employ the Ignore button.

Further comment from me on this might be considered 'not nice', so I'll refrain.
I looked this up, too! And was just as pleasantly surprised. 👍

Vocabulary. Real writing ability.
We might be dismissed as a 'board of stoners' by Joe / Jane Public, but we could give the think tanks, etc., a run for their money.

I wasn't gonna mention this, but when Vapviking did, I had to start the dogpile. 🏈
 
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florduh

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Something "Socialism is Scary" guys like to say is, "burger flippers are low skilled workers". People who say that dumb shit don't understand: Fast Food work isn't hard because operating a fryer is difficult. Their job is hard because they have to do that... while not reaching over the counter and murdering the customers.

I love hearing this dumb shit from people who haven't worked a customer service job in 30+ years. YOU people are the reason these jobs are difficult! YOU are the most annoying, entitled babies to ever exist on this planet! YOU people love to cry and piss your pants when your fried treats aren't made just the way you like them!

Also, Fast Food Workers provide sustenance to their fellow humans. In many cases, fellow workers who are only given 30 minutes for lunch by their asshole boss. This is an honorable profession. If you believe these people don't deserve to live a dignified life, you're a piece of shit!

I'll go even further.... Fast Food Workers provide much more benefit to society than say... a consultant at McKinsey and Co. Those people, at best, provide ZERO value to society :shrug:
 
while not reaching over the counter and murdering the customers.
When I was younger, this WOULD have happened, had I been behind a counter. Might still happen today. While I'm a paradigm of reservedness and sensibility here (ha!), I have some very real anger issues with entitled people. I'd be dead or in jail, for sure.
In many cases, fellow workers who are only given 30 minutes for lunch by their asshole boss.
I've yet to see the ones who get more (that aren't assistant mgrs or such). Don't forget the "keep 'em under 30hrs, so we don't have to offer bennies" policies, as well. Pushing their company-supported healthcare ('just the way we 'muricans like it', remember?) onto the public exchanges, where we also subsidize the cost for them, at taxpayer expense.
I'll go even further.... Fast Food Workers provide much more benefit to society than say... a consultant at McKinsey and Co. Those people, at best, provide ZERO value to society :shrug:
Since you mentioned them specifically... thoughts on Buttigieg? I suspect he's gonna be a bit corporate for you, but he's articulate as hell, and knows the score. Whether he'll do much to *even* the score is anyone's guess. If he even could, at this point.
 

florduh

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I'd be dead or in jail, for sure.

Well, not jail if I had it my way. I want to take "qualified immunity" away from cops and give it to customer service workers. I want to see, "Annoying Customer Dies in Cashier Involved Shooting" headlines every day.

That's how you get a more polite society:shrug:

thoughts on Buttigieg? I suspect he's gonna be a bit corporate for you, but he's articulate as hell

I think he should get his own show on MSNBC. The only nice part about Trump being elected to a second term: I'm never being guilted into voting for one of those scumbags again.

 
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Bazinga

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Yet you refute the one happening in Gaza. This is your opinion, and facts differs from your opinion.
Lets be clear. The are many sources that say that Israel is committing genocide. There are many sources that say that by definition Israel is not participating as such. I really don't care about who is right or wrong with the semantics. What is happening in Gaza (and I've said this before) is horrifying and needs to stop immediately. I have no problem stating emphatically that the mass killings, property destruction, starvation, etc. must end now. I have also stated before, I wished the Gazans would have accepted a 2 state solution when it was offered. Call it a genocide, I don't care. I just want those countries to be able to live alongside each other in peace. Do you have any thoughts on a solution? Or do wish to complain. Or would you rather continue to criticize every thing I post. I am sure you feel the same way I do about the situation. I'm just don't care about the semantics. The purpose of discussion, for me, is to be factual and share ideas. Maybe, just maybe, we can arrive at workable solution.

Help me out here. You posted "Yet you refute the one happening in Gaza." I don't remember posting this. Not saying I didn't. I honestly don't remember (admitted I was old). If I did, I wonder what the context was. You made this claim so show me, please.
that will be my last message to you. I engaged, that's my fault.
Another one who is going to take their ball and go home. It would be wonderful if you could maintain a discussion that is thoughtful, helpful, and lends to enabling all of this to see different sides of the issues.
You're not able to see capitalism is ruining our world. I absolutely don't need to provide references or data for that, it's all around us.
You're not able to recognize genocide, and I don't need to show reference for that either since it's clear as day and documented and condemned by international instances. You don't trust them because you only trust your propaganda. Just the same as Wikipedia you don't trust it (although you admit 80% of truth in one of your pasts comments, which is approximately 80% more than Fox News), because you prefer your usual propaganda.
"You're not able to see capitalism is ruining our world." You're correct, I don't. Here's a novel idea for you. Instead of making false claims teach us how you arrived at your statements.

"You don't trust them because you only trust your propaganda." What a propaganda do I support? What is my usual propaganda? More baseless claims.

Your assumptions about me are so unfounded they approach sheer recklessness. I have stated that it has been reported that Wikipedia is about 80% reliable. I didn't conclude this I simply I reported what has been posted elsewhere. Here again facts evade you. I still utilize Wikipedia but I view the information with a grain of salt.

Your views are obviously not objective. And you obviously don't care for future generations, otherwise you'll try to change a system that is making earth inhabitable too quickly for us to adapt.

If you consider the meadows report (the limits of growth) to be fake news then I'm sorry for you. You've lost your discernment abilities.

I pretty sure you won't ever read him but Murray Bookchin has documented since the 60's the harm that capitalism was doing to our environment and the risk of ecological disaster. He is the philosopher that had the most influence on me and I've read a bunch. And he's Jewish btw if you need some kind of motivation.

There is only one word that comes to my mind when interacting with you : obscurantism.
"Your views are obviously not objective. " Wrong. I've asked for discussion so that we can all benefit. More unfounded claims.

"And you obviously don't care for future generations, otherwise you'll try to change a system that is making earth inhabitable too quickly for us to adapt." Are you out of your mind? You say I don't care about future generations. Why do you say that.? How do you know that? You don't. I also live on this planet and care about the current and future habitation. Moreover, I have children and have been blessed with 5 grandchildren. And, my wife an I drive fully electric vehicles. Another example that you have no idea what you are saying.

"pretty sure you won't ever read him but Murray Bookchin." No I haven't read his book. I'll take a look. You're pretty sure I won't read it. How do you know this? My guess, and I could certainly be wrong, that I've read at least as many books if not more than you. This is not a criticism nor a challenge. It's just a rebuttal to your poorly throughout comments. And I guess we should accept Bookchin's book as the only truth. Don't bother reading any dissenting authors. Right? I couldn't agree with you more when you say in essence that our environment and ecological systems face possible ecological disasters. Citing that capitalism is the only reason this is happening is short sighted.

"And he's Jewish btw if you need some kind of motivation." What on are earth does that mean? I've read Martin Luther King's book. Last I looked he wasn't Jewish. Yet another outrageous statement. Kindly explain yourself. You won't.

"There is only one word that comes to my mind when interacting with you : obscurantism." The word is defined as: the practice of deliberately preventing the facts or full details of something from becoming known. More BS from you. I have not deliberately or non-deliberately prevented facts or full details of something from becoming known. I have repeatedly asked for facts, I've provided facts and encouraged people here to do the same. You form conclusions without without any basis. Here's the facts - just look at the accusations you've made in this post about me.

Lastly, I enjoy and appreciate some of your posts. And I really appreciate that you post without profanity. Now feel to run and hide. Or, if you would simply take the time to read what you about to post prior to pushing the post reply button I think that would enable you to post with more intelligence and authority. Try it. If you can do that I look forward to further discussions.

And when I'm wrong I apologize immediately. I'm not afraid to be wrong. We're human. Lets see what kind of man you are. You've made outrageous claims that are simply not true. Be an adult and apologize where you made claims that I never said nor alluded to. You won't.
 
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mephisto

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Wow, it is quite humid around this thread these days. I enjoy watching from the sidelines and I learn more and more each day. I am not sure how to apply the things I am learning. I will say that it is much more entertaining/enlightening than the box on the wall.
All of that being said, a shot of Spicy Pickle is fantastic in a bloody Mary, or even better in a Red-eye.
Bottoms Up!
 

florduh

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Me, watching Superman say "Fuck Israel, Free Palestine" for 2 straight hours.

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Do you have any thoughts on a solution?

The solution is giving every single person living within the borders of Israel full and equal rights under the law, regardless of their ethnicity or religion. Duh.
 
florduh,
That pic of Hamm... like many TV shows, I get in on them after they've already run their course.

When I saw the end of the very first ep of 'Mad Men', I said out loud... "I'm gonna love this show" And I've watched it twice (something I almost never do, especially with six whole seasons). G*d, I loved that '63 DeVille he drove.

There were some issues I saw (continuity and otherwise), especially in the last season. But on average, it won for me on two factors--period piece, plus I fucking lived (some of) it.

Oh, and as for 'not using profanity in posts', as some <deleted> other poster whined about.
WHAT'S THE NAME OF THIS FUCKING SITE? It ain't 'letsnotcombust'...
 
Mister Rodney (said with respect)...
I know you're a religious person, and I respect that you are (IOW, I bear no ill will against you).
To illustrate a point... Would you be offended if I stated that I, myself, felt that religion was a construct?

Please answer honestly (short 'yes / no' is more than fine), and thank you for taking the time to do so.

One of two people (not you or Florduh) is going to learn a lesson today.
(on edit: I just now realized you were responding to his post. Oh, well... ) D'oh...
 
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Bakin4Life,
I have become convinced that my new anti-depressants are kicking in.

Besides posting like a fucking fiend the last few days, my 'earworms' are starting to turn into parody songs
(I'm Weird Al, without the Al)

I need a new plug,
One that won't get me sick
One that has all of my drugs
And get 'em to me, real real quick
 
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